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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2013 11:00:32 GMT 1
Dont want to say "i told you so" but.... Poor at defending, does not look up and his speed is only off the mark. 10 metres later and he is done. £5 million valuation by SG. Tells you all you need to know about Graysons knowledge of football. Care to look at this again oti? 10 Metres you say. 4 minutes 10 seconds in.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Apr 7, 2013 11:23:31 GMT 1
He was not even running, that was not pace, that was three missed tackles!
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Apr 7, 2013 11:39:16 GMT 1
Been waching Town since 1967 and I believe him to be the worst player we have ever signed on a pound for pound basis and God have we signed some crap for decent money especially under the Turnip. When you look at what other clubs got for less money Palace must be laughing. We would be lucky to off load him for 30 bob and a scotch egg now. 1 goal, 1 assist for all that money speaks volumes. what about that bastard George Donis??? George Donis is a bit of a myth really. He came on a free transfer and had a contract worth 1m. Assuming that was over 3 years that amounts to around 6.5k per week. Peanuts compared to most of our recent signings. Certainly Ward and Scannell will have cost far more in wages and transfer fees.
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Post by terrier1987cas on Apr 7, 2013 12:53:02 GMT 1
The only player who actually tried to beat a man yesterday, had their full back tied up in knots a few times in the first half. Also offered an outlet and importantly ran the ball out of our half a few times to win a throw-in and slow the game down a bit. Didn't he also have a really good effort well saved that could have won us the game? Our best attacking player by a mile in the last 2 games IMO, we've looked much more dangerous since bringing him back into the team.
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Post by yorkie1 on Apr 7, 2013 13:17:47 GMT 1
Its not based on last two games surely. On a seasons stats so far, Scannell has been all round poor and when we have to resort to winning throw ins and having a shot that sounds like scrapping the barrell. He loses interest and does not fight fot the team. Based on Donis info provided this guy takes some beating as our worst signing ever - pound for pound and I've seen some proper dross in my time. As for the goal at Leicester, lets be honest, it was no supergoal and his skill level was poor.
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Post by terrier1987cas on Apr 7, 2013 13:24:38 GMT 1
Its not based on last two games surely. On a seasons stats so far, Scannell has been all round poor and when we have to resort to winning throw ins and having a shot that sounds like scrapping the barrell. He loses interest and does not fight fot the team. Based on Donis info provided this guy takes some beating as our worst signing ever - pound for pound and I've seen some proper dross in my time. As for the goal at Leicester, lets be honest, it was no supergoal and his skill level was poor. I'm saying who else do we have in our current squad who scares defenders like Scannell? He's had some nightmares this season and has looked a waste at times, but I don't think that can be said for him the last 2 games. He had Bolton's full-back on toast and was again our most dangerous player when we gave him the ball in space yesterday. I'm not saying he's been our player of the season, I'm saying if we have any hope of staying up Scannell has to be starting every match.
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Post by yorkie1 on Apr 7, 2013 13:33:50 GMT 1
You could be right about the last two games but the fact would remain that he still created nothing aside from a throw in and a shot. As for the Bolton defender it still did us no good. He has had lots of chances this season and based on what he has produced as a winger (1 goal, 1 assist) and his earnings I would put anyone in the side before him as his stats says he still won't create anything or do anything else to help the team. He's had his chance. Can we really afford to pick him just on the off chance he might do something?
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Post by wigster on Apr 7, 2013 13:46:07 GMT 1
I was at Bolton as well T1987 and both Scannell and Ward had a lot of possession but absolutely nothing came of it. This was admittedly partly due to the fact that we never attack in numbers (did you see Peterboro yesterday) but more to the fact that their final ball/pass/shot was very very poor. Yesterday Scannell started off as though he was going to murder their defender in the first 10 minutes but there wasn't ONE effective pass/shot/cross as a result. He then faded/lost interest/wasn't fit enough - I don't know which. We're surely at that time of the season when we can't afford passengers. The problem is - who do we play instead, and I must admit I can't think of anyone !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2013 15:00:58 GMT 1
Dont want to say "i told you so" but.... Poor at defending, does not look up and his speed is only off the mark. 10 metres later and he is done. £5 million valuation by SG. Tells you all you need to know about Graysons knowledge of football. Care to look at this again oti? 10 Metres you say. 4 minutes 10 seconds in. Looks like a 5 to 10 metre sprint and then a slow jog towards goals whilst defenders make a mess up around him to me!? Sean Scannell is NOT fast...he's one of those that hugs the ground as they run, means he's stable and relatively difficult to knock off the ball (especially as he seems to be able to run with the ball reasonably close), but he's never going to be a player with outright blistering pace as he simply doesn't get pumping.
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Post by ritchie on Apr 7, 2013 15:47:03 GMT 1
the fact we dont play him centrally is madness
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2013 16:14:29 GMT 1
He was not even running, that was not pace, that was three missed tackles! He was not even running?
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Apr 7, 2013 18:43:49 GMT 1
the fact we dont play him centrally is madness If we had some proper wingers we might be able to!
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Post by cheesyhtfc on Apr 7, 2013 18:53:23 GMT 1
He isn't fast over a long distance but has enough pace to make himself space to do something with it. The problem is that he's played most of the season on the left hand side. He will often beat the full back, make himself space and then have to turn back in order to get a cross in. By that point, he usually has two men on him stopping the cross so he has to play it short. Ward is similar and although he is more comfortable crossing with his weaker foot, I don't think he likes to. I don't really understand this desire to play wingers on their 'wrong' side - means they have to cut inside all the time which means they can't use their acceleration to best effect because they're running into the most congested area of the pitch. Vaughan is a great header of the ball; we should be whipping in early crosses left right and centre.
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Post by impact on Apr 7, 2013 18:57:38 GMT 1
He can make us look more threatening all he wants, the fact is he very rarely sets anything up or scores!
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Post by ritchie on Apr 7, 2013 19:03:02 GMT 1
the fact we dont play him centrally is madness If we had some proper wingers we might be able to! our lack of proper wingers is why we should play him centrally, as his ineffectiveness out wide is contributing to us being poor on the wing. no point trying to add width by playing players out wide if they are poor out wide (see danns and clayton also) as its just a waste of a player/position we should play narrow, with scannell cutting teams through in the middle. let the fullbacks provide width if they can and use the narrow midfield to protect the defence. width was great for us when we had pilks and roberts out wide switching flanks and rhodes scoring bags of headers from their crossing. our forwards now dont score many headers. they are better (beckford especially) feeding from through balls on the deck. scannell running at defenders from out wide is easy enough for them as they just force him out wide and know he wont be able to do anything with it. having him run at defenders down the middle would scare them shitless. then all he has to do is slot it through the defence and hope beckford/vaughan will get on the end of it
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2013 19:16:44 GMT 1
If we had some proper wingers we might be able to! our lack of proper wingers is why we should play him centrally, as his ineffectiveness out wide is contributing to us being poor on the wing. no point trying to add width by playing players out wide if they are poor out wide (see danns and clayton also) as its just a waste of a player/position we should play narrow, with scannell cutting teams through in the middle. let the fullbacks provide width if they can and use the narrow midfield to protect the defence. width was great for us when we had pilks and roberts out wide switching flanks and rhodes scoring bags of headers from their crossing. our forwards now dont score many headers. they are better (beckford especially) feeding from through balls on the deck. scannell running at defenders from out wide is easy enough for them as they just force him out wide and know he wont be able to do anything with it. having him run at defenders down the middle would scare them shitless. then all he has to do is slot it through the defence and hope beckford/vaughan will get on the end of it Spot on pal, it's absolutely pointless playing with wingers/wide midfielders when you don't even have any. With the players we currently have the best formation we could possibly play is 4-3-1-2. Clayton, Danns and Gobern as three central midfielders, Scannell sat in front of the midfield three linking up with the two strikers, simples.
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Post by Giggity on Apr 7, 2013 21:18:14 GMT 1
Scannell and Dixon were the only players who attempted to get at the Peterborough defence yesterday. It doesn't help that he has very limited support when attacking. Admittedly, Scannell does occasionally suffer from tunnel vision however any criticism of his endeavours is marked by a lack of intelligence.
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Post by Giggity on Apr 7, 2013 21:18:26 GMT 1
Scannell and Dixon were the only players who attempted to get at the Peterborough defence yesterday. It doesn't help that he has very limited support when attacking. Admittedly, Scannell does occasionally suffer from tunnel vision however any criticism of his endeavours is marked by a lack of intelligence.
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Apr 8, 2013 10:28:48 GMT 1
Scannell and Dixon were the only players who attempted to get at the Peterborough defence yesterday. It doesn't help that he has very limited support when attacking. Admittedly, Scannell does occasionally suffer from tunnel vision however any criticism of his endeavours is marked by a lack of intelligence. And this is your idea of debate on a forum? That anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot? I'd turn your Scannel comment around and say in fairness to him he occasionally notices his other team mates. Still I'd have him in ahead of Ward but only because of the shear lack of credible alternatives.
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Post by Giggity on Apr 8, 2013 16:56:42 GMT 1
Scannell and Dixon were the only players who attempted to get at the Peterborough defence yesterday. It doesn't help that he has very limited support when attacking. Admittedly, Scannell does occasionally suffer from tunnel vision however any criticism of his endeavours is marked by a lack of intelligence. And this is your idea of debate on a forum? That anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot? I'd turn your Scannel comment around and say in fairness to him he occasionally notices his other team mates. Still I'd have him in ahead of Ward but only because of the shear lack of credible alternatives. Strange comment. I have laid down no rules on how a forum should be administered nor have I attempted to suppress opinion. We are massively devoid of creativity and drive yet fans are bemoaning Scannell's contribution. At least he attempted to get at them. This is my biggest gripe. The lack of alternatives has curtailed our season.
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Post by yorkie1 on Apr 8, 2013 18:16:52 GMT 1
He may have tried but he failed......again. He deserves no more chances this season. We cannot gamble with him on the off chance that his efforts might produce something. As for the intelligence comment I will ignore that
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Apr 9, 2013 6:55:28 GMT 1
And this is your idea of debate on a forum? That anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot? I'd turn your Scannel comment around and say in fairness to him he occasionally notices his other team mates. Still I'd have him in ahead of Ward but only because of the shear lack of credible alternatives. Strange comment. I have laid down no rules on how a forum should be administered nor have I attempted to suppress opinion. We are massively devoid of creativity and drive yet fans are bemoaning Scannell's contribution. At least he attempted to get at them. This is my biggest gripe. The lack of alternatives has curtailed our season. Your own words.... "any criticism of his endeavours is marked by a lack of intelligence" It's pretty clear that you think anyone who has a different opinion to you is an idiot or lacks in intelligence. It's also equally clear that opinion is divided on Scannell on here and with intelligent people on both sides of the fence.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2013 17:37:16 GMT 1
Totally flatters to deceive. I think this season he has scored one goal and had ONE assist, and today was a perfect example of why he is getting reputedly a lot of money for absolutely nothing. Started off as he often does looking like a world beater (although there was NO end product) and then faded until he was more or less invisible for the second half. In a game that was crucial I cannot remember one cross, shot or worthwhile pass that caused any problems to the opposition and this has unfortunately been typical of his season - I'm only just getting over my frustration at his Bolton performance. When we signed him the Palace fans warned us that he doesn't actually DO anything, and they were apparently right. I used to think that the Brandons and Hollands were masters of the no end product but young Sean runs them close. Still, at least he's agreed to try and get fit - I think. Totally agree.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2013 17:50:46 GMT 1
Played well today.
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 13, 2013 17:56:34 GMT 1
He deserves no more chances this season. We cannot gamble with him on the off chance that his efforts might produce something. Thankfully, Mark Robins disagreed.
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Post by swam4mwg on Apr 13, 2013 18:22:07 GMT 1
Well he '' deceived'' a few Wolves players today with his goal. You tend to find players like Scannell are often inconsistent, but they can be big players on their day. I noticed a lot of people on DATM had similar views to Hammill when he was here. I like to see players with a bit of skill and flair.
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Post by kennyk2 on Apr 13, 2013 18:29:25 GMT 1
I'm going to kick the arse out of this one! See also "Taxi for Beckford" thread.
Some posters on this thread may be eating this for tea tonight. Can anyone guess the recipe?
1 kg entrails of deer, including heart, lungs, kidneys, liver, intestines and stomach, washed, if you can find it 1/4cup (125 mL) table salt 1/2 kg Beef suet 10 cloves 1 tsp (5 mL) mace 1 tsp (5 mL) nutmeg 1 tsp (5 mL) cinnamon Pinch salt 1 1/2 cups (375 mL) currants 1cup (250 mL) candied orange and lemon 2 cups (500 mL) dates 4 to 6 9-inch (23 cm) pie shells Pre-made pastry to cover each pie “Sack” or port or brandy In large bowl of water, add ¼ cup salt, entrails and let stand 15 minutes. Drain. In large pot of boiling, salted water, cook entrails for 45 minutes. Drain. When cooled, chop entrails and suet and add to a large bowl. Season with cloves, mace, nutmeg, cinnamon and salt. Add currants, candied orange and lemon and dates. Stir. Fill pre-made pie shells and top with pre-made pastry. Prick with fork and bake at 375F (190C) for one hour. Pour in some “sack,” serve and, um, enjoy!
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Post by doggydog on Apr 13, 2013 18:36:17 GMT 1
Strange comment. I have laid down no rules on how a forum should be administered nor have I attempted to suppress opinion. We are massively devoid of creativity and drive yet fans are bemoaning Scannell's contribution. At least he attempted to get at them. This is my biggest gripe. The lack of alternatives has curtailed our season. Your own words.... "any criticism of his endeavours is marked by a lack of intelligence" It's pretty clear that you think anyone who has a different opinion to you is an idiot or lacks in intelligence. It's also equally clear that opinion is divided on Scannell on here and with intelligent people on both sides of the fence. Thick as fuck
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Apr 13, 2013 18:54:36 GMT 1
Scannell would be in my team every week. When you have a player who can run at defence's like he does, he will cause you problems. Ok so he doesn't do it week in week out but which player does!!.
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Post by ritchie on Apr 13, 2013 19:16:53 GMT 1
build a team round him playing centrally next season please
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