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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 10:01:20 GMT 1
Quick multiple choice question. If you were Dean Hoyle would you A) think "f*** it I'll go do something else and leave em to lower league one obscurity" B) think "f*** it I'll go do something else and leave em to lower league one obscurity" Or C) think "f*** it I'll go do something else and leave em to lower league one obscurity" Excellent post. There are plenty on here who should take a minute to think about that before they next criticise everything HTFC. Too true but I don't think that is the point of this thread, exactly the opposite in fact. Dean Hoyle is held in such high regard that a few comforting words from him, steadying the ship so to speak, go a long way to bringing about some calm. Most folk fully believe in him so during a bad time (and let's not kid ourselves, this is bad) a few words to the fans goes a long way. If you don't see it then fair enough but plenty do.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 10:02:51 GMT 1
Quick multiple choice question. If you were Dean Hoyle would you A) think "f*** it I'll go do something else and leave em to lower league one obscurity" B) think "f*** it I'll go do something else and leave em to lower league one obscurity" Or C) think "f*** it I'll go do something else and leave em to lower league one obscurity" Great, now I've got this childhood ear worm stuck in there for the next few hours...
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Apr 16, 2014 10:03:48 GMT 1
Just rang in to work and asked my boss if I could be rested for 3 months as I have a slight knee injury ---- he thought I was taking the piss
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 10:12:20 GMT 1
Just rang in to work and asked my boss if I could be rested for 3 months as I have a slight knee injury ---- he thought I was taking the piss Does your job involve a requirement for high intensity athletic activity? If so, assuming you have an independent doctors report confirming the injury, I think you have a case for constructive dismissal.
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Post by 3Pipe on Apr 16, 2014 10:15:00 GMT 1
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Post by rocky on Apr 16, 2014 10:19:24 GMT 1
Too true but I don't think that is the point of this thread, exactly the opposite in fact. Dean Hoyle is held in such high regard that a few comforting words from him, steadying the ship so to speak, go a long way to bringing about some calm. Most folk fully believe in him so during a bad time (and let's not kid ourselves, this is bad) a few words to the fans goes a long way. If you don't see it then fair enough but plenty do. Yes, I can see that & accept I've digressed a bit, but the point Ted makes is a good one. We're in a very tough division, which is absolutely ruled by money. It's no coincidence that 6 of the bottom 8 clubs in the league table are also in the bottom 8 of the attendance table. The fact is we're a small club in this division & some seem unable to understand that it is tremendously difficult to get established in it.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Apr 16, 2014 10:23:13 GMT 1
Thought the question was answered perfectly in post#2 tbh.
And yet he (and Robins) are happy to criticize individual players in Canalside forums.
Maybe a comment or two from him might give Robins the kick up the arse that he so rightly deserves right now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 10:42:36 GMT 1
He could always do a Delia and grab Togs mic at half time and fire us up with a rallying call, "Let's Aaaavvvvvvv eeeeeiiit you Terriers!!!!" i thought Tog normally grabbed the mic, proceeded to slag of the opposition, saying stuff like they'll never score, basically doing their half time team talk for them? In between the yawn-fest of slagging our friends from down the M621.
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Post by 3Pipe on Apr 16, 2014 10:47:00 GMT 1
Thought the question was answered perfectly in post#2 tbh. And yet he (and Robins) are happy to criticize individual players in Canalside forums. Maybe a comment or two from him might give Robins the kick up the arse that he so rightly deserves right now. Who have they criticised? A little joke about Joe Lolley getting up at 2pm. I think Robins knows exactly what needs to be done and he got a reaction from the players v Derby. I think post #2 nailed it.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Apr 16, 2014 11:23:14 GMT 1
Thought the question was answered perfectly in post#2 tbh. And yet he (and Robins) are happy to criticize individual players in Canalside forums. Maybe a comment or two from him might give Robins the kick up the arse that he so rightly deserves right now. Who have they criticised? A little joke about Joe Lolley getting up at 2pm. I think Robins knows exactly what needs to be done and he got a reaction from the players v Derby. I think post #2 nailed it. Stead and Holmes are two others that have been mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 11:35:51 GMT 1
Moaner has a good point re fitness levels. The players come in at 9, have breakfast at Canalside at 9:15, are out on the field for 10, back in for 11, showered, massaged for 12 in time for lunch. They're then out of the car park by 12:30 if they can be. I'm not a sports scientist or fitness expert, so I've no idea if this is spot on or not, but to me it seems a bit minimal to say the least... If that is correct ? then whose decision is it to have such a skimpy schedule?
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Post by space hardware on Apr 16, 2014 11:46:13 GMT 1
Moaner has a good point re fitness levels. The players come in at 9, have breakfast at Canalside at 9:15, are out on the field for 10, back in for 11, showered, massaged for 12 in time for lunch. They're then out of the car park by 12:30 if they can be. I'm not a sports scientist or fitness expert, so I've no idea if this is spot on or not, but to me it seems a bit minimal to say the least... If that is correct ? then whose decision is it to have such a skimpy schedule? Wasn't one of the big sticks used to beat Grayson with towards the end of his time here the lack of fitness in the playing staff, and his alleged slackness over training in general? If this is true then it doesn't sound like much has changed.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 16, 2014 11:46:44 GMT 1
Excellent post. There are plenty on here who should take a minute to think about that before they next criticise everything HTFC. Too true but I don't think that is the point of this thread, exactly the opposite in fact. Dean Hoyle is held in such high regard that a few comforting words from him, steadying the ship so to speak, go a long way to bringing about some calm. Most folk fully believe in him so during a bad time (and let's not kid ourselves, this is bad) a few words to the fans goes a long way. If you don't see it then fair enough but plenty do. I'm not saying don't question.. I'm not saying we all have to agree all the time. I'm just saying if I was Hoyle I'd probably pack it in due to all the aggro....Terrierpark was on a thread criticising Dean for "not releasing funds " in jan 2013... What he meant was actually... Dean not sticking his hand in his pocket.... Again... People are living on a parallel universe on here.... How many turned up for Ipswich? 7-8k ? ... If it wasn't for Hoyle we would still be in league one..... Yet people go on and on and on and on..... Twitter campaigns going on about " why do we stay in a hotel for away games?" ... FFS we all know it's a tough time... But a bit more unity and a bit less carping would certainly help in my opinion
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 11:51:09 GMT 1
Moaner has a good point re fitness levels. The players come in at 9, have breakfast at Canalside at 9:15, are out on the field for 10, back in for 11, showered, massaged for 12 in time for lunch. They're then out of the car park by 12:30 if they can be. I'm not a sports scientist or fitness expert, so I've no idea if this is spot on or not, but to me it seems a bit minimal to say the least... If that is correct ? then whose decision is it to have such a skimpy schedule? No idea how accurate that is, and what particular day of the week we're talking about...but I dont think thats all that unusual for this stage of the season is it?
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Post by space hardware on Apr 16, 2014 11:57:35 GMT 1
Too true but I don't think that is the point of this thread, exactly the opposite in fact. Dean Hoyle is held in such high regard that a few comforting words from him, steadying the ship so to speak, go a long way to bringing about some calm. Most folk fully believe in him so during a bad time (and let's not kid ourselves, this is bad) a few words to the fans goes a long way. If you don't see it then fair enough but plenty do. I'm not saying don't question.. I'm not saying we all have to agree all the time. I'm just saying if I was Hoyle I'd probably pack it in due to all the aggro....Terrierpark was on a thread criticising Dean for "not releasing funds " in jan 2013... What he meant was actually... Dean not sticking his hand in his pocket.... Again... People are living on a parallel universe on here.... How many turned up for Ipswich? 7-8k ? ... If it wasn't for Hoyle we would still be in league one..... Yet people go on and on and on and on..... Twitter campaigns going on about " why do we stay in a hotel for away games?" ... FFS we all know it's a tough time... But a bit more unity and a bit less carping would certainly help in my opinion To be fair to Terrierpark Ted, I don't think that thread should be taken at face value. I think the gist of it was questioning the logic of three years spending boatloads of cash to get out of League One then, arguably, not spending enough money when it was perhaps needed in that January transfer window to stave off the threat of going back down the very next season. I don't think it was a "Please sir, can I have some more?" type of thing, unless I'm confusing it with a different thread.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 12:03:49 GMT 1
Fwiw, just asked someone who knows, and LIVERPOOL are currently operating on a MAXIMUM daily training session of 90 minutes, often less.
Similar time of around an hour a day is spent on massage and other individual treatment programmes (various heat and ice treatments etc), and most of their players spend either only 4 or 5 days a week at the club "training", but are also likely to do a bit of gym work individually (although not much at this stage of the season).
Even in the early part of the season, they never work on the pitch or fitness more than 90 minutes for each in a single day.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 12:05:47 GMT 1
Moaner has a good point re fitness levels. The players come in at 9, have breakfast at Canalside at 9:15, are out on the field for 10, back in for 11, showered, massaged for 12 in time for lunch. They're then out of the car park by 12:30 if they can be. I'm not a sports scientist or fitness expert, so I've no idea if this is spot on or not, but to me it seems a bit minimal to say the least... If that is correct ? then whose decision is it to have such a skimpy schedule? It's correct on the days I've been down, but then again I'm not down every day so it might vary.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 12:40:58 GMT 1
Fwiw, just asked someone who knows, and LIVERPOOL are currently operating on a MAXIMUM daily training session of 90 minutes, often less. Similar time of around an hour a day is spent on massage and other individual treatment programmes (various heat and ice treatments etc), and most of their players spend either only 4 or 5 days a week at the club "training", but are also likely to do a bit of gym work individually (although not much at this stage of the season). Even in the early part of the season, they never work on the pitch or fitness more than 90 minutes for each in a single day. Good info. Like I said I'm not an expert on it.. I'm working towards a Uefa B badge, but coaching teenagers is a different kettle of fish. Although having seen how other managers work, a lot of them do preparation in the afternoon with regards to tactical sessions and also with the use of video. Not seen this at Hudds, but that's not to say that it doesn't go on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 12:51:33 GMT 1
Although having seen how other managers work, a lot of them do preparation in the afternoon with regards to tactical sessions and also with the use of video. Not seen this at Hudds, but that's not to say that it doesn't go on. That sounds like a good reason to travel the day before a game and stay overnight somewhere and make use of a hotel conference/meeting room. Do the tactical prep in conditions you can then control and be available in, rather than have them watch TV at Canalside (are there even facilities for that?) and then wander off to their own devices in the afternoon, chatting to mates and inadvertently discussing stuff that should be kept within the squad etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 12:57:24 GMT 1
Although having seen how other managers work, a lot of them do preparation in the afternoon with regards to tactical sessions and also with the use of video. Not seen this at Hudds, but that's not to say that it doesn't go on. That sounds like a good reason to travel the day before a game and stay overnight somewhere and make use of a hotel conference/meeting room. Do the tactical prep in conditions you can then control and be available in, rather than have them watch TV at Canalside (are there even facilities for that?) and then wander off to their own devices in the afternoon, chatting to mates and inadvertently discussing stuff that should be kept within the squad etc. Good reasoning, although I would have thought that the tactical prep should be done earlier in the week, which would then give the squad a grace of a couple of days to work on shapes & situations rather than "revising the night before". I can see arguments for both sides.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 16, 2014 13:31:30 GMT 1
Its not unusual to find training 'scaled down' in length and intensity at this time of year, due to the fatigue over a long season, avoiding injuries in training and generally keeping the players physically fresh as they can without losing fitness for the run in. Not sure what it will be like a club in mid table who have literally nothing to play for but we need the points. Lee Calrk confirmed this happened when he was the manager anyway, so I assume it won't have changed much.
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Post by terrierpark on Apr 16, 2014 23:54:51 GMT 1
Too true but I don't think that is the point of this thread, exactly the opposite in fact. Dean Hoyle is held in such high regard that a few comforting words from him, steadying the ship so to speak, go a long way to bringing about some calm. Most folk fully believe in him so during a bad time (and let's not kid ourselves, this is bad) a few words to the fans goes a long way. If you don't see it then fair enough but plenty do. I'm not saying don't question.. I'm not saying we all have to agree all the time. I'm just saying if I was Hoyle I'd probably pack it in due to all the aggro... .Terrierpark was on a thread criticising Dean for "not releasing funds " in jan 2013... What he meant was actually... Dean not sticking his hand in his pocket.... Again... People are living on a parallel universe on here.... How many turned up for Ipswich? 7-8k ? ... If it wasn't for Hoyle we would still be in league one..... Yet people go on and on and on and on..... Twitter campaigns going on about " why do we stay in a hotel for away games?" ... FFS we all know it's a tough time... But a bit more unity and a bit less carping would certainly help in my opinion I am sure Deano wont pack it in due to me Ted with my unreasonable behaviour. Fancy expecting the club having done record transfer business in what was described as a "fabulous deal for Huddersfield Town" to spend money on a few loan players in the hope they would help the fight against relegation. And then to see the same again the following season, six loans out none in. Totally beyond belief to expect two strikers and one capable replacement isnt it Ted? Deano will probably pack it in like he as always said when he can take the club no further, and since there has been no progress at all this season i expect him to have to wait quite some time yet especially if he sticks with Bobins. As for the attendance v Ipswich what the hell do you expect.The fans are angry at Robins and the team they voted with their feet. boo hoo if it upset you Ted. If it wasn't for Hoyle Sheff utd's goalie we would still be in league one despite all Hoyle had spent /given a bad manager. If Deano was solely responsible for getting us promoted , will he solely be responsible if we go down? I bet you would have none of that would you? NO neither would i for that matter, i just want to know why we have done feck all to rescue a deteriorating situation. I dont expect Deano to keep spending millions Ted out of his own pocket, i dont especially as we are selling players for millions but having got used to a chairmen who always covered the bases its like its almost out of character for him to preside over whats going on at the moment. On the number of posts you have made i expect Ted that you are a senior fan. I know nothing about you but tell me if you dont mind are you connected to the club in some way perhaps in the past or the present other than been a fan?
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Post by 5kippy on Apr 17, 2014 8:53:19 GMT 1
Any statement from Mr Hoyle can only undermine the manager, hence the silence. But it doesn't need to be a "Statement" it could be a joint thing on the web site or HTAFC's Youtube or even Radio Leeds. Just something to calm the nerves of the worried fans. I have heard it said on here that some long standing SC holders are not renewing. I know it may not be many, but some confident words from DH & MR surely won't go amiss. In this day and age there is no excuse for not keeping your customers informed. In fact I think that is what Dean has been trying to achieve - keep the fans informed - so now would be a great time to start with some interactive "in-play" comments. I know the general reason for a Chairman's statement, in support of the current Manager, is seen as a "vote of confidence" and the media usually try to put a negative spin on it (for their own reasons). But it doesn't have to be that. If Dean is content with where we are, then he should tell us that and if there are some exiting things going to happen ready for next season (in the Championship) let us have a general idea of where we are going. Let us know that we are not going to take a step backwards after all the hard work that it has taken to get us where we are. Nobody on here can say, with complete certainty, that we are currently safe, so we need re-assurance that he (DH) is doing everything in his power to make us so. I'm also sure that when the contract runs out on the current website we will be seeing a lot more interactive stuff on there too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 9:01:38 GMT 1
Any statement from Mr Hoyle can only undermine the manager, hence the silence. But it doesn't need to be a "Statement" it could be a joint thing on the web site or HTAFC's Youtube or even Radio Leeds. Just something to calm the nerves of the worried fans. I have heard it said on here that some long standing SC holders are not renewing. I know it may not be many, but some confident words from DH & MR surely won't go amiss. In this day and age there is no excuse for not keeping your customers informed. In fact I think that is what Dean has been trying to achieve - keep the fans informed - so now would be a great time to start with some interactive "in-play" comments. I know the general reason for a Chairman's statement, in support of the current Manager, is seen as a "vote of confidence" and the media usually try to put a negative spin on it (for their own reasons). But it doesn't have to be that. If Dean is content with where we are, then he should tell us that and if there are some exiting things going to happen ready for next season (in the Championship) let us have a general idea of where we are going. Let us know that we are not going to take a step backwards after all the hard work that it has taken to get us where we are. Nobody on here can say, with complete certainty, that we are currently safe, so we need re-assurance that he (DH) is doing everything in his power to make us so. I'm also sure that when the contract runs out on the current website we will be seeing a lot more interactive stuff on there too. Surely we don't need Dean to affirm it's raining when it's p***ing down? As far as the website is concerned I doubt any of us will be around when that contract runs out.
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Post by ram on Apr 17, 2014 9:11:02 GMT 1
I wasn,t going to renew,but I changed my mind,and did so.Will I get a part refund if{3rd Div football price} we go down? I,m not holding my breath on that one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 9:25:51 GMT 1
I wasn,t going to renew,but I changed my mind,and did so.Will I get a part refund if{3rd Div football price} we go down? I,m not holding my breath on that one. Doubt League one prices would be any different to be honest, how much have season card prices increased in the last two seasons? I know the price I paid last season was the same as the previous in league one.
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Post by ram on Apr 17, 2014 9:29:03 GMT 1
If they arn,t,they should be...I think mine has gone up about a tenner
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 9:55:30 GMT 1
Any statement from Mr Hoyle can only undermine the manager, hence the silence. But it doesn't need to be a "Statement" it could be a joint thing on the web site or HTAFC's Youtube or even Radio Leeds. Just something to calm the nerves of the worried fans. I have heard it said on here that some long standing SC holders are not renewing. I know it may not be many, but some confident words from DH & MR surely won't go amiss. In this day and age there is no excuse for not keeping your customers informed. In fact I think that is what Dean has been trying to achieve - keep the fans informed - so now would be a great time to start with some interactive "in-play" comments. I know the general reason for a Chairman's statement, in support of the current Manager, is seen as a "vote of confidence" and the media usually try to put a negative spin on it (for their own reasons). But it doesn't have to be that. If Dean is content with where we are, then he should tell us that and if there are some exiting things going to happen ready for next season (in the Championship) let us have a general idea of where we are going. Let us know that we are not going to take a step backwards after all the hard work that it has taken to get us where we are. Nobody on here can say, with complete certainty, that we are currently safe, so we need re-assurance that he (DH) is doing everything in his power to make us so. I'm also sure that when the contract runs out on the current website we will be seeing a lot more interactive stuff on there too. Not one of us will be alive when that contract runs out. Edit; Just seen Codd's post.
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Post by Polish Hippy on Apr 17, 2014 11:02:45 GMT 1
I am sure Deano wont pack it in due to me Ted with my unreasonable behaviour. Fancy expecting the club having done record transfer business in what was described as a "fabulous deal for Huddersfield Town" to spend money on a few loan players in the hope they would help the fight against relegation. And then to see the same again the following season, six loans out none in. Totally beyond belief to expect two strikers and one capable replacement isnt it Ted? Deano will probably pack it in like he as always said when he can take the club no further, and since there has been no progress at all this season i expect him to have to wait quite some time yet especially if he sticks with Bobins. As for the attendance v Ipswich what the hell do you expect.The fans are angry at Robins and the team they voted with their feet. boo hoo if it upset you Ted. If it wasn't for Hoyle Sheff utd's goalie we would still be in league one despite all Hoyle had spent /given a bad manager. If Deano was solely responsible for getting us promoted , will he solely be responsible if we go down? I bet you would have none of that would you? NO neither would i for that matter, i just want to know why we have done feck all to rescue a deteriorating situation. I dont expect Deano to keep spending millions Ted out of his own pocket, i dont especially as we are selling players for millions but having got used to a chairmen who always covered the bases its like its almost out of character for him to preside over whats going on at the moment. Regardless of how deep the Chairman's pockets are I think we're subject to the financial fair play rules and I'm sure he's stated before that players will have to go out before others come in.
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