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Jul 14, 2014 21:06:42 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 21:06:42 GMT 1
If Clayton is refusing to sign an extension then he will be sold in this window and Town will just hold out for as much as they can possibly get for him. I still hope that he may be willing to sign for at least one more year but who knows.
From a footballing perspective I do not see Middlesborough as a massive step up. They have a better chance of promotion than us this season but I would hardly put them as favorites or even in my top 6. Still, as we have seen with Rhodes, sometimes footballing ambition takes a back seat to cash. Only Clayton knows what he really wants to do.
If I was him, I would be patient and hope someone else is interested rather than jump at the first offer. Maybe someone will come in for him that can give him more cash and improve his prospects.
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Post by Giggity on Jul 14, 2014 21:26:39 GMT 1
Clayton can be replaced.
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Post by mightyterrier on Jul 14, 2014 21:30:05 GMT 1
He can yes, my thinking exactly.
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Jul 14, 2014 21:34:58 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 21:34:58 GMT 1
He can yes, my thinking exactly. Any replacement names that you believe are 1. better than Clayton and 2. if we could get someone better why would they choose Town if Town wasn't good enough for Clayton.
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Jul 14, 2014 21:37:12 GMT 1
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 14, 2014 21:37:12 GMT 1
Money talks, he will leave!
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Jul 14, 2014 21:45:45 GMT 1
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Post by space hardware on Jul 14, 2014 21:45:45 GMT 1
He can yes, my thinking exactly. Grayson signed Clayton for around half a million notes. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that somewhere around the leagues (or even on the continent) there are players who could replace him for around the same figure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 21:47:33 GMT 1
We had fun with Clayt's beard last season, and he definitely improved on the season before, however he is definitely not irreplaceable.
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Jul 14, 2014 21:48:34 GMT 1
Post by H7 on Jul 14, 2014 21:48:34 GMT 1
What's the attraction of Middlesboro? Hardly a step up from us, or am I missing something? Money...though that doesnt make much sense to me. They will have a higher wage budget than us, but you would think that being our best player we could make him top earner and compete near to what boro would offer!? They're not a parachute club and have only slightly larger crowds When you take into account he would probably have to a) travel a lot or b) move from manchester (which he seems to like) and spend on a new gaff, you would think for the extra money they were offering it wouldnt quite be worth the hassle for him...I could understand if he was out of contract as they would offer him a bit signing on fee. Really doesnt seem a good move for him and with him starting to flourish here in our system he'd be better off staying and leaving in summer for a better club Exactly... I could understand a move to Brighton where they are more established than us and a few years ahead in terms of Championship life... But Boro are just an average team who have been largely irrelevant to English football since their relegation from the prem, add to that in a completely isolated part of the country miles away from all the places he hangs out (manc/leeds etc) It would have to be daft wages... I also think we are missing one big factor in Clayton's decision making, would his mrs be happy swapping manchester and leeds for f**king middlesboro?! I think not!
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Jul 14, 2014 21:53:44 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 21:53:44 GMT 1
He can yes, my thinking exactly. Grayson signed Clayton for around half a million notes. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that somewhere around the leagues (or even on the continent) there are players who could replace him for around the same figure. Difference being that Clayton wasn't wanted/needed then which ultimately reduced his fee.
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Jul 14, 2014 21:54:43 GMT 1
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Post by mightyterrier on Jul 14, 2014 21:54:43 GMT 1
He can yes, my thinking exactly. Any replacement names that you believe are 1. better than Clayton and 2. if we could get someone better why would they choose Town if Town wasn't good enough for Clayton. Signed for 350k there are other players that can do the job Clayton does. He is a very good player, undoubtedly, but all of a sudden he is irreplaceable aka the messiah. Not too long ago the very same player was under pressure for under performing. He can take his little dinks over the top to Boro for me. He's replaceable and if we get more than we paid for Nahki Wells - that's some deal for a player with less than 1 year left on his contract.
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Jul 14, 2014 22:01:52 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 22:01:52 GMT 1
Not the messiah, but a damn sight better than our current crop of midfielders. And yes very hard to replace with someone as good or better to a "bottom 6 side"
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Post by ritchie on Jul 14, 2014 22:07:19 GMT 1
Yes, of course he can. Will he be replaced is a completely different question. Given our CM hit rate it might not be for a long while.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Jul 14, 2014 22:13:48 GMT 1
Yes, of course he can. Will he be replaced is a completely different question. Given our CM hit rate it might not be for a long while. Agreed, I could see a situation where we'd get a good fee for Clayton and replace him with someone like Keith Andrews.
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Post by space hardware on Jul 14, 2014 22:17:04 GMT 1
Yes, of course he can. Will he be replaced is a completely different question. Given our CM hit rate it might not be for a long while. Agreed, I could see a situation where we'd get a good fee for Clayton and replace him with someone like Keith Andrews. Christ alive, DATM meltdown if that happens.
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Jul 14, 2014 22:21:32 GMT 1
Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 14, 2014 22:21:32 GMT 1
Yes, of course he can. Will he be replaced is a completely different question. Given our CM hit rate it might not be for a long while. Agreed, I could see a situation where we'd get a good fee for Clayton and replace him with someone like Keith Andrews. I think it would be hilarious if we were to sign Andrews and for him to be a Barry Horne type of player for us. It's almost like he has been written off not only before he plays for us but even before he may or may not sign on the dotted line. Whilst he wouldn't be my first choice I would at least be prepared to see what he can do for us before judging him. I see Clayton and Norwood as similar types of players for us and I do believe we need something different besides Hogg and both of Norwood and Clayton. I would much prefer Clayton of him or Norwood but given we could get a fee of around £1.5M or above for Clayton and who is to say the dynamic of Hogg, Norwood and an Andrews type of midfielder wouldn't work better for us anyway.
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Post by Giggity on Jul 14, 2014 22:21:50 GMT 1
Yes, of course he can. Will he be replaced is a completely different question. Given our CM hit rate it might not be for a long while. You never know. Robins could sign a replacement that brings more balance to the team. Then again, he could sign another deep-lying midfielder like that donkey Keith Andrews.
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Jul 14, 2014 22:38:29 GMT 1
Post by fredcarno1 on Jul 14, 2014 22:38:29 GMT 1
Agreed, I could see a situation where we'd get a good fee for Clayton and replace him with someone like Keith Andrews. I think it would be hilarious if we were to sign Andrews and for him to be a Barry Horne type of player for us. It's almost like he has been written off not only before he plays for us but even before he may or may not sign on the dotted line. Whilst he wouldn't be my first choice I would at least be prepared to see what he can do for us before judging him. I see Clayton and Norwood as similar types of players for us and I do believe we need something different besides Hogg and both of Norwood and Clayton. I would much prefer Clayton of him or Norwood but given we could get a fee of around £1.5M or above for Clayton and who is to say the dynamic of Hogg, Norwood and an Andrews type of midfielder wouldn't work better for us anyway. I admire your optimism if you think a midfield of Andrews / Norwood and Hogg would be a good thing, Norwood has been very poor for quite some time and Hogg has been a massive disappointment. Maybe Gobern will come good as well !!
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Post by Hank Hill on Jul 14, 2014 22:43:15 GMT 1
Not the messiah, but a damn sight better than our current crop of midfielders. And yes very hard to replace with someone as good or better to a "bottom 6 side" He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Jul 14, 2014 23:49:43 GMT 1
I find it fascinating how some people think.
Clayton is not the only CM in the world, and he's very replaceable. I think a lot of people are letting their love of his beard get in the way of a true judgement.
Don't get me wrong, I liked his beard too, it provided the inspiration for my DATM name, but it's not the end of the world if he leaves.
Let's not forget that clayton was a guy who got punched by a teammate for being a bit of a dick, and that stupid play against Blackburn where he gave the ball to Rhodes for his hat trick will be hard to forget.
You can't predict the future, players are human and there's a million factors that affect their performance. We all thought Arfield was awful, Man Utd fans were excited to sign Fellaini, and literally everyone was wondering what Real Madrid were smoking when they made Gareth Bale the most expensive signing in history.
This time last season people were crying over a lack of defensive signings.. We signed nobody all season an what happened? Tom Smith appeared out of nowhere and we didn't get relegated even though everyone was certain we'd go down without new defenders.
Chill out, right now our squad is in fact stronger than before with more signings apparently on the way, and who knows what might happen? Selling Clayton could end up being the best thing we do this season.
I'll trust Dean and the board to make the right calls, they've done an alright job so far..
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Jul 14, 2014 23:56:52 GMT 1
The midfield was dog shit from January on - change is needed - things need shaking up - stay the same and we'll struggle again.
If that change means we get 1.5 million for Clayton and he's the change - no problem.
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Post by ritchie on Jul 15, 2014 0:38:56 GMT 1
Im a bit torn, if we can get 1.5+ then it would be hard for a club like us to turn down given he only has a year left... but at the same time, I feel we'd need to spend that to get anywhere near as good a midfielder (ideally 2, as i felt we needed a new midfielder even if he was staying). It would take the heart out of this team and I could see a very hard season next year - last season we only seemed to play well when he did.
I'd feel a little more confident if we'd brought some quality players in..but pelts and murphy, although make sense, are not inspiring. Robins still has it to prove in the market and the link to kieth andrews...well, he is not an answer to any question!! ..a midfield of him and norwood would see us in L1 next year.
Have to wonder if it would be worth the risk offering him a bumper deal to stay - as with time on his contract I could easily see us getting 4m for him next summer. Say we offered him 20k on a 2yr (+1yr optional) deal - that's risking 2 million quid outlay. Cant see him turning that down to move to boro and surely we could be confident of recouping that kind of money? Even if we only got 1.5m for him next summer we'd have done better out of it than selling now.
His attitude is the only risk to that not being a pretty safe bet I reckon (and maybe the reason we wont offer him what he wants?), but i feel he seemed to come of age a bit after that incident.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 15, 2014 1:13:37 GMT 1
All i know is that in 2 years we will be saying "Clayton who"? He is average.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 6:01:24 GMT 1
All i know is that in 2 years we will be saying "Clayton who"? He is average. IF he's average, then Norwood and Hogg must be abysmal. Let him go, by all means, as we simply cannot afford to lose out on a big (for us) money deal, but don't underestimate the task of finding a replacement for half the money.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 6:17:24 GMT 1
maybe the replacement for him is already here in our youth set up? Isn't this what Deans ethos is? Buy small sell bigger? 1 million profit aint bad is it? I think it's more about sending out the right message at the moment to home fans. If we're going to sell him then maybe someone from the club should talk to the fans and explain the situation as in....
"don't panic, yeah it's good money and he want's to go, but we've always got Billing, Holmes.....etc"
What chance getting rid of some deadwood tho?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 7:04:35 GMT 1
All i know is that in 2 years we will be saying "Clayton who"? He is average. IF he's average, then Norwood and Hogg must be abysmal. Let him go, by all means, as we simply cannot afford to lose out on a big (for us) money deal, but don't underestimate the task of finding a replacement for half the money. Spot on. The club states it needs to build and progress from season to season. To do that would surely mean to add a player to complement Clayton. I would try and offload Norwood, Gobern, Scannel but then that would contradict my previous posts 're Replacing Clayton. A very hard task indeed
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 15, 2014 7:14:30 GMT 1
maybe the replacement for him is already here in our youth set up? Isn't this what Deans ethos is? Buy small sell bigger? 1 million profit aint bad is it? I think it's more about sending out the right message at the moment to home fans. If we're going to sell him then maybe someone from the club should talk to the fans and explain the situation as in.... "don't panic, yeah it's good money and he want's to go, but we've always got Billing, Holmes.....etc" What chance getting rid of some deadwood tho? Getting rid of the "dead wood" is always going to be a challenge - for every Hunt, there must be a dozen...............well, whatever their names were. And this has to be measured against "The Arfield Scenario", but we can't let either of these deflect us, so long as we win more than we lose?
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Post by terrierng on Jul 15, 2014 7:25:08 GMT 1
Radio Leeds say boro have upped the bid to 1,5million now.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jul 15, 2014 7:47:46 GMT 1
Clayton may well have decided to sit back and run his last year down so he gets the best deal possible next year. Boro may want him, Town may want to sell him but unless the move suits Clayton he may just say 'No'.
if Boro have upped their bid to 1.5m I would take it and get a new Centre mid and centre half.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 7:53:56 GMT 1
ffs ive just had a life size face pic tattoo of Clayton done on my back,, im going to have to have it changed to Duane Holmes now,,, i fkin hate footballers,, thanks Adam
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 7:57:05 GMT 1
ffs ive just had a life size face pic tattoo of Clayton done on my back,, im going to have to have it changed to Duane Holmes now,,, i fkin hate footballers,, thanks Adam Was it with or without beard? If it was with beard, you could probably stand on your head all the time and it might look a bit like that Phillip Billing.
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