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Jul 14, 2014 18:36:35 GMT 1
Post by borofan on Jul 14, 2014 18:36:35 GMT 1
Just seen this quote in the gazette; The deal will enable Steve Gibson to invest further in the squad with at least one more forward expected to come in, possibly before the week is out. Boro should also tie up a deal for Huddersfield’s Adam Clayton and they are pursuing options at right-back. Sounds like a deal might be closer than we thought. We have just somehow got 2 million for jukiewicz so thats where the money is coming from If Jokeawicz went for £2 million Clayton is worth £140 million. That is true, deal of the century to get 2 million for juke, he is dreadful
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Jul 14, 2014 18:37:17 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 18:37:17 GMT 1
FFP doesn't look at debt (as in overall) tho, it looks at operating ins and outs. Have Boro balanced the Books? Probably not by about 17 million quid......
The jokiebitch transfer might have helped tho.
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Jul 14, 2014 18:37:31 GMT 1
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 14, 2014 18:37:31 GMT 1
Just seen this quote in the gazette; The deal will enable Steve Gibson to invest further in the squad with at least one more forward expected to come in, possibly before the week is out. Boro should also tie up a deal for Huddersfield’s Adam Clayton and they are pursuing options at right-back. Sounds like a deal might be closer than we thought. We have just somehow got 2 million for jukiewicz so thats where the money is coming from I don't think a deal is closer than we thought.. If a fee had been accepted i'm sure one of the clubs would have announced officially by now.. The way i see it Boro are no closer than last Thursday.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 18:38:16 GMT 1
plus he's in portugal training with us.
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Jul 14, 2014 18:55:24 GMT 1
Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jul 14, 2014 18:55:24 GMT 1
BORO -- Put into google -- championship clubs in debt of which is there for all to read and surely not long before the end of badly managed clubs like Bolton.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jul 14, 2014 18:56:16 GMT 1
Boro made a loss of 18.5 million in the 2012/13 season and nett debt taken out by Gibson is now in the region of 80.9 million also i very much doubt that this debt will be paid off unless Boro reach the premier league . If Boro or any other championship club fail to comply with the fair play rules then they will recieve a transfer embargo from jan 2015 and will also pay a fair play tax of which rules that only Harry Redknapp can explain . As for Clayton , he is good value in todays market at 1.5 million but i feel Boros poor squad means they will have to break the bank to put a potential premier league team together and god help them if they fail. To be fair, Gibson always seemed like one of the good guys. Self made man, supports his local club, rarely if ever spouts off in the press etc. Similar to DH. They did have a poor attendance record at Ayresome Park for long periods, but he delivered them from administration, provided one of the better new grounds and brought world class talent to Teesside. From a relatively small catchment area, their attendances in the PL were not that bad; we wouldn't be able to match them, though that's down to capacity. However, if we ever get to the top flight, interest would dim pretty quickly as we struggled (look how fast people jumped ship after saying that what they wanted was Championship football). Not sure how they will cope with FFP, but I suspect Gibson is a pretty shrewd operator.
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Jul 14, 2014 19:00:46 GMT 1
Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 14, 2014 19:00:46 GMT 1
How people calculate that Clayton is worth 1 million plus is beyond me. 750k at best given he has a year left on his contract, this is a big bargaining tool is the little time left on the contract. If we get 750k for him it would be excellent business. You seem to be missing the fact that he may sign a new deal with us. If he has said that is a non starter then your conclusion is correct and he's a depreciating asset. If not there is every chance we can tie him to a new contract thus securing his value. Times like this the bosman ruling is very silly, must a nightmare for clubs to deal with especially if you have a dishonest player or agent deal with, hopefully that's the case with Clayton comes across a decent lad, no idea about agent though. So yes if he has said he won't sign his value is impacted, if there a decent chance he will the impact his value will be much less and it's more about who wants him most and whether wants it. You say 750k at best but if we can't replace him I would argue it would be worth risking losing that fee to keep him in a town shirt this season. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards Agreed, but in all honesty I genuinely think if he was going to sign a new contract he would have done so by now. I agree also about replacing him, we have to weigh it up, do we keep him risk him not signing a new contract but he goes some way to keep us up or do we cash in now and be unable to find a suitable replacement and end up struggling badly. Having said that we should be able to find a decent replacement with his fee.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jul 14, 2014 19:12:03 GMT 1
To trot out an old cliche, a player is worth as much as someone is willing to pay for him. If Brighton and Boro are both interested in him and they are both going to spend big now and take the transfer embargo/fine in January for the chance of promotion, then they might pay £1.5m, or £2m because that extra £1m will be chicken feed compared to the £120m they can get from promotion, irrespective of Clayton only having 1 year left on his contract.
If Boro came in with an opening bid of £1m then Deano is far too canny to accept that because he knows they'll be prepared to go higher, especially as they have just spunked £2m+ on this kid from the Spanish second division. If Brighton get involved in a bidding war then we could easily be looking at £2m.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 14, 2014 19:15:43 GMT 1
I don't necessarily disagree with what you are saying, but why use this daft description of a 'selling club'. Does the fact we bought Wells and Lolley make us a 'buying club'?! In all seriousness, we are no more a selling club than most out there; if anything our strong foundations mean we do not have to sell, rather we just will do when we feel it's a good deal and we can fill the void. With due respect I just cant agree with you condescending. I believe we do sell to strengthen our future. Nothing wrong with being a selling club if you keep on making a profit on players. At the end of the day football is now a business. Depends what your definition of a selling club is I suppose. Like I said nothing wrong with the way we are operating or our ethos, in fact imo in our current position its a wise long term view. If someone bid for the aforementioned Wells or Lolley and offered a good increase in their market value I reckon we would sell. Just my opinion mate. I agree we would for the right price and we were happy we could fill the void; I'm not arguing with your main point. I just think classing us as a selling club is daft when what you describe applies to all but about five clubs in world football. A selling club to me is one who heavily depends on fees to survive and will often get screwed on the price with other teams fully aware of their circumstances. We are not that type of club anymore; we do not have to sell.
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Jul 14, 2014 19:15:43 GMT 1
Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 14, 2014 19:15:43 GMT 1
No one in their right mind would pay over a million notes for a player, I'm shocked that any club chairman is considering paying over the odds for a player they can have for half the price quoted in January, should he not sign a new contract. I can just see the Middlesbrough boardroom right now, 'they want how much'.....
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Jul 14, 2014 19:16:26 GMT 1
Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jul 14, 2014 19:16:26 GMT 1
How many players in the Boro squad have premier league potential and are worth over 1 million in todays market ?? I actually think Town have a better squad and our chairman has a far better business brain thus the club debts.
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Jul 14, 2014 19:21:51 GMT 1
Post by borofan on Jul 14, 2014 19:21:51 GMT 1
How many players in the Boro squad have premier league potential . not a great deal, probably about 5, does clayton?? There is a difference between being a selling club and well managed. If a players contract is almost up and he wont sign a new contract then its common sense to cash in before its too late. For clubs that arnt that well financed then at least a replacement can be signed. How much did yous sign clayton for?
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Post by H7 on Jul 14, 2014 19:23:00 GMT 1
What's the attraction of Middlesboro? Hardly a step up from us, or am I missing something?
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Clayton
Jul 14, 2014 19:26:03 GMT 1
Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 14, 2014 19:26:03 GMT 1
How many players in the Boro squad have premier league potential . not a great deal, probably about 5, does clayton?? There is a difference between being a selling club and well managed. If a players contract is almost up and he wont sign a new contract then its common sense to cash in before its too late. For clubs that arnt that well financed then at least a replacement can be signed. How much did yous sign clayton for?About 500k.
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Jul 14, 2014 19:26:51 GMT 1
Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jul 14, 2014 19:26:51 GMT 1
How many players in the Boro squad have premier league potential . not a great deal, probably about 5, does clayton?? There is a difference between being a selling club and well managed. If a players contract is almost up and he wont sign a new contract then its common sense to cash in before its too late. For clubs that arnt that well financed then at least a replacement can be signed. How much did yous sign clayton for? Not sure as most of our deals are undisclosed, but somewhere between £500k and £800k I think.
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Jul 14, 2014 19:27:17 GMT 1
Post by borofan on Jul 14, 2014 19:27:17 GMT 1
How many players in the Boro squad have premier league potential and are worth over 1 million in todays market ?? I actually think Town have a better squad and our chairman has a far better business brain thus the club debts. Worth over 1 million? Steele Friend Gibson Ayala Leadbitter Williams Adomah Carayol Tomlin Carayol Kike If town had a better squad then they would have surely finished above boro last season? Why would you say that your chairman has a better business brain btw?
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Jul 14, 2014 19:27:19 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 19:27:19 GMT 1
No one in their right mind would pay over a million notes for a player, I'm shocked that any club chairman is considering paying over the odds for a player they can have for half the price quoted in January, should he not sign a new contract. I can just see the Middlesbrough boardroom right now, 'they want how much'..... The can't have anyone in January in they're under embargo. It makes sense to stock up now on players at inflated rates if they face the prospect of two/three windows without being able to buy.
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Jul 14, 2014 19:28:19 GMT 1
Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 14, 2014 19:28:19 GMT 1
What's the attraction of Middlesboro? Hardly a step up from us, or am I missing something? It's a shithole. Horrid town. Ground surrounded by chemical works. Clayts won't mind tho if he signs on 20 k a week
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 14, 2014 19:29:35 GMT 1
No one in their right mind would pay over a million notes for a player, I'm shocked that any club chairman is considering paying over the odds for a player they can have for half the price quoted in January, should he not sign a new contract. I can just see the Middlesbrough boardroom right now, 'they want how much'..... Yeah that was obviously their response if they've come back with an improved offer of 1.5million if the oggie info is correct. As someone stated earlier Clayton has yet to state he won't sign another contract for us which means until that is clarified then we are clearly in a better position than say Bradford were with Wells who needed to get rid after the player had stated his intention not to sign another contract with them. The last thing the Boro Chairman wants is to keep his powder dry hoping to sign him for a song in January when a) More attractive clubs than Boro may come into the bidding b) He could see the player sign a contract extension at Town thus doubling(or more) his current value. In reality the buying clubs set their valuation on a player and if it meets our valuation of the player than he will be sold. As much as you see Town in a weakened position due to his contract, IMO Boro are in a needy position because they want the player, well enough to make multiple bids anyways. It clearly looks like Clayton will go to the highest bidder but I wouldn't be shocked if he signed a contract extension with us in the coming fortnight. At the end of the day the club that will make Clayton richest will be the one that gets him. I'm sure his agent is fielding many calls at the moment.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 14, 2014 19:33:09 GMT 1
not a great deal, probably about 5, does clayton?? There is a difference between being a selling club and well managed. If a players contract is almost up and he wont sign a new contract then its common sense to cash in before its too late. For clubs that arnt that well financed then at least a replacement can be signed. How much did yous sign clayton for?About 500k. We signed Clayton for 350K saucy
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Jul 14, 2014 19:36:10 GMT 1
Post by borofan on Jul 14, 2014 19:36:10 GMT 1
No one in their right mind would pay over a million notes for a player, I'm shocked that any club chairman is considering paying over the odds for a player they can have for half the price quoted in January, should he not sign a new contract. I can just see the Middlesbrough boardroom right now, 'they want how much'..... The can't have anyone in January in they're under embargo. It makes sense to stock up now on players at inflated rates if they face the prospect of two/three windows without being able to buy. Are we haha, thats news to me
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Jul 14, 2014 19:37:45 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 19:37:45 GMT 1
No one in their right mind would pay over a million notes for a player, I'm shocked that any club chairman is considering paying over the odds for a player they can have for half the price quoted in January, should he not sign a new contract. I can just see the Middlesbrough boardroom right now, 'they want how much'..... Yeah that was obviously their response if they've come back with an improved offer of 1.5million if the oggie info is correct. As someone stated earlier Clayton has yet to state he won't sign another contract for us which means until that is clarified then we are clearly in a better position than say Bradford were with Wells who needed to get rid after the player had stated his intention not to sign another contract with them. The last thing the Boro Chairman wants is to keep his powder dry hoping to sign him for a song in January when a) More attractive clubs than Boro may come into the bidding b) See the player sign a contract extension at Town thus doubling(or more) his current value. In reality the buying clubs set their valuation on a player and if hit meets our valuation of the player than he will be sold. As much as you see Town in a weakened position due to his contract, IMO Boro are in a needy position because they want the player, well enough to make multiple bids anyways. It clearly looks like Clayton will go to the highest bidder but I wouldn't be shocked if he signed a contract extension with in the coming fortnight. at the end of the day the club that will make Clayton richest will be the one that gets him. I'm sure his agent is fielding many calls at the moment. We don't know enough of the action behind the scenes, but there's been a dozen transfer sagas in the last year where this kind of speculation was nothing more than players/agents bargaining over increased wages on their existing contract. The power balance between club and player always shifts over the course of the contract depending on whether the players exceeds - or doesn't live up to - expectations. Clearly he's one of our best players but we don't need to be rushed into offering him £1m pa wages and the captaincy just because Boro are sniffing. If there's a deal possible - if his wage demands can come down to something acceptable like Vaughan's - I think your scenario is fairly likely.
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Jul 14, 2014 19:40:58 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 19:40:58 GMT 1
The can't have anyone in January in they're under embargo. It makes sense to stock up now on players at inflated rates if they face the prospect of two/three windows without being able to buy. Are we haha, thats news to me That would be the consequence of your losses exceeding £8m, yes. I don't know how likely this is, but it's a possible strategy for clubs that know they're going to fail.
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Jul 14, 2014 19:47:14 GMT 1
Are we haha, thats news to me That would be the consequence of your losses exceeding £8m, yes. I don't know how likely this is, but it's a possible strategy for clubs that know they're going to fail. They were £14 million last year
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Post by workshyfop on Jul 14, 2014 19:53:16 GMT 1
What's the attraction of Middlesboro? Hardly a step up from us, or am I missing something? It's a shithole. Horrid town. Ground surrounded by chemical works. Clayts won't mind tho if he signs on 20 k a week Do you think professional footballers live in Middlesbrough town centre next to chemical works? I suspect they may live in one of the nice areas outside the town (Yarm or wherever). Money will talk at the end of the day.
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Jul 14, 2014 20:00:34 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 20:00:34 GMT 1
What's the attraction of Middlesboro? Hardly a step up from us, or am I missing something? as i have said in previous posts town are in a difficult position regarding clayton but the thing that disturbs me is when the manager and chairman say we need more playeres of championship experience in which i agree we dont seem to be able to do that clayton would be a big loss and weaken us further unless we can somehow attract better players than we have,We shall have to see what develops but our first choice targets have slipped away as we cant compete with the wages that others are prepared to pay
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Jul 14, 2014 20:17:57 GMT 1
Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 14, 2014 20:17:57 GMT 1
If the club felt that there was no way Clayton would sign an extension with us or that an improved bid wouldn't be forthcoming then I doubt Boro's first bid would have been turned down.
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 14, 2014 20:40:58 GMT 1
It's a shithole. Horrid town. Ground surrounded by chemical works. Clayts won't mind tho if he signs on 20 k a week Do you think professional footballers live in Middlesbrough town centre next to chemical works? I suspect they may live in one of the nice areas outside the town (Yarm or wherever). Money will talk at the end of the day. This. Whichever club you look at, whichever town or city in the country - there will be nice areas to live. Good god, most of London is a shithole, but Chelsea, Arsenal et al don't have many problems attracting players! There are some cracking villages in County Durham, and you're not a million miles from Newcastle if you want something a bit more lively. Was Middlesbrough really so much more wonderful a place to live in the mid-late 1990s than it is now? Because it wasn't so much of a dump as to put off Juninho, Ravanelli et al back then.
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Jul 14, 2014 20:44:36 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 20:44:36 GMT 1
Do you think professional footballers live in Middlesbrough town centre next to chemical works? I suspect they may live in one of the nice areas outside the town (Yarm or wherever). Money will talk at the end of the day. This. Whichever club you look at, whichever town or city in the country - there will be nice areas to live. Good god, most of London is a shithole, but Chelsea, Arsenal et al don't have many problems attracting players! There are some cracking villages in County Durham, and you're not a million miles from Newcastle if you want something a bit more lively. Was Middlesbrough really so much more wonderful a place to live in the mid-late 1990s than it is now? Because it wasn't so much of a dump as to put off Juninho, Ravanelli et al back then. Boro ain't his beloved Manchester though.
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Jul 14, 2014 21:04:21 GMT 1
Post by ritchie on Jul 14, 2014 21:04:21 GMT 1
What's the attraction of Middlesboro? Hardly a step up from us, or am I missing something? Money...though that doesnt make much sense to me. They will have a higher wage budget than us, but you would think that being our best player we could make him top earner and compete near to what boro would offer!? They're not a parachute club and have only slightly larger crowds When you take into account he would probably have to a) travel a lot or b) move from manchester (which he seems to like) and spend on a new gaff, you would think for the extra money they were offering it wouldnt quite be worth the hassle for him...I could understand if he was out of contract as they would offer him a bit signing on fee. Really doesnt seem a good move for him and with him starting to flourish here in our system he'd be better off staying and leaving in summer for a better club
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