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Post by lochnessterrier on Jul 14, 2014 9:17:05 GMT 1
My heart says a top half finish, but my head predicts another relegation scrap. These teams that keep coming down from the Premiership with multi millions are making it difficult for us to compete. Personally I would be delighted to finish 12th. Thoughts?
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Post by jqhtfc on Jul 14, 2014 9:35:48 GMT 1
13th-14th for me would be a decent finish, I'd love to say top ten pushing the play offs but we can't and won't spend the required cash to add enough quality to the side for that yet . With the squad as it currently is think we will have a season much like the last one.
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Jul 14, 2014 9:49:38 GMT 1
12th.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 14, 2014 9:56:54 GMT 1
Its going to be a tough season ( the championship is always going to be) and its very hard to predict anything, but I'll be happy to just finish higher than we did last season and continue moving in the right direction for something like the 7th season running.
Before I get accused of accepting failure and having no ambition by the hard of thinking, thats not to say I don't hope we'll do much better than that- just that a higher finish, be it by just 1 place will represent some progress.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 14, 2014 10:03:56 GMT 1
When you look at the financial muscle of those coming down and this combined with the ambition of those coming up, factor in our (so far) inactivity in the transfer marketplace, you'd be a fool to imagine anything other than a battle at the wrong end of the table this coming season. Unless, of course, you are one of those who think Robins is a canny tactical and motivational wizard, who is going to work his magical spells on the team and drag us kicking & screaming towards the promised land of the play off positions.
Personally, I would rather this though than be in Leeds' shoes at the moment....?
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Jul 14, 2014 10:13:27 GMT 1
The following teams have parachute payments:
Norwich Fulham Cardiff Wolves Reading Blackburn Wigan Bolton?
It is probably also safe to say that the following have much larger budgets than us due to much larger crowds:
Brighton Forest Derby Wednesday Leeds
So when you put it like that I think that a top half finish would be a really good achievement. However, our target last season was to be safe and it showed as the players had nothing to play for and no motivation from February onwards. We have to aim for top ten to give the players something to aim at.
The league could be as weak at the bottom as last year (millwall, Blackpool, brentford, Rotherham and Birmingham to struggle) so I don't think that we will be In any danger of going down. However I think it will be stronger at the top and I can see the three relegated teams along with Derby, Wolves and Brighton being very good.
If we improve on last years points total and league position and see some of the promising youngsters improve then it will be a successful season.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Jul 14, 2014 10:21:04 GMT 1
Staying up will do me with the squad we've got and the signings we've made. Anything towards mid table would be a good achievement, anything above that would be superb.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 14, 2014 10:21:37 GMT 1
Think theres 10 clubs who get parachute payments. Your 8 plus Blackpool and Brum i think.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 14, 2014 10:23:25 GMT 1
Think theres 10 clubs who get parachute payments. Your 8 plus Blackpool and Brum i think. Although with them two clubs the payments have parachuted their way into the chairman's back pocket. Allegedly
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 10:30:42 GMT 1
Just a fun, avoiding relegation season with entertaining football.
19th.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Jul 14, 2014 10:50:17 GMT 1
... and I forgot to mention any finish above Leeds would be nice too
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Post by rocky on Jul 14, 2014 11:09:53 GMT 1
Think theres 10 clubs who get parachute payments. Your 8 plus Blackpool and Brum i think. This is copied from the statement by NC. 'With hugely increased parachute payments from last year, by my calculation it means eight clubs will be sharing around £150m and close to half the division will get some form of direct Premier League cash next season'. Against that backdrop & given our level of support, it is totally unrealistic to target a top half finish. Much will depend on keeping Vaughan & Wells fit & also whether Lolley can come good etc. but to answer the question posed in the OP, a finish a few places above last season's is a realistic target. Some are going to find that negative, but we have to be realistic, simple as. Given that we're in the bottom 25% in terms of finances, any finish above 18th could be seen as over achieving anyway. This is likely to be the scenario every season we're in the Championship, unless Town can attract more investment. We'll never be able to increase crowds by enough to make a significant difference. The effect of parachute payments makes the Championship harder & harder to compete in every season that goes by.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jul 14, 2014 11:35:06 GMT 1
Champions we have the best two strikers in the league
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 14, 2014 11:48:30 GMT 1
Think theres 10 clubs who get parachute payments. Your 8 plus Blackpool and Brum i think. This is copied from the statement by NC. 'With hugely increased parachute payments from last year, by my calculation it means eight clubs will be sharing around £150m and close to half the division will get some form of direct Premier League cash next season'. Against that backdrop & given our level of support, it is totally unrealistic to target a top half finish. Much will depend on keeping Vaughan & Wells fit & also whether Lolley can come good etc. but to answer the question posed in the OP, a finish a few places above last season's is a realistic target. Some are going to find that negative, but we have to be realistic, simple as. Given that we're in the bottom 25% in terms of finances, any finish above 18th could be seen as over achieving anyway. This is likely to be the scenario every season we're in the Championship, unless Town can attract more investment. We'll never be able to increase crowds by enough to make a significant difference. The effect of parachute payments makes the Championship harder & harder to compete in every season that goes by. That's where business speak and football speak falls apart isn't it. Its fine for the bean counter in NC to say this but it needs someone from the football side to counter by saying that with a solid and stable financial background we will be aiming to buck that trend and be challenging towards the top of the table. That's what football is all about - blending the individuals in to a team so that the team is better than the individual parts - as the Jerries have just shown us. Costa Rica, Columbia, Burnley are good examples as well. The test for me is that we have some very decent individuals (although a bit short in strength in depth) - can Robbins blend them in to a winning team which rises above the "financial" average? I hope he can - I think we will know by Christmas. PS - and stop worrying about parachute payments - of course they help enormously but we haven't got any - and those that have them often fuck up with them anyway!
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 14, 2014 11:58:02 GMT 1
Think theres 10 clubs who get parachute payments. Your 8 plus Blackpool and Brum i think. This is copied from the statement by NC. 'With hugely increased parachute payments from last year, by my calculation it means eight clubs will be sharing around £150m and close to half the division will get some form of direct Premier League cash next season'. Against that backdrop & given our level of support, it is totally unrealistic to target a top half finish. Much will depend on keeping Vaughan & Wells fit & also whether Lolley can come good etc. but to answer the question posed in the OP, a finish a few places above last season's is a realistic target. Some are going to find that negative, but we have to be realistic, simple as. Given that we're in the bottom 25% in terms of finances, any finish above 18th could be seen as over achieving anyway. This is likely to be the scenario every season we're in the Championship, unless Town can attract more investment. We'll never be able to increase crowds by enough to make a significant difference. The effect of parachute payments makes the Championship harder & harder to compete in every season that goes by. If this is the case, who/what is the club FOR? Is it a (possibly temporary or transient) self aggrandising tool for some foreign (if shady) investor? With this goes the permanent fear of the owner leaving, selling on to another crook investor, who may or may not chose to wind the whole thing up at some stage in the future. Yes, I mean YOU LUFC!! Is it for the fans who attend matches only? In which case, if they want a Premier League team, should they not be expected to pay for it - I guess 20,000 season tickets at £10,000 a pop may go somewhere near to funding it? I cannot forsee a queue forming anytime soon for this option! My view is that the club is a part of the Huddersfield community; it is a local facility that should be sustainable without a mega-rich owner forever ploughing his (her?) money in. If this is the case, we shouldn't be too worried about what our short-term future looks like in terms of either the league we play in or how far up that league we figure. I want Town to be as successful as they can be, but I would never support selling out of the club's objectives for some short term glory.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 14, 2014 11:59:38 GMT 1
This is copied from the statement by NC. 'With hugely increased parachute payments from last year, by my calculation it means eight clubs will be sharing around £150m and close to half the division will get some form of direct Premier League cash next season'. Against that backdrop & given our level of support, it is totally unrealistic to target a top half finish. Much will depend on keeping Vaughan & Wells fit & also whether Lolley can come good etc. but to answer the question posed in the OP, a finish a few places above last season's is a realistic target. Some are going to find that negative, but we have to be realistic, simple as. Given that we're in the bottom 25% in terms of finances, any finish above 18th could be seen as over achieving anyway. This is likely to be the scenario every season we're in the Championship, unless Town can attract more investment. We'll never be able to increase crowds by enough to make a significant difference. The effect of parachute payments makes the Championship harder & harder to compete in every season that goes by. That's where business speak and football speak falls apart isn't it. Its fine for the bean counter in NC to say this but it needs someone from the football side to counter by saying that with a solid and stable financial background we will be aiming to buck that trend and be challenging towards the top of the table. That's what football is all about - blending the individuals in to a team so that the team is better than the individual parts - as the Jerries have just shown us. Costa Rica, Columbia, Burnley are good examples as well. The test for me is that we have some very decent individuals (although a bit short in strength in depth) - can Robbins blend them in to a winning team which rises above the "financial" average? I hope he can - I think we will know by Christmas. PS - and stop worrying about parachute payments - of course they help enormously but we haven't got any - and those that have them often fuck up with them anyway! Blimey, that's a link I never thought I see! It's like New York, Paris, Peckham?!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 12:12:27 GMT 1
For me as long as we stay up im not too bothered where we finish position wise. What i do want to see is some progression of home grown talent which can stand up and be counted playing at Championship level, as it is now evident that the only way that we can progress in this league is to develop our own players. Don't get me wrong like everyone i want to see us do well, however would much prefer to finish 19th and have developed 3-4 young lads who are viewed as genuine 1st team players rather than finish 16th with Dean spending further of his own cash on journey men and squad players
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 12:21:15 GMT 1
realistic target? To piss this league and get promoted. If you don't go into it thinking you are going to win it what's the point?
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 14, 2014 12:28:33 GMT 1
realistic target? To piss this league and get promoted. If you don't go into it thinking you are going to win it what's the point? Too right - and football managers can build that winning mentality. Not sure our CEO can though and if he can't find the right words he ought to keep his gob shut!
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Post by nethertonblue on Jul 14, 2014 12:44:57 GMT 1
Heart says top six doing a Burnley, head says the bookies are rarely wide of the mark so bottom six is more likely. UTT
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jul 14, 2014 13:05:20 GMT 1
This is copied from the statement by NC. 'With hugely increased parachute payments from last year, by my calculation it means eight clubs will be sharing around £150m and close to half the division will get some form of direct Premier League cash next season'. Against that backdrop & given our level of support, it is totally unrealistic to target a top half finish. Much will depend on keeping Vaughan & Wells fit & also whether Lolley can come good etc. but to answer the question posed in the OP, a finish a few places above last season's is a realistic target. Some are going to find that negative, but we have to be realistic, simple as. Given that we're in the bottom 25% in terms of finances, any finish above 18th could be seen as over achieving anyway. This is likely to be the scenario every season we're in the Championship, unless Town can attract more investment. We'll never be able to increase crowds by enough to make a significant difference. The effect of parachute payments makes the Championship harder & harder to compete in every season that goes by. That's where business speak and football speak falls apart isn't it. Its fine for the bean counter in NC to say this but it needs someone from the football side to counter by saying that with a solid and stable financial background we will be aiming to buck that trend and be challenging towards the top of the table. That's what football is all about - blending the individuals in to a team so that the team is better than the individual parts - as the Jerries have just shown us. Costa Rica, Columbia, Burnley are good examples as well. The test for me is that we have some very decent individuals (although a bit short in strength in depth) - can Robbins blend them in to a winning team which rises above the "financial" average? I hope he can - I think we will know by Christmas. PS - and stop worrying about parachute payments - of course they help enormously but we haven't got any - and those that have them often fuck up with them anyway! NC didn't say that, Rocky did! What he did say was pretty close to the next bit of your post. I believed, and still do, that MR deserved another chance, largely because another change in manager may have brought a bit of short term relief from the ridiculous postion we found ourselves in during the second half of the season, but we would still be back to square one in trying to establish a pattern of play - he now has to shape this squad (plus any additions) in to a competitive outfit. He will have a fit Vaughan (and as manager, he needs to find ways of minimising Vaughan's susceptibility to injury), the exciting looking Lolley, a more mature Wells and, hopefully, a decent addition in Peltier (remain to be convinced, but they've bought him). The slack he was cut last season by DH (and a reasonable proportion of fans, but far from overwhelmingly) will soon tighten up if there is a bad start.
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Post by benhomly on Jul 14, 2014 13:16:59 GMT 1
My heart says a top half finish, but my head predicts another relegation scrap. These teams that keep coming down from the Premiership with multi millions are making it difficult for us to compete. Personally I would be delighted to finish 12th. Thoughts? I thought that we competed pretty well against all 3 sides who came down from the Premiership last season. No reason why we can't again.
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Post by benhomly on Jul 14, 2014 13:18:17 GMT 1
When you look at the financial muscle of those coming down and this combined with the ambition of those coming up, factor in our (so far) inactivity in the transfer marketplace, you'd be a fool to imagine anything other than a battle at the wrong end of the table this coming season. Unless, of course, you are one of those who think Robins is a canny tactical and motivational wizard, who is going to work his magical spells on the team and drag us kicking & screaming towards the promised land of the play off positions. Personally, I would rather this though than be in Leeds' shoes at the moment....? If we need to start worrying about the ambition of Brentford and Rotherham then we might as well just pack it in altogether.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 14, 2014 13:23:57 GMT 1
I'm hoping for top ten and thats where we should be capable of finishing by now, but the squad just hasn't got the quality for anything other than a relegation scrap. The league is looking stronger than at anytime since we returned and I'm very concerned.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 14, 2014 13:52:25 GMT 1
I'm hoping for top ten and thats where we should be capable of finishing by now, but the squad just hasn't got the quality for anything other than a relegation scrap. The league is looking stronger than at anytime since we returned and I'm very concerned. the red bits fine. Nowt wrong there at all. the green bit however is a pile of stinking horseshit. Not because we can't be capable of that but anything that implies we 'should' finish top 10 shows no understanding of this division and our standing in it at all IMO
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Post by davidpgowinghtafc on Jul 14, 2014 13:57:33 GMT 1
For me as long as we stay up im not too bothered where we finish position wise. What i do want to see is some progression of home grown talent which can stand up and be counted playing at Championship level, as it is now evident that the only way that we can progress in this league is to develop our own players. Don't get me wrong like everyone i want to see us do well, however would much prefer to finish 19th and have developed 3-4 young lads who are viewed as genuine 1st team players rather than finish 16th with Dean spending further of his own cash on journey men and squad players Unfortunately, Lepton, while I agree with. you what will happen to those 3 or 4? They will be chased by the wealthy clubs and sold to them and go on to great things elsewhere.
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Post by benhomly on Jul 14, 2014 14:01:15 GMT 1
For me as long as we stay up im not too bothered where we finish position wise. What i do want to see is some progression of home grown talent which can stand up and be counted playing at Championship level, as it is now evident that the only way that we can progress in this league is to develop our own players. Don't get me wrong like everyone i want to see us do well, however would much prefer to finish 19th and have developed 3-4 young lads who are viewed as genuine 1st team players rather than finish 16th with Dean spending further of his own cash on journey men and squad players Unfortunately, Lepton, while I agree with. you what will happen to those 3 or 4? They will be chased by the wealthy clubs and sold to them and go on to great things elsewhere. Unlikely. The last time that happened was probably 50 years ago
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 14:21:04 GMT 1
For me as long as we stay up im not too bothered where we finish position wise. What i do want to see is some progression of home grown talent which can stand up and be counted playing at Championship level, as it is now evident that the only way that we can progress in this league is to develop our own players. Don't get me wrong like everyone i want to see us do well, however would much prefer to finish 19th and have developed 3-4 young lads who are viewed as genuine 1st team players rather than finish 16th with Dean spending further of his own cash on journey men and squad players Unfortunately, Lepton, while I agree with. you what will happen to those 3 or 4? They will be chased by the wealthy clubs and sold to them and go on to great things elsewhere. I wouldnt have a problem with that, if it means we progress, and become self sustainable.
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Post by joburgjon on Jul 14, 2014 14:40:11 GMT 1
I would like to see us in the top half. However, with the way the second half of the season went and the inactivity in the transfer market so far, then realistically I would look for us to be somewhere between 14 - 16. That is if key players stay fit, otherwise, I think we could be in trouble. I don't think we have any depth in the squad if we lose 2-3 key players for lengthy periods.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 15:05:20 GMT 1
Anywhere above last season will represent progress. I know that a lot on here won't agree or be satisfied with that, but we are a small fish in a very big pond and simply cannot compete financially with the really big fish. Of paramount importance is the fact that we MUST stay in this division (I won't add "at all costs"!!)
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