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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 1, 2014 14:23:05 GMT 1
He made a bad error at posh that day. remember it well i was there. He hasn't made a high number since though. Anyone who thinks he has needs to watch MOTD more because evrey week on there top class keepers are making the sort of howlers Smithies would be totally lambasted for on here. First season after promotion he made ONE error that cost us a goal! ONE ! yet the constant bitching was always there. Its like Town fans don't realise that NO KEEPER will ever be totally mistake free. They all make them and when they do they tend to be costly. Smithies doesn't make anything like a high number. Peiople are out to destroy him here. My guess would be they slagged him off from the start and now want to be proved right. The ones who prefered Bennett. As for not hearing the fans baracking him? If he doesn't come charging out for EVERY cross , regardless of the fact he won't get to it, there'll be groans and jeers. Some of the balls the experts on here think he should be charging our for are laughable! Of course, if he did and didn't get anywhere near them leaving the goal unguarded then the experts would be slaughtering him for coming charging out! Thats how it works. If he doesn't instantly hoof it accurately to an imaginary forward thats got himself into space within 0.2 seconds of picking the ball up, then again the boos and groans start because his distribution is crap and too slow.. A couple of weeks ago he made a mistake , cost us a goal in a game wed already lost, and minutes later we had people who like to pretend they are great fans chanting for him to be sent off when he was forced by a Lynch blunder to give away a pen. the same great fans who will have been bitterly disappointed when he saved the pen, so they couldn't boo him some more. Suggest these fans are fickle and they get their backs up about it! lol Your not listening - he doesn't make the sort of normal errors you see on MOTD. I don't think anyone would debate that all keepers make errors. His "charging out" errors are indeed laughable. His judgement is shot imho - otherwise he's alright. All those sort of judgemental issues went away when Bennett had his long period in goal. That's all I want from a keeper - I accept they are going to make the odd mistake - like Joe Hart's on Saturday!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 14:39:14 GMT 1
He made a bad error at posh that day. remember it well i was there. He hasn't made a high number since though. Anyone who thinks he has needs to watch MOTD more because evrey week on there top class keepers are making the sort of howlers Smithies would be totally lambasted for on here. First season after promotion he made ONE error that cost us a goal! ONE ! yet the constant bitching was always there. Its like Town fans don't realise that NO KEEPER will ever be totally mistake free. They all make them and when they do they tend to be costly. Smithies doesn't make anything like a high number. Peiople are out to destroy him here. My guess would be they slagged him off from the start and now want to be proved right. The ones who prefered Bennett. As for not hearing the fans baracking him? If he doesn't come charging out for EVERY cross , regardless of the fact he won't get to it, there'll be groans and jeers. Some of the balls the experts on here think he should be charging our for are laughable! Of course, if he did and didn't get anywhere near them leaving the goal unguarded then the experts would be slaughtering him for coming charging out! Thats how it works. If he doesn't instantly hoof it accurately to an imaginary forward thats got himself into space within 0.2 seconds of picking the ball up, then again the boos and groans start because his distribution is crap and too slow.. A couple of weeks ago he made a mistake , cost us a goal in a game wed already lost, and minutes later we had people who like to pretend they are great fans chanting for him to be sent off when he was forced by a Lynch blunder to give away a pen. the same great fans who will have been bitterly disappointed when he saved the pen, so they couldn't boo him some more. Suggest these fans are fickle and they get their backs up about it! lol Your not listening - he doesn't make the sort of normal errors you see on MOTD. I don't think anyone would debate that all keepers make errors. His "charging out" errors are indeed laughable. His judgement is shot imho - otherwise he's alright. All those sort of judgemental issues went away when Bennett had his long period in goal. That's all I want from a keeper - I accept they are going to make the odd mistake - like Joe Hart's on Saturday! Yes because Bennett never came for a thing! You'd get people defending him for not collecting simple balls inside his own 6 yard box, then slagging Smithies off for not charging through 7 players to get a drilled corner to the edge of the box. The standards the two were judged on is completely laughable, and I can only put it down to jealousy. A home town boy made good, it seems that some in the crowd don't like that... His peers did though and voted him player of the year 2 years running. I do agree with your assessment of him mentally, but having a load of bellends that are supposed to be your own fans, boo and get on your back every week won't help. Watford at home last season was a shocker. He made a mistake on a free kick, and the next 2-3 times he came for a cross and caught it there were ironic jeers and sarcastic applause. Absolutely garbage support from those in our crowd.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 1, 2014 14:44:15 GMT 1
Your not listening - he doesn't make the sort of normal errors you see on MOTD. I don't think anyone would debate that all keepers make errors. His "charging out" errors are indeed laughable. His judgement is shot imho - otherwise he's alright. All those sort of judgemental issues went away when Bennett had his long period in goal. That's all I want from a keeper - I accept they are going to make the odd mistake - like Joe Hart's on Saturday! Yes because Bennett never came for a thing! You'd get people defending him for not collecting simple balls inside his own 6 yard box, then slagging Smithies off for not charging through 7 players to get a drilled corner to the edge of the box. The standards the two were judged on is completely laughable, and I can only put it down to jealousy. A home town boy made good, it seems that some in the crowd don't like that... His peers did though and voted him player of the year 2 years running. Don't be daft. I'm judging them on their ability as keepers. I'd prefer Bennett between the posts to Smithies, others may differ but its bugger all to do with jealousy or home town boy made good. I wish he was a fantastic keeper. Sadly I don't think he is.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 1, 2014 14:46:54 GMT 1
Your not listening - he doesn't make the sort of normal errors you see on MOTD. I don't think anyone would debate that all keepers make errors. His "charging out" errors are indeed laughable. His judgement is shot imho - otherwise he's alright. All those sort of judgemental issues went away when Bennett had his long period in goal. That's all I want from a keeper - I accept they are going to make the odd mistake - like Joe Hart's on Saturday! Yes because Bennett never came for a thing! You'd get people defending him for not collecting simple balls inside his own 6 yard box, then slagging Smithies off for not charging through 7 players to get a drilled corner to the edge of the box. The standards the two were judged on is completely laughable, and I can only put it down to jealousy. A home town boy made good, it seems that some in the crowd don't like that... His peers did though and voted him player of the year 2 years running. I do agree with your assessment of him mentally, but having a load of bellends that are supposed to be your own fans, boo and get on your back every week won't help. Watford at home last season was a shocker. He made a mistake on a free kick, and the next 2-3 times he came for a cross and caught it there were ironic jeers and sarcastic applause. Absolutely garbage support from those in our crowd. I think you get bellends like that in every crowd I'm afraid.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 14:49:18 GMT 1
Yes because Bennett never came for a thing! You'd get people defending him for not collecting simple balls inside his own 6 yard box, then slagging Smithies off for not charging through 7 players to get a drilled corner to the edge of the box. The standards the two were judged on is completely laughable, and I can only put it down to jealousy. A home town boy made good, it seems that some in the crowd don't like that... His peers did though and voted him player of the year 2 years running. Don't be daft. I'm judging them on their ability as keepers. I'd prefer Bennett between the posts to Smithies, others may differ but its bugger all to do with jealousy or home town boy made good. I wish he was a fantastic keeper. Sadly I don't think he is. I think you're wrong... There's now a list gathering of people who've come through the academy who after initially supporting, sections of the crowd have turned on after signing a decent contract. Smithies, Hunt, Nathan Clarke, Skarz, Collins etc... Nathan Clarke used to take some horrendous stick in the Kilner where I sat and a load of pillocks used to boo him before the start of each game. Bennett made some good saves, but his command of the box was absolutely none existant, and he could only kick the ball down the middle, rarely reaching the halfway line - yet not one word was ever uttered. The 2 levels they were judged on was so warped it was laughable.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 14:49:43 GMT 1
Yes because Bennett never came for a thing! You'd get people defending him for not collecting simple balls inside his own 6 yard box, then slagging Smithies off for not charging through 7 players to get a drilled corner to the edge of the box. The standards the two were judged on is completely laughable, and I can only put it down to jealousy. A home town boy made good, it seems that some in the crowd don't like that... His peers did though and voted him player of the year 2 years running. I do agree with your assessment of him mentally, but having a load of bellends that are supposed to be your own fans, boo and get on your back every week won't help. Watford at home last season was a shocker. He made a mistake on a free kick, and the next 2-3 times he came for a cross and caught it there were ironic jeers and sarcastic applause. Absolutely garbage support from those in our crowd. I think you get bellends like that in every crowd I'm afraid. Doesn't make it right.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 1, 2014 15:10:58 GMT 1
He made a bad error at posh that day. remember it well i was there. He hasn't made a high number since though. Anyone who thinks he has needs to watch MOTD more because evrey week on there top class keepers are making the sort of howlers Smithies would be totally lambasted for on here. First season after promotion he made ONE error that cost us a goal! ONE ! yet the constant bitching was always there. Its like Town fans don't realise that NO KEEPER will ever be totally mistake free. They all make them and when they do they tend to be costly. Smithies doesn't make anything like a high number. Peiople are out to destroy him here. My guess would be they slagged him off from the start and now want to be proved right. The ones who prefered Bennett. As for not hearing the fans baracking him? If he doesn't come charging out for EVERY cross , regardless of the fact he won't get to it, there'll be groans and jeers. Some of the balls the experts on here think he should be charging our for are laughable! Of course, if he did and didn't get anywhere near them leaving the goal unguarded then the experts would be slaughtering him for coming charging out! Thats how it works. If he doesn't instantly hoof it accurately to an imaginary forward thats got himself into space within 0.2 seconds of picking the ball up, then again the boos and groans start because his distribution is crap and too slow.. A couple of weeks ago he made a mistake , cost us a goal in a game wed already lost, and minutes later we had people who like to pretend they are great fans chanting for him to be sent off when he was forced by a Lynch blunder to give away a pen. the same great fans who will have been bitterly disappointed when he saved the pen, so they couldn't boo him some more. Suggest these fans are fickle and they get their backs up about it! lol Your not listening - he doesn't make the sort of normal errors you see on MOTD. I don't think anyone would debate that all keepers make errors. His "charging out" errors are indeed laughable. His judgement is shot imho - otherwise he's alright. All those sort of judgemental issues went away when Bennett had his long period in goal. That's all I want from a keeper - I accept they are going to make the odd mistake - like Joe Hart's on Saturday! really? Im struggling to think of a time hes come charging out for a cross and not got to it. Enlighten me. he totally ballsed up that cross at derby last season but other than that, you're going to have to help me, and with that he hadn't come charging out at all, he just lost the flight of the ball. Im sure as his judgement is shot, it will be the sort of thing that happens a lot, so you'll have loads of examples that Ive somehow forgot! Either that or its a mahoosive exaggeration of a 'fault' hes supposedly got which in reality practically never happens. SOMETIMES there are crosses that up in stands, in hindsight we can think, yeah- he might have been better off coming for that. JUST LIKE WITH THE BEST KEEPERS. PRACTICALLY NEVER does he come charging out and fail to get the ball, so Ive no idea what you think you're seeing there. Pretty much every time though, he'll either come and deal with the cross and he'll realise he can't get to it and stay on his line and expect his defenders to defend it. ie- make the correct call. Bennet by the way almost never took a cross. It was a standout weakness due to his lack of size. We knew it though and the defence knew every cross was theirs to deal with.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 1, 2014 17:28:06 GMT 1
Your not listening - he doesn't make the sort of normal errors you see on MOTD. I don't think anyone would debate that all keepers make errors. His "charging out" errors are indeed laughable. His judgement is shot imho - otherwise he's alright. All those sort of judgemental issues went away when Bennett had his long period in goal. That's all I want from a keeper - I accept they are going to make the odd mistake - like Joe Hart's on Saturday! really? Im struggling to think of a time hes come charging out for a cross and not got to it. Enlighten me. he totally ballsed up that cross at derby last season but other than that, you're going to have to help me, and with that he hadn't come charging out at all, he just lost the flight of the ball. Im sure as his judgement is shot, it will be the sort of thing that happens a lot, so you'll have loads of examples that Ive somehow forgot! Either that or its a mahoosive exaggeration of a 'fault' hes supposedly got which in reality practically never happens. SOMETIMES there are crosses that up in stands, in hindsight we can think, yeah- he might have been better off coming for that. JUST LIKE WITH THE BEST KEEPERS. PRACTICALLY NEVER does he come charging out and fail to get the ball, so Ive no idea what you think you're seeing there. Pretty much every time though, he'll either come and deal with the cross and he'll realise he can't get to it and stay on his line and expect his defenders to defend it. ie- make the correct call. Bennet by the way almost never took a cross. It was a standout weakness due to his lack of size. We knew it though and the defence knew every cross was theirs to deal with. I'm not too worried about him on crosses - he doesn't make any more of less mistakes than most keepers - and certainly better than Gomis the Watford / Tottenham keeper. The ones I'm worried about he did one in the first 10 minutes at Watford - rushed outside his box when he had less than an evens chance of doing good. As far as I recall he did two like that in the first half v Bournemouth. Poor judgement verging on bonkers. It set the tone for our defeat in the play off at Millwall a few years back when he did something similar. Agree re Bennett - I took that as a plus not a minus.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 1, 2014 20:37:50 GMT 1
Did he get the ball those times v Bournmeouth and at watford? If he did then it was great judgement and probably saved goals. If not then they score or he probably gets red carded. Its as black and white as that. Fine lines those calls for keepers to make. Remember the sunderland keeper v man utd the other day coming flying well out of his box and by the skin of his teeth, JUST getting a toe to the ball before the Man utd player. Great decision but a tiny fraction of a second late and hes sent off and it probably costs them a draw. It would be impossible to get everyone right and I don't think its fair to suggest Smithies gets an unusual number wrong ( the fact you have to remember one from 2009/10 kind of backs that up IMO !! ) Theres been issues with communication with defenders, Gerrard in particular, but its not cost us that i can think of and Im sure its something that can be worked on and improved relatively easily.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 1, 2014 20:48:19 GMT 1
Did he get the ball those times v Bournmeouth and at watford? If he did then it was great judgement and probably saved goals. If not then they score or he probably gets red carded. Its as black and white as that. Fine lines those calls for keepers to make. Remember the sunderland keeper v man utd the other day coming flying well out of his box and by the skin of his teeth, JUST getting a toe to the ball before the Man utd player. Great decision but a tiny fraction of a second late and hes sent off and it probably costs them a draw. It would be impossible to get everyone right and I don't think its fair to suggest Smithies gets an unusual number wrong ( the fact you have to remember one from 2009/10 kind of backs that up IMO !! ) Theres been issues with communication with defenders, Gerrard in particular, but its not cost us that i can think of and Im sure its something that can be worked on and improved relatively easily. No these are not fine .line type decisions - I have no problem with those. Don't think he even got close to the ball.
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Post by buckers on Sept 1, 2014 20:49:02 GMT 1
What about Leeds away last season when he came charging out of his box took out our own defender and left their player to walk the ball into the net? That's one clannger i can think of. He is probe to the odd mistake. Problem is for a keeper you balls it up it cost the team a goal.
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Post by shawsie on Sept 1, 2014 20:49:41 GMT 1
Don't be daft. I'm judging them on their ability as keepers. I'd prefer Bennett between the posts to Smithies, others may differ but its bugger all to do with jealousy or home town boy made good. I wish he was a fantastic keeper. Sadly I don't think he is. I think you're wrong... There's now a list gathering of people who've come through the academy who after initially supporting, sections of the crowd have turned on after signing a decent contract. Smithies, Hunt, Nathan Clarke, Skarz, Collins etc... Nathan Clarke used to take some horrendous stick in the Kilner where I sat and a load of pillocks used to boo him before the start of each game. Bennett made some good saves, but his command of the box was absolutely none existant, and he could only kick the ball down the middle, rarely reaching the halfway line - yet not one word was ever uttered. The 2 levels they were judged on was so warped it was laughable. I don't think it's the contract situation, but more a perception that he hadn't progressed as we all had hoped.....this isn't after all new to some of our home grown talent. When he came in many were predicting full England honours etc and some are disappointed that at 24 ish he is a decent championship keeper and no more than that. It's still an impressive achievement and he has years still ahead of him to push on mind!!! Re Bennett - because his limitations were more pronounced the team got him out of the shite many times by covering him. Smithies doesn't have them so every mistake is highlighted more, maybe because the rest of the team don't anticipate the weaknesses.
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Post by rantinray on Sept 1, 2014 20:55:31 GMT 1
Smithies generally has been poor for quite sometime. His command of area is poor too time for Murphy to have a run of games although I fear we will continue to ship goals without new central defenders. This is not a new problem and I fully agree with your post hotshot.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 2, 2014 23:46:56 GMT 1
Did he get the ball those times v Bournmeouth and at watford? If he did then it was great judgement and probably saved goals. If not then they score or he probably gets red carded. Its as black and white as that. Fine lines those calls for keepers to make. Remember the sunderland keeper v man utd the other day coming flying well out of his box and by the skin of his teeth, JUST getting a toe to the ball before the Man utd player. Great decision but a tiny fraction of a second late and hes sent off and it probably costs them a draw. It would be impossible to get everyone right and I don't think its fair to suggest Smithies gets an unusual number wrong ( the fact you have to remember one from 2009/10 kind of backs that up IMO !! ) Theres been issues with communication with defenders, Gerrard in particular, but its not cost us that i can think of and Im sure its something that can be worked on and improved relatively easily. No these are not fine .line type decisions - I have no problem with those. Don't think he even got close to the ball. So watford and bournemouth scored then? If he came charging out and didn't get anywhere near the ball, then presumably watford scored their chance and Bournemouth scored both theirs? Either that happened or he actually did enough to stop them scoring when through on goal and you're criticising him for that?
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 3, 2014 0:28:27 GMT 1
No these are not fine .line type decisions - I have no problem with those. Don't think he even got close to the ball. So watford and bournemouth scored then? If he came charging out and didn't get anywhere near the ball, then presumably watford scored their chance and Bournemouth scored both theirs? Either that happened or he actually did enough to stop them scoring when through on goal and you're criticising him for that? Its the mad dashes out (lost count of the number of times), the jittery falling on the ball on the simplest of saves and the collection of bizarre own goals (that's what they are rather than standard goalie mistakes), that combine to make me believe he needs a little psychological help from the club because that's where his problems lie imho I think there is a top class keeper in there but he needs to get these problems sorted, or he will stay a poor one. I agree he can do worldies as well - often in the same match! Lets close this thread by agreeing that now he has got a decent defender in front of him he'll only make normal goalie mistakes in the future.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Sept 8, 2014 10:30:26 GMT 1
So watford and bournemouth scored then? If he came charging out and didn't get anywhere near the ball, then presumably watford scored their chance and Bournemouth scored both theirs? Either that happened or he actually did enough to stop them scoring when through on goal and you're criticising him for that? Its the mad dashes out (lost count of the number of times), the jittery falling on the ball on the simplest of saves and the collection of bizarre own goals (that's what they are rather than standard goalie mistakes), that combine to make me believe he needs a little psychological help from the club because that's where his problems lie imho I think there is a top class keeper in there but he needs to get these problems sorted, or he will stay a poor one. I agree he can do worldies as well - often in the same match! Lets close this thread by agreeing that now he has got a decent defender in front of him he'll only make normal goalie mistakes in the future. .... or not? Just looked at player stats on Squawka (I DO love a stat!) - Smithies is bottom (by a mile) of the list of Championship players - Harsh in my opinion as he is even below Blackpool goalie!
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Post by ritchie on Sept 8, 2014 14:25:22 GMT 1
Its the mad dashes out (lost count of the number of times), the jittery falling on the ball on the simplest of saves and the collection of bizarre own goals (that's what they are rather than standard goalie mistakes), that combine to make me believe he needs a little psychological help from the club because that's where his problems lie imho I think there is a top class keeper in there but he needs to get these problems sorted, or he will stay a poor one. I agree he can do worldies as well - often in the same match! Lets close this thread by agreeing that now he has got a decent defender in front of him he'll only make normal goalie mistakes in the future. .... or not? Just looked at player stats on Squawka (I DO love a stat!) - Smithies is bottom (by a mile) of the list of Championship players - Harsh in my opinion as he is even below Blackpool goalie! 18th out of 52 last season - and thats playing the 3rd most minutes (which will raise chance of error) out of all GKs.... then take into account this season we started with a RB at CB and shipped 4 goals, only had 2 defenders fit with last seasons best defender out injured....think it's harsh to use stats against him at this point
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Post by Essex Terrier on Sept 8, 2014 16:04:44 GMT 1
.... or not? Just looked at player stats on Squawka (I DO love a stat!) - Smithies is bottom (by a mile) of the list of Championship players - Harsh in my opinion as he is even below Blackpool goalie! 18th out of 52 last season - and thats playing the 3rd most minutes (which will raise chance of error) out of all GKs.... then take into account this season we started with a RB at CB and shipped 4 goals, only had 2 defenders fit with last seasons best defender out injured....think it's harsh to use stats against him at this point I know, I know, I know!!!!, but it just leapt out at me - Smithies is never the worst keeper in this division. But I just can't resist a statistic, even a poor one! Statistically speaking, of course you need more that 5 data points to reach a conclusion anyway, so let's give it 7 or 8 more games and see where he is then?
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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 8, 2014 16:09:48 GMT 1
See the difference a good quality decision making central defender makes. Smithies is young and will learn. Keepers can play till there 35 through to forty if they stay fit. Smithies is what....? 24? Huddersfield town lad through and through and is committed to the club. I for one will never forget May 2012 as Iam sure most on here won't do either however, I'm not delusional and know this doesn't make him a guaranteed starter every game for the next decade. I will reserve judgement till hudsons embedded and has majority of box dealings to take some of the pressure off him UTT
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 8, 2014 16:28:40 GMT 1
Powell will obviously be watching both him and Murphy this week and could go with Murphy on Saturday, who knows.
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 8, 2014 16:39:05 GMT 1
Powell will obviously be watching both him and Murphy this week and could go with Murphy on Saturday, who knows. Thanks for that Nick.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 8, 2014 16:53:36 GMT 1
Powell will obviously be watching both him and Murphy this week and could go with Murphy on Saturday, who knows. Thanks for that Nick. No probs, It seems obvious, hope he goes with Murphy.
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Post by nuneatonterrierdan on Sept 8, 2014 16:53:31 GMT 1
Let's get rid of the whole team, get the Halifax team on loan and start moaning about them on sat night
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Post by hypotenuse on Sept 8, 2014 18:24:38 GMT 1
Some supporters are like archetypal playground bullies - they have to have someone to pillory. Many moons ago it was Dave Cowling (who provided more assists than other player at the time) and last year it seemed to be Anthony Gerrard (our best defender by some distance). There are countless others - perhaps Smithies can console himself that it seems to be good players who take all the crap.
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Post by Jello Biafra on Sept 8, 2014 18:39:42 GMT 1
No probs, It seems obvious, hope he goes with Murphy. Woooooooosh!!!
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 8, 2014 18:44:50 GMT 1
No probs, It seems obvious, hope he goes with Murphy. Hope Boro put all their attempts either at him or in the air then cos I don't think I've ever seen a keeper go down as slowly as Murphy
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