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Post by teddytheterrier on Sept 23, 2014 13:08:42 GMT 1
In the Sunday Times they reckoned Clark could be in line for the Newcastle job if Pardew goes. Dunno whether to laugh or cry!!! Be a good shout
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 23, 2014 15:17:26 GMT 1
We need him too .
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Post by Essex Terrier on Sept 23, 2014 15:42:29 GMT 1
Fo Shua!!
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 23, 2014 16:38:10 GMT 1
Had a lot to do with greatest unbeaten run in football league history, for shuaaaa.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Sept 24, 2014 10:29:32 GMT 1
Had a lot to do with greatest unbeaten run in football league history, for shuaaaa. Yeah some good memories of Clark managing here!
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Post by lankystreak on Sept 24, 2014 10:44:28 GMT 1
Had a lot to do with greatest unbeaten run in football league history, for shuaaaa. Yeah some good memories of Clark managing here! Yeah, you're right, I remember the promotion parties and open top bus parades when our squad of one of the most expensively assembled and best paid teams ever to grace League One in recent years romped to promotion...... Oh, sorry, just remembered that didn't actually happen as Lee Clark MASSIVELY underachieved with the resources he was given. As stated many times before, only one man was responsible for our promotion from League 1, Ched Evans.
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Post by 3Pipe on Sept 24, 2014 10:52:42 GMT 1
Yeah some good memories of Clark managing here! Yeah, you're right, I remember the promotion parties and open top bus parades when our squad of one of the most expensively assembled and best paid teams ever to grace League One in recent years romped to promotion...... Oh, sorry, just remembered that didn't actually happen as Lee Clark MASSIVELY underachieved with the resources he was given. As stated many times before, only one man was responsible for our promotion from League 1, Ched Evans. Disingenuous bollocks.
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Post by lankystreak on Sept 24, 2014 11:02:06 GMT 1
Its my honest opinion 3Pipe, especially the bit about Evans. Up until he got sent down Sheff Utd were flying and would have easily got 2nd spot, after which Wednesday would have demolished us in the play offs.
If you really think that any other manager with the backing that Clark had couldn't have done as good a job as he did then I am stunned. As mentioned earlier Chris Powell beat us by 20 points with a smaller budget.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Sept 24, 2014 11:48:39 GMT 1
Don't understand the negativity around Clark personally! When a lot on hete bang on about how fantastic Grayson was for us, he just took Clark's team over the line!
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Post by lankystreak on Sept 24, 2014 12:17:48 GMT 1
Don't understand the negativity around Clark personally! When a lot on hete bang on about how fantastic Grayson was for us, he just took Clark's team over the line! I'm in agreement with you here regarding Grayson, IMO he was brought in to push for 2nd spot (weren't we 7 points off it when he came in??) he didn't really improve us at all for the remainder of the season and the play offs were the weakest they had been in years due to the 3rd place team in reality being a mid table team without their focal point.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Sept 24, 2014 12:20:44 GMT 1
Don't understand the negativity around Clark personally! When a lot on hete bang on about how fantastic Grayson was for us, he just took Clark's team over the line! I'm in agreement with you here regarding Grayson, IMO he was brought in to push for 2nd spot (weren't we 7 points off it when he came in??) he didn't really improve us at all for the remainder of the season and the play offs were the weakest they had been in years due to the 3rd place team in reality being a mid table team without their focal point. Never liked Grayson!
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 24, 2014 15:50:31 GMT 1
Yeah some good memories of Clark managing here! Yeah, you're right, I remember the promotion parties and open top bus parades when our squad of one of the most expensively assembled and best paid teams ever to grace League One in recent years romped to promotion...... Oh, sorry, just remembered that didn't actually happen as Lee Clark MASSIVELY underachieved with the resources he was given. As stated many times before, only one man was responsible for our promotion from League 1, Ched Evans. He changed the club tho IMO, and entertained us tho lanky, life is a cabaret old son, not all about winning. But he got the record unbeaten run aswel at little old Udders.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 18:48:01 GMT 1
Why do people look for excuses in us getting promoted? We got promoted and we deserved to go up. If Sheffield had beaten us on penalties it would have been an injustice on the fact we were the better team on the day. So their was no Ched Evans. That's football, teams carry injuries or in this case a rapist. Agree about Lee Clark though. Expensive squad, failed to get us up, got sacked. Never mind, eh.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 18:55:57 GMT 1
I'm in agreement with you here regarding Grayson, IMO he was brought in to push for 2nd spot (weren't we 7 points off it when he came in??) he didn't really improve us at all for the remainder of the season and the play offs were the weakest they had been in years due to the 3rd place team in reality being a mid table team without their focal point. Never liked Grayson! Why?
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 24, 2014 19:00:16 GMT 1
Yeah some good memories of Clark managing here! Yeah, you're right, I remember the promotion parties and open top bus parades when our squad of one of the most expensively assembled and best paid teams ever to grace League One in recent years romped to promotion...... Oh, sorry, just remembered that didn't actually happen as Lee Clark MASSIVELY underachieved with the resources he was given. As stated many times before, only one man was responsible for our promotion from League 1, Ched Evans. In the first 2 full years at the club, the teams with bigger budgets got promoted. Norwich, L666s, Brighton and Southampton had bigger budgets than Town, just because Clark got great backing, better than any Town manager had received since Bruce, in terms of the division we finished about where our budget reflected. MASSIVELY underachieving IMO is an inaccurate description. Some say that he should have been sacked after Old Trafford, and while we did get worse that season it was as a result of selling Pilkington and Peltier and no longer having Kilbane. Our results did get worse under Grayson, though he did manage to get us promoted, mainly thanks to football's equivalent of a coin flip. I'm not sure Grayson is a better manager than Clark but he was definitely luckier.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 24, 2014 19:06:30 GMT 1
He had. A 49. %. Win rate in his time at town which IMO is good
He currently is on. 28.5. %. Win rate.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 19:09:28 GMT 1
Results didn't get much worse under Grayson, they just about continued and he got us over the line by being the better team in the playoffs against MK Dons and Sheffield. Compare that to how we were against Millwall and Peterborough (teams with lower budgets). Grayson has shown he's a better manager by what he's done at Blackpool, Leeds and Preston. You hardly hear these 3 clubs wanting to hang him by his bollocks like Birmingham fans do with Clark.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 19:19:53 GMT 1
Yeah, you're right, I remember the promotion parties and open top bus parades when our squad of one of the most expensively assembled and best paid teams ever to grace League One in recent years romped to promotion...... Oh, sorry, just remembered that didn't actually happen as Lee Clark MASSIVELY underachieved with the resources he was given. As stated many times before, only one man was responsible for our promotion from League 1, Ched Evans. In the first 2 full years at the club, the teams with bigger budgets got promoted. Norwich, L666s, Brighton and Southampton had bigger budgets than Town, just because Clark got great backing, better than any Town manager had received since Bruce, in terms of the division we finished about where our budget reflected. MASSIVELY underachieving IMO is an inaccurate description. Some say that he should have been sacked after Old Trafford, and while we did get worse that season it was as a result of selling Pilkington and Peltier and no longer having Kilbane. Our results did get worse under Grayson, though he did manage to get us promoted, mainly thanks to football's equivalent of a coin flip. I'm not sure Grayson is a better manager than Clark but he was definitely luckier. Not sure Brighton had a bigger budget and I know that Leeds didn't have a bigger budget. I'll take your word about Norwich and Southampton. I think they would have had a bigger wage bill due to having players who played for them in the championship and premier lge. People were saying Charlton had a bigger budget until Dean Hoyle put that right. As far as Leeds go, I remember my mate taking the piss that we couldn't get promoted despite spending a fortune whilst they hardly bought anyone.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 24, 2014 19:44:28 GMT 1
In the first 2 full years at the club, the teams with bigger budgets got promoted. Norwich, L666s, Brighton and Southampton had bigger budgets than Town, just because Clark got great backing, better than any Town manager had received since Bruce, in terms of the division we finished about where our budget reflected. MASSIVELY underachieving IMO is an inaccurate description. Some say that he should have been sacked after Old Trafford, and while we did get worse that season it was as a result of selling Pilkington and Peltier and no longer having Kilbane. Our results did get worse under Grayson, though he did manage to get us promoted, mainly thanks to football's equivalent of a coin flip. I'm not sure Grayson is a better manager than Clark but he was definitely luckier. Not sure Brighton had a bigger budget and I know that Leeds didn't have a bigger budget. I'll take your word about Norwich and Southampton. I think they would have had a bigger wage bill due to having players who played for them in the championship and premier lge. People were saying Charlton had a bigger budget until Dean Hoyle put that right. As far as Leeds go, I remember my mate taking the piss that we couldn't get promoted despite spending a fortune whilst they hardly bought anyone. I am including wages not just transfer spending when I refer to budgets. I maintain that Norwich, Brighton, Southampton AND L666s had bigger budgets. If you disagree find theirs and our accounts for that season rather than simply looking at expenditure in the preseason transfer market.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 19:53:44 GMT 1
Why should I waste my time trying to get figures I won't be able to get hold of. You get them.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 24, 2014 19:56:49 GMT 1
Why should I waste my time trying to get figures I won't be able to get hold of. You get them. It's better evidence than listening to a gloating L666s fan, but hey if that's what you use as evidence it's no wonder you have such a high regard for Grayson
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 24, 2014 19:59:50 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 20:00:50 GMT 1
I'm sure it is better evidence, having the figures in my hand. It's also better evidence than what you have quoted on here. Neither of us are gonna be proved right or wrong, but the fact is Leeds got promoted and then came close to getting in the championship playoffs. Bigger budget or not that's a damn sight better than were Clark took Town.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 24, 2014 20:08:59 GMT 1
I'm sure it is better evidence, having the figures in my hand. It's also better evidence than what you have quoted on here. Neither of us are gonna be proved right or wrong, but the fact is Leeds got promoted and then came close to getting in the championship playoffs. Bigger budget or not that's a damn sight better than were Clark took Town. And with a bigger budget, better results are expected. My original point was that the automatically promoted clubs from League one in Clark's first 2 full seasons had bigger budgets and therefore he didn't MASSIVELY underachieve. You will disagree because you dislike Clark, but personal dislike doesn't change the facts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 20:17:37 GMT 1
I'm sure it is better evidence, having the figures in my hand. It's also better evidence than what you have quoted on here. Neither of us are gonna be proved right or wrong, but the fact is Leeds got promoted and then came close to getting in the championship playoffs. Bigger budget or not that's a damn sight better than were Clark took Town. And with a bigger budget, better results are expected. My original point was that the automatically promoted clubs from League one in Clark's first 2 full seasons had bigger budgets and therefore he didn't MASSIVELY underachieve. You will disagree because you dislike Clark, but personal dislike doesn't change the facts. I didn't say MASSIVELY underachieved, that was someone else. I was saying that neither of us can prove who had the bigger budget, but Leeds did a lot better with what they had, bigger budget or not. Like us, they would have been one of the worse off teams in the championship once they got there, but still managed to finish 7th. If for the sake of argument Norwich and Leeds had a bigger budget in 2010, then that's only 2 teams, likewise in 2011 with Saints and Brighton and we didn't manage to get the 3rd promotion spot in 2010 or 2011 and didn't look like we would in 2012.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 24, 2014 20:31:55 GMT 1
And with a bigger budget, better results are expected. My original point was that the automatically promoted clubs from League one in Clark's first 2 full seasons had bigger budgets and therefore he didn't MASSIVELY underachieve. You will disagree because you dislike Clark, but personal dislike doesn't change the facts. I didn't say MASSIVELY underachieved, that was someone else. I was saying that neither of us can prove who had the bigger budget, but Leeds did a lot better with what they had, bigger budget or not. Like us, they would have been one of the worse off teams in the championship once they got there, but still managed to finish 7th. If for the sake of argument Norwich and Leeds had a bigger budget in 2010, then that's only 2 teams, likewise in 2011 with Saints and Brighton and we didn't manage to get the 3rd promotion spot in 2010 or 2011 and didn't look like we would in 2012. I never said you did but YOU replied to my original response. The 3rd promotion spot as you are well aware, is not given to the 3rd best team in the league, if it was we would have been promoted with Southampton and Brighton, it is gained through the lottery of the playoffs. We have been promoted 3 times through the playoffs and yet finished in the place immediately below the autos just once. Do I need to get you the figures for the teams finishing third not being promoted through the playoffs?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 20:50:34 GMT 1
I didn't say MASSIVELY underachieved, that was someone else. I was saying that neither of us can prove who had the bigger budget, but Leeds did a lot better with what they had, bigger budget or not. Like us, they would have been one of the worse off teams in the championship once they got there, but still managed to finish 7th. If for the sake of argument Norwich and Leeds had a bigger budget in 2010, then that's only 2 teams, likewise in 2011 with Saints and Brighton and we didn't manage to get the 3rd promotion spot in 2010 or 2011 and didn't look like we would in 2012. I never said you did but YOU replied to my original response. The 3rd promotion spot as you are well aware, is not given to the 3rd best team in the league, if it was we would have been promoted with Southampton and Norwich, it is gained through the lottery of the playoffs. We have been promoted 3 times through the playoffs and yet finished in the place immediately below the autos just once. Do I need to get you the figures for the teams finishing third not being promoted through the playoffs? Ok, but I was questioning your take on budgets that teams had compared to Town, not the point you were making in response to the poster in relation to massively under achieving. My take on it, is that massively underachieved is a bit harsh - Underachieved and it was right he got sacked and isn't worth having a thread on him every week or so as if he performed miracles is a fairer assessment.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 24, 2014 20:55:08 GMT 1
I never said you did but YOU replied to my original response. The 3rd promotion spot as you are well aware, is not given to the 3rd best team in the league, if it was we would have been promoted with Southampton and Norwich, it is gained through the lottery of the playoffs. We have been promoted 3 times through the playoffs and yet finished in the place immediately below the autos just once. Do I need to get you the figures for the teams finishing third not being promoted through the playoffs? Ok, but I was questioning your take on budgets that teams had compared to Town, not the point you were making in response to the poster in relation to massively under achieving. My take on it, is that massively underachieved is a bit harsh - Underachieved and it was right he got sacked and isn't worth having a thread on him every week or so as if he performed miracles is a fairer assessment. FYI to tell you gloating L666s friend 2009/10 football budget L666s United £7.7M 2009/10 Football budget Hudds Town £7.21M Evidence L666sTown
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 21:08:02 GMT 1
Ok, but I was questioning your take on budgets that teams had compared to Town, not the point you were making in response to the poster in relation to massively under achieving. My take on it, is that massively underachieved is a bit harsh - Underachieved and it was right he got sacked and isn't worth having a thread on him every week or so as if he performed miracles is a fairer assessment. FYI to tell you gloating L666s friend 2009/10 football budget L666s United £7.7M 2009/10 Football budget Hudds Town £7.21M Evidence L666sTownThat doesn't show Towns budget and let's be fair if this is correct and Leeds had a bigger budget, if your figures are correct, theirs not a lot in it. As I've said in a previous post, you might be right, but going back to my point, which was something along the lines of, "bigger budget or not, Leeds went a damn sight further than where Clark took Town". I also said that players wages will be higher for teams who still have players signed in the championship on their books. Do you think that where Clark took Town compared to where Leeds went under Grayson is better or worse?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 21:09:31 GMT 1
Sorry, I didn't see theTown link, but my points still stand.
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