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Post by Tinpot on Oct 25, 2014 18:31:09 GMT 1
The Marcus Stewart of 1999 - he was able to create something from nothing & set up chances for others with stunning regularity. Also, did it at the top end of (what is now) the championship (& then went on to be top English goalscorer in the Premier League with Ipswich), vs Rhodes scoring a shedload of goals in Lg1.
Rhodes was (is) class, but really no contest for me.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 25, 2014 19:36:48 GMT 1
Only one choice. Has to be Stewart. Just as good at scoring and a real team player, with ability. Rhodes never my favourite (cue derision......) If he's so good, why has no Premiership team bought him? I concur Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 25, 2014 22:50:13 GMT 1
I think to make a fullproof decision I would've liked to have seen JR play a full season for us in the championship. Both superb natural finishers but Stewie played in a very decent 2nd team and Rhodes a not that good 3rd tier one. Probably my two favourite players, guys that delivered and were unplayable on their day. The hatred and criticism of Rhodes is silly & unjust imo. Stewart had all the qualities of a top attacking midfielder as well as his finishing ability and don't forget he went on to look just as good and effective in the Premiership. You would need to see Rhodes play at the highest level for any meaningful comparison.
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Post by impact on Oct 25, 2014 23:01:54 GMT 1
Only one choice. Has to be Stewart. Just as good at scoring and a real team player, with ability. Rhodes never my favourite (cue derision......) If he's so good, why has no Premiership team bought him?If? Really? He scored 52 championship goals in 2 seasons adding to his 72 in 3 in league 1. But you're right, he's no good. The only reason he isn't in the Prem is that Blackburn are pricing him out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 23:06:25 GMT 1
Stewart for me, I enjoyed watching him ply his trade. Rhodes very, very good but clinical finishing isn't as easy on the eye. for me anyway.
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Post by hypotenuse on Oct 25, 2014 23:10:41 GMT 1
Staggered that anyone would even consider Rhodes I'm the same breath as Stewart. Both great finishers but so much more to Stewart's game. My Blackburn supporting mate doesn't rate Rhodes as the best striker at the club now - says Gestede is different class.
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Oct 25, 2014 23:19:08 GMT 1
As much as I loved watching Stewart, Rhodes dragged us back into the Championship so his impact was more tangible for this club. He then left for a big whack which has helped us gradually build a championship standard team.
Heart says Stewart, head says Rhodes had the biggest impact on this club.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Oct 25, 2014 23:25:49 GMT 1
No contest, Stewart by a country mile. We were incredibly lucky because he was far too good to be playing for us.
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Post by Beech's Nuts on Oct 25, 2014 23:36:56 GMT 1
As much as I loved watching Stewart, Rhodes dragged us back into the Championship so his impact was more tangible for this club. He then left for a big whack which has helped us gradually build a championship standard team. Heart says Stewart, head says Rhodes had the biggest impact on this club. Had he not been sold, to Ipswich, Stewart would have got us promoted to the Prem.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 9:54:05 GMT 1
Relax chaps - you don't have to make this call, you are allowed to like them both!
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Post by 007Berlin on Oct 26, 2014 9:57:54 GMT 1
I vote wells!
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Post by AndySk on Oct 26, 2014 11:36:57 GMT 1
Only one choice. Has to be Stewart. Just as good at scoring and a real team player, with ability. Rhodes never my favourite (cue derision......) If he's so good, why has no Premiership team bought him? I'm a massive Rhodes fan, he's scored lots on a regular basis but never had a serious offer from a Prem club. There must be something there putting teams off cos as a goal scorer he's best outside Prem. Same with Scotland, he doesn't seem to be getting much of a chance for them.
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 26, 2014 12:29:22 GMT 1
Stewart comes out on top. Unsurprisingly. Rose tinted glasses. It's a bit like when Wednesday fans try to say Waddle was better than Beckham. It's not like Wendies fans trying to say Waddle was better than Beckham, because BOTH played for us. It's more like Wendies fans saying Waddle was better than Andy Sinton. Besides, the way your post comes across you think that the choice between Waddle and Beckham is clear. It's not. Beckham's heart vs Waddle's creativity. Could be argued either way.
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Post by yanfan on Oct 26, 2014 12:43:34 GMT 1
Jordan Rhodes ---no doubts at all---Scotland are stupid for not having him start every time.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 26, 2014 13:29:25 GMT 1
Stewart comes out on top. Unsurprisingly. Rose tinted glasses. It's a bit like when Wednesday fans try to say Waddle was better than Beckham. It's not like Wendies fans trying to say Waddle was better than Beckham, because BOTH played for us. It's more like Wendies fans saying Waddle was better than Andy Sinton. Besides, the way your post comes across you think that the choice between Waddle and Beckham is clear. It's not. Beckham's heart vs Waddle's creativity. Could be argued either way. Why would anyone compare Beckham and Waddle - they were completely different types of players.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 26, 2014 13:30:59 GMT 1
Only one choice. Has to be Stewart. Just as good at scoring and a real team player, with ability. Rhodes never my favourite (cue derision......) If he's so good, why has no Premiership team bought him? I'm a massive Rhodes fan, he's scored lots on a regular basis but never had a serious offer from a Prem club. There must be something there putting teams off cos as a goal scorer he's best outside Prem. Same with Scotland, he doesn't seem to be getting much of a chance for them. Its because they don't think he is good enough outside the box. Its a team game.
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 26, 2014 13:32:39 GMT 1
It's not like Wendies fans trying to say Waddle was better than Beckham, because BOTH played for us. It's more like Wendies fans saying Waddle was better than Andy Sinton. Besides, the way your post comes across you think that the choice between Waddle and Beckham is clear. It's not. Beckham's heart vs Waddle's creativity. Could be argued either way. Why would anyone compare Beckham and Waddle - they were completely different types of players. So were Stewart and Rhodes.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 26, 2014 13:39:15 GMT 1
Why would anyone compare Beckham and Waddle - they were completely different types of players. So were Stewart and Rhodes. They had quite a lot in common, both playing for Town as strikers....but I agree they were different types of strikers. Rhodes didn't have Stewarts qualities outside the box. Stewart had Rhodes' qualities inside the box. Also keep in mind we were playing at a higher level with Stewart - we could / should have won the Championship in the year he was flogged. He made Ipswich into a Premiership side and looked quality at that level too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 14:39:03 GMT 1
Stewart comes out on top. Unsurprisingly. Rose tinted glasses. It's a bit like when Wednesday fans try to say Waddle was better than Beckham. It's not like Wendies fans trying to say Waddle was better than Beckham, because BOTH played for us. It's more like Wendies fans saying Waddle was better than Andy Sinton. Besides, the way your post comes across you think that the choice between Waddle and Beckham is clear. It's not. Beckham's heart vs Waddle's creativity. Could be argued either way.
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 26, 2014 14:58:20 GMT 1
It's not like Wendies fans trying to say Waddle was better than Beckham, because BOTH played for us. It's more like Wendies fans saying Waddle was better than Andy Sinton. Besides, the way your post comes across you think that the choice between Waddle and Beckham is clear. It's not. Beckham's heart vs Waddle's creativity. Could be argued either way. Good point, articulately presented. Toss pot.
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 26, 2014 15:15:51 GMT 1
So were Stewart and Rhodes. They had quite a lot in common, both playing for Town as strikers....but I agree they were different types of strikers. Rhodes didn't have Stewarts qualities outside the box. Stewart had Rhodes' qualities inside the box. Also keep in mind we were playing at a higher level with Stewart - we could / should have won the Championship in the year he was flogged. He made Ipswich into a Premiership side and looked quality at that level too. Beckham & Waddle also had quite a lot in common, both playing for England as wide midfielders... Other than that I mostly agree with you, save for Stewart having Rhodes' qualities inside the box (Rhodes was definitely better in the air than Stewart - although Stewy was far better from the penalty spot!) & it's debateable whether we'd have won the championship with him in the side. When he was sold we were one of 5 clubs having broken away from the rest of the chasing pack - promotion wasn't nailed on but tbh I still think we would have gone up had we kept him. If we were to put together a HTFC XI from the last 30 years, Stewart & Rhodes would be up front in most if not all town fans' sides. However, as I said before, Stewart in 1999 definitely superior to Rhodes in 2012.
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Post by kennyk2 on Oct 26, 2014 15:27:12 GMT 1
It looks as though there is something about Rhodes' style of play that doesn't impress some managers - rightly or wrongly. He's certainly nowhere near the Scotland squad at the moment and I think that LC was always looking for bit more from him. I think you'd describe him as one of those players who goes missing until he gets anywhere near scoring, which he does more often than not when in good positions. It sure is not enough for some managers though.
It'll be a real shame if he never gets a chance in the Premier League to show if he's good enough.
Oh! and Stewart every day of the week for me!
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 26, 2014 15:36:10 GMT 1
They had quite a lot in common, both playing for Town as strikers....but I agree they were different types of strikers. Rhodes didn't have Stewarts qualities outside the box. Stewart had Rhodes' qualities inside the box. Also keep in mind we were playing at a higher level with Stewart - we could / should have won the Championship in the year he was flogged. He made Ipswich into a Premiership side and looked quality at that level too. Beckham & Waddle also had quite a lot in common, both playing for England as wide midfielders... Other than that I mostly agree with you, save for Stewart having Rhodes' qualities inside the box (Rhodes was definitely better in the air than Stewart - although Stewy was far better from the penalty spot!) & it's debateable whether we'd have won the championship with him in the side. When he was sold we were one of 5 clubs having broken away from the rest of the chasing pack - promotion wasn't nailed on but tbh I still think we would have gone up had we kept him. If we were to put together a HTFC XI from the last 30 years, Stewart & Rhodes would be up front in most if not all town fans' sides. However, as I said before, Stewart in 1999 definitely superior to Rhodes in 2012. It would be Stewart and Booth for me! Stewart was excellent in the air but I'll agree Rhodes was something special converting a load of headed chances...my favourite being the one in the play off game at MK Dons.
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 26, 2014 15:49:35 GMT 1
Very difficult to split them IMO. Both great players, I don't see any obvious difference between them in terms of quality. I'd probably re-sign Rhodes because hed be the younger of the two in those respective seasons. Think Rhodes will go on to have a much better career than Stewy did. A much better career? I'm not sure about that. MS was unlucky to hit his peak at the same time as Teddy Sheringham - and even then was considered by many to be unlucky not to get a call-up iirc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000%E2%80%9301_FA_Premier_League#Top_scorersOK, JR has played for his country, but Scotland are hardly the force England were in Sven's early days as manager! If we're going to compare how good Rhodes is now for Blackburn vs how good Marcus Stewart was at that age, then it's no contest - a 24 year old Rhodes is better than a 24 year old Marcus Stewart. Marcus Stewart wasn't really anything special under Horton and despite what I said earlier, that could probably be taken into account. Then again - JR was left out of the playoff final for tactical reasons*, it was only his final season with us that he REALLY took off. * Yes, I know it was controversial even at the time, but JR was nowhere near as good then as he is now. It's easy to be wise after the event.
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Post by impact on Oct 26, 2014 16:02:31 GMT 1
Very difficult to split them IMO. Both great players, I don't see any obvious difference between them in terms of quality. I'd probably re-sign Rhodes because hed be the younger of the two in those respective seasons. Think Rhodes will go on to have a much better career than Stewy did. A much better career? I'm not sure about that. MS was unlucky to hit his peak at the same time as Teddy Sheringham - and even then was considered by many to be unlucky not to get a call-up iirc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000%E2%80%9301_FA_Premier_League#Top_scorersOK, JR has played for his country, but Scotland are hardly the force England were in Sven's early days as manager! If we're going to compare how good Rhodes is now for Blackburn vs how good Marcus Stewart was at that age, then it's no contest - a 24 year old Rhodes is better than a 24 year old Marcus Stewart. Marcus Stewart wasn't really anything special under Horton and despite what I said earlier, that could probably be taken into account. Then again - JR was left out of the playoff final for tactical reasons*, it was only his final season with us that he REALLY took off. * Yes, I know it was controversial even at the time, but JR was nowhere near as good then as he is now. It's easy to be wise after the event. Rhodes was left out at the age of 21. The start of his career. Also 3 years younger than when Stewart joined us. He only hit the headlines in his 3rd year with us (at the age of 22) by scoring a ridiculous 46 goals in a season but he'd also scored 23 and 22 in his previous 2. In fact, only 1 season from Stewart with us beat either of those 2. Admittedly it's hard to compare players from different eras in different leagues, but Rhodes scoring record is outstanding. He's only 60 league goals behind Stewart's career total and he's still only 24. Whilst Captain may have exaggerated with ' much better career' (he does tend to do that...) I do agree that Rhodes will have a better career than Stewart. He'll get his chance in the Prem in the next couple of years and I think he'll shine.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Oct 26, 2014 16:24:46 GMT 1
As a footballer and for his class and goals........
Stewart every time.
Rhodes as pure goal scorer.
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 26, 2014 18:19:40 GMT 1
A much better career? I'm not sure about that. MS was unlucky to hit his peak at the same time as Teddy Sheringham - and even then was considered by many to be unlucky not to get a call-up iirc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000%E2%80%9301_FA_Premier_League#Top_scorersOK, JR has played for his country, but Scotland are hardly the force England were in Sven's early days as manager! If we're going to compare how good Rhodes is now for Blackburn vs how good Marcus Stewart was at that age, then it's no contest - a 24 year old Rhodes is better than a 24 year old Marcus Stewart. Marcus Stewart wasn't really anything special under Horton and despite what I said earlier, that could probably be taken into account. Then again - JR was left out of the playoff final for tactical reasons*, it was only his final season with us that he REALLY took off. * Yes, I know it was controversial even at the time, but JR was nowhere near as good then as he is now. It's easy to be wise after the event. Rhodes was left out at the age of 21. The start of his career. Also 3 years younger than when Stewart joined us. He only hit the headlines in his 3rd year with us (at the age of 22) by scoring a ridiculous 40 goals in a season but he'd also scored 23 and 22 in his previous 2. In fact, only 1 season from Stewart with us beat either of those 2. Admittedly it's hard to compare players from different eras in different leagues, but Rhodes scoring record is outstanding. He's only 60 league goals behind Stewart's career total and he's still only 24. Whilst Captain may have exaggerated with ' much better career' (he does tend to do that...) I do agree that Rhodes will have a better career than Stewart. He'll get his chance in the Prem in the next couple of years and I think he'll shine. At the start of Rhodes' 40 goal season we were discussing what side we'd put out for our upcoming game with Hartlepool. Interesting to see that most would have left Rhodes out of the starting XI. Not necessarily a reply to impact, but I thought it was interesting. downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/59795/team-hartlepoolResponse to impact - if you're going to judge a forward by their goals, and nothing but their goals, then yes - Rhodes wins easily. Even at a lower level, 40 goals is something special. Thing is, take the goals away from JR's game & there really wasn't much left. Take the goals away from MS & you've still got somebody who will create chances & scare defenders. Rhodes the better goalscorer, Stewart better overall.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 26, 2014 22:02:23 GMT 1
Very difficult to split them IMO. Both great players, I don't see any obvious difference between them in terms of quality. I'd probably re-sign Rhodes because hed be the younger of the two in those respective seasons. Think Rhodes will go on to have a much better career than Stewy did. A much better career? I'm not sure about that. MS was unlucky to hit his peak at the same time as Teddy Sheringham - and even then was considered by many to be unlucky not to get a call-up iirc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000%E2%80%9301_FA_Premier_League#Top_scorersOK, JR has played for his country, but Scotland are hardly the force England were in Sven's early days as manager! If we're going to compare how good Rhodes is now for Blackburn vs how good Marcus Stewart was at that age, then it's no contest - a 24 year old Rhodes is better than a 24 year old Marcus Stewart. Marcus Stewart wasn't really anything special under Horton and despite what I said earlier, that could probably be taken into account. Then again - JR was left out of the playoff final for tactical reasons*, it was only his final season with us that he REALLY took off. * Yes, I know it was controversial even at the time, but JR was nowhere near as good then as he is now. It's easy to be wise after the event. Stewart was an exceptional player at Bristol Rovers well before he joined us.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 26, 2014 22:08:36 GMT 1
Also remember most of Rhodes goals have been scored against relatively lowly teams and poor defenders, whereas Stewart was playing against the best for a significant part of his career and shone. I'd really like to see Rhodes have a go in the Prem but think he will struggle.
We'll see!
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Post by swam4mwg on Oct 26, 2014 22:24:40 GMT 1
Rhodes was an out and out striker. Stewart often played different roles. The number ten role or sometimes wide, because he had the guile.
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