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Post by Tinpot on Oct 26, 2014 23:17:40 GMT 1
A much better career? I'm not sure about that. MS was unlucky to hit his peak at the same time as Teddy Sheringham - and even then was considered by many to be unlucky not to get a call-up iirc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000%E2%80%9301_FA_Premier_League#Top_scorersOK, JR has played for his country, but Scotland are hardly the force England were in Sven's early days as manager! If we're going to compare how good Rhodes is now for Blackburn vs how good Marcus Stewart was at that age, then it's no contest - a 24 year old Rhodes is better than a 24 year old Marcus Stewart. Marcus Stewart wasn't really anything special under Horton and despite what I said earlier, that could probably be taken into account. Then again - JR was left out of the playoff final for tactical reasons*, it was only his final season with us that he REALLY took off. * Yes, I know it was controversial even at the time, but JR was nowhere near as good then as he is now. It's easy to be wise after the event. Stewart was an exceptional player at Bristol Rovers well before he joined us. True. Probably unfair to pick the 24 year old Stewy, simply because at that age he was going through an unusually poor run of form (injuries plus the whole squad were playing like disinterested amateurs in Horton's last 12-18 months in charge). I only chose that age because it's how old JR is now.
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Post by Der Blitzbomber on Oct 27, 2014 0:08:39 GMT 1
Stewart, I think, the more complete player. But imagine them as a pairing! This, a thousand times! Even better would be the Rhodes of 2012 and the Booth of 1995, with Stewart supporting both in a free role...
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Oct 27, 2014 0:38:06 GMT 1
Stewart was a better footballer, Rhodes a more natural finished but Stewart the better all round footballer on the whole, so Stewart for me.
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Post by Beech's Nuts on Oct 27, 2014 0:45:11 GMT 1
A much better career? I'm not sure about that. MS was unlucky to hit his peak at the same time as Teddy Sheringham - and even then was considered by many to be unlucky not to get a call-up iirc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000%E2%80%9301_FA_Premier_League#Top_scorersOK, JR has played for his country, but Scotland are hardly the force England were in Sven's early days as manager! If we're going to compare how good Rhodes is now for Blackburn vs how good Marcus Stewart was at that age, then it's no contest - a 24 year old Rhodes is better than a 24 year old Marcus Stewart. Marcus Stewart wasn't really anything special under Horton and despite what I said earlier, that could probably be taken into account. Then again - JR was left out of the playoff final for tactical reasons*, it was only his final season with us that he REALLY took off. * Yes, I know it was controversial even at the time, but JR was nowhere near as good then as he is now. It's easy to be wise after the event. Stewart was an exceptional player at Bristol Rovers well before he joined us. He certainly oozed quality in the Play-off Final.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 27, 2014 1:07:57 GMT 1
Stewart was an exceptional player at Bristol Rovers well before he joined us. He certainly oozed quality in the Play-off Final. Its all a bit dim and distant. Didn't he rattle the cross bar with a 30 yarder?
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 27, 2014 1:13:10 GMT 1
Stewart was an exceptional player at Bristol Rovers well before he joined us. True. Probably unfair to pick the 24 year old Stewy, simply because at that age he was going through an unusually poor run of form (injuries plus the whole squad were playing like disinterested amateurs in Horton's last 12-18 months in charge). I only chose that age because it's how old JR is now. That is one of Rhodes great attributes - he misses very few games for a centre forward. I feel he always plays within himself (quite rightly) while someone like Vaughan is always playing on the stretch of his physical capabilities - and we know the results of that! Stewart had a bad injury with us. I can't remember if it was career threatening but at the time I never thought he would come back as good as before .... but he did and went on to greater things.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 1:14:22 GMT 1
Had an amazing game that day, completely outstanding performance, fortunately the rest of the Rovers were average and we had Chris Billy.
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Post by burgerhitsthebar on Oct 27, 2014 2:02:11 GMT 1
Andy Booth
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Post by Solid Snake on Oct 27, 2014 3:04:20 GMT 1
Since we're playing Ipswich... Two ridiculous transfers by the selling club. One cost Town dearly and the other benefitted us hugely. If we could re-sign the Stewart of 1999 or the Rhodes of 2012, which one would you choose? Can't say yet, but I do believe that Rhodes will have a better career than Marcus Stewart did
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Post by kennyk2 on Oct 27, 2014 8:03:23 GMT 1
Since we're playing Ipswich... Two ridiculous transfers by the selling club. One cost Town dearly and the other benefitted us hugely. If we could re-sign the Stewart of 1999 or the Rhodes of 2012, which one would you choose? Can't say yet, but I do believe that Rhodes will have a better career than Marcus Stewart did He may do if he can get out of Blackburn - hasn't even played in the Premier League yet!
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Post by The Roaring Twenties on Oct 27, 2014 8:19:31 GMT 1
Most fans seem to be opting for Stewart. I bet if you were to ask the same question to Managers, they would just about all go for Rhodes.
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Post by Beech's Nuts on Oct 27, 2014 8:34:53 GMT 1
Most fans seem to be opting for Stewart. I bet if you were to ask the same question to Managers, they would just about all go for Rhodes. Not Strachan.
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Post by Amigo on Oct 27, 2014 9:29:40 GMT 1
Most people will be picking Stewart because he could do things like the volley against Palace I think it was when he let a throw in bounce past him and spun and hit it in to the top from the edge of the area, or against Ipswich when he dinked it over a defender inside the 6 yard box then put it past the keeper or (even though it didn't go in) the volley against Port Vale(?) which had it been an inch or 2 lower would've been the best goal anybody inside the stadium would've seen. These are just some examples of the brilliant moments he could create added to the fact he did a lot more work further back creating for others. 660-odd appearances for someone that had injuries is pretty impressive as well.
It's hard to say whether Rhodes will have a better career. I'd be very surprised if he finished second top scorer in the Premier League and I can't help thinking he's made a massive mistake going to Blackburn (didn't he also sign a new contract recently?), a huge contract and fee is pricing Premier League teams out of taking a gamble on him.
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Post by lankystreak on Oct 27, 2014 9:34:13 GMT 1
The key thing for me here is the wording of the question "Who would you sign now" given where we are and who I think would have a greater impact on the team as a whole it would be Marcus Stewart as I think he would be more capable of dragging a team up a level whereas Rhodes will only be successful if the team around him are creating chances. This is I think what is stopping him from getting a move to the Prem, he would score shed loads of goals playing up top for one of the big boys as he would get chance after chance, yet none of the big boys will take a punt on a championship striker. Whereas the clubs that would be interested lower down the league want a striker who offers that little bit extra to the team. Sadly because of this we may never get to see how good Jordan Rhodes actually is.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 27, 2014 12:23:15 GMT 1
The key thing for me here is the wording of the question "Who would you sign now" given where we are and who I think would have a greater impact on the team as a whole it would be Marcus Stewart as I think he would be more capable of dragging a team up a level whereas Rhodes will only be successful if the team around him are creating chances. This is I think what is stopping him from getting a move to the Prem, he would score shed loads of goals playing up top for one of the big boys as he would get chance after chance, yet none of the big boys will take a punt on a championship striker. Whereas the clubs that would be interested lower down the league want a striker who offers that little bit extra to the team. Sadly because of this we may never get to see how good Jordan Rhodes actually is. I'm not quite saying that Rhodes is a goal hanger - but strikers in the Premiership have to deliver a lot more in terms of all round play and often as a one up front. However, you can't think he would be worse than Balotelli! Steve Bruce would be the man to make the decision. He flogged Stewart and tried to sign Rhodes!
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 27, 2014 19:03:17 GMT 1
Stewart was a much more complete player.
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Post by htafctaunton on Oct 28, 2014 0:10:25 GMT 1
Very good question!!!
Both would get in MY best-ever Town XI.
Both have given me some of the best memories of supporting Town. ( Stewart's sublime display, scoring and creating, in the 7-1 thrashing of Palace) (Rhodes' 5 in front of the TV cameras at Wycombe, and the sight of all the watching scouts hurriedly scribbling away........)
But, if I HAD to split them, I would probably go for Stewy for his all-round ability, but a very close decision as I have seen no-one stick the ball in the net quite like Rhodes.
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Post by cfromhx on Oct 29, 2014 13:20:11 GMT 1
Kindon for me, but between these two I choose Stewart as his movement was better I respect Rhodes for standing by us longer than he had to though
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 29, 2014 13:42:15 GMT 1
Very good question!!! Both would get in MY best-ever Town XI. Both have given me some of the best memories of supporting Town. ( Stewart's sublime display, scoring and creating, in the 7-1 thrashing of Palace) (Rhodes' 5 in front of the TV cameras at Wycombe, and the sight of all the watching scouts hurriedly scribbling away........) But, if I HAD to split them, I would probably go for Stewy for his all-round ability, but a very close decision as I have seen no-one stick the ball in the net quite like Rhodes. Not mine because neither of them would replace Frank.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Oct 29, 2014 17:47:58 GMT 1
I remember Marcus saying that one of the reasons he signed for Town was that he was assured he would be playing alongside Andy Booth. Just imagine how good that would have been!
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Post by htafctaunton on Nov 2, 2014 21:40:07 GMT 1
Very good question!!! Both would get in MY best-ever Town XI. Both have given me some of the best memories of supporting Town. ( Stewart's sublime display, scoring and creating, in the 7-1 thrashing of Palace) (Rhodes' 5 in front of the TV cameras at Wycombe, and the sight of all the watching scouts hurriedly scribbling away........) But, if I HAD to split them, I would probably go for Stewy for his all-round ability, but a very close decision as I have seen no-one stick the ball in the net quite like Rhodes. Not mine because neither of them would replace Frank. Would play all 3 !!! - Stewy, no. 8, playing as attacking midfielder, just behind twin strikers Frankie W, no.9, and J R at no.10.
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Post by stewarteverytime on Nov 3, 2014 12:54:52 GMT 1
This isn't even close.
Marcus Stewart was not only the top scoring Englishman in the premiership for a season, he also had the highest pass completion rate of any striker in the same season by a distance. Does anybody think the same would be true if Rhodes was playing for a newly promoted side in the premiership this season?
If Marcus Stewart had found a Scottish connection does anyone think he would not have been an automatic selection every game.
If Jordan Rhodes partnered Clyde Wijnhard would anybody be fooled into thinking Wijnhard was actually a decent player.
Jordan Rhodes may well be the best player to play for Town since the Steve Bruce era, still nowhere near Marcus Stewart. The only reason to pick Rhodes, was if you didn't want a player shagging your team mates wives.
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Post by Solid Snake on Dec 13, 2014 4:20:04 GMT 1
I bet my dad a pint tonight that Rhodes will score more Premiership goals in his career than Stewart did in his. I'm surprised that he's not playing Prem football already. Prolific. Gets in them places and the ball is in the back of the net. Effortlessly, job done. Marcus Stewart was fantastic but Rhodes has no way peaked yet.
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 13, 2014 8:45:27 GMT 1
This isn't even close.
Marcus Stewart was not only the top scoring Englishman in the premiership for a season, he also had the highest pass completion rate of any striker in the same season by a distance. Does anybody think the same would be true if Rhodes was playing for a newly promoted side in the premiership this season?
If Marcus Stewart had found a Scottish connection does anyone think he would not have been an automatic selection every game.
If Jordan Rhodes partnered Clyde Wijnhard would anybody be fooled into thinking Wijnhard was actually a decent player.
Jordan Rhodes may well be the best player to play for Town since the Steve Bruce era, still nowhere near Marcus Stewart. The only reason to pick Rhodes, was if you didn't want a player shagging your team mates wives. Rhodes might be the best goalscorer since the Bruce era but he's not even close to being the best player, the 2 things are different Michael Owen won European player of the year once but I don't think anyone (even he) would say he was the best footballer playing in Europe at the time. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 13, 2014 9:29:37 GMT 1
Stewart , Better class footballer.
Only just mind you,
I'd rate him at 90 % Rhodes at 80 %
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 14, 2014 0:09:52 GMT 1
I bet my dad a pint tonight that Rhodes will score more Premiership goals in his career than Stewart did in his. I'm surprised that he's not playing Prem football already. Prolific. Gets in them places and the ball is in the back of the net. Effortlessly, job done. Marcus Stewart was fantastic but Rhodes has no way peaked yet. Both different players though. Take MS's goals away and you still had a player that could create chances & link up play superbly. Take JR's goals away & you haven't really got much there. MS was the better player, but I still think you'll win your bet.
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Post by Skint Terriers on Dec 14, 2014 0:36:22 GMT 1
I bet my dad a pint tonight that Rhodes will score more Premiership goals in his career than Stewart did in his. I'm surprised that he's not playing Prem football already. Prolific. Gets in them places and the ball is in the back of the net. Effortlessly, job done. Marcus Stewart was fantastic but Rhodes has no way peaked yet. according to wiki Stewart got 199 goals and Rhodes is on 142. Think it's safe to say youve won unless Rhodes can't score 57 goals in 10 years
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Post by Solid Snake on Dec 14, 2014 1:56:12 GMT 1
I bet my dad a pint tonight that Rhodes will score more Premiership goals in his career than Stewart did in his. I'm surprised that he's not playing Prem football already. Prolific. Gets in them places and the ball is in the back of the net. Effortlessly, job done. Marcus Stewart was fantastic but Rhodes has no way peaked yet. according to wiki Stewart got 199 goals and Rhodes is on 142. Think it's safe to say youve won unless Rhodes can't score 57 goals in 10 years No I'm talking about Premier League goals. Marcus Stewart scored 26 goals in the prem.
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