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Post by Essex Terrier on Oct 26, 2014 9:32:37 GMT 1
Yeah this squad rotation is really shit. Only idiots do it - like Mourinho when Chelsea have 3 games in a week and you can see how crap they are doing as a result. Lee. Clark. Rotation. fail.
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Post by detox on Oct 26, 2014 9:46:55 GMT 1
Bunn and Scannell have the hardest jobs in the team, wing backs...they have to defend back to their own box and then attack up to the other box...they do that all game, and unlike all the other players who just play in zones, this is a punishing schedule. Also, playing wide and attacking they are more likely to face tackles, whereas other players are moving the ball sidways or back to avoid a challenge. The wing backs invite the challenges..and even with a good tackle against them it usually involves a man and ball type tackle.
As such they got knocks all the time, more than any other player maybe. That's my view of it anyway and as such they will need recovery time to get over the knocks and bumps and bruises they get during a game, not to mention strains or pulled muscles.
Neither are built like Grant Holt who's job it is to be combative, but he doesn't have to cover the same amount of ground. I think CP got it dead right because you could argue that these two are the most important players in our side.. covering the defence and opening up the opposition at the other end.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 10:01:34 GMT 1
Just wasted 5 minutes of my life trawling through this crap. Please can someone re title it to "colts reaction". He really is a cock.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 10:02:04 GMT 1
Bunn and Scannell have the hardest jobs in the team, wing backs...they have to defend back to their own box and then attack up to the other box...they do that all game, and unlike all the other players who just play in zones, this is a punishing schedule. Also, playing wide and attacking they are more likely to face tackles, whereas other players are moving the ball sidways or back to avoid a challenge. The wing backs invite the challenges..and even with a good tackle against them it usually involves a man and ball type tackle. As such they got knocks all the time, more than any other player maybe. That's my view of it anyway and as such they will need recovery time to get over the knocks and bumps and bruises they get during a game, not to mention strains or pulled muscles. Neither are built like Grant Holt who's job it is to be combative, but he doesn't have to cover the same amount of ground. I think CP got it dead right because you could argue that these two are the most important players in our side.. covering the defence and opening up the opposition at the other end. In two words Spot On.UTT.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 10:04:24 GMT 1
Bunn and Scannell have the hardest jobs in the team, wing backs...they have to defend back to their own box and then attack up to the other box...they do that all game, and unlike all the other players who just play in zones, this is a punishing schedule. Also, playing wide and attacking they are more likely to face tackles, whereas other players are moving the ball sidways or back to avoid a challenge. The wing backs invite the challenges..and even with a good tackle against them it usually involves a man and ball type tackle. As such they got knocks all the time, more than any other player maybe. That's my view of it anyway and as such they will need recovery time to get over the knocks and bumps and bruises they get during a game, not to mention strains or pulled muscles. Neither are built like Grant Holt who's job it is to be combative, but he doesn't have to cover the same amount of ground. I think CP got it dead right because you could argue that these two are the most important players in our side.. covering the defence and opening up the opposition at the other end. Hmmmm. I don't really see them as wing backs in a 4-3-3. Yes they have to do their share of tracking back but they aren't being asked to play as archetypal wing backs with only a back three behind them as Hammill and Dixon were being asked last season. We changed to a four at the back when they came on yesterday. They are both being asked to do more damage in the final third than a wing-back might. They still get tired in whatever role they play, so I take your point.
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Post by detox on Oct 26, 2014 10:10:35 GMT 1
Bunn and Scannell have the hardest jobs in the team, wing backs...they have to defend back to their own box and then attack up to the other box...they do that all game, and unlike all the other players who just play in zones, this is a punishing schedule. Also, playing wide and attacking they are more likely to face tackles, whereas other players are moving the ball sidways or back to avoid a challenge. The wing backs invite the challenges..and even with a good tackle against them it usually involves a man and ball type tackle. As such they got knocks all the time, more than any other player maybe. That's my view of it anyway and as such they will need recovery time to get over the knocks and bumps and bruises they get during a game, not to mention strains or pulled muscles. Neither are built like Grant Holt who's job it is to be combative, but he doesn't have to cover the same amount of ground. I think CP got it dead right because you could argue that these two are the most important players in our side.. covering the defence and opening up the opposition at the other end. Hmmmm. I don't really see them as wing backs in a 4-3-3. Yes they have to do their share of tracking back but they aren't being asked to play as archetypal wing backs with only a back three behind them as Hammill and Dixon were being asked last season. We changed to a four at the back when they came on yesterday. They are both being asked to do more damage in the final third than a wing-back might. They still get tired in whatever role they play, so I take your point. yes, you're right..maybe I shouldn't have used the phrase 'wing back', but they are still expected to double up with our full backs when we're defending and then run 80 yards up the pitch to either support Holt or provide an attacking outlet...then 80 yards back again...and so on..I'm knackered just watching them from the stands.... they probably cover more yards than any other player, but someone will come up with some Optima stats to prove me wrong maybe..?
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 26, 2014 10:44:34 GMT 1
Didn't Powell mention Scannell had a slight injury from Tues night. Perhaps that is why he didn't start. Or maybe it was a Smokescreen to justify a terrible team selection. Certainly showed no signs of fatigue or injury when he came on. Bet if you were manager we'd have won 6 on the bounce? Think everyone trusts Powell's judgement over your opinions.. Get over yourself, you can't even add up FFS!
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Post by realmadkid on Oct 26, 2014 10:52:07 GMT 1
This thread highlights to me just how unrealistic some people are in their attitudes. We get a more than decent point at Ipswich (a team that before yesterday had won 4 of their 6 home games) having been far and away the better team but that apparently is still not good enough for some folk. I'm sure these people will not be happy unless we win every game. Powell is doing an excellent job so far, and I can only see it getting better the more he learns about his new environment and players. He's explained EXACTLY why he made his decisions and the tactics he used so for God's sake give it a bloody rest!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 10:52:42 GMT 1
Or maybe it was a Smokescreen to justify a terrible team selection. Certainly showed no signs of fatigue or injury when he came on. Bet if you were manager we'd have won 6 on the bounce? Think everyone trusts Powell's judgement over your opinions.. Get over yourself, you can't even add up FFS! As I said above he mentioned he was hopeful on Thursday, so it was clear he wasn't fully confident Scannell could start, there was no smokescreen. He also talked about "boxing clever" with the team selection, so the changes were possibly something he also had in mind with a longer term view than just the Ipswich game.
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Post by realmadkid on Oct 26, 2014 10:57:26 GMT 1
Bet if you were manager we'd have won 6 on the bounce? Think everyone trusts Powell's judgement over your opinions.. Get over yourself, you can't even add up FFS! As I said above he mentioned he was hopeful on Thursday, so it was clear he wasn't fully confident Scannell could start, there was no smokescreen. He also talked about "boxing clever" with the team selection, so the changes were possibly something he also had in mind with a longer term view than just the Ipswich game. Absolutely mate. We got a more than well deserved away point at a team that will be challenging for a play off place - and we also now have the bonus of two important players who are now relatively well-rested. Job done for me.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 26, 2014 11:06:43 GMT 1
Bet if you were manager we'd have won 6 on the bounce? Think everyone trusts Powell's judgement over your opinions.. Get over yourself, you can't even add up FFS! As I said above he mentioned he was hopeful on Thursday, so it was clear he wasn't fully confident Scannell could start, there was no smokescreen. He also talked about "boxing clever" with the team selection, so the changes were possibly something he also had in mind with a longer term view than just the Ipswich game. Keeping players like Bunn & Scanz fresh will be key this season, if that means resting them to the bench now & then, so be it. He's changed his tactics & personnel just about every game & it's been justified pretty much every time since the horror show at Leeds.. Yesterday we were the better team most of the game & were unlucky to be losing at the break, which Mccarthy & the Ipswich fans admit.. Which vindicates CP's team selection imo. Don't understand why people are getting on his back?
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Post by kennyk2 on Oct 26, 2014 11:11:40 GMT 1
As I said above he mentioned he was hopeful on Thursday, so it was clear he wasn't fully confident Scannell could start, there was no smokescreen. He also talked about "boxing clever" with the team selection, so the changes were possibly something he also had in mind with a longer term view than just the Ipswich game. Keeping players like Bunn & Scanz fresh will be key this season, if that means resting them to the bench now & then, so be it. He's changed his tactics & personnel just about every game & it's been justified pretty much every time since the horror show at Leeds.. Yesterday we were the better team most of the game & were unlucky to be losing at the break, which Mccarthy & the Ipswich fans admit.. Which vindicates CP's team selection imo. Don't understand why people are getting on his back? The good thing is that we are quite as happy playing two different systems up front.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 26, 2014 11:30:49 GMT 1
Bunn and Scannell have the hardest jobs in the team, wing backs...they have to defend back to their own box and then attack up to the other box...they do that all game, and unlike all the other players who just play in zones, this is a punishing schedule. Also, playing wide and attacking they are more likely to face tackles, whereas other players are moving the ball sidways or back to avoid a challenge. The wing backs invite the challenges..and even with a good tackle against them it usually involves a man and ball type tackle. As such they got knocks all the time, more than any other player maybe. That's my view of it anyway and as such they will need recovery time to get over the knocks and bumps and bruises they get during a game, not to mention strains or pulled muscles. Neither are built like Grant Holt who's job it is to be combative, but he doesn't have to cover the same amount of ground. I think CP got it dead right because you could argue that these two are the most important players in our side.. covering the defence and opening up the opposition at the other end. In two words Spot On.UTT. I don't understand. They don't play as wing backs. Dixon and Smith played as wingbacks yesterday.
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Post by artysid on Oct 26, 2014 11:31:55 GMT 1
Are their people who really believe that Scannell and Bunn could have maintained the same energy levels for 90 minutes that they showed in the 30 minutes they played, or that they would have been more effective for the first 30 minutes against fresh defenders than they were for the last 30 minutes against tired defenders?
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Oct 26, 2014 11:38:53 GMT 1
Powell was talking in the press conference on Thursday about how hard the players had worked on Tuesday, and mentioned then that he was "hopeful" that Scannell would be fit, and the difficulty of playing 3 games in a week. Obviously that's the same for the opposition as well, but it's up to each manager to judge his own players and whether they are going to be able to give 100% for every game. CP also mentioned that he could have started Hogg at Blackburn, but instead decided to make sure he would be 100% ready rather than playing him and risk having out again for a period of games. This is clearly the stance he wants to take. Scannell in particular is a confidence player, imagine if he starts him at Ipswich, and Scanz has a poor game because he's not feeling fully fit, the knock on effect over what is a tough period of games before the next international break could leave us with the Scannell we were lumbered with until Lillis gave him a fresh start. Powell knows the players better than any of us on here, and he knows more about the management of them as well. A point at Ipswich is a good result, nobody knows we would have won if we'd started Bunn and Scannell, we could have gone 2-0 up then been pegged back - who's to know? Apart from Colt of course! Is this why Watford are top of our League
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 11:44:43 GMT 1
Powell was talking in the press conference on Thursday about how hard the players had worked on Tuesday, and mentioned then that he was "hopeful" that Scannell would be fit, and the difficulty of playing 3 games in a week. Obviously that's the same for the opposition as well, but it's up to each manager to judge his own players and whether they are going to be able to give 100% for every game. CP also mentioned that he could have started Hogg at Blackburn, but instead decided to make sure he would be 100% ready rather than playing him and risk having out again for a period of games. This is clearly the stance he wants to take. Scannell in particular is a confidence player, imagine if he starts him at Ipswich, and Scanz has a poor game because he's not feeling fully fit, the knock on effect over what is a tough period of games before the next international break could leave us with the Scannell we were lumbered with until Lillis gave him a fresh start. Powell knows the players better than any of us on here, and he knows more about the management of them as well. A point at Ipswich is a good result, nobody knows we would have won if we'd started Bunn and Scannell, we could have gone 2-0 up then been pegged back - who's to know? Apart from Colt of course! Is this why Watford are top of our League
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Post by AndySk on Oct 26, 2014 11:49:57 GMT 1
Can you really see Powell making up shit about a player to the press to cover his own back?! Aye great man management, should get the best out of scanz should that.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Oct 26, 2014 12:58:19 GMT 1
I think everybody involved in the club including Powell realises towns best team on paper . Powell has the " luxury " of having arquably one of best set of players in the championship, especiall up front and in midfield. This is the strenth and depth required in not having to rely on injured players. Powells team selection issue will get far more interesting when Vaughan and other players become available ,and just hope this does not lead to unrest in the camp . I dont believe in changing an in form team ,but we have a manager who shows no favouritsm to any player, and Saturdays team change at Ipswich just shows how he is trying to utilise the squad. Powell is the type of manager who will making every player fight for the shirt ,and surely that is a healthy way of avoiding the complacency that we have witnessed in the past .
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 26, 2014 13:01:33 GMT 1
I think everybody involved in the club including Powell realises towns best team on paper . Powell has the " luxury " of having arquably one of best set of players in the championship, especiall up front and in midfield, this is the strenth and depth required in not having to rely on injured players. Powells team selection issue will get far more interesting when Vaughan and other players become available ,and just hope this does not lead to unrest in the camp . I dont believe in changing an in form team ,but we have a manager who shows no favouritsm to any player, and Saturdays team change at Ipswich just shows how he is trying to utilise the squad. Powell is the type of manager who will making every player fight for the shirt ,and surely that is a healthy way of avoiding the complacency that we have witnessed in the past . Spot on!
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 26, 2014 13:21:43 GMT 1
I think everybody involved in the club including Powell realises towns best team on paper . Powell has the " luxury " of having arquably one of best set of players in the championship, especiall up front and in midfield. This is the strenth and depth required in not having to rely on injured players. Powells team selection issue will get far more interesting when Vaughan and other players become available ,and just hope this does not lead to unrest in the camp . I dont believe in changing an in form team ,but we have a manager who shows no favouritsm to any player, and Saturdays team change at Ipswich just shows how he is trying to utilise the squad. Powell is the type of manager who will making every player fight for the shirt ,and surely that is a healthy way of avoiding the complacency that we have witnessed in the past . I would have started Bunn and Scannell yesterday but long term I think you are probably right Sugy, and its good use of the squad. Bunn and Scannell seem to have become critically important, but we shouldn't forget we have some terrific replacements for them in the squad in Lolley and Hammill (not to mention Ward) should they drop off / tire / get crocked. So we can still play a very effective 4-3-3 without Bunn and Scannell. Holt is really the key to playing that system (or Vaughan).
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Oct 26, 2014 13:27:10 GMT 1
I think everybody involved in the club including Powell realises towns best team on paper . Powell has the " luxury " of having arquably one of best set of players in the championship, especiall up front and in midfield. This is the strenth and depth required in not having to rely on injured players. Powells team selection issue will get far more interesting when Vaughan and other players become available ,and just hope this does not lead to unrest in the camp . I dont believe in changing an in form team ,but we have a manager who shows no favouritsm to any player, and Saturdays team change at Ipswich just shows how he is trying to utilise the squad. Powell is the type of manager who will making every player fight for the shirt ,and surely that is a healthy way of avoiding the complacency that we have witnessed in the past . I would have started Bunn and Scannell yesterday but long term I think you are probably right Sugy, and its good use of the squad. Bunn and Scannell seem to have become critically important, but we shouldn't forget we have some terrific replacements for them in the squad in Lolley and Hammill (not to mention Ward) should they drop off / tire / get crocked. So we can still play a very effective 4-3-3 without Bunn and Scannell. Holt is really the key to playing that system (or Vaughan).
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Post by deadleg on Oct 26, 2014 13:34:55 GMT 1
Powell was talking in the press conference on Thursday about how hard the players had worked on Tuesday, and mentioned then that he was "hopeful" that Scannell would be fit, and the difficulty of playing 3 games in a week. Obviously that's the same for the opposition as well, but it's up to each manager to judge his own players and whether they are going to be able to give 100% for every game. CP also mentioned that he could have started Hogg at Blackburn, but instead decided to make sure he would be 100% ready rather than playing him and risk having out again for a period of games. This is clearly the stance he wants to take. Scannell in particular is a confidence player, imagine if he starts him at Ipswich, and Scanz has a poor game because he's not feeling fully fit, the knock on effect over what is a tough period of games before the next international break could leave us with the Scannell we were lumbered with until Lillis gave him a fresh start. Powell knows the players better than any of us on here, and he knows more about the management of them as well. A point at Ipswich is a good result, nobody knows we would have won if we'd started Bunn and Scannell, we could have gone 2-0 up then been pegged back - who's to know? Apart from Colt of course! Fully agreed. Similar stuff cropped up with the reaction to the Sterling non-story, you get the impression a lot of people think that being a top level professional athlete is the same as having a kickabout down the park or something. At that high a level games often hinge on the tiniest of margins and a player being at 95% or 96% as opposed to 100% (ie, in this very specific context, 'being tired') can definitely make a difference. There's a vast difference between letting a manager know this so he can make a more informed choice over his team selection and not being arsed and/or downing tools which is how the 'I'd get sacked from my job if I said I was too tired to work', 'they're young lads, how can they be tired' crowd always seem to take it. It's not the equivalent of pulling a sickie. Very few players (especially those who rely on pace) are going to play 90 minutes fifty times a season with the intensity of the game in this day and age.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 14:52:25 GMT 1
Its all a load of nonsense anyway - if Bunn and Scannel had started yesterday Wells would have been on the bench. If we put our chances away we could have been in front with the selection made. Would we have defended corners any better if Scannell and Bunn were on the pitch? Of course not. No one knows what would have happened.
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Post by tockyterrier on Oct 27, 2014 10:27:23 GMT 1
As deadleg says, jogging round the local footy pitch is nowhere near the exertion and intensity that pro footballers put their bodies through for 90 mins. Add on the fact that 80% of the time they will be carrying knocks and strains etc. Not every player is the same and some recover quicker than others. The faster a player runs, the more stress he puts his body under, hence the longer it takes to recover. I'm not 100% today, but will be working, but then I won't give a penalty away because I'm tired Sent from my HTC One mini 2 using proboards
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Post by bristolterrier on Oct 27, 2014 10:42:26 GMT 1
Im not 100% on this but weren't you openly slatting Powell at first? If so maybe your trying to save face a bit by putting the boot in at ANY opportunity. Why am i trying to save face. He is doing a good job thus far, but that doesn't free him up from criticism where i see it is warranted. I will defend you Colt. Not sure how old you are but I reckon that you are probably over 40 which puts you in the "old School" category. As someone mentioned earlier, with better finishing we probably wouldn't have needed Scanz and Bunn to even come on the pitch so Powell made the right call. What always irritates me is when managers tell us Footballers are tired. I just cannot get my head around the fact that they go into work 10am-2pm and might play 2 90min games a week. They are all as fit as butchers dogs and conditioned to play professional football so why are they tired?? Bricklayers & Scaffolders get tired but I just for the life of me cannot understand why footballers get tired and never will.By the way Powell is doing a great job.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 10:53:03 GMT 1
As deadleg says, jogging round the local footy pitch is nowhere near the exertion and intensity that pro footballers put their bodies through for 90 mins. Add on the fact that 80% of the time they will be carrying knocks and strains etc. Not every player is the same and some recover quicker than others. The faster a player runs, the more stress he puts his body under, hence the longer it takes to recover. I'm not 100% today, but will be working, but then I won't give a penalty away because I'm tired Sent from my HTC One mini 2 using proboards TBF When I played Saturday's and Sundays I couldn't walk on Monday and Tuesday.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Oct 27, 2014 11:21:08 GMT 1
Why am i trying to save face. He is doing a good job thus far, but that doesn't free him up from criticism where i see it is warranted. I will defend you Colt. Not sure how old you are but I reckon that you are probably over 40 which puts you in the "old School" category. As someone mentioned earlier, with better finishing we probably wouldn't have needed Scanz and Bunn to even come on the pitch so Powell made the right call. What always irritates me is when managers tell us Footballers are tired. I just cannot get my head around the fact that they go into work 10am-2pm and might play 2 90min games a week. They are all as fit as butchers dogs and conditioned to play professional football so why are they tired?? Bricklayers & Scaffolders get tired but I just for the life of me cannot understand why footballers get tired and never will.By the way Powell is doing a great job. Nonsense. Bricklayers and scaffolders don't compete against other Bricklayers and scaffolders to put up the same wall/scaffold with thousands of people watching their every move. They can go in hungover and chat to their mates while working. Tiredness is the wrong word, it makes them sound like they're lounging around, sleeping in hammocks. They won't have been 100% and for wingers in particular that is very important as they are trying to outwit their full-back every time and are consistently sprinting for 90 minutes. They're more likely to pick up injuries and lose concentration when they're jaded too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 11:29:28 GMT 1
It's laughable that people seem think Sterling (and Scannel) are choosing to be tired.
Good on them. If their bodies are f*cked, then speak up.
What would you rather? They play tired and get injured?
Like James Vaughan?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 11:38:24 GMT 1
Ipswich fans seem quite articulate and knowledgeable from the couple of browses I've had on their board. If Town had blown a two goal lead at home, all you would read on here is how it was down to a lack of effort and courage and that Deano needed to fund six new signings to counter it.
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