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Post by Floyds on Nov 22, 2014 16:49:23 GMT 1
He didn't inspire confidence from corners, but made a couple of saves and kept a clean sheet.
I'd keep him in until he makes a mistake that sees us concede.
It'll do Smithies good to realise he has competition and that he need to up his game to retain his place when he gets back in.
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Post by AndySk on Nov 22, 2014 17:32:07 GMT 1
Smithies would've got mullered on here if he dealt with the corners the way murphy did
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Nov 22, 2014 18:04:32 GMT 1
Thought Murphy was decent. As a back up goalie he more than looks up to the task and will allow Allinson etc a couple more years to develop as keepers
Decent signing for me
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 22, 2014 18:10:20 GMT 1
Murphy s good imo,
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Post by upthetown on Nov 22, 2014 18:13:17 GMT 1
Thought he had a good game. Really enjoyed him flattening May in the second half too, after two previous late/heavy challenges on him by May.
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 22, 2014 18:17:29 GMT 1
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Post by Giggity on Nov 22, 2014 18:23:53 GMT 1
To be fair, most keepers would struggle with the corners Drenthe was putting in for Sheffield Wednesday. They were as good as any you will see in the Championship. Murphy did a good job at mopping up and was probably the only player in the team bar Butterfield who looked to pass the ball with urgency.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 19:25:48 GMT 1
He didn't inspire confidence from corners, but made a couple of saves and kept a clean sheet. I'd keep him in until he makes a mistake that sees us concede. It'll do Smithies good to realise he has competition and that he need to up his game to retain his place when he gets back in. Most keeper mistakes lead to goals, to drop a keeper for one mistake would do neither Murphy nor Smithies confidence any good. Smithies back in when fit for me, Murphy reasonably good back up, but that's what he is 'back up'.
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Post by upthetown on Nov 22, 2014 19:34:13 GMT 1
He didn't inspire confidence from corners, but made a couple of saves and kept a clean sheet. I'd keep him in until he makes a mistake that sees us concede. It'll do Smithies good to realise he has competition and that he need to up his game to retain his place when he gets back in. Most keeper mistakes lead to goals, to drop a keeper for one mistake would do neither Murphy nor Smithies confidence any good. Smithies back in when fit for me, Murphy reasonably good back up, but that's what he is 'back up'. Agree with your first point, but I'd keep Murphy in now for a while. See how smithies responds.
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Post by Floyds on Nov 22, 2014 19:40:39 GMT 1
I'd leave Murphy in, but if he has a shocker next week then put Smithies back in.
Genuine competition for a place would do them both good.
Hopefully he'll be consistent and warrant an extended run in the team.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 22, 2014 19:42:22 GMT 1
Keep Murphy in now for a tough test at the Makron reebok, he did well today, tough lad aswel.
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Post by tommydee on Nov 22, 2014 20:05:47 GMT 1
We have good first and second choice keepers at the club this year. I've not seen all the matches but from the matches I have been at I think Smithies has had a good start to the season, crucially making a good level of improvement on commanding his area and challenging for high crosses. Some people on here would moan about a paper cut from a winning lottery ticket. He's conceaded over 30 goals by mid November. Any keeper that has done that hasnt had a good start to a season
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Post by explorer on Nov 22, 2014 20:26:28 GMT 1
Good distribution, accurate kicking, lots of talking/cajoling and a match-saving stop at the end to round off a good day for Joe Murphy. IMO.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 22, 2014 20:38:13 GMT 1
Good save near the end. Good distribution. Struggled with crosses throughout I thought. Decent keeper though but you play your best and Smithies is our best IMO.
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Post by shawsie on Nov 22, 2014 20:45:07 GMT 1
Very difficult to judge on one game, but did nothing wrong today and i dont think smithies would have done any better today - given the manager an interesting selection dilemma next week.
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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 22, 2014 20:48:17 GMT 1
Smithies would've got mullered on here if he dealt with the corners the way murphy did Never has a truer word been said.
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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 22, 2014 20:50:30 GMT 1
Good save near the end. Good distribution. Struggled with crosses throughout I thought. Decent keeper though but you play your best and Smithies is our best IMO. First line exactly as I saw it but you play the one in best form whichever it may be. Any news on Smithies injury? I heard back spasms. Wondering how long he'll be missing.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 22, 2014 20:54:11 GMT 1
If its back spasms then Id imagine he'll be available for Bolton. Bit of massage should sort it.
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Post by terrierfortythree on Nov 22, 2014 21:01:41 GMT 1
We have good first and second choice keepers at the club this year. I've not seen all the matches but from the matches I have been at I think Smithies has had a good start to the season, crucially making a good level of improvement on commanding his area and challenging for high crosses. Some people on here would moan about a paper cut from a winning lottery ticket. He's conceaded over 30 goals by mid November. Any keeper that has done that hasnt had a good start to a seasonridiculous comment, going by that then your logic would have him to blame for all of them
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 22, 2014 23:47:01 GMT 1
Thought it was a very decent performance from Murphy today - hard to fault. Dealt pretty well with what came his way and his kicking was a vast improvement from Smithies. Still would just give Smithies the edge overall, though, but there isn't a lot between them.
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Post by Floyds on Nov 23, 2014 0:16:32 GMT 1
Smithies would've got mullered on here if he dealt with the corners the way murphy did Never has a truer word been said. The same can be said of Murphy, had he dived out of the way like at Fulham (as an example). Swings and roundabouts. You're in the team and you're under the spotlight, questions will be asked. And rightly so. Poor lambs should be able to take a bit criticism every so often.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 23, 2014 8:52:27 GMT 1
Clean sheet so Joe to start at Bolton.
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Post by mirfieldterrier21 on Nov 23, 2014 9:14:00 GMT 1
Fulham's third goal? The rocket from Mccormack that he smashed into the top corner.... A real clanger that! Yeh that on he tryed punching away rather than tipping it over the bar. He did the 'alex smithies air flap'. Them challenges from may on murphy smithies wouldn't of been off his line for them, simple
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 23, 2014 9:25:08 GMT 1
Fulham's third goal? The rocket from Mccormack that he smashed into the top corner.... A real clanger that! Yeh that on he tryed punching away rather than tipping it over the bar. He did the 'alex smithies air flap'. Them challenges from may on murphy smithies wouldn't of been off his line for them, simple I tend to agree Mirfield, he could of done better with Mccormacks, the shot cam from miles out.
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Post by mirfieldterrier21 on Nov 23, 2014 10:01:38 GMT 1
Yeh that on he tryed punching away rather than tipping it over the bar. He did the 'alex smithies air flap'. Them challenges from may on murphy smithies wouldn't of been off his line for them, simple I tend to agree Mirfield, he could of done better with Mccormacks, the shot cam from miles out. It doesn't look as obvious from the tv angle, but from the away end it went over him he wasnt stretching to get to it it was weird don't know what he was thinking
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Nov 23, 2014 14:37:22 GMT 1
Despite the clean sheet, IMO Murphy didn't do (or get the chance to do) enough to displace Smithies if he is only unfit for this one. So if Smithies is fit I believe he should start at Bolton, having a decent reserve should help keep Alex on his toes.
If Smithies misses more games, then it will give Murphy a better chance of keeping his place when Smithies is once again fit.
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Post by Skint Terriers on Nov 23, 2014 14:56:24 GMT 1
Joe ran off his line for the ball very quick which Smithies hesitates a lot. Also his kicking was very good and accurate.
I Think Smithies is the better keeper but he's got a great keeper with him who he can learn a few things off!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 15:23:08 GMT 1
There really is no debate. Smithies is the better keeper and from the evidence of the times I've seen both he's better at dealing with crosses and distribution is on par.
If Smithies is 100% fit for Bolton then he should come back in.
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Post by tommydee on Nov 23, 2014 15:56:46 GMT 1
He's conceaded over 30 goals by mid November. Any keeper that has done that hasnt had a good start to a seasonridiculous comment, going by that then your logic would have him to blame for all of them It isn't ridiculous at all. Just bringing some stats to the argument. I've seen him at fault for many of them yes. He's an average keeper at best. Hasn't lived up to his wonder kid status but maybe there's time to improve if the coaching and determination is there.
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Post by pixie on Nov 23, 2014 16:32:35 GMT 1
I prefer Murphy to be honest. He's got a much sharper brain than Alex. The speed he came off his line to stop May was top class. Alex would possibly have conceded either a goal or a penalty in the same circumstances. His distribution was in the main also quicker than Alex: I quite often go to sleep waiting for him to clear the ball.
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