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Post by buckers on Jan 1, 2015 12:25:08 GMT 1
Or if The Daily Telegraph is to be believed Redferan might not be making any signings... "Leeds owner Massimo Cellino is running out of patience with Neil Redfearn and could soon be looking for his fifth manager in seven months." More credible than the examiner.
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Post by royalflush on Jan 1, 2015 12:26:31 GMT 1
I hope that article is a load of rollox. Not that I think Ward has a future at Town but he's the type of player who has the ability to suddenly look a worldbeater with a change of scenery...Leeds are a relegation rival with a transfer embargo. Why would we go out of our way to help them by loaning him to them...suicide!
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Post by E4b on Jan 1, 2015 12:46:01 GMT 1
Would not like to see Wardy play against us, he would rip shreds out of that defence of ours.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 1, 2015 12:55:03 GMT 1
Would not like to see Wardy play against us, he would rip shreds out of that defence of ours. If it's a loan he wouldn't be able to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 12:58:43 GMT 1
Would not like to see Wardy play against us, he would rip shreds out of that defence of ours. He can't be ripping our defense to shreds to often in training, he's not getting a competitive kick this season.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 13:00:35 GMT 1
Pretty frustrating when you think that £1 million at the time could have got us someone like Matt Ritchie instead
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Post by kes on Jan 1, 2015 13:04:23 GMT 1
He helped get us up. Seem to remember DH saying the only reason he was given the contract extension was to give him a transfer value, so can`t see us letting him go for nothing to Leeds. Blackpool probably get him for around 100k.
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Post by benhomly on Jan 1, 2015 13:09:36 GMT 1
Would not like to see Wardy play against us, he would rip shreds out of that defence of ours. Wouldn't worry me in the slightest to see him line up against us. To say he would rip our defence to shreds is about as realistic as saying we'll finish in the top 6 any time soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 13:12:35 GMT 1
Danny Ward is one of the most frustrating players I've ever seen at Town. Unlike Scannell, he's been given chance after chance over the previous 3 or 4 seasons and 9 times out of 10 always disappoints.
Waste of a wage for me, get rid and get a striker in, something we really need.
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Post by benhomly on Jan 1, 2015 13:17:13 GMT 1
Danny Ward is one of the most frustrating players I've ever seen at Town. Unlike Scannell, he's been given chance after chance over the previous 3 or 4 seasons and 9 times out of 10 always disappoints. Waste of a wage for me, get rid and get a striker in, something we really need.[/ quote] Exactly, we've got at least 4 better wide men in the squad so like you say get someone we need instead.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 1, 2015 13:19:18 GMT 1
Danny Ward is one of the most frustrating players I've ever seen at Town. Unlike Scannell, he's been given chance after chance over the previous 3 or 4 seasons and 9 times out of 10 always disappoints. Waste of a wage for me, get rid and get a striker in, something we really need. Spot on, the assists thing is just a cover. Let the lad go now and try at another club, total waste now here, not in our managers plans.
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Post by impact on Jan 1, 2015 13:29:47 GMT 1
A few league stats: Started 82 Subbed on 42 Goals 20 Assists 23
So in the 124 games he's played in he's been involved in 43 goals, that's one every 2.88 games. I'd say that's not bad at all.
Just as a comparison, Scannell has been involved in 1 goal every 8.64 games, and even if you ignore his sub appearances but keep his goal and assists stats 1 goal every 4.36 games.
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Post by royalflush on Jan 1, 2015 13:31:17 GMT 1
All very well being blase about him going but if we loan him to Leeds and he scores five goals, including the one that keeps them up at our expense, it's a bigger own goal than the Marcus Stewart affair imo
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 13:34:10 GMT 1
Danny Ward is one of the most frustrating players I've ever seen at Town. Unlike Scannell, he's been given chance after chance over the previous 3 or 4 seasons and 9 times out of 10 always disappoints. Waste of a wage for me, get rid and get a striker in, something we really need. Spot on, the assists thing is just a cover.Let the lad go now and try at another club, total waste now here, not in our managers plans. For what?
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jan 1, 2015 13:36:02 GMT 1
All very well being blase about him going but if we loan him to Leeds and he scores five goals, including the one that keeps them up at our expense, it's a bigger own goal than the Marcus Stewart affair imo Weird comparison. If he comes good somewhere else (like Arfield did) then fair enough. I can see him doing a bit of damage to defences at lower levels but he hasn't shown the nous to play at Championship level imho.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 1, 2015 13:37:46 GMT 1
Danny Ward is one of the most frustrating players I've ever seen at Town. Unlike Scannell, he's been given chance after chance over the previous 3 or 4 seasons and 9 times out of 10 always disappoints. Waste of a wage for me, get rid and get a striker in, something we really need. Spot on, the assists thing is just a cover. Let the lad go now and try at another club, total waste now here, not in our managers plans. A cover that would have seen us relegated for the past 2 years, we can't let him go to the yids, wouldnt have thought Blackpool could afford him and I wouldn't swap him for a player that can't get in Charltons team Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by detox on Jan 1, 2015 13:48:41 GMT 1
Waste of £1m to me, always has been..he's been a donkey 90% of the time, with just the odd flash of potential...but he's never going to realise any potential with us...he had loads of games last season, at the expense of Scannell, but continued to miss hit passes, lose control and miss absolute gobbers in front of goal...he can't head a ball and he can't make a tackle...apart from that...he's probably a decent enough lad...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 14:11:18 GMT 1
let him go to blackpool maybe. wouldn't let leeds have him at all.
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Post by Thwarting Dog on Jan 1, 2015 14:11:41 GMT 1
Danny Ward can't be that bad of a player when the Champions of Europe are sniffing !
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 1, 2015 14:14:37 GMT 1
All very well being blase about him going but if we loan him to Leeds and he scores five goals, including the one that keeps them up at our expense, it's a bigger own goal than the Marcus Stewart affair imo I've seen a lot of both Marcus Stewart and Danny Ward, take it from me Danny Ward is no Marcus Stewart. I'm happy to admit I would have let Scannell go during the close season having tired of waiting for the player that was there to show himself, glad to see he now has and is ( probably) one of the first names on the team sheet, however Ward has had much longer, 5 seasons, and still we wait.........
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 14:21:23 GMT 1
A few league stats: Started 82 Subbed on 42 Goals 20 Assists 23 So in the 124 games he's played in he's been involved in 43 goals, that's one every 2.88 games. I'd say that's not bad at all. Just as a comparison, Scannell has been involved in 1 goal every 8.64 games, and even if you ignore his sub appearances but keep his goal and assists stats 1 goal every 4.36 games. Bearing in mind that Scannell has had nowhere near the opportunities that Ward has had until this season (i.e. 10/12+ games in a row), and that Ward has spent a considerable amount of time up front. Scannell has just played half a season and generally done exceptionally well (arguably player of the year so far), I'm not sure its fair to judge him with stats regarding the scraps of opportunities he's had prior to this season. I mean, he'd have a decent game, then be on the bench again the next game! I suppose even if you want to go down the stats route, going forward, who would you rather have now...Scannell or Ward? Its a no brainer I think. Whats Danny Ward's best position? Because its pretty well accepted he isn't good enough as a striker....So is he good enough as a winger...Perhaps his best position would be as a wide right forward in our current 4-3-3, (so he could cut inside and have a shot), but Powell doesn't seem to fancy him there...Other than shoot.....what else can Danny Ward do well at this level? I honestly don't know. Strange frustrating player, theres talent in there somewhere, unfortunately I think the only way we'll see it is when he plays against us in the future!! Its no coincidence that 4/5 different managers have struggled to get £1m worth out of him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 14:23:04 GMT 1
Danny Ward can't be that bad of a player when the Champions of Europe are sniffing ! surprised they're not looking at him as their next fallguy / manager / laughing stock.
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Post by impact on Jan 1, 2015 15:00:54 GMT 1
A few league stats: Started 82 Subbed on 42 Goals 20 Assists 23 So in the 124 games he's played in he's been involved in 43 goals, that's one every 2.88 games. I'd say that's not bad at all. Just as a comparison, Scannell has been involved in 1 goal every 8.64 games, and even if you ignore his sub appearances but keep his goal and assists stats 1 goal every 4.36 games. Bearing in mind that Scannell has had nowhere near the opportunities that Ward has had until this season (i.e. 10/12+ games in a row), and that Ward has spent a considerable amount of time up front. Scannell has just played half a season and generally done exceptionally well (arguably player of the year so far), I'm not sure its fair to judge him with stats regarding the scraps of opportunities he's had prior to this season. I mean, he'd have a decent game, then be on the bench again the next game! I suppose even if you want to go down the stats route, going forward, who would you rather have now...Scannell or Ward? Its a no brainer I think. Whats Danny Ward's best position? Because its pretty well accepted he isn't good enough as a striker....So is he good enough as a winger...Perhaps his best position would be as a wide right forward in our current 4-3-3, (so he could cut inside and have a shot), but Powell doesn't seem to fancy him there...Other than shoot.....what else can Danny Ward do well at this level? I honestly don't know. Strange frustrating player, theres talent in there somewhere, unfortunately I think the only way we'll see it is when he plays against us in the future!! Its no coincidence that 4/5 different managers have struggled to get £1m worth out of him. That last sentence is one of the main issues I have with the criticism of Ward. People judge him by how much we paid for him, not what he's actually doing. The supposed £1m we spend on him over 3 years ago shouldn't come into how he's playing now, or in fact ever. That should be aimed at the men who brought him in - Lee Clark and Dean Hoyle. It isn't his fault that the club paid so much for him. I think Scannell has more talent than Ward, in fact I think I always have. But before this year he didn't show it for more than 5 minutes at a time. The 'he deserves a run of games' argument is rubbish IMO. You have to earn that run of games by putting in the effort. Whilst he positively affected the game on the majority of occasions when he came on as a sub, when he was given his starting opportunities he very rarely performed. That was the reason he didn't get his run of games. A lot of that was down to his effort, or lack of it. Thankfully he seems to have sorted his attitude out and has been one of our best players this year. The most pleasing thing for me is not what he's doing with the ball at his feet - he always had that in his locker - but his defensive work without it. It's something I haven't seen from Scannell before this year.
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Post by royalflush on Jan 1, 2015 15:15:38 GMT 1
All very well being blase about him going but if we loan him to Leeds and he scores five goals, including the one that keeps them up at our expense, it's a bigger own goal than the Marcus Stewart affair imo[/ quote]I've seen a lot of both Marcus Stewart and Danny Ward, take it from me Danny Ward is no Marcus Stewart. You've missed my point completely..as I said, I dont rate him...but you do not loan him to a relegation rival...any assists or goals from him punish us directly...sending yourself down effectively...ie own goal I'm happy to admit I would have let Scannell go during the close season having tired of waiting for the player that was there to show himself, glad to see he now has and is ( probably) one of the first names on the team sheet, however Ward has had much longer, 5 seasons, and still we wait.........
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Post by buckers on Jan 1, 2015 15:22:54 GMT 1
Spot on, the assists thing is just a cover.Let the lad go now and try at another club, total waste now here, not in our managers plans. For what? He's actually the top spy in her majesty's secret service but it's very hush hush.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jan 1, 2015 16:11:52 GMT 1
Be surprised if ward was loaned to Leeds
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Post by alwayswright on Jan 1, 2015 17:00:07 GMT 1
I'm confident we would have seen more of Ward this season if we had not had Robinson on loan.When he goes back we willl have no cover for Dixon. I believe Ward offers more than Bunn as a wingback; slightly faster, stronger, and more capable in the tackle and in the air, imho
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Post by benhomly on Jan 1, 2015 17:10:58 GMT 1
I'm confident we would have seen more of Ward this season if we had not had Robinson on loan.When he goes back we willl have no cover for Dixon. I believe Ward offers more than Bunn as a wingback; slightly faster, stronger, and more capable in the tackle and in the air, imho Bunn has already shown more in half a season than Ward has shown in 5 years. Can't believe the level of support this guy gets when he is the clearest example of how much money Deano has flushed down the toilet in all his time here.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 1, 2015 17:38:05 GMT 1
Spot on, the assists thing is just a cover.Let the lad go now and try at another club, total waste now here, not in our managers plans. For what? Him being such an average footballer who only, to my mind, has had a handful of decent games.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 1, 2015 17:39:22 GMT 1
Him being such an average footballer who only, to my mind, has had a handful of decent games. Which of your minds ? Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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