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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 23, 2014 14:54:36 GMT 1
Whelan is a very welcome diversion, that's all. The columnists love all this so they can 'safely' have a go at white middle aged/elderly men who wont fight back. I said before, wait till the first footballer comes out, lets see how the politicians and the 'right on' columnists deal with the backlash from the 'deeply devout players' to this revelation. You know what, they wont, they will avoid it. The idea that people as a rule don't discriminate every day in normal life is ridiculous. Human beings discriminate in the blink of an eye every single day due to sex, height, weight, looks, colour of hair etc etc etc etc.... Anyone who claims to be 'discrimination free' is a liar or a fool. Absolutely . We all judge people based on stereotypes to a greater or lesser degree. The charge the FA should through at Whelan is gross stupidity.. He has just seem Malky end up in hot water for his comments. Appoints him and then in order to take the steam out of it makes comments which attempt to validate Malky during an ongoing investigation .. Unbelievable
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 23, 2014 14:55:49 GMT 1
This country is fucked. Left wingers have killed it. Yeah that's right cos David Gold and Vincent Tan are fully paid up members of the Socialist Workers movement
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Post by thrice on Nov 23, 2014 15:09:57 GMT 1
Not quite understanding that actually, people do get offended and upset by this nonsense.. When David Gold was interviewés he was genuinely shocked and upset.. He really liked uncle Dave and seemed really uncomfortable with his stereotypical Jew nonsense... I wasn't " offended" but David Gold, who understands the historical element and pernicious underlying thrust of stereotyping, has every right to be. So what if anybody feels offended? Be offended & voice your offense if you so wish. Just dont expect everyone to agree with you & expect some form of action because your feelings have been hurt. Deal with it like a grown up.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 23, 2014 15:12:18 GMT 1
we judge on 'stereotypes' and we also judge on personal experience or experiences. My experience of a number of racial/religious groups has led me to believe that the average white Englishman(who may or may not use, now accepted, derogatory terms/references to other nationalities etc) is not in the same league in the hate stakes to all of those. If you have discrimination entrenched in your religious law, which over rules the laws of any particular country you may happen to be in/live in, then the witterings of an old bloke who immediately gets jumped all over by his 'own people' and lambasted by those first before paasing the torch to the peoples who he may have offended, then we should not beat ourselves up too much, should we?? The fairest Nation on earth is becoming very hard to live up to, especially when its clear that nobody else seems to give a rats arse and then feels 'safe' to have a ridiculous pop at us?
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Post by OldRastrickian on Nov 23, 2014 15:15:53 GMT 1
At least Whelan's heinous racism has driven that trivial tittle-tattle about FIFA corruption/Qatar off the front pages. Perspective at last..........
And the authorities' commendably-prompt action on this matter has probably avoided the UK embassy in Beijing being burned down by a mob of enraged chinks.
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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 23, 2014 15:16:47 GMT 1
Once again, the point is not whether Whelan thinks the word is offensive, it's whether the large group of people at which it is directed think it's offensive. I don't think intent can be ignored.
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Post by thrice on Nov 23, 2014 15:21:29 GMT 1
Would somebody kindly please post a link to exactly what the poor old bugger said.
If you are going to hang him at least do so on his own words in the context that they were delivered.
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Post by artysid on Nov 23, 2014 15:26:59 GMT 1
This country is fucked. Left wingers have killed it. Yeah that's right cos David Gold and Vincent Tan are fully paid up members of the Socialist Workers movement Absolutely In my experience Political Correctness emanated from the USA - the heart of capitalism, not the old eastern block, large multinationals spend more on PC training etc than left wing councils could ever dream about, and the trainers, experts, etc. who rake in personal fortunes on the back of it charge sums for their services that are not particularly in keeping with socialist ideologies. But why complicate the issue with facts if it doesn't suit your own political agenda.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 23, 2014 15:37:22 GMT 1
People make comments every minute, everyday where the intent is nothing. We are spoken of as Brits, the Republican Irish did not mean this as a term of endearment? Aussies use the term in both general terms and also in derogatory terms. The 'Yanks' do the same as we do with 'Yanks'.. The Guardian uses the term 'Yank' in a very different way from what an elderly man who fought alongside them in the war?
'Yank, Chink, Brit or Yid' please don't fall into the trap that we are in any way less 'abused or less hated' by others. Unfortunately we are hated by a great deal of our 'own' which isn't 'allowed' to happen anywhere else in the world.
Fairest Nation on Earth, first to help out anywhere with money/people? yes on both counts.. Perspective...
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 23, 2014 15:51:09 GMT 1
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Post by thrice on Nov 23, 2014 16:15:17 GMT 1
The Guardian reported that he said 'chink' & 'Jewish people chase money more than anybody else'. The full transcipt of what he clarified he said & in what context is at the bottom of the following article. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30139723Where is the Guardian's transcript in full or recording of the original interview? The least they could do is to release it (if they have not done so already) after the shitstorm that their interpretation has caused.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 16:42:46 GMT 1
He's a 77 year old man who said one thing that he'd like to take back. In my opinion he's a good guy and I hope this blows over for him. You have to admire DW i know many a 77 year old who would have prob forgotton they said it as soon as they spoke the words in the first place.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 23, 2014 16:48:38 GMT 1
The Guardian reported that he said 'chink' & 'Jewish people chase money more than anybody else'. The full transcipt of what he clarified he said & in what context is at the bottom of the following article. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30139723Where is the Guardian's transcript in full or recording of the original interview? The least they could do is to release it (if they have not done so already) after the shitstorm that their interpretation has caused. If you have an interest in it David Conn was on 5 live sport on ( I think ) Thursday night talking about it... He rang Whelan about one subject and Whelan then started talking about chinks and Jews.. I think Conn was a bit non plussed by it... Old man calls Chinese people chinks isn't the crime of the century ... Not when our secret services are allegedly trying to bury stories about MPs buggering and murdering kids ( allegedly) .. My feeling is that Whelan has been dumb... He will no doubt be charged by the FA and will be asked to go on a course looking at the issues.. I hope the old goat learns something but its doubtful at his age
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 16:56:06 GMT 1
The Guardian reported that he said 'chink' & 'Jewish people chase money more than anybody else'. The full transcipt of what he clarified he said & in what context is at the bottom of the following article. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30139723Where is the Guardian's transcript in full or recording of the original interview? The least they could do is to release it (if they have not done so already) after the shitstorm that their interpretation has caused. If you have an interest in it David Conn was on 5 live sport on ( I think ) Thursday night talking about it... He rang Whelan about one subject and Whelan then started talking about chinks and Jews.. I think Conn was a bit non plussed by it... Old man calls Chinese people chinks isn't the crime of the century ... Not when our secret services are allegedly trying to bury stories about MPs buggering and murdering kids ( allegedly) .. My feeling is that Whelan has been dumb... He will no doubt be charged by the FA and will be asked to go on a course looking at the issues.. I hope the old goat learns something but its doubtful at his age You are correct, But this is alone is a joke by a self regulated corrupt organisation from top to bottom the FA is a Joke yet they sit around like a bunch of old farts that they are wondering why the national team can't win anything and wondering why grass roots football isn't producing the next generation of footballers when they fail to invest in pitches and youth football like other countries like Germany have done, All whilst our kids play on pitches that dog owners allow there dogs to shit on knowing full well kids play on them, The FA need to get a grip of the game.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 23, 2014 17:06:45 GMT 1
As 'kick it out' are offering to 'help' Dave in his hour of need we should all be grateful and leave it to them. How a 77 year old is going to remember the 100 thousand words that are now deemed 'offensive' to someone or the next 100 thousand that might be seen as offensive, although nobody has complained as yet, but they might, I don't really know. Perhaps they will give him a large tome to carry around with him, which he can refer to everyime he is interviwed or has a conversation?? I hope the FA divert all their resources into this and stop worrying that a tin pot dictator aligned with other fraudsters and charlatans has made unsubstantiated allegations against us as a nation. You know Whelan will get fined/lose more money than the whole of the federations of Croatia and Russia etc for their appalling records on racism in football, where words were followed by direct actions. Clark Carlisle outght to get over to Croatia or even parts of France/Italy and start 'helping' them with their racism problems?
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Post by thrice on Nov 23, 2014 17:25:35 GMT 1
The Guardian reported that he said 'chink' & 'Jewish people chase money more than anybody else'. The full transcipt of what he clarified he said & in what context is at the bottom of the following article. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30139723Where is the Guardian's transcript in full or recording of the original interview? The least they could do is to release it (if they have not done so already) after the shitstorm that their interpretation has caused. If you have an interest in it David Conn was on 5 live sport on ( I think ) Thursday night talking about it... He rang Whelan about one subject and Whelan then started talking about chinks and Jews.. I think Conn was a bit non plussed by it... Old man calls Chinese people chinks isn't the crime of the century ... Not when our secret services are allegedly trying to bury stories about MPs buggering and murdering kids ( allegedly) .. My feeling is that Whelan has been dumb... He will no doubt be charged by the FA and will be asked to go on a course looking at the issues.. I hope the old goat learns something but its doubtful at his age I dont believe for one minute that 'Whelan just started talking about chinks & jews'. This kind of nonsense fans the flames of the shitstorm! Folk are not offended (so what) by what Whelan said, they are offended (so what) by what he is reported to have said via second hand interpretations.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 23, 2014 17:43:54 GMT 1
If you have an interest in it David Conn was on 5 live sport on ( I think ) Thursday night talking about it... He rang Whelan about one subject and Whelan then started talking about chinks and Jews.. I think Conn was a bit non plussed by it... Old man calls Chinese people chinks isn't the crime of the century ... Not when our secret services are allegedly trying to bury stories about MPs buggering and murdering kids ( allegedly) .. My feeling is that Whelan has been dumb... He will no doubt be charged by the FA and will be asked to go on a course looking at the issues.. I hope the old goat learns something but its doubtful at his age I dont believe for one minute that 'Whelan just started talking about chinks & jews'. This kind of nonsense fans the flames of the shitstorm! Folk are not offended (so what) by what Whelan said, they are offended (so what) by what he is reported to have said via second hand interpretations. Asi said .. Listen to the iplayer .. Whatever else you may think of conn he isn't going to lie about it
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Post by philincalifornia on Nov 23, 2014 17:54:14 GMT 1
Yeah that's right cos David Gold and Vincent Tan are fully paid up members of the Socialist Workers movement Absolutely In my experience Political Correctness emanated from the USA - the heart of capitalism, not the old eastern block, large multinationals spend more on PC training etc than left wing councils could ever dream about, and the trainers, experts, etc. who rake in personal fortunes on the back of it charge sums for their services that are not particularly in keeping with socialist ideologies. But why complicate the issue with facts if it doesn't suit your own political agenda. Why does humanity even bother with this phony socialism and organ grinder's monkeys ? I'll be happy when we get through this phase of human "evolution".
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Post by townatheart on Nov 23, 2014 18:08:51 GMT 1
Not quite understanding that actually, people do get offended and upset by this nonsense.. When David Gold was interviewés he was genuinely shocked and upset.. He really liked uncle Dave and seemed really uncomfortable with his stereotypical Jew nonsense... I wasn't " offended" but David Gold, who understands the historical element and pernicious underlying thrust of stereotyping, has every right to be. So what if anybody feels offended? Be offended & voice your offense if you so wish. Just dont expect everyone to agree with you & expect some form of action because your feelings have been hurt. Deal with it like a grown up. Not sure I understand your point, sounds like you are saying that it is the people that have been offended by racial, religious, national, sexist prejudices are the ones that need to grow up and take it ? Interesting point of view if that is what was meant to be said, hopefully I have misread the comment.
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Post by townatheart on Nov 23, 2014 18:12:51 GMT 1
If you have an interest in it David Conn was on 5 live sport on ( I think ) Thursday night talking about it... He rang Whelan about one subject and Whelan then started talking about chinks and Jews.. I think Conn was a bit non plussed by it... Old man calls Chinese people chinks isn't the crime of the century ... Not when our secret services are allegedly trying to bury stories about MPs buggering and murdering kids ( allegedly) .. My feeling is that Whelan has been dumb... He will no doubt be charged by the FA and will be asked to go on a course looking at the issues.. I hope the old goat learns something but its doubtful at his age I dont believe for one minute that 'Whelan just started talking about chinks & jews'. This kind of nonsense fans the flames of the shitstorm! Folk are not offended (so what) by what Whelan said, they are offended (so what) by what he is reported to have said via second hand interpretations. that does make sense i would agree. the way that even the mainstream media, not to mention all the gossipy sites etc spread things, can take the slightest word out of context and create an issue is beyond bizarre
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Post by thrice on Nov 23, 2014 18:25:09 GMT 1
I dont believe for one minute that 'Whelan just started talking about chinks & jews'. This kind of nonsense fans the flames of the shitstorm! Folk are not offended (so what) by what Whelan said, they are offended (so what) by what he is reported to have said via second hand interpretations. Asi said .. Listen to the iplayer .. Whatever else you may think of conn he isn't going to lie about it Post the link up please & we can analyse for ourselves how Conn's interpretation of the interview differs from Whelen's, if at all. I would not have either Conn or Whelen down as liars.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 23, 2014 18:26:20 GMT 1
Asi said .. Listen to the iplayer .. Whatever else you may think of conn he isn't going to lie about it Post the link up please & we can analyse for ourselves how Conn's interpretation of the interview differs from Whelen's, if at all. I would not have either Conn or Whelen down as liars. It's on the iPlayer you can find it as easy as I can mate.
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Post by thrice on Nov 23, 2014 18:27:18 GMT 1
So what if anybody feels offended? Be offended & voice your offense if you so wish. Just dont expect everyone to agree with you & expect some form of action because your feelings have been hurt. Deal with it like a grown up. Not sure I understand your point, sounds like you are saying that it is the people that have been offended by racial, religious, national, sexist prejudices are the ones that need to grow up and take it ? Interesting point of view if that is what was meant to be said, hopefully I have misread the comment. What I am saying is that anybody offended by anything needs to deal with it. It is not a crime to be offended, it is just a state of being.
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Post by thrice on Nov 23, 2014 18:36:04 GMT 1
Post the link up please & we can analyse for ourselves how Conn's interpretation of the interview differs from Whelen's, if at all. I would not have either Conn or Whelen down as liars. It's on the iPlayer you can find it as easy as I can mate. Im struggling on my phone at my mams waiting for a feed, but I cannot find it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 18:41:50 GMT 1
I don't get it.
do we no longer have free speech?
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 23, 2014 19:03:43 GMT 1
yes, but its not free if you offend or even may offend anyone. The idea that whatever your thinking was or the intention of the said statement mean nothing if it offends someone. Its also dependant on how 'afraid' the offended persons are of your group, if they are very 'afraid' then they will water it down and excuse you. It will also be pointed out that 'casual racism' is much worse than race hate actions, which is clearly bollox but is accepted by the social elite, who hate everyone but only speak up on issues where they can be seen in a multi cultural and enlightened 'light'....
Its clearly good to live in a society where you can be offended and say so and have the backing of government and lots of interested parties, but the publicity is merely a diversion grasped by these interested parties to divert attention away from the very dangerous racists who are predominatly not white middle aged men/elderly white men and those involved in football, generally.
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Post by townatheart on Nov 23, 2014 19:21:29 GMT 1
Not sure I understand your point, sounds like you are saying that it is the people that have been offended by racial, religious, national, sexist prejudices are the ones that need to grow up and take it ? Interesting point of view if that is what was meant to be said, hopefully I have misread the comment. What I am saying is that anybody offended by anything needs to deal with it. It is not a crime to be offended, it is just a state of being. ahhh, so I did not misread it, it is okay for someone to be offensive towards another, and it is simply a problem for the person who has been offended as they must rise above it ! yep, get that logic clear enough.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 23, 2014 19:22:26 GMT 1
It's on the iPlayer you can find it as easy as I can mate. Im struggling on my phone at my mams waiting for a feed, but I cannot find it? 7.06 Pm Thursday Five live Not sure how to link iplayer
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Post by shawsie on Nov 23, 2014 19:31:20 GMT 1
This country is fucked. Left wingers have killed it. What a load of rubbish! Its bad enough somebody uttering the words their own country is ruined as though its a fait a complis.........but to blame the left wingers is just nonsense given these people dont hold any positions of power. For a country on its knees, there are a hell of alot of folk still wanting to come ere...............doesnt say much for rest of the world if true!!!!
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Post by thrice on Nov 23, 2014 19:34:11 GMT 1
What I am saying is that anybody offended by anything needs to deal with it. It is not a crime to be offended, it is just a state of being. ahhh, so I did not misread it, it is okay for someone to be offensive towards another, and it is simply a problem for the person who has been offended as they must rise above it ! yep, get that logic clear enough. More or less yes, although I would clarify that you evidently dont have to be offensive towards somebody to cause offense.
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