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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 21:16:02 GMT 1
Used to do them, below the VAT threshold now though. Remember this, the only people that pay VAT are the general public. Or those below said threshold who can't reclaim it. Yep.
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Post by DeepSpace on Dec 9, 2014 21:16:08 GMT 1
There are a couple of things for me in this debate.
The first is that in reality you can't measure loyalty; people display it in their own way. I have travelled regularly for God knows how many years all over the country, but if the clock resets every August then for reasons largely beyond my control I have suddenly ceased to be a loyal fan. So 40+ years of doing midweek trips to the Dagenhams & Hartlepools of this world or 600 mile round trips with a couple of hundred others to see us get stuffed counts for nothing.
But I can live with that for precisely a reason highlighted above. I can never, ever remember not getting a ticket for a match I wanted to go to & this one was no exception. No-one has lost out because of any unfair allocation process. So in true DATM tradition we get an 8-page thread about feck all.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 9, 2014 21:29:08 GMT 1
Sherbet Ted As we have sold all the tickets if you have purchased one are you going to donate it to one of the many who did not get a ticket.also are you going to comment on SS new contract man of the match performances and B& W player of the month awards. Perhaps a a witty remark some smart comeback I can not wait Sorry mate... I used to work with the learning disabled and have reminded myself I need to show a bit more understanding and empathy for others. It won't happen again
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Post by York Terrier on Dec 9, 2014 21:38:42 GMT 1
Clever boy Ted are you really a town fan or just a miserable old Fart?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 23:05:49 GMT 1
Sherbet Ted As we have sold all the tickets if you have purchased one are you going to donate it to one of the many who did not get a ticket.also are you going to comment on SS new contract man of the match performances and B& W player of the month awards. Perhaps a a witty remark some smart comeback I can not wait The tickets sold out after they went on general sale, if anyone didn't get one they've only got themselves to blame, not (a perfectly fair) ticket allocation system. Why can't you understand this? As for SS he played poorly and got criticised and is now playing well and getting praised/a new contract. It was clear to most he had ability, hence the moaning that we weren't seeing it. Anton Robinson played far worse, but got less stick, because it was clear for all to see we were getting the best out of him - it was just very poor. Again, why can't you understand this?
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Post by York Terrier on Dec 10, 2014 8:46:22 GMT 1
Sherbet Ted As we have sold all the tickets if you have purchased one are you going to donate it to one of the many who did not get a ticket.also are you going to comment on SS new contract man of the match performances and B& W player of the month awards. Perhaps a a witty remark some smart comeback I can not wait The tickets sold out after they went on general sale, if anyone didn't get one they've only got themselves to blame, not (a perfectly fair) ticket allocation system. Why can't you understand this? As for SS he played poorly and got criticised and is now playing well and getting praised/a new contract. It was clear to most he had ability, hence the moaning that we weren't seeing it. Anton Robinson played far worse, but got less stick, because it was clear for all to see we were getting the best out of him - it was just very poor. Again, why can't you understand this? It's very simple Sherbet is one of the stereo type posters on here who is unable to see the good or positive in anyone or any idea.Its very easy to be negative and Sherbet excels in this field, The points idea for tickets is a system adopted by lots of clubs and if we ever get into the premiership we will need a better system.The don't fix it if it's not broken response is just a burying your head in the sand response,Reading adopt the points system and they have less away support than Town. SS as you are aware got dogs abuse on here with most people slating my support of him simply because they could not see the talent that needed to be brought out, I firmly believe that if you have a gem you should polish it not hide it away. In my opinion he was never playing badly he was not getting a decent run in the side and some of the squad he was playing with were simply not on his length GTF was another example he would think one move ahead and play a return pass and the other player was not ready for the return pass leaving GTF looking silly. Everyone ne has an opinion but in SS case the ones who slated him were wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 9:24:53 GMT 1
The opinions stating he was playing poorly when he was playing poorly were wrong?
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Dec 10, 2014 10:00:39 GMT 1
The opinions stating he was playing poorly when he was playing poorly were wrong? A very good question and really I do not think anyone can say he was not playing poorly and no matter how good players are they do sometimes play poorly. The question for those that sang his praises, should have been WHY is he playing poorly? I always thought (and still do) that SS has the ability BUT just needed the application. For me the turning point was Reading away, where there was much surprise at his selection under ML BUT who had his best game I had seen him play up until that time. Clearly ML was able to find that application that was needed and I feel that ML has passed this on to CP. I would even suggest that it was ML who advised CP not to get rid of SS to Millwall. But in essence a good player does not necessarily mean they will play well, there are other factors in play BUT all those factors seem now to be in favour of SS and his game seen by fans has improved. Was Torres a good player at Liverpool? Was Torres a good player at Chelsea?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 10:25:09 GMT 1
The tickets sold out after they went on general sale, if anyone didn't get one they've only got themselves to blame, not (a perfectly fair) ticket allocation system. Why can't you understand this? As for SS he played poorly and got criticised and is now playing well and getting praised/a new contract. It was clear to most he had ability, hence the moaning that we weren't seeing it. Anton Robinson played far worse, but got less stick, because it was clear for all to see we were getting the best out of him - it was just very poor. Again, why can't you understand this? It's very simple Sherbet is one of the stereo type posters on here who is unable to see the good or positive in anyone or any idea.Its very easy to be negative and Sherbet excels in this field, The points idea for tickets is a system adopted by lots of clubs and if we ever get into the premiership we will need a better system.The don't fix it if it's not broken response is just a burying your head in the sand response,Reading adopt the points system and they have less away support than Town. SS as you are aware got dogs abuse on here with most people slating my support of him simply because they could not see the talent that needed to be brought out, I firmly believe that if you have a gem you should polish it not hide it away. In my opinion he was never playing badly he was not getting a decent run in the side and some of the squad he was playing with were simply not on his length GTF was another example he would think one move ahead and play a return pass and the other player was not ready for the return pass leaving GTF looking silly. Everyone ne has an opinion but in SS case the ones who slated him were wrong. Ok, I give up. Myself and others (DeepSace makes some excellent points) have explained why your idea is not relevant to HTAFC, but you can't get your head around it. It's probably best if I just leave you to it. As for SS, one of the reasons his performances have improved is because his effort levels have increased massively. Before the Reading game I'd never seen him track back and support his full back as much. That has nothing to do with the manager, or at least it shouldn't. As well as he is playing, I still wouldn't describe him as an intelligent player, his game is built around strength and speed, not clever through balls and great crossing. If you thought he was never playing poorly, then I'd like to borrow your glasses to watch Town games - he's admitted himself his performances didn't deserve a spot in the side.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 11:28:42 GMT 1
The "sense of entitlement" culture raising it's head re these Rotherham tickets i'm afraid. If you want something you should make the effort to get it (ie get organised and make a phone call on time), not just expect it to drop into your lap. It's not as if we're talking U2 tickets or the like here is it? We're only little old Udders, the demand in this rare case only just exceeding the supply.
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Dec 10, 2014 11:57:31 GMT 1
The "sense of entitlement" culture raising it's head re these Rotherham tickets i'm afraid. If you want something you should make the effort to get it (ie get organised and make a phone call on time), not just expect it to drop into your lap. It's not as if we're talking U2 tickets or the like here is it? We're only little old Udders, the demand in this rare case only just exceeding the supply. Indeed but what is the actual evidence to support any change of the current system. I accept and recognise that some posters to this thread are disappointed at not being able to get tickets for the Xmas Extravaganza and some have suggested it is not fair but in real terms how many are there in actual numbers. Something actually quantifiable. If the numbers are known then they need to be compared with those that are content with the current system. I suspect that most if not all or certainly a sizeable majority of season ticket holders would be content with the current system. Since it seems to be generally agreed that match day attendances are in the region of 13/14K, then "possibly" over 50% of fans may be content with the current system. Democracy in action!!! Unfortunately you do not get an extra voice in the debate if you shout louder. Of course another question is, "Are DATM followers representative of Town Fans as a whole?" I can feel a poll coming on!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 13:11:12 GMT 1
To reiterate - it's not as if there aren't a plethora of clubs that have had effective models for the last 20 years, that Town couldn't emulate to ensure that if a situation did arise (which it hasn't here after all) we would't have this forum breakdown breakdown, which to be honest sort of shows the fault in the club's current system. Tier 1Whole allocation split three ways - with timed exclusivity for anyone who qualifies for this tier. X and XY would need to be debated and agreed upon but XY should always be greater than X. X and XY should be recorded on file for say that last 3 seasons - so that it benefits fans who've shown away loyalty in the near-past, and always offers opportunity for you to join this eligibility group. A simple system of a £5 (at upper end) payment for a membership card that the club can store your away stubs on if not a ST holder. If you pay on the gate - well, we've put a lander on a comet this year so there will be an easy workaround to ensure these games are still recorded. If you are a ST holder who's attained the predetermined (and agreed upon) XY number of away stubs, you are eligible to buy from 2/3 of the pot immediately, If you are a BWF/Patron ST holder with XY away stubs you qualify to buy for 100% of the pot immediately, etc, etc. For an example - if there were 6,000 tickets that came up for an FA Cup match at Chelsea, and in the Tier 1 time frame the BWF/Patrons/ST holder group bought all of their 2,000 allocation - before the jump to Tier 2 there would be a time-frame where any of the unsold 4,000 tickets from the other groups would be become available to them. Tier 2After a day or two, or whatever agreed upon time exclusivity for Tier 1 expires, all unsold tickets are pooled back together and then split 2 ways for new eligibility groups. No longer do any of the Tier 1 criteria count towards Tier 2, you had your time - but the fairness lies in that you will always qualify for the subsequent subordinate tiers downwards, so it shouldn't matter. Tier 3As per before. How often does the situation crop up at Town? Hardly ever - but that doesn't mean the current system in place in case if did crop up is wholly fair, as this thread - and people's legitimate concerns has shown.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 13:24:21 GMT 1
There's some folk with a lot of time on their hands
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 13:25:39 GMT 1
you can all bleat as much as ya want,, but season ticket holders+b/w foundation deserve first crack at the tickets,, so what if fans have away stubs,its fans paying up front for home matches and towards the academy that come first imo
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 13:34:26 GMT 1
There's some folk with a lot of time on their hands And get paid for it. It also took me a lot less time than those who spent 10 pages arguing. I'd clock it in at about 3 1/2 mins.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 14:03:19 GMT 1
Onto more serious matters, which is the designated away pub?
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Dec 10, 2014 14:21:32 GMT 1
Surely it very straight forward to what fans need to do if they want to be first in line for a match tickets ,and avoid disappointment. This so called "fair system" has changed little in my lifetime , and definitely would have been changed long ago had clubs thought up a fairer system .
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Dec 10, 2014 14:43:08 GMT 1
you can all bleat as much as ya want,, but season ticket holders+b/w foundation deserve first crack at the tickets,, so what if fans have away stubs,its fans paying up front for home matches and towards the academy that come first imo But you forget to some, Clibbens is the root of all evil in the world and as chief executive his job is to maximise revenue streams into the club (though every club in the land HAS to think like a business otherwise it will no longer be a club). His background is from insolvency so he will be aware of the pitfalls that many businesses can fall foul of. Furthermore it appears he wasn't born wearing a Town , so he can't have the best interests of HTAFC at heart apparently. At the end of the day he is the trusted financial guy of the best Chairman in my lifetime which will do for me. Though he has a hint of resemblance to Dangermouse's arch enemy Baron Silas Greenback
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Post by Zopa64 on Dec 10, 2014 15:05:42 GMT 1
Just wait until Blackpool away when first priority is given to the Pedal for Pounds riders! It's gonna be f***ing carnage on here!
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Post by rooo on Dec 10, 2014 15:08:40 GMT 1
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Post by AndySk on Dec 10, 2014 15:09:02 GMT 1
Just wait until Blackpool away when first priority is given to the Pedal for Pounds riders! It's gonna be f***ing carnage on here! Especially if we need to win there to make sure we finish in the top 2 like I expect will be the case
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 10, 2014 16:44:59 GMT 1
pie chart of how many pedal for pounders are season card/b&w foundation ...and how many away support just turned up at Fulham because its a good 'away day' or maybe just a pie for the 'hard of understanding' that cant see/accept that the investors in the club deserve first go at the one/two away games in the league that we might/eventually have sold out for..... doh! isn't doing it justice... when we get man utd away in the cup the system will remain and everyone will get a ticket, if we play somewhere close on boxing day and its a small allocation they may not...plenty of room at many other away games, you could sit where you like if we have a replay with Reading or should the club go through a complicated, unnecessary allocation system for the 5/6 hundred who 'might' want to go, many of which would be season card holders and b&w members anyway??? Dean would very much appreciate you 'turning out' home and away but he will probably take a season card buyer before the season kicks off who cant make a few of the home games and certainly very few if any of the away games over a 'promise' of attending as many games as you can home and away and paying on the day... Town fan, businessman and chairman of a club that has pissed a good amount of his cash away for a few years, did anyone really expect him to piss off any of the card holding town fans this Boxing Day??? rhetorical question as it never came up.. doh!!!!
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Post by York Terrier on Dec 10, 2014 19:55:22 GMT 1
This is my last attempt as it appears no one understands how the points system works (sorry if you do)
Season ticket holders get the most points for buying the ticket BW foundation holders get an agreed amount of points Fans then attending away games get points for each game Fans without a season ticket attending home gates get points
Away tickets like Rotherham are set at a level normally just above the point allocation for a season ticket holder for tier 1 Then the remainder of the tier levels are set and a BW foundation member who goes to lots of away games can get up the ladder
How is this unfair or wrong???
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 20:01:27 GMT 1
This is my last attempt as it appears no one understands how the points system works (sorry if you do) Season ticket holders get the most points for buying the ticket BW foundation holders get an agreed amount of points Fans then attending away games get points for each game Fans without a season ticket attending home gates get points Away tickets like Rotherham are set at a level normally just above the point allocation for a season ticket holder for tier 1 Then the remainder of the tier levels are set and a BW foundation member who goes to lots of away games can get up the ladder How is this unfair or wrong??? We all understand how a points system works, what we can't understand is why you insist on wanting to changing the whole system because we've sold out two away games this season and unlikely to fill anymore. Both Rotherham and Fulham are relatively small away ends by championship standards.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 20:02:30 GMT 1
Nowt wrong with giving pedal 4 pound riders priority on the Blackpool game, they have helped to raise half a million pound for the club since the KIU campaign was launched
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 20:03:02 GMT 1
Anybody blocked Readingterrier yet?
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Post by York Terrier on Dec 10, 2014 20:18:16 GMT 1
Anybody blocked Readingterrier yet? You will all be pleased to hear I am giving up something about Eagles and Turkeys
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 10, 2014 21:37:42 GMT 1
Is it any coincidence Reading is in Berk shire
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Post by softboy on Dec 10, 2014 21:44:10 GMT 1
So after all the hassle it seems the club have a system that works. Can we close this thread now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 22:22:59 GMT 1
Anybody blocked Readingterrier yet? You will all be pleased to hear I am giving up something about Eagles and Turkeys Please tell me its not to dedicate more of your time to campaigning for the club to introduce a European Kit, for us to wear in any future Champions League fixtures.
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