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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Dec 13, 2014 22:30:44 GMT 1
honestly who gives a fuck, did anyone expect us to get a win today? Yes I thought we had a decent chance of winning - and we did.
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Post by richhtfc on Dec 13, 2014 23:38:15 GMT 1
So after Cody has proved a decent replacement for Wallace for 25 minutes, Powell takes a striker and brings on another defender (our most attacking one). Presumably he was hoping we'd continue our good defensive work but Dixon would be able to help in breaks and get crosses in for Holt to get on the end of. It's a positive sub instead of putting another centre half on and inviting them on to us with a man less attacking outlet. Am I missing something? You are indeed missing something. Why play Robinson as a centre half would be the bit that you are missing - so therefore why bring Dixon on at all? Yep I was missing that. Weird....
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 13, 2014 23:45:17 GMT 1
honestly who gives a fuck, did anyone expect us to get a win today? Yes I thought we had a decent chance of winning - and we did. Didn't expect us to get totally arseholed by a team who won one in eight at home Pathetic.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Dec 14, 2014 11:14:15 GMT 1
Yes I thought we had a decent chance of winning - and we did. Didn't expect us to get totally arseholed by a team who won one in eight at home Pathetic. Inconsistent form in for the town team is whats making it impossible to predict a final result. Next up its Birmingham who scored 6 goals who play a town team who conceded 5 goals , but the mentioned inconsistency makes it virtually impossible to predict the outcome.
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Post by detox on Dec 14, 2014 12:37:15 GMT 1
We had 9 men against Derby for long period in the 2nd half and managed to keep them out...when you talk of 10 men it shouldn't make any difference really, you set upto defend at 4-4-1 while your opponents still keep 2 at the back to mark our one...the result is they have 8 midfield/attackers and we have 8 midfield/defenders plus the keeper..where's the 'missing ' man ?
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Post by dewsburyborn on Dec 14, 2014 13:12:53 GMT 1
As one who was there yesterday, when the 3rd goal in 6 minutes went in I got a bad bad feeling - the possibility of a repeat of something approaching that fateful day of 7 November 1987 really did seem possible.
There's something to be said that it didn't get worse than 5, but they toyed with us in that final 20 minutes just as Man City had done.
Not nice to see.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 14, 2014 17:36:41 GMT 1
Yes I thought we had a decent chance of winning - and we did. Didn't expect us to get totally arseholed by a team who won one in eight at home Pathetic. We never get anything at Norwich though nick, it's like a bear pit for town!
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 14, 2014 18:17:06 GMT 1
I expect us to lose games, I certainly expect us to lose games when down to 10 men so early on. I don't expect or accept capitulation and I and others are not just happy to be here and to see us struggle year on year. The club must higher its expectations of everyone involved and there should be no acceptance of performances like yesterday. If you retreat and allow another team in this division to attack you and to have little or nothing to worry about then you will get stuffed and we did.
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Post by conman on Dec 14, 2014 18:30:50 GMT 1
Don't worry Powell says it's a one off That's what they said about WW1 They also said it'd be over by Christmas, it fucking well could be at this rate...
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Dec 14, 2014 20:53:12 GMT 1
We had 9 men against Derby for long period in the 2nd half and managed to keep them out...when you talk of 10 men it shouldn't make any difference really, you set upto defend at 4-4-1 while your opponents still keep 2 at the back to mark our one...the result is they have 8 midfield/attackers and we have 8 midfield/defenders plus the keeper..where's the 'missing ' man ? Which we more or less did for most of the first half ie get a lot of players behind the ball and look for a breakaway. God knows what the plan was in the second half. Dixon coming on was way out of the box. We never really had a chance to see what the plan was in the second half because we were 3 down before the half time tea was cold. Afraid bringing on Dixon for wells was akin to Robins starting with that big tall lad v Bournemouth and bringing on Sinnott as a wingback. Norwich clearly had a bollocking at half time and to say they came out of the traps quickly in the second half would have been an understatement.
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Post by Beech's Nuts on Dec 15, 2014 13:27:47 GMT 1
We had 9 men against Derby for long period in the 2nd half and managed to keep them out...when you talk of 10 men it shouldn't make any difference really, you set upto defend at 4-4-1 while your opponents still keep 2 at the back to mark our one...the result is they have 8 midfield/attackers and we have 8 midfield/defenders plus the keeper..where's the 'missing ' man ? Which we more or less did for most of the first half ie get a lot of players behind the ball and look for a breakaway. God knows what the plan was in the second half. Dixon coming on was way out of the box. We never really had a chance to see what the plan was in the second half because we were 3 down before the half time tea was cold. Afraid bringing on Dixon for wells was akin to Robins starting with that big tall lad v Bournemouth and bringing on Sinnott as a wingback. Norwich clearly had a bollocking at half time and to say they came out of the traps quickly in the second half would have been an understatement. To think that Dixon would be able to restrict Redmond, shows the folly of optimism over experience.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Dec 15, 2014 14:59:29 GMT 1
Which we more or less did for most of the first half ie get a lot of players behind the ball and look for a breakaway. God knows what the plan was in the second half. Dixon coming on was way out of the box. We never really had a chance to see what the plan was in the second half because we were 3 down before the half time tea was cold. Afraid bringing on Dixon for wells was akin to Robins starting with that big tall lad v Bournemouth and bringing on Sinnott as a wingback. Norwich clearly had a bollocking at half time and to say they came out of the traps quickly in the second half would have been an understatement. To think that Dixon would be able to restrict Redmond, shows the folly of optimism over experience. Wasn't too much bothered about Dixon v Redmond. Was bothered about Dixon and Robinson in the same back 3, 4, or 5 or whatever it was meant to be. I guess CP has admitted it was his fault and a gamble that didn't come off. It was a very strange gamble when much better gambles were possible. Shouldn't have really been doing anything more than trying to survive and nick one on the break through Scannell and we should have adjusted our game plan to something like that.
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Post by thenuggett on Dec 15, 2014 15:19:50 GMT 1
At Half time its fair to say we where hanging on . I thought at the time the Half Time sub was a good move as Wells was having to drop back into a Left midfield / left back role and Norwich where targeting our left side. I saw Dixon as giving protection playing in fornt of Robinson. However I couldn't believe it when Robinson was moved to CB and Coady resumed his midfield duties despite being outstanding at CB after Wallace's sending off.It seemed to upset the whole balance of the side especially as they brought Redmond on. Its only the second time in 40 years I have left with over ten minutes to go..
I did think the Red card was harsh but Town don't seem to be appealing so maybe it was justified.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Dec 15, 2014 16:28:43 GMT 1
At Half time its fair to say we where hanging on . I thought at the time the Half Time sub was a good move as Wells was having to drop back into a Left midfield / left back role and Norwich where targeting our left side. I saw Dixon as giving protection playing in fornt of Robinson. However I couldn't believe it when Robinson was moved to CB and Coady resumed his midfield duties despite being outstanding at CB after Wallace's sending off.It seemed to upset the whole balance of the side especially as they brought Redmond on. Its only the second time in 40 years I have left with over ten minutes to go.. I did think the Red card was harsh but Town don't seem to be appealing so maybe it was justified. That's pretty much how I saw it and I thought Hudson might have recovered round the back to get in a challenge on Jerome, as he was heading in that direction. I stayed to the bitter end - only because my train didn't go until 5.30! Nice touch from Jerome coming over at the end and giving his kit to some young Town fans who he obviously new.
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Post by Marco4 on Dec 17, 2014 7:59:22 GMT 1
Thought this was quite interesting way of seeing the goals.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 17, 2014 8:21:29 GMT 1
Wow even more embarassing for us What was smithies doing for second one, men v boys
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Post by Floyds on Dec 17, 2014 8:33:38 GMT 1
Smithies didn't dive for three of them, and the first was soft and the fifth he was beaten at his near post!
I know he has his critics, and his supporters, but let's call a spade a spade when he plays poorly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 10:05:19 GMT 1
Smithies didn't dive for three of them, and the first was soft and the fifth he was beaten at his near post! I know he has his critics, and his supporters, but let's call a spade a spade when he plays poorly. The only one I would tend to agree with you on would be the fifth, you're being very harsh imo. The first was right in the corner and diving when the ball is in the back of the net is a bit pointless.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 10:13:43 GMT 1
Wow even more embarassing for us What was smithies doing for second one, men v boys Rubbish Nick, it looped and dropped into the corner, Smithies would have needed to be 12 foot tall to get near it, anyway didn't you say he was a great shot stopper?
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Post by Floyds on Dec 17, 2014 10:16:29 GMT 1
Smithies didn't dive for three of them, and the first was soft and the fifth he was beaten at his near post! I know he has his critics, and his supporters, but let's call a spade a spade when he plays poorly. The only one I would tend to agree with you on would be the fifth, you're being very harsh imo. The first was right in the corner and diving when the ball is in the back of the net is a bit pointless. I'm not sure, I think he could have been more positive on the first, the second looped up over him, the third he dived out of the way leaving an open goal and he should have claimed the 4th! Not an expert in goalkeeping, ergo maybe I shouldn't have an opinion, but that goal cam isn't great viewing for either him or our so called defenders.
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Post by Barbieterrier on Dec 17, 2014 10:19:49 GMT 1
Thought this was quite interesting way of seeing the goals. Oh we were just a shambles. Think of Andy Tate 'not worthy of it - just not worthy of it.' Feel very depressed now for watching that! suicide
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 10:36:46 GMT 1
The only one I would tend to agree with you on would be the fifth, you're being very harsh imo. The first was right in the corner and diving when the ball is in the back of the net is a bit pointless. I'm not sure, I think he could have been more positive on the first, the second looped up over him, the third he dived out of the way leaving an open goal and he should have claimed the 4th! Not an expert in goalkeeping, ergo maybe I shouldn't have an opinion, but that goal cam isn't great viewing for either him or our so called defenders. Nothing wrong with having opinions that's what this boards all about surely? My opinion is the cam view gives a distorted view, no perception of depth, for example the third that you mention, Smithies "dived out of the way" if you watch the highlights he's committed to dive left for the shot from the edge of the box, Robinson (I think) hooks it straight into the scorers path leaving our maligned goalkeeper helpless. Highlights
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Post by Floyds on Dec 17, 2014 11:00:08 GMT 1
I know, it just looks bad!
There's been a few of posts saying (to paraphrase) "people don't understand the goalkeeping role therefore shouldn't comment".
So I was merely caveating my point.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Dec 17, 2014 11:05:36 GMT 1
I know, it just looks bad! There's been a few of posts saying (to paraphrase) "people don't understand the goalkeeping role therefore shouldn't comment". So I was merely caveating my point. Its not rocket science. Or in simple terms - Terry Poole wouldn't haven't have saved any of them.
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Post by In sooth- - on Dec 17, 2014 11:17:24 GMT 1
"caveating" That`s a wonderful new word - - -does it mean "bewareing"?
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Post by Barbieterrier on Dec 17, 2014 11:21:37 GMT 1
"caveating" That`s a wonderful new word - - -does it mean "bewareing"? Barbieterrier googled it
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Post by Floyds on Dec 17, 2014 11:39:03 GMT 1
Is it a new word?
I caveat things all the time at work, e.g.
"Yes, although I caveat that by pointing out that x was responsible for producing y"
To cover my back when I'm not 100% sure.
Easy.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Dec 17, 2014 13:49:01 GMT 1
Wow even more embarassing for us What was smithies doing for second one, men v boys Not men v boys, 11 v 10 with Norwich players who had just had a rocket up their asses Smithies watched their second loop over him into the top corner, as any keeper not 12-15ft would have had to do. Embarrassment is what I feel for you when I try to read some of your crowbarred 'puns' you must think are in someway humourous when posting them. Who postied that image portraying you, just gold.
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Post by Marco4 on Dec 17, 2014 14:04:20 GMT 1
I know, it just looks bad! There's been a few of posts saying (to paraphrase) "people don't understand the goalkeeping role therefore shouldn't comment". So I was merely caveating my point. I'm certainly to blame for one of those. From my point of view, I would say I'd respect the opinion of a goalkeeper on goalkeeping over a non-goalkeeping any time, because those who aren't goalkeepers understand the role less well - probably moreso than for any other position. I would never discourage comment, and would cite the discussion of the goal that looped over Smithies above as an example why. Loved the use of 'caveat', too.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 17, 2014 19:35:58 GMT 1
Wow even more embarassing for us What was smithies doing for second one, men v boys Not men v boys, 11 v 10 with Norwich players who had just had a rocket up their asses Smithies watched their second loop over him into the top corner, as any keeper not 12-15ft would have had to do. Embarrassment is what I feel for you when I try to read some of your crowbarred 'puns' you must think are in someway humourous when posting them. Who postied that image portraying you, just gold. Cheers Doc, you need a medical imo. Stop taking it tooooo seriously mate. It was embarassing though.
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