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Post by shawsie on Dec 13, 2014 18:56:04 GMT 1
I thought it was widely discussed/known that Gerrard is s disruptive influence? If that's why he's not playing, so be it. I'm happy to trust the staff. I think Wallace is just the latest boo boy, he's young and still learning his trade but hes decent as far as I'm concerned. Any of our defenders even at the top of their game are gonna have bad games/get bossed in this league, they are coming up against multi million pound striking talent week in week out. But hes not that young rich..........he is 22 next month!!!! I know he can and may improve, but i cant think of a single attribute he brings that fills either the fellow players or supporters with any confidence!
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 13, 2014 18:57:22 GMT 1
Just one week ago there was a thread and half-a-dozen regulars said this was our best team since 99..and possibly better. I burst out laughing, delusional. Not a single Town player would make a Prem reserve squad...fact. Thats irrelevant though. The premier league is unrecognisable to 1999 & the gap is far bigger between the top divisions than it was then. We are consistently competitive at this level. Norwich has pretty much a Premier league squad and playing without a central midfielder for 80 minutes would've meant trouble for every other championship team today. Consistently competitive at this level. Lets see now...113 games since our return and 35 wins...goal difference minus 38. Think we have drubbed 2 teams...we have been battered countless times. Even the forest win did not reflect the game. How people canotn be annoyed by a 5-0 drubbing is beyond me. Bournemouth and Brentford..top of the league.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Dec 13, 2014 19:01:43 GMT 1
Not much wrong with the starting line up. Same as last week. Looked comfortable and should have been ahead after Wells double miss when he should have scored after being cleverly put through by Hogg. Mistake by Hudson led to Wallace being sent off. Defended reasonably well for rest of half. Bizarre half time sub by cp and then shambles for 10 minutes. No need to panic. Would have been a decent match 11 v 11. It would have been shocking to drop Wallace for Gerrard today after he was very good last week. Sounds like he got badly let down by Hudson (who has been coming up short for a few games now) and now getting slated for one presumably desperate tackle on here.
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Post by richhtfc on Dec 13, 2014 19:02:41 GMT 1
Thats irrelevant though. The premier league is unrecognisable to 1999 & the gap is far bigger between the top divisions than it was then. We are consistently competitive at this level. Norwich has pretty much a Premier league squad and playing without a central midfielder for 80 minutes would've meant trouble for every other championship team today. Consistently competitive at this level. Lets see now...113 games since our return and 35 wins...goal difference minus 38. Think we have drubbed 2 teams...we have been battered countless times. Even the forest win did not reflect the game. How people can be annoyed by a 5-0 drubbing is beyond me. Bournemouth and Brentford..top of the league. They're having good seasons because of their momentum, we did similar first year up. Our fortunes are directly tied to our level of investment. I'd still rather this than than playing the shite that's in league 1
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Dec 13, 2014 19:10:45 GMT 1
Not much wrong with the starting line up. Same as last week. Looked comfortable and should have been ahead after Wells double miss when he should have scored after being cleverly put through by Hogg. Mistake by Hudson led to Wallace being sent off. Defended reasonably well for rest of half. Bizarre half time sub by cp and then shambles for 10 minutes. No need to panic. Would have been a decent match 11 v 11. It would have been shocking to drop Wallace for Gerrard today after he was very good last week. Sounds like he got badly let down by Hudson (who has been coming up short for a few games now) and now getting slated for one presumably desperate tackle on here. Yes it was a bit of poor control from Hudson was the main mistake. Copper next to me said Wallace should have let Jerome through as he would have missed! In any case we would have been better off 1-0 down with 11 men as we were definitely in this game.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Dec 13, 2014 19:19:39 GMT 1
Thats irrelevant though. The premier league is unrecognisable to 1999 & the gap is far bigger between the top divisions than it was then. We are consistently competitive at this level. Norwich has pretty much a Premier league squad and playing without a central midfielder for 80 minutes would've meant trouble for every other championship team today. Consistently competitive at this level. Lets see now...113 games since our return and 35 wins...goal difference minus 38. Think we have drubbed 2 teams...we have been battered countless times. Even the forest win did not reflect the game. How people can be annoyed by a 5-0 drubbing is beyond me. Bournemouth and Brentford..top of the league. Yet we are a lot more competitive this season than last. Don't panic at today's result. We are just as likely do Birmingham over next week. Most worrisome thing today was the strange half time substitution.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Dec 13, 2014 19:24:36 GMT 1
Not much wrong with the starting line up. Same as last week. Looked comfortable and should have been ahead after Wells double miss when he should have scored after being cleverly put through by Hogg. Mistake by Hudson led to Wallace being sent off. Defended reasonably well for rest of half. Bizarre half time sub by cp and then shambles for 10 minutes. No need to panic. Would have been a decent match 11 v 11. It would have been shocking to drop Wallace for Gerrard today after he was very good last week. Sounds like he got badly let down by Hudson (who has been coming up short for a few games now) and now getting slated for one presumably desperate tackle on here. This is true but what was equally shocking was Powell's decision to bring Dixon on instead of Gerrard! And I'm not having a go at Dixon but it seems bloody obvious to me that if your centre half goes off at 0-0 you bring on a like for like replacement (or in this case a better replacement).
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Post by Skint Terriers on Dec 13, 2014 19:29:37 GMT 1
The decision to bring Dixon on still baffles me. If Gerrard is really that disliked why couldn't Peltier of just played at the back?
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Dec 13, 2014 19:29:48 GMT 1
Powell knew that Redmond was coming on for Norwich so he brought Dixon on so that we could go to a flat back 4 instead of having 3 at the back.
Gerrard is not a left back so we had to bring a full back on.
Simple decision. We went to 4-4-1 instead of 3-4-2.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Dec 13, 2014 19:35:56 GMT 1
Powell knew that Redmond was coming on for Norwich so he brought Dixon on so that we could go to a flat back 4 instead of having 3 at the back. Gerrard is not a left back so we had to bring a full back on. Simple decision. We went to 4-4-1 instead of 3-4-2. Gerrard's a centre half and so is Wallace. Straight swap and you have your back four. Instead he had two left backs on the pitch and one centre half. Where's the logic in that?
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Post by sedgefieldterrier on Dec 13, 2014 19:42:25 GMT 1
Listening to the game on Town Player - personally only have the occasional problem. Will be interested to see on TV (Football League Show) if Murray Wallace 'had' to bring down Cameron Jerome. Bit surprised that both Grant Holt and (in particular) Nahki Wells are on the pitch. Would have taken a point at 3.00 pm - would definitely take one now !!! What's wrong with the medium with Oggy? Live in the North East (Sedgefield - County Durham). Cannot get a Radio Leeds MW reception. Oggy and Kieron sound just the same on Town Player - but 5 minutes after the event.
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Post by sedgefieldterrier on Dec 13, 2014 19:43:15 GMT 1
Listening to the game on Town Player - personally only have the occasional problem. Will be interested to see on TV (Football League Show) if Murray Wallace 'had' to bring down Cameron Jerome. Bit surprised that both Grant Holt and (in particular) Nahki Wells are on the pitch. Would have taken a point at 3.00 pm - would definitely take one now !!! What's wrong with the medium with Oggy? Live in the North East (Sedgefield - County Durham). Cannot get a Radio Leeds MW reception. Oggy and Kieron sound just the same on Town Player - but 5 minutes after the event.
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Post by suffolkterrier on Dec 13, 2014 19:47:59 GMT 1
Just got back to Suffolk; thank god only had a short journey home !! The game hinged on the sending off ;shocking effort by Hudson to control a not particulary dangerous ball' leaving Wallace with a decision to make, he brought Jerome down; had to go. We defended well in the first half ; plenty of commitment but just fell apart straight after half time. No way back after that. One other thing, if you want to stand up the whole game , go to the back of the stand and not be so selfish as to block everybody else's view in the middle.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Dec 13, 2014 19:55:48 GMT 1
Powell knew that Redmond was coming on for Norwich so he brought Dixon on so that we could go to a flat back 4 instead of having 3 at the back. Gerrard is not a left back so we had to bring a full back on. Simple decision. We went to 4-4-1 instead of 3-4-2. Still baffled that he didn't leave Robinson at left back and bring Gerrard on at centre half. Didn't need Robinson at centre half
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Dec 13, 2014 19:58:05 GMT 1
Powell knew that Redmond was coming on for Norwich so he brought Dixon on so that we could go to a flat back 4 instead of having 3 at the back. Gerrard is not a left back so we had to bring a full back on. Simple decision. We went to 4-4-1 instead of 3-4-2. Gerrard's a centre half and so is Wallace. Straight swap and you have your back four. Instead he had two left backs on the pitch and one centre half. Where's the logic in that? Who would have been right back? Coady? So you would have had Robinson Gerrard Hudson and Coady. Instead we had Dixon Hudson Coady and Robinson (who can play both right and left back). Peltier would have been a better choice than Dixon so that we had Robinson left back and Peltier right back. Gerrard would have left us a full back short.
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Post by Stewpot on Dec 13, 2014 20:03:58 GMT 1
So we lose 5-0, and Birmingham win 6-1. Next week home to Brum - nailed on for a home win, that`s how it usually goes, hopefully !
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Dec 13, 2014 20:06:03 GMT 1
Having read that back I realise that smith was playing. My bad!
Puzzling sub indeed. Should have brought Gerrard on or a winger so that wells didn't have to play wide left in the 4-4-1
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Post by ritchie on Dec 13, 2014 20:09:34 GMT 1
Gerrard's a centre half and so is Wallace. Straight swap and you have your back four. Instead he had two left backs on the pitch and one centre half. Where's the logic in that? Who would have been right back? Coady? So you would have had Robinson Gerrard Hudson and Coady. Instead we had Dixon Hudson Coady and Robinson (who can play both right and left back). Peltier would have been a better choice than Dixon so that we had Robinson left back and Peltier right back. Gerrard would have left us a full back short. Eh I didnt listen to the game...but wasnt smith playing right back? gerrard was the obvious choice...not sure why dixon would come on - did robinson move to CB?
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Post by In sooth- - on Dec 13, 2014 20:36:40 GMT 1
There are too many questions here.
And not enough answers.
Let us all simply think about it until monday.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 20:41:12 GMT 1
Thats irrelevant though. The premier league is unrecognisable to 1999 & the gap is far bigger between the top divisions than it was then. We are consistently competitive at this level. Norwich has pretty much a Premier league squad and playing without a central midfielder for 80 minutes would've meant trouble for every other championship team today. Consistently competitive at this level. Lets see now...113 games since our return and 35 wins...goal difference minus 38. Think we have drubbed 2 teams...we have been battered countless times. Even the forest win did not reflect the game. How people canotn be annoyed by a 5-0 drubbing is beyond me. Bournemouth and Brentford..top of the league. I was only referring to the the team since Powell took over when we've been competitive every game except leeds away. Obviously today we were not but better teams than us would've struggled with 80 mins with ten men. I am annoyed and if I'd been there I'd have been aperplectic in the stands, especially if I'd thought anyone in the blue and white were not giving 100%. However, it's one game and atypical to most of the team's performances since Powell took over. I wouldn't bet against us beating Brum next week.
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Post by richhtfc on Dec 13, 2014 20:42:55 GMT 1
So after Cody has proved a decent replacement for Wallace for 25 minutes, Powell takes a striker and brings on another defender (our most attacking one). Presumably he was hoping we'd continue our good defensive work but Dixon would be able to help in breaks and get crosses in for Holt to get on the end of. It's a positive sub instead of putting another centre half on and inviting them on to us with a man less attacking outlet. Am I missing something?
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Post by terrierpark on Dec 13, 2014 21:00:28 GMT 1
So after Cody has proved a decent replacement for Wallace for 25 minutes, Powell takes a striker and brings on another defender (our most attacking one). Presumably he was hoping we'd continue our good defensive work but Dixon would be able to help in breaks and get crosses in for Holt to get on the end of. It's a positive sub instead of putting another centre half on and inviting them on to us with a man less attacking outlet. Am I missing something? That could have been what powell was thinking BUT you would think that after Holt struggled to make an impact on his own v fulham and v wendies he would not have chose that option if he had any thoughts about remaing an attacking force in the game. The answer was as i suggested take holt and wells off put JV on who can play the loan role and gerrard. Having said that the players themselves once again prove shambolic and it is no wonder we struggle for support when no matter who the personnel are or who is managing us the same result another arse kicking at Norwich. Dean Hoyle should have gone down the dressing room and shamed the bloody lot of them and told the team that collectively they refund every fans ticket and travel money.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Dec 13, 2014 21:02:43 GMT 1
We have recently seen for ourselves what this town team are capable of ,but questions need to be asked as to why there is such player and team inconsistensy throughout the squad. The only players who should be in this town squad are those with the "ability to do the job," and find it hard to believe that one week we witness the best performance of the season, which is followed the following week by arquably the worst. This town defence have a unacceptable goals against record, and very clear to see that there can little or no room for error at championship level. Time now for Powell to look at offloading any deadwood that are not capable of making a vital contribution to keeping this club in the championship, and replace them with championship quality strenth in depth that is vital to cover suspensions,injuries and poor player form.
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Post by samhudds on Dec 13, 2014 21:16:44 GMT 1
Why all the doom and gloom? I would have thought a 7-5 victory after being 5-0 down with 10 men would make at least some of you happy!! ?
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Post by terrierpark on Dec 13, 2014 21:27:33 GMT 1
We have recently seen for ourselves what this town team are capable of ,but questions need to be asked as to why there is such player and team inconsistensy throughout the squad. The only players who should be in this town squad are those with the "ability to do the job," and find it hard to believe that one week we witness the best performance of the season, which is followed the following week by arquably the worst. This town defence have a unacceptable goals against record, and very clear to see that there can little or no room for error at championship level. Time now for Powell to look at offloading any deadwood that are not capable of making a vital contribution to keeping this club in the championship, and replace them with championship quality strenth in depth that is vital to cover suspensions,injuries and poor player form. We obviously dont have the money to buy enough championship class players because of our willingness to buy instead young players we think we can develop no sell on at a huge profit but in reality hardly play them at all in favour of the established match day squad that prove to be a lottery both in terms of their performance and result.
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Post by Lard Buttie on Dec 13, 2014 21:34:57 GMT 1
Are you that "melllloooooooowwww" poster"
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Post by Stewpot on Dec 13, 2014 21:36:41 GMT 1
we need to react and reorganise while its still 0-0. I was going to suggest in a sort of ironic way - 0-0 at half time, Norwich think with all the close shaves they have this in the bag, so play a rather adventurous 2 - 3 - 4 in the 2nd half, and rather than delay the inevitable, shock the f``k out of them. Would my strategy have resulted in a 5-0 loss, who knows ? ! Might have been 7-2 !
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Dec 13, 2014 21:37:07 GMT 1
So after Cody has proved a decent replacement for Wallace for 25 minutes, Powell takes a striker and brings on another defender (our most attacking one). Presumably he was hoping we'd continue our good defensive work but Dixon would be able to help in breaks and get crosses in for Holt to get on the end of. It's a positive sub instead of putting another centre half on and inviting them on to us with a man less attacking outlet. Am I missing something? You are indeed missing something. Why play Robinson as a centre half would be the bit that you are missing - so therefore why bring Dixon on at all?
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Dec 13, 2014 21:38:23 GMT 1
we need to react and reorganise while its still 0-0. I was going to suggest in a sort of ironic way - 0-0 at half time, Norwich think with all the close shaves they have this in the bag, so play a rather adventurous 2 - 3 - 4 in the 2nd half, and rather than delay the inevitable, shock the f``k out of them. Would my strategy have resulted in a 5-0 loss, who knows ? ! Might have been 7-2 ! Norwich were poor in the first half. Redmond made a big impact when he came on in the second half.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 13, 2014 22:21:05 GMT 1
honestly who gives a fuck, did anyone expect us to get a win today?
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