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Post by benhomly on Dec 20, 2014 23:18:22 GMT 1
How can you blame him for a top corner screamer (assuming that is the one you meant)? I'm assuming he meant the 3rd goal from McCormack which on route to the top corner went through Smithies' hands. Spot on
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 21, 2014 1:49:25 GMT 1
Hope Murphy is back very soon, we have to get him in the goal. Is that part of your ongoing mission to be the DATM resident village idiot?
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Post by lochnessterrier on Dec 21, 2014 8:26:33 GMT 1
Hope Murphy is back very soon, we have to get him in the goal. Smithies won us the game against Brentford. Please stop being so fickle.
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Post by shawsie on Dec 21, 2014 9:02:57 GMT 1
Completely serious, they all had plenty of time on the ball but if they have no attacking outlet what exactly are they supposed to do with it? There was no overlapping by the full backs (presumably because of team orders) and no movement from their team mates generally. I accept that they could as s midfield unit have pushed on more but it seemed to me that tactics are to blame today. It didn't feel like the midfield. we're overrun at all, that's what's so dissapointing. Brum were there for the taking. All 3 had multiple occasions when 10/15 yds of space opened up for them to carry it forward....but oh no, let's pass it 5 yds sideways and backwards! Pathetic. Am not saying we were overrun.....but we were at home. The onus was on us to win it...they came happy for a point. So did we. We made more mistakes and lost.......whoopee that will really get more bums on seats. Am not expecting the midfield 3 to go to Norwich, boro, derby and dominate......but I am expecting more life and energy at home against a bang average team than those 3 produced yesterday. I swear at times it was like watching the chuckle bros......from me to you to me to you. Slow boring predictable easy to play against guff. Powells tactics were crap......but the players should be able to think on their feet and too often don't or can't.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 21, 2014 9:13:08 GMT 1
Hope Murphy is back very soon, we have to get him in the goal. Is that part of your ongoing mission to be the DATM resident village idiot? Your daft to say that. Most of us see all the mistakes he makes. Murphy looked much more confident in the game he played. Can I ask why you may think it acceptable for a keeper to make bad mistakes and not command his area then ? I won't resort to insults either ?
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Post by Floyds on Dec 21, 2014 9:27:30 GMT 1
God knows what Smithies was doing for their goal.
Just in the few games I've been to, he's let a couple in like that this season (Leeds and Fulham away).
He can make some good saves, but he also makes some real errors.
Guess he's your average bottom half Championship keeper, much like the standard of the rest of our players.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 21, 2014 10:44:52 GMT 1
Is that part of your ongoing mission to be the DATM resident village idiot? Your daft to say that. Most of us see all the mistakes he makes. Murphy looked much more confident in the game he played. Can I ask why you may think it acceptable for a keeper to make bad mistakes and not command his area then ? I won't resort to insults either ? Im not meaning to insult you, just pointing out a home truth- You can't expect to spend month after month TRYING to come across as a loveable idiot, then mind too much if the attention you crave is basically people thinking you're an idiot. Smithies made a mistake. He'll be gutted about it but hes won us a shed load of points this season with phenomenal saves and been one of our better players. All keepers cost their teams points. Smithies doesn't cost us any more than is normal and probably a lot less in reality. As for that old bollox about not commanding his box. Give me one instance this season where hes come flapping for a cross that he hasn't got to, or spilled a cross, because i can't actually think of one.
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Post by York Terrier on Dec 21, 2014 10:50:12 GMT 1
Does Smithies have a problem with crosses and shots from the right hand side ? Yesterday goal was coming just right of centre Fulham was coming from the right of the box as was the second goal at Leeds whilst against Brentford I think all his saves came from shots from the left. What appears to happen in each of these goals is he is not stood up tall and appears to be going down as if to save a low shot and the ball goes in just above his head at shoulder height.
Yes it was a poor performance yesterday but we would have got a point if he had just saved what appeared to be a very simple shot,also I don't think CP setting the team up 433 is negative what it needs is the team to play a high line and the midfield to push on and support GH yesterday no one got around him and at times when SS broke we had no one in the box.
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Post by ACW on Dec 21, 2014 11:32:54 GMT 1
Does Smithies have a problem with crosses and shots from the right hand side ? Yesterday goal was coming just right of centre Fulham was coming from the right of the box as was the second goal at Leeds whilst against Brentford I think all his saves came from shots from the left. What appears to happen in each of these goals is he is not stood up tall and appears to be going down as if to save a low shot and the ball goes in just above his head at shoulder height. Yes it was a poor performance yesterday but we would have got a point if he had just saved what appeared to be a very simple shot,also I don't think CP setting the team up 433 is negative what it needs is the team to play a high line and the midfield to push on and support GH yesterday no one got around him and at times when SS broke we had no one in the box. I disagree - although the players were poor it was obvious they were told to hold their positions and keep things as tight as possible. The midfield made no attempt to get forward, even when the opportunity was there, the full backs failed to support the wingers and Holt was left isolated up front. Yes, the players were to blame in part, but it was obvious they had been instructed to hold their positions as much as possible which meant we had no fluidity on the ball and no real attacking intent when we had it.
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Post by richhtfc on Dec 21, 2014 11:44:35 GMT 1
Does Smithies have a problem with crosses and shots from the right hand side ? Yesterday goal was coming just right of centre Fulham was coming from the right of the box as was the second goal at Leeds whilst against Brentford I think all his saves came from shots from the left. What appears to happen in each of these goals is he is not stood up tall and appears to be going down as if to save a low shot and the ball goes in just above his head at shoulder height. Yes it was a poor performance yesterday but we would have got a point if he had just saved what appeared to be a very simple shot,also I don't think CP setting the team up 433 is negative what it needs is the team to play a high line and the midfield to push on and support GH yesterday no one got around him and at times when SS broke we had no one in the box. I disagree - although the players were poor it was obvious they were told to hold their positions and keep things as tight as possible. The midfield made no attempt to get forward, even when the opportunity was there, the full backs failed to support the wingers and Holt was left isolated up front. Yes, the players were to blame in part, but it was obvious they had been instructed to hold their positions as much as possible which meant we had no fluidity on the ball and no real attacking intent when we had it. Exactly
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Post by shawsie on Dec 21, 2014 11:52:45 GMT 1
Does Smithies have a problem with crosses and shots from the right hand side ? Yesterday goal was coming just right of centre Fulham was coming from the right of the box as was the second goal at Leeds whilst against Brentford I think all his saves came from shots from the left. What appears to happen in each of these goals is he is not stood up tall and appears to be going down as if to save a low shot and the ball goes in just above his head at shoulder height. Yes it was a poor performance yesterday but we would have got a point if he had just saved what appeared to be a very simple shot,also I don't think CP setting the team up 433 is negative what it needs is the team to play a high line and the midfield to push on and support GH yesterday no one got around him and at times when SS broke we had no one in the box. His problem is his positioning......he is too far out! Yesterday before it was struck I said I didn't like where he was 7/8 yds out before the kick was struck. Quite what he was actually trying to do I do t know but if on his line he could have just pushed it up and over.........it was hardly ripping the corner was it?! Poor mistake and not the first time, however he was far from the worst player yesterday......come in mr butterfield!
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Post by swam4mwg on Dec 21, 2014 15:01:25 GMT 1
Bad mistake by Smithies, but he was a match winner against Brentford. That just about sums Smithies up. Great saves ,but he lets in some real howlers. Then again the free kick conceded was avoidable.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 21, 2014 15:14:50 GMT 1
Your daft to say that. Most of us see all the mistakes he makes. Murphy looked much more confident in the game he played. Can I ask why you may think it acceptable for a keeper to make bad mistakes and not command his area then ? I won't resort to insults either ? Im not meaning to insult you, just pointing out a home truth- You can't expect to spend month after month TRYING to come across as a loveable idiot, then mind too much if the attention you crave is basically people thinking you're an idiot. Smithies made a mistake. He'll be gutted about it but hes won us a shed load of points this season with phenomenal saves and been one of our better players. All keepers cost their teams points. Smithies doesn't cost us any more than is normal and probably a lot less in reality. As for that old bollox about not commanding his box. Give me one instance this season where hes come flapping for a cross that he hasn't got to, or spilled a cross, because i can't actually think of one. Just my opinion of him, and many who sit near me. I'm just me Captainslaps, I don't act or pretend, And I don't think he commands his box, he's more flaps than Donald Duck. His kicking isn't great either. Just think he's gone backwards and other clubs won't be in a queue. As I say, it's my opinion and many more. He should never of let the McCormack goal got hu him at Fulham. Just agree to disagree....
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 21, 2014 15:46:27 GMT 1
Watch from behind, deary me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 16:25:18 GMT 1
Watch from behind, deary me. Yes Deary me Nick. I've watched it several times and the free kick deflects off the head of a town player in the wall whilst smithies is going a differant way but of course that won't fit into your hate campaign of smithies. It's all smithies fault.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 21, 2014 16:29:14 GMT 1
Watch from behind, deary me. Yes Deary me Nick. I've watched it several times and the free kick deflects off the head of a town player in the wall whilst smithies is going a differant way but of course that won't fit into your hate campaign of smithies. It's all smithies fault. Don't be pedantic, he clearly should of saved it, I don't hate him, he's just very poor.
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Post by Skint Terriers on Dec 21, 2014 16:30:27 GMT 1
Don't understand why Smithies is getting so much shit? Our best keeper by far
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 16:33:54 GMT 1
Yes Deary me Nick. I've watched it several times and the free kick deflects off the head of a town player in the wall whilst smithies is going a differant way but of course that won't fit into your hate campaign of smithies. It's all smithies fault. Don't be pedantic, he clearly should of saved it, I don't hate him, he's just very poor. Bloody hell Nick, watch the bloody video again and focus on the replay from behind. The free kick taker hardly tapped it did he? Smithies is going and it deflects. Without replay I accept it looks clumsy but your becoming relentless on this anti smithies stuff. It stayed after the Brentford game which speaks volumes.
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Post by wigster on Dec 21, 2014 16:34:36 GMT 1
Thanks for this Nick - at the time I tended to blame Smithies but the ball was deflected. Not what you intended, I suspect, but shows he wasn't at fault. Thanks again.
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Post by rocky on Dec 21, 2014 16:51:36 GMT 1
Don't be pedantic, he clearly should of saved it, I don't hate him, he's just very poor. Bloody hell Nick, watch the bloody video again and focus on the replay from behind. The free kick taker hardly tapped it did he? Smithies is going and it deflects. Without replay I accept it looks clumsy but your becoming relentless on this anti smithies stuff. It stayed after the Brentford game which speaks volumes. Bloody hell Ben, good spot mate - you're eyes are obviously younger than mine! I didn't pick up on that first time, but there is a slight deflection off Hogg & he can't adjust in time. Terrible goal to concede though, shit pass out to Robinson, but what's he thinking of? Plus it's not a foul in the first place - Donaldson just runs straight into Gerrard as fast as he can & there's no chance of him getting out of the way. The Holt miss is just another e.g. (after Wells v Brentford & Butterfield v Bolton) where the keeper spreads himself well & makes a good save - all 3 were just as much to do with luck though as much as judgement. Not many things going Town's way at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 17:06:18 GMT 1
Bloody hell Nick, watch the bloody video again and focus on the replay from behind. The free kick taker hardly tapped it did he? Smithies is going and it deflects. Without replay I accept it looks clumsy but your becoming relentless on this anti smithies stuff. It stayed after the Brentford game which speaks volumes. Bloody hell Ben, good spot mate - you're eyes are obviously younger than mine! I didn't pick up on that first time, but there is a slight deflection off Hogg & he can't adjust in time. Terrible goal to concede though, shit pass out to Robinson, but what's he thinking of? Plus it's not a foul in the first place - Donaldson just runs straight into Gerrard as fast as he can & there's no chance of him getting out of the way. The Holt miss is just another e.g. (after Wells v Brentford & Butterfield v Bolton) where the keeper spreads himself well & makes a good save - all 3 were just as much to do with luck though as much as judgement. Not many things going Town's way at the moment. My eyes used to be good mate, but they were damaged yesterday around 3pm.... Not sure how.
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Post by Giggity on Dec 21, 2014 18:26:52 GMT 1
Piss poor from Smithies and the defence in the buildup to the free kick. Sunday league stuff.
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Dec 21, 2014 18:45:31 GMT 1
Poor keeping from Smithies and it always make's me laugh when people say "look at all the points he has saved for us!!" that is his job. Why have Bolton started to climb the league, they have a keeper that has won them many game's week in week out since Lennon went there. Smithies is an average keeper at best, but you cant blame him for yesterday's defeat, it was the build up for the goal that lead to their free kick, it was worse than school boy stuff.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Dec 21, 2014 20:03:43 GMT 1
Deflection or not that was definitely Smithies fault!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 21:04:08 GMT 1
Thanks for that replay Nick, I had put that goal down as Smithies' fault but after seeing it from that angle ill hold my hands up. Anybody thats played the game knows how awkward a deflection makes it to readjust your feet. Also looking past my disappointment yesterday them highlights said to me that was a game we were very unlucky to have not won. Massive over reaction on here by some also it seems and yes i did witness the whole game, some of the shite I've been reading on here reminds me of the expectations of the Westham way brigade.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 21, 2014 21:38:54 GMT 1
Deflection or not that was definitely Smithies fault! Can only presume youve never played in goal cos that doesn't show any understanding of how hard it is when a powerful shot knicks off someone. Would have been a great reaction save if hed ajusted quickly enough to save it, but criticising him for not doing is wrong. Not smithies fault. Just summed up our day. They had one shot and it took a lucky deflection. Our defending didn't deserve that as it was strong all afternoon.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Dec 21, 2014 21:57:36 GMT 1
Deflection or not that was definitely Smithies fault! Can only presume youve never played in goal cos that doesn't show any understanding of how hard it is when a powerful shot knicks off someone. Would have been a great reaction save if hed ajusted quickly enough to save it, but criticising him for not doing is wrong. Not smithies fault. Just summed up our day. They had one shot and it took a lucky deflection. Our defending didn't deserve that as it was strong all afternoon. Sorry but I have to disagree with you. The shot took a slight deflection but hardly altered its path at all. The trouble with Smithies is that he's developed this habit of trying to punch the ball instead of palming it in a more controlled way.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 21, 2014 22:30:13 GMT 1
Don't understand why Smithies is getting so much shit? Our best keeper by far Because some people near Nick said it!
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Post by Stiggy on Dec 21, 2014 23:17:49 GMT 1
We really are shit at defending set pieces. That must be the forth free kick that we've conceded from this season. F*cking crap we are! Smithies positioning for that one was terrible.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 21, 2014 23:30:33 GMT 1
We really are shit at defending set pieces. That must be the forth free kick that we've conceded from this season. F*cking crap we are! Smithies positioning for that one was terrible. Smithies can't do wrong, tut utter.
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