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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 9:28:54 GMT 1
Not done enough in his time. We gave young players coming up in his position too
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Post by patfield on May 23, 2015 9:38:59 GMT 1
Gobern for me has been inconsistent since he's been here. Granted he has had a lot of injuries. Lets not get blinded by his recent good performances. I think he is a good squad player but no more. Not as good as Hogg.
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Post by ringdisco on May 23, 2015 10:38:06 GMT 1
Not saying he's better than Hogg, but at least he had a decent shot on him. Sad to see him go, at least without a fee.
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on May 23, 2015 10:46:51 GMT 1
Completely different player to Hogg, he can pass a ball for starters. Oscar can play and has the ability to spot a decent ball forward. Hogg is more of a grafter who harries and breaks up play but is best keeping it simple and is prone to giving it away in dangerous positions when trying to do anything else.
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Post by morleyterrier on May 23, 2015 11:08:38 GMT 1
Well, if he does want to leave cue the usual round Of 'he was shit anyway', 'good riddance' and all that bollocks whenever a Player dare consider his career elsewhere.
We have seen it so many times before with previous Players, hell even Jordan Rhodes got it despite what he achieved for us, including the profit. How dare he move and take an obscene amount of money in what is a short career span.
All the best if you do go Oscar, limited opportunity and injury have plagued your time here and maybe it is time for a fresh start.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 23, 2015 11:14:55 GMT 1
Gobern for me has been inconsistent since he's been here. Granted he has had a lot of injuries. Lets not get blinded by his recent good performances. I think he is a good squad player but no more. Not as good as Hogg. Maybe he " doesn't feel part of the club anymore " pat
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Post by kes on May 23, 2015 11:33:29 GMT 1
We`re clearly offering him a new deal below his current salary or we`d just activate the one year extension clause. Town will probably activate this in order to command a fee in which case his options will be more limited than if he was a free agent. Sure a similar thing happened with Ward and clubs cooled their interest in him when a fee plus his wages had to be found.
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Post by swam4mwg on May 23, 2015 12:34:49 GMT 1
The question mark was more about his time out with injuries, rather than his ability. He showed at the back end of the season that he can do a job. If he can get a better offer elsewhere, then you can't blame him for going.
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Post by terraceterrier on May 23, 2015 13:34:03 GMT 1
Hogg had a good season up to the injury never lets us down.....Billing is a good understudy for OG, a similar player tall and rangy with more technical ability than Oscar imo. Therefore not too worried about Oscar leaving, more concerned about the defence..... new centre back needed asap, securing services of Reece and maybe another fullback
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 14:25:07 GMT 1
Well, if he does want to leave cue the usual round Of 'he was shit anyway', 'good riddance' and all that bollocks whenever a Player dare consider his career elsewhere. We have seen it so many times before with previous Players, hell even Jordan Rhodes got it despite what he achieved for us, including the profit. How dare he move and take an obscene amount of money in what is a short career span. All the best if you do go Oscar, limited opportunity and injury have plagued your time here and maybe it is time for a fresh start. Well said an by the way nothing as been sorted yet one way or the other
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 15:06:10 GMT 1
So we've offered him wages lower than what he is currently on. That must mean we are confident that we can find someone as good as Gobern who will sign for a similar amount of pay as we are offering Gobern. Dangerous way to approach it and I very doubt we will be able to
Can't see that he is on massive money anyway
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Post by amoeba on May 23, 2015 15:08:56 GMT 1
The question mark was more about his time out with injuries, rather than his ability. He showed at the back end of the season that he can do a job. If he can get a better offer elsewhere, then you can't blame him for going. I like Oscar a lot but as you say it his injuries that have held him back here and I think it could be argued that he owes us at least another year due to the wages he has picked up whilst out injured.It would probably help his case with other clubs as well if he could get an good injury free season under his belt rather than 2 months here and there. I think the fact that Oscar was picked ahead of Hogg towards the end of the season shows that he is definitely part of Powell's plans and could expect more game time next season. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using proboards
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Post by Essex Terrier on May 23, 2015 15:20:05 GMT 1
This is all sounding a bit like some soppy tale of unrequited love - you sack the plain old girlfreind off, only to discover as she is walking out the door that her dad has a box at Town, owns a brewery and a holiday home in the Seychelles and that she is about to come into a considerable amount of money from an old aunt who has just kicked the bucket, and suddenly she is the most attractive bird you have ever met!
You think to yourself "I wonder if I will regret this one day, or look back and laugh" - just as those nice guys in the white coats and the sleeves that buckle across your front arrive.....
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 16:05:17 GMT 1
We`re clearly offering him a new deal below his current salary or we`d just activate the one year extension clause. Town will probably activate this in order to command a fee in which case his options will be more limited than if he was a free agent. Sure a similar thing happened with Ward and clubs cooled their interest in him when a fee plus his wages had to be found. Doesnt that only apply to u23s?
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Post by kes on May 23, 2015 17:14:57 GMT 1
We`re clearly offering him a new deal below his current salary or we`d just activate the one year extension clause. Town will probably activate this in order to command a fee in which case his options will be more limited than if he was a free agent. Sure a similar thing happened with Ward and clubs cooled their interest in him when a fee plus his wages had to be found. Doesnt that only apply to u23s? If you have an option of another year which we apparently have then we can choose to release him now or take it up. If we take it up he`s not a free agent and could then only move under our terms.
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Post by specialun on May 23, 2015 17:34:14 GMT 1
He always has a good few games when he comes in then form dips off. Always has been inconsistent. I'll judge him on 4 years not 4 games (when he played well) and yes he can 'do a job' but imo if we want to progress I wouldn't have offered him a new contract - I can see why we have.
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Post by terrierng on May 23, 2015 18:06:20 GMT 1
So we've offered him wages lower than what he is currently on. That must mean we are confident that we can find someone as good as Gobern who will sign for a similar amount of pay as we are offering Gobern. Dangerous way to approach it and I very doubt we will be able to Can't see that he is on massive money anyway Or we have someone ready to step up,cough,billing,cough?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 18:11:46 GMT 1
So we've offered him wages lower than what he is currently on. That must mean we are confident that we can find someone as good as Gobern who will sign for a similar amount of pay as we are offering Gobern. Dangerous way to approach it and I very doubt we will be able to Can't see that he is on massive money anyway Or we have someone ready to step up,cough,billing,cough? Exactly We may as well shut the academy if we don't start playing some of em
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Post by Captainslapper on May 24, 2015 0:04:00 GMT 1
Too little too late certainly does work both ways. End of the day hes earned an absolute fortune from this club in 4 years and given the thin end of bollock-all back in return. Consistently not good enough to keep his place when given a chance. Not even fit enough to play over an hour until this late run. So in his final month or two he finally strings some decent performances together that warrant him keeping his place and from that he feels let down by the club?? What a prick. Bulshit, wasn't played enough because of nervy management style. He's quality. Nervy management style?? What a crock of shit. He wasn't playing enough because he consistantly wasn't very good.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 0:24:43 GMT 1
Not done enough in his time. We gave young players coming up in his position too ...who wont contribute as effectively over the next 18months as Oscar would if given the chance.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 0:27:20 GMT 1
Bulshit, wasn't played enough because of nervy management style. He's quality. Nervy management style?? What a crock of shit. He wasn't playing enough because he consistantly wasn't very good. No, he definitely HASNT been 'consistently not very good'.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 24, 2015 0:36:03 GMT 1
people have short memories. The odd decent game but mainly poor, occasionally woeful, and FOUR different managers ( FIVE including Lillis) weren't impressed enough by him to put him in the team and keep him there, until this late run. Yet its somehow not his fault because he's been 'quality' really?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 2:28:23 GMT 1
Disagree, I think you have a short memory with regards Gobern.
He's been pretty constantly decent, in between timing his injuries unfortunately, which has meant he's not available for selection when new managers are 'making their minds up' about their players.
Rarely poor, and NEVER 'woeful'. He hasn't been 'quality' recently, he's just been consistent, and key. We only lost one game this season with Gobern playing, and that against a team who could be a Premier League team tomorrow.
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Post by jimmythebulldog on May 24, 2015 2:33:20 GMT 1
Shows how slow the news is when Gobern is being discussed this intensely.
Bloke had hardly played since he arrived.
If he leaves we'll neither miss him or even realize he's gone.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 2:39:18 GMT 1
Its being discussed intensely because it was decided some time ago that Gobern was surplus, and that is a WRONG football decision.
Theres been a few of them this season, as a club we appear to be a bit stubborn and inflexible at times, to our own detriment.
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Post by shawsie on May 24, 2015 7:43:15 GMT 1
If he stays he stays.....if he goes he goes! Been a tad unlucky with injuries and certainly improved last season, but hasn't done enough to warrant the adulation some are giving him. If he feels "unloved and underwhelmed" by his new offer then move on oscar......you have tons of ability, but have to show it far more consistently than you have to warrant big bucks. Remember Simon baldry anyone?!
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Post by benhomly on May 24, 2015 8:00:56 GMT 1
Its being discussed intensely because it was decided some time ago that Gobern was surplus, and that is a WRONG football decision. Theres been a few of them this season, as a club we appear to be a bit stubborn and inflexible at times, to our own detriment. Anyone who is aware that the Chairman of any company/organisation thinks that they are surplus to requirements would be looking to move on i think.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 9:06:39 GMT 1
Given his desire to leave his good performances I put down as 'shop windowing'. This suggests he has talent, but is lazy. Players lacking commitment also struggle to get picked and take longer to recover from injuries. Would much rather have a youngster in the squad, shan't miss him.
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 24, 2015 10:29:48 GMT 1
We've got Coady, Hogg, Butterfield & Billing who can play the deeper midfield roll, Oscars wages would be better used elsewhere, no great loss imo.. The fact he had 10 decent games in over 4 years at the club tells you everything you need to know about the player, he couldn't even hold down a spot in league 1.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on May 24, 2015 10:40:23 GMT 1
We've got Coady, Hogg, Butterfield & Billing who can play the deeper midfield roll, Oscars wages would be better used elsewhere, no great loss imo.. The fact he had 10 decent games in over 4 years at the club tells you everything you need to know about the player, he couldn't even hold down a spot in league 1. Eh - he's not been playing the deeper midfield road? He has been playing a bit of a crucial role in our kind of "3 at the back system" which has looked a better system since his inclusion. He has sort of solved the problem of having no one in front of the left back as the advanced left sided midfielder.
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