He's chucked his life into it, sold out of Card Factory to concentrate on Town chucked a hell of a lot of his own money in. For us to be where we are with fans so unappreciative of what he has done so far. The club as a whole is a different world away from where we were just over 10 years ago.
I appreciate what Deano has done for the club but it still doesn't give him the right to come out with unprofessional comments in front of a fans forum.
You say you appreciate it.. But all you ever do is snipe
He's chucked his life into it, sold out of Card Factory to concentrate on Town chucked a hell of a lot of his own money in. For us to be where we are with fans so unappreciative of what he has done so far. The club as a whole is a different world away from where we were just over 10 years ago.
I appreciate what Deano has done for the club but it still doesn't give him the right to come out with unprofessional comments in front of a fans forum.
If Dean doesn't have the right to make a comment like that, considering the environment and circumstance, then what right do the rest of us have to pass comment on anything Huddersfield Town?
Deano seems to be coming under a lot of fire for not splashing more cash into the club, or showing a lack of ambition, or losing interest?
It'd be good to see a list of things Hoyle has done for the club in one place, just to remind some of us exactly where we were when he took over, and where we are now. The guy has put the club in a much much better position, on and off the field, than where we were, and he's done it using his own personal cash. I'm sure there's things he would have done differently in his time here, but for him to come under fire for not putting more cash in is unbelievable.
I only half heard what he said about Ross Wilson... did he confirm interest from Southampton? Did he say how much we got for peltier?
I didn't hear anything about Pelts, he sort of denied the RW-Southampton link, but more used the opportunity to defend the good work RW has done at the club, and criticized those fans who attack RW's position at the club purely because they don't understand his role, a point I wholeheartedly agree with him on.
I think that's what some of the most critical fans, who then get even worse after he bites, don't get.
I'm sure he's fine with constructive criticism and the odd rant after a game, rather it's the irrational and moronic comments that are based on limited or no foundation.
Unfortunately he needs to realise these people are thick and only hear soundbites, so as has been said, just ignore them.
I appreciate everything Dean has done and continues to do for HTFC,but with him being the direct employer of the players he has opened himself up to criticism. If the comment was made within the confines of the HTFC management/board then there's nothing to criticize, but it was made in a public environment
When the main man at Card factory did he make comments reference staff in a public way ?
When you employ people you cannot do this , as you could be seen to be constructively dismissing said employee....
Dean is a passionate guy and has turned this club around, but the amount of people on here who think he can do no wrong is staggering. Dean is a savvy businessman and die hard Town fan who in my mind is as open to criticism as any other Town fan.
Why on earth would he even bother doing a q and a at canalside if he`d lost interest and why on earth would the Chinese find town an attractive investment opportunity ?
Well there's thousands of the little buggers at the uni so town must have summat going for it. Drive on Firth St on an evening, it's like downtown Shanghai
Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 1, 2015 13:26:11 GMT 1
we lost a football match yesterday because the manager lacked ambition to win it. We dropped off with 15 minutes to go, just after having an attempt cleared off the line??
Leeds brought a forward on and actually pushed forward, had one great chance and then scored with the next at the death.
fortune favours the brave, we don't have a brave management team..Powell is another who could only 'see the draw'... whatever Dean Hoyle said on Saturday morning or whatever has been discussed since, its all moot as long as the manager and squad we have get the tactics and ethos on the pitch wrong, on so many occasions.
The word ambition is very much bandied around regarding the club and the future etc, the game yesterday counted much more and the last 10 minutes was as important as any other parts of the game and we got it wrong again. Our lack of ambition on the pitch will kill us, the rest of the club can be as ambitious as they like or not, Powell will get it wrong on the pitch whoever we bring in/don't bring in..
Leeds had more to lose yesterday than us, they were pretty awful for 80 minutes and were undeniably lucky to still be in it at the death but the manager made a positive move and his team were positive to the end, we were not. Forget the money, the signings and the future, this bloke will, at the very least, keep us hanging on the cusp of relegation and unfortunately the club will back him to do it..
I appreciate everything Dean has done and continues to do for HTFC,but with him being the direct employer of the players he has opened himself up to criticism. If the comment was made within the confines of the HTFC management/board then there's nothing to criticize, but it was made in a public environment
When the main man at Card factory did he make comments reference staff in a public way ?
When you employ people you cannot do this , as you could be seen to be constructively dismissing said employee....
Dean is a passionate guy and has turned this club around, but the amount of people on here who think he can do no wrong is staggering. Dean is a savvy businessman and die hard Town fan who in my mind is as open to criticism as any other Town fan.
Agree that he's opened himself to it, and comments were unprofessional.
I'm not saying he can do no wrong, but I think the amount of fans questioning him not putting his hands in deeper in his pockets should look at his tenure as a whole, rather than show unrest in the here and now
I appreciate what Deano has done for the club but it still doesn't give him the right to come out with unprofessional comments in front of a fans forum.
If Dean doesn't have the right to make a comment like that, considering the environment and circumstance, then what right do the rest of us have to pass comment on anything Huddersfield Town?
Dean has taken on the professional role as our Chairman and therefore in circumstances like this he should behave as one.
I appreciate what Deano has done for the club but it still doesn't give him the right to come out with unprofessional comments in front of a fans forum.
You say you appreciate it.. But all you ever do is snipe
Just the response I would expect from you. i would say you do a lot more sniping on this forum than I do.
I appreciate what Deano has done for the club but it still doesn't give him the right to come out with unprofessional comments in front of a fans forum.
It was a flippant, off-the-cuff remark, said whilst laughing (tongue in cheek) when someone said "Is Gerrard off?".
Still unprofessional though. This is the reason why I won't be wasting any of my time attending any of his forums and probably the reason many others feel the same.
It was a flippant, off-the-cuff remark, said whilst laughing (tongue in cheek) when someone said "Is Gerrard off?".
Still unprofessional though. This is the reason why I won't be wasting any of my time attending any of his forums and probably the reason many others feel the same.
If you don't want to waste your time attending any of his forums, any chance you can stop commenting about them as well then. You know, so you don't look like a massive hypocrite.
Gerrard has a massive problem. I don't know if he's just plain thick or he is responding to his last half season in a bad and unprofessional way. On Twitter he seems to be influencing or trying to influence players like Duane Holmes and Joe Lolley into his mindset. I try to resist getting into the social side of players spats and their actions but Gerrard did it for me last night when he came on twitter at 8 p.m and said "wot happened to Tommy Smith today? hear he got airlifted to hospital, sounds serious, hope he's alright" I asked him "if he was for real"?
It was a flippant, off-the-cuff remark, said whilst laughing (tongue in cheek) when someone said "Is Gerrard off?".
Still unprofessional though. This is the reason why I won't be wasting any of my time attending any of his forums and probably the reason many others feel the same.
Whereas I'll keep going and enjoy listening to a chairman that still comes across as a fan, rather than hiding behind political correctness on how a chairman "should" be.
Well said Mel! Having read through this thread I am saddened by those wanting to have a go at both our chairman and manager. Some people have short memories as to how bad things were before and during uncle Kens reign. Having watched Town for over 50 years I have seen a short glimpse of the old first division but most of the time we have been pretty mediocre. We now have a fan as a chairman and yes he wears his heart on his sleeve and may not be perfect, but who is? Some day soon football clubs in huge debt and badly managed will have a reality check when the banks call in those debts or Sky decreases the amount of money it puts into the game. We have progressed on a small budget and are now honest with staff who do not pull their weight or don`t want to buy into the future of our club. Again Powell may well at times get his tactics wrong but likewise show me a manager who has not done likewise. I and I know others appreciate the fact that our chairman and other staff allow dialoque with supporters as you only have to look at the likes of Aston Villa a chairman who is elusive to say the least. Over the last few years I have become prouder of the club regarding our academy, running a business on a more manageable basis, supporting community initiatives like air ambulance and school meals etc . This radical change has all been funded and overseen by Dean so support the board, staff and players rather than petty sniping. Onwards and upwards.
Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 1, 2015 14:14:59 GMT 1
Dean can say what he likes for me.
He can also explain or not explain his ethos for the club, its his choice.
We are not shareholders and our stake in the club isn't financial because we don't have to go and we knew the 'risks' before we bought the season cards.
If I was trying to offload an expensive asset I don't think I would be talking in open meetings about it.
If I was clearly running the business for a short time relying mainly on hope and luck, I probably wouldn't have open meetings during that period.
It was a mistake but again its probably done with the 'best of intentions'...
I appreciate everything Dean has done and continues to do for HTFC,but with him being the direct employer of the players he has opened himself up to criticism. If the comment was made within the confines of the HTFC management/board then there's nothing to criticize, but it was made in a public environment
When the main man at Card factory did he make comments reference staff in a public way ?
When you employ people you cannot do this , as you could be seen to be constructively dismissing said employee....
Dean is a passionate guy and has turned this club around, but the amount of people on here who think he can do no wrong is staggering. Dean is a savvy businessman and die hard Town fan who in my mind is as open to criticism as any other Town fan.
By the way, my post above doesn't conflict with what you've said and I'm actually uncomfortable with his honesty around players and transfer dealings at these meetings.
He can say what he wants for me, as a chairman, and as a fan, he has every right.
Quite right, and in the same way Town fans have every right to say what they want too. Dean might not like what some of them say, and we are only talking of a tiny (but vocal) minority here, but he can't deny them the right to speak their minds.
If Dean has had enough, then maybe Mrs Dean could take over...wasn't she the brains behind Card Factory anyway ? Seriously though, if Dean is beginning to lose interest and enthusiasm then he should go sooner rather than later. I fear that if he tries to just put the club in a 'hold' position and tries to balance the books, while a buyer comes forward, that would inevitably lead to relegation. The club needs money spending on new players, it needs to have a sense of purpose and ambition..and for that you need an owner who is 100% ...not 90%. It would be a shame if the only legacy Dean was remembered for was Canalside and 3 years at the bottom end of the Championship. He deserves better than that, rather than a slow death and an increasing number of fans becoming disenchanted with him.
I know you can't just pluck investors out of the air, and that trying to sell a club with annual losses of £3m-£4m might not be so attractive...but it depends on the price you are asking. If Dean only wants to achieve 'self sufficiency' at the club so he can get a better price for himself, then you'd have to question what his motives really are... We can't afford to plod on another 4-5 years with minimal investment and an Owner who might not be 100% committed. So Dean needs to make his mind up where he is with this, if the reports from the Q&A were accurate that his ambitions now are just to keep the club where we are. Like i said (in case anybody missed it) Dean deserves to be remembered for the legacy he has left us and it would be a shame for that to be eroded away over the next 4-5 years..
He can say what he wants for me, as a chairman, and as a fan, he has every right.
Quite right, and in the same way Town fans have every right to say what they want too. Dean might not like what some of them say, and we are only talking of a tiny (but vocal) minority here, but he can't deny them the right to speak their minds.
If Dean has had enough, then maybe Mrs Dean could take over...wasn't she the brains behind Card Factory anyway ? Seriously though, if Dean is beginning to lose interest and enthusiasm then he should go sooner rather than later. I fear that if he tries to just put the club in a 'hold' position and tries to balance the books, while a buyer comes forward, that would inevitably lead to relegation. The club needs money spending on new players, it needs to have a sense of purpose and ambition..and for that you need an owner who is 100% ...not 90%. It would be a shame if the only legacy Dean was remembered for was Canalside and 3 years at the bottom end of the Championship. He deserves better than that, rather than a slow death and an increasing number of fans becoming disenchanted with him.
I know you can't just pluck investors out of the air, and that trying to sell a club with annual losses of £3m-£4m might not be so attractive...but it depends on the price you are asking. If Dean only wants to achieve 'self sufficiency' at the club so he can get a better price for himself, then you'd have to question what his motives really are... We can't afford to plod on another 4-5 years with minimal investment and an Owner who might not be 100% committed. So Dean needs to make his mind up where he is with this, if the reports from the Q&A were accurate that his ambitions now are just to keep the club where we are. Like i said (in case anybody missed it) Dean deserves to be remembered for the legacy he has left us and it would be a shame for that to be eroded away over the next 4-5 years..
His ambitions are fine. We cannot compete financially with clubs in this division that have wage bills of £15 million+, nor should we. We are a decent sized town club, the ambition is to improve without risking the very future of the club. I think some fans have unrealistic expectations.
Dean cannot win with some. I bet he was really looking forward to being grilled again in public (or not).
He is working with the best of intentions, but I bet even he didn't think it would be this difficult. We need more investment. Dean cannot, and should not, have to finance or back the club alone. It must piss him off sometimes when he looks at other clubs pissing all over ffp.
Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 1, 2015 15:28:47 GMT 1
Lets get a grip on this argument..
we would not have put the future of the club in jeopardy if we had brought Lolley on yesterday. The bright future wasn't put in danger if we had pushed everyone forward for the last 10 instead of going into our shell.
The lack of belief and confidence in the club is quite staggering given the game itself yesterday, the desire to get 'away with something' in virtually every game is annoying and imo unnecessary..
If yesterday wasn't a game to go for it, then we simply are not fit to be here, however happy we might be , just to be here..
we would not have put the future of the club in jeopardy if we had brought Lolley on yesterday. The bright future wasn't put in danger if we had pushed everyone forward for the last 10 instead of going into our shell.
The lack of belief and confidence in the club is quite staggering given the game itself yesterday, the desire to get 'away with something' in virtually every game is annoying and imo unnecessary..
If yesterday wasn't a game to go for it, then we simply are not fit to be here, however happy we might be , just to be here..
You're continued approach to demand we play an attacking style of football consistently fails to consider one tiny factor. The opposition.
When Lynch went off and Wallace came on, I knew we'd lose. The lad has vulnerability and liability ingrained in his DNA, and guess what, you can bet Steve Thompson was well aware of that fact. The leeds players were already trying to exploit an injured Lynch and the message from the bench when Wallace replaced him would have been quite simply, to carry on.
First ball over the top and Wallace got done, next time - goal.
If I was Hoyle I would be looking to get out. The constant bitching and complaining is over the top. We are where we are because he is propping the club up. He is obviously hoping FPP levels the playing filled some but we are never going to compete with clubs willing to flout the rules. At the end of the day it is his money so that is up to him.
I can tell you if I came into mega millions the last thing on my mind would be investing it inTown because I may as well burn the cash. That's how good an investment Town is.
Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 1, 2015 16:28:53 GMT 1
Hoyle has changed the club dramatically for the good but unfortunately now the club appear to have hit a brick wall and they don't appear to know what to do about it. The squad is dangerously paper thin with one day to go of the transfer window, is there going to be 3 signings announced tomorrow? I very much doubt it. To hear Hoyle admit that the playing budget for next season is going to be cut even further, points to one thing for me....relegation, should we stay up this season of course.
Gerrard has a massive problem. I don't know if he's just plain thick or he is responding to his last half season in a bad and unprofessional way. On Twitter he seems to be influencing or trying to influence players like Duane Holmes and Joe Lolley into his mindset. I try to resist getting into the social side of players spats and their actions but Gerrard did it for me last night when he came on twitter at 8 p.m and said "wot happened to Tommy Smith today? hear he got airlifted to hospital, sounds serious, hope he's alright" I asked him "if he was for real"?
I ve seen how gerrard behaves on twitter and blocked him , not worth reading
Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 1, 2015 16:45:59 GMT 1
mel.. we had a couple of big let offs prior to lynch going off.. we ended up doing what we always do, all the midfield back on the toes of the defence, no depth, no stopping the opposition playing balls over the top of a static line..
we were not moving forward from 15 minutes to go.. the opposition didn't impose themselves we just let them.. we again had plenty back defending when we conceded, its every week near enough and twice yesterday..
please don't tell me I didn't see us fall away and allow time and space to a team that looked decidedly poor..we were just worse than them for the first 20 and the last ten..if you give the opposition nothing to worry about or think about then you have 'changed' the game, not them..
Hoyle has changed the club dramatically for the good but unfortunately now the club appear to have hit a brick wall and they don't appear to know what to do about it. The squad is dangerously paper thin with one day to go of the transfer window, is there going to be 3 signings announced tomorrow? I very much doubt it. To hear Hoyle admit that the playing budget for next season is going to be cut even further, points to one thing for me....relegation, should we stay up this season of course.
Relegation is inevitable at some point whilst the financial inequality persists in the Championship. It's a question of when, not if.
We're finding out the reality of life in the Championship. It is just so difficult to get established & some people can't (or won't) take that into account.
Look at Barnsley & Millwall. Barnsley had 8 seasons in the Championship & finished 23rd, 21st, 21st, 17th, 18th, 20th, 18th & 20th. Millwall's last 5 Championship seasons have produced finishes of 19th, 20th, 16th, 9th & 23rd & they're 22 this. That's 14 seasons in total between 2 similar sized clubs to Town & only 1 top half finish. Says it all really.
Until Town find more investment, I just don't know what the answer is.
Don't know why I've written all that. Just read it back & it's depressed me no end!
Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Feb 1, 2015 17:13:42 GMT 1
Here's my take on yesterday's Q&A with Dean Hoyle. I've been to several Q&A's with Dean Hoyle and he didn't say anything much that was too different to what I'd heard from him before.
Was he fed up as some posters on here that also attended suggested he was? Well, I didn't particularly get that impression. I think he was maybe a bit weary of answering the sort of questions he's been asked, and answered, a thousand times before.I think he was a bit resentful (rightly, IMO) about what he perceives as too much negativity in the media towards Town. He can accept constructive criticism, but he feels there's just too much negativity, almost for the sake of it. This negativity can become a self-fulfilling prophecy, and he's bang on. The two examples I can recall him mentioning were Kieran O'Regan's Radio Leeds commentary, and the vitriol aimed at Ross Wilson.
1. Club Ambition - he made it as clear as he could that supporters have to understand and accept that, by Championship standards, we are "lower-mid table". He must have used the phrase "we are where we are" ten times or more. Town have a smaller budget than most, smaller turnover than most, smaller support than most in this league. Town will NOT (under his watch) do a QPR or a Leicester and try to buy themselves out of this league. He likened us to Burnley - in fact he's sees Burnley as the example he insists that Town should follow. Before anyone has a go, I appreciate modest clubs like Bournemouth and Brentford are showing Town up a bit this season, but, hey, that's football, they're having a good season and they might be successful, but let's see. His message to Town fans hasn't really changed....he wants gradual progress based on sound management and solid foundations. He thinks that's what Town have, but he's not complacent, he still has ambitions for Town to continue to improve. I think he'd just like a little bit more patience from the fans. 2. Club Ownership - he reiterated what he's said before, that if someone came in who HE felt was right for HTFC and could take HTFC forward better/faster than he can, then great, he'd sell. He said he hadn't actively been trying to find a potential buyer. I was slightly surprised at that........I'd have thought he'd be doing something on that score in the background. Maybe he is, but doesn't want to start any unhelpful gossip. 3. January Transfers Out - Hoyle said that footballers want to play, so those that are playing are never a problem; it's those that are not playing that are the problem, and Town have had/still got too many of them. It is as clear as can be that he wants Gerrard off the premises, ASAP. Clearly he sees Gobern and Stead as having had the opportunities to do it for Town, and they just haven't done it, so it seems Gobern will leave sooner rather than later. He has had conversations with Jon Stead where they had differing opinions - DH thought JS was "wearing slippers", back at his home-town club and too comfortable, JS disagreed and DH think's JS's performances at Bradford City were his way of sticking two fingers up to DH about that.....and DH said "good luck to the lad". Town are paying half of his wages at Bradford. DH (and Chris Powell) want a smaller, tight-knit, better quality squad. 4. January Transfers In - ALF was on his way to Town, but Bolton came in, offering slightly better money than Town, but the clincher was that ALF lives in Cheshire and Bolton was a better commute for him. CP wants a new striker, DH supports that fact. It seems pretty certain that that striker will be from a Premier League club and it will occur when the Loan Window re-opens in about one weeks' time. 4. Steve Thompson - once CP came in Thompson didn't really have a role at Town. Great lad apparently, very popular, but he did the right thing to go to Leeds. 5. Academy - I asked a two-part question a) is it his expectation that the Academy will really start to deliver in terms of bringing players through into the first team and b) does he have ambitions to take the Academy to the next level. To be honest, I don't think he answered the first question! To take Town to the next level would require roughly a further £1.5 million per annum - should Town do that or use that towards the first team? General murmuring was that first team is the priority. 6. Ross Wilson to Southampton gossip - my take on it is that there's some truth to this rumour. He didn't admit it or deny it, but I think there's probably been some contact between the clubs. Just my guess from DH's reaction. However, DH was very upset and disappointed at the negativity that's been spouted about RW's role and responsibility in the club. It's clear DH thinks RW is an asset to the club. It's obvious DH and the club as a whole is well aware of what's been said on social media, but Town can't control twitter, facebook, DATM etc. Be careful what you wish for Town fans! 7. FA Cup - he was desperately disappointed at Town going out with a whimper. He wants a good cup run desperately.
Think that more-or-less sums it up. I might have missed some things out. Apparently DH could be holding another Q&A (to be confirmed) before the Charlton match at the end of the month.