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Post by towny4ever on Mar 6, 2015 19:27:46 GMT 1
...that's a great announcement to make pre season ticket sales!!!
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Post by EatonRifles on Mar 6, 2015 19:32:58 GMT 1
I actually agree that we have the nucleus of a good team, two or three quality additions would make a significant difference.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Mar 6, 2015 19:39:13 GMT 1
Bro - They're walking away as the football is dross, the manager does not play to entertain, he plays not to lose. You give me Wolves, I give you Forest at home 442 won 3-0 best performance of the season, up and at them, high tempo, width, aggression, wanting to win. That's Huddersfield Town at its best. Wolves - we lost 4-1 but we gave it more of a go than half of the other games - Leeds, Reading etc - embarrassing attitudes. Season ticket holders not turning up - nothing to do with hard earned money. But I still don't have any idea whatsoever - What is our plan? When are we achieving this plan? How are we achieving this plan? Other than to achieve "the plan" we are prepared to lose 2000 fans. Is this he 5 year plan which has now disappeared - or another plan? Was this the plan we had this time last year when we were sailing aimlessly along - or another plan? Was this the plan last summer when we failed to address the two key signings we needed - centre half and centre forwards - or another plan? What is our plan?! The plan was to get HTFC out of the shit they were in when Dean Hoyle was watching from the Kilner bank against Southend some 8 years ago and in to The Championship. The plan for the last 3 years as been survival and we joined the hamster wheel world of changing managers because it actually brings short term gain and results now and again. The plan was to get HTFC where they belong on the football ladder and it as been achieved. If 2000 supporters want to stop going because they can;t stomach the fayre being offered then i believe HTFC should let them walk and don't do the usual knee-jerk reaction of changing the manager. Both Dean Hoyle and Chris Powell have hinted at trying to get HTFC playing a more entertaining style of football, you (specialun) have said that that is not Powells style and he can't deliver it? How do you know? Eddie Howe got the same stick at Burnley as Powell is now about the way Burnley were performing, hasn't Eddie Howe got a different philosophy at Bournemouth? Chris Powell took over when HTFC had played 6 games and were 4th bottom of the table with 4 points...29 league games later and 38 points later supporters like you start moaning about the way we are playing and the fact we haven't blooded youngsters..You tend to ignore the rejuvenation of Scannell and the success of Harry Bunn and instead promote the so-called negatives that probably delivered the necessary points required to avoid relegation. If i was Dean Hoyle and had to rely on DATM for my sound bytes i'd fuck off now and give the grim reapers on here what they truly deserve.. I'm glad this is down as a Fans site because a fair few don't even know what support is no more.. Bro - two superb posts on this thread
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Mar 6, 2015 19:42:19 GMT 1
I actually agree that we have the nucleus of a good team, two or three quality additions would make a significant difference. Absolutely spot on despite how some will react to the article
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Post by htfc63 on Mar 6, 2015 20:11:03 GMT 1
With Robinson going back and Lynch regularly injured surely the playing staff needs more than a Tweak as Mr Powell suggested today. So far we have leaked 60 goals with a good few coming from errors at the back. Smith, Hudson and Wallace do not look like they are anytime soon going to stop this flow of goals and that's before you start to look for a new left back. Whilst we are not awash with funds surely the defence needs to be bolstered along with an attacking midfielder and capable front man to replace Miller. Oh well I can dream.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Mar 6, 2015 20:22:33 GMT 1
I'd agree with the sentiment of just tweaking he squad if we're to sign a couple of the ilk of Butterfield, if the tweak involves signing dross like Edgar and Miller or indeed those two on a permanent it will be a miracle if we stay up.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Mar 6, 2015 20:24:05 GMT 1
The point here is this in my opinion. Have we reached the point where Hoyle has taken us as far as it can go? Whilst like many others I have supported Town for many years I cannot remember a period where there was so little atmosphere in the stadium - I find it very difficult to motivate myself to take my seat and all around me are saying the same. It is very easy to compare previous season's and era's - life and football has changed and I believe that the "magic" of going to the match has always been the hope that your team can achieve something. Watching what are effectively dead rubbers for a quarter of the season as we accept our fate of finishing lower mid table is not the recipe for obtaining new season ticket holders for what will surely be a similar campaign next season. Where is the excitement and hope? Hoyle needs to become proactive in his engagement of the fans - tell us where he thinks he wants us to go and if necessary admit that he cannot take us any further. He may think that he is happy for us just to be in the Championship but if we are to grow as a club it is difficult to see how this can happen especially if the gates continue to dwindle and the ST take up is as low as I think we are all expecting it to be. Spot on Neil me old cocker.... No - not spot on at all. Don't you realize that it is much harder in the Championship than it is in league 1. Much harder. You cannot have your cake and eat it. We either go back to league 1 and kick ten bells out of Wycombe and the like or we stay mid to lower end Championship, but we are watching better football believe me.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 6, 2015 20:31:59 GMT 1
Spot on Neil me old cocker.... No - not spot on at all. Don't you realize that it is much harder in the Championship than it is in league 1. Much harder. You cannot have your cake and eat it. We either go back to league 1 and kick ten bells out of Wycombe and the like or we stay mid to lower end Championship, but we are watching better football believe me. The thing is, the better football is usually played by the opposition, not by Town.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 20:36:43 GMT 1
I actually agree that we have the nucleus of a good team, two or three quality additions would make a significant difference. Absolutely spot on despite how some will react to the article Apart from the fact telling any of the current squad they're out on their ear come the end of the season, that wouldn't do a great deal for morale and performances.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Mar 6, 2015 20:37:19 GMT 1
No - not spot on at all. Don't you realize that it is much harder in the Championship than it is in league 1. Much harder. You cannot have your cake and eat it. We either go back to league 1 and kick ten bells out of Wycombe and the like or we stay mid to lower end Championship, but we are watching better football believe me. The thing is, the better football is usually played by the opposition, not by Town. I cannot argue that one Art, comes with the territory. I suspect a number of Burnley fans are not having too much joy this season either continually watching better teams. They keep having special days to remember though.
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Post by tockyterrier on Mar 6, 2015 20:40:15 GMT 1
I actually agree that we have the nucleus of a good team, two or three quality additions would make a significant difference. Absolutely spot on despite how some will react to the article Exactly. Not only that, but it would be Shit management to come out and say he needs 11 New players Cos they are all crap. Even if that's what he thinks. Sent from my HTC One mini 2 using proboards
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Post by specialun on Mar 7, 2015 2:05:16 GMT 1
Bro - They're walking away as the football is dross, the manager does not play to entertain, he plays not to lose. You give me Wolves, I give you Forest at home 442 won 3-0 best performance of the season, up and at them, high tempo, width, aggression, wanting to win. That's Huddersfield Town at its best. Wolves - we lost 4-1 but we gave it more of a go than half of the other games - Leeds, Reading etc - embarrassing attitudes. Season ticket holders not turning up - nothing to do with hard earned money. But I still don't have any idea whatsoever - What is our plan? When are we achieving this plan? How are we achieving this plan? Other than to achieve "the plan" we are prepared to lose 2000 fans. Is this he 5 year plan which has now disappeared - or another plan? Was this the plan we had this time last year when we were sailing aimlessly along - or another plan? Was this the plan last summer when we failed to address the two key signings we needed - centre half and centre forwards - or another plan? What is our plan?! The plan was to get HTFC out of the shit they were in when Dean Hoyle was watching from the Kilner bank against Southend some 8 years ago and in to The Championship. The plan for the last 3 years as been survival and we joined the hamster wheel world of changing managers because it actually brings short term gain and results now and again. The plan was to get HTFC where they belong on the football ladder and it as been achieved. If 2000 supporters want to stop going because they can;t stomach the fayre being offered then i believe HTFC should let them walk and don't do the usual knee-jerk reaction of changing the manager. Both Dean Hoyle and Chris Powell have hinted at trying to get HTFC playing a more entertaining style of football, you (specialun) have said that that is not Powells style and he can't deliver it? How do you know? Eddie Howe got the same stick at Burnley as Powell is now about the way Burnley were performing, hasn't Eddie Howe got a different philosophy at Bournemouth? Chris Powell took over when HTFC had played 6 games and were 4th bottom of the table with 4 points...29 league games later and 38 points later supporters like you start moaning about the way we are playing and the fact we haven't blooded youngsters..You tend to ignore the rejuvenation of Scannell and the success of Harry Bunn and instead promote the so-called negatives that probably delivered the necessary points required to avoid relegation. If i was Dean Hoyle and had to rely on DATM for my sound bytes i'd fuck off now and give the grim reapers on here what they truly deserve.. I'm glad this is down as a Fans site because a fair few don't even know what support is no more.. Lots of fair points in there Bro, most of which I agree with tbh. I'll come back to the board bit, - on the whole I think it needs freshening up, it all feels a bit stale. As for Powell delivering a more entertaining style. I don't have too much faith in Powell to do that - His results record to date is worse than Robins and his outlook on football is not the same as mine - I want to see entertainment and win games. That's not his nature imo, not always a bad thing but its just not in him - How do I know he can't deliver a more entertaining style? Evidence shows at every opportunity he will think negatively - he'll sit deep rather than press the ball, he thinks having 7 defensive players and 4 attacking is balanced. Maybe he's right - but I don't see we'll agree and I can't see how that sort of mentality is going to deliver more entertaining football! He's got rid of or doesn't fancy most of the flair players, the one player with flair he likes is Butterfield. A fiver says we kick the ball 30 yards to the left touchline from tomorrow's kick off and lose the ball... All in all I don't see him delivering a more entertaining style. However..... he clearly needs a full transfer window, I don't count January which was a waste of time. But lets also not forget - you said yourself earlier in the season you believed the ingredients are there, we just need a manager who can make the recipe work.... Well let's hope he's not opened his book yet!
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Post by bro600 on Mar 7, 2015 10:38:49 GMT 1
I've watched a lot of championship football this season and most of it is negative crap and apart from Bournemouth, Brentford and Watford the rest seem to play with fear in their game and line-up accordingly. At HTFC i think we create our own fear. Dean Hoyle wants whats best for the club and is rightly proud of The Canalside, The Academy success and the financial success of the backroom staff as income streams in that department are well up. But when it comes to the first team he knows he has hardly any control. All he can do is reluctantly hire and fire managers that have at times succeeded in their tasks only to start to decline in performance and leave the club with possible relegation. All Dean Hoyle can do really is rely on loyalty of the supporters to stand up and back his decisions which are decisions being made by a human who can make mistakes that are not cheap to rectify as fast as people want.
Chris Powell took the job and in his first appearance at the Canalside stated he knew what supporters wanted, he even said "two up front" and "more entertaining football" was what him and Dean had talked about but unfortunately we were near the foot of the table and points were what was needed so he had to cope with what he had and i don't think anyone can argue that he's succeeded in the points department. He seems to be keeping one eye on the table with one eye on trying to deliver the style that Dean craves. But he's only had 29 matches and there hasn't a month gone by without the call for his sacking or a defeat that as seen supporters questioning his negative tactics. Just where does Chris Powell gain the confidence to try a "Wolves at home" again or blood youngsters? Survive, deliver entertaining football and blood youngsters when you get mullered by your own supporters every time we lose or sometimes even draw? I find it kind of hilarious being told i'm blindly loyal, i've got Blue tinted glasses or up Dean's Arse by some posters on here as i support the efforts of Dean and Powell and i remain positive that there is the ingredients there for HTFC to improve over the next decade. But i find it even more funnier how supporters can be so negative in their support about HTFC and then accuse Chris Powell of being negative.. Maybe if we all pushed in the same direction and cut the club and Chris Powell some slack they might gain a bit more confidence to spend a few more million or throw a bit more caution to the wind...But hell no..Somehow some HTFC supporters seem to think that we should be pissing everybody...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 12:01:52 GMT 1
I've watched a lot of championship football this season and most of it is negative crap and apart from Bournemouth, Brentford and Watford the rest seem to play with fear in their game and line-up accordingly. At HTFC i think we create our own fear. Dean Hoyle wants whats best for the club and is rightly proud of The Canalside, The Academy success and the financial success of the backroom staff as income streams in that department are well up. But when it comes to the first team he knows he has hardly any control. All he can do is reluctantly hire and fire managers that have at times succeeded in their tasks only to start to decline in performance and leave the club with possible relegation. All Dean Hoyle can do really is rely on loyalty of the supporters to stand up and back his decisions which are decisions being made by a human who can make mistakes that are not cheap to rectify as fast as people want. Chris Powell took the job and in his first appearance at the Canalside stated he knew what supporters wanted, he even said "two up front" and "more entertaining football" was what him and Dean had talked about but unfortunately we were near the foot of the table and points were what was needed so he had to cope with what he had and i don't think anyone can argue that he's succeeded in the points department. He seems to be keeping one eye on the table with one eye on trying to deliver the style that Dean craves. But he's only had 29 matches and there hasn't a month gone by without the call for his sacking or a defeat that as seen supporters questioning his negative tactics. Just where does Chris Powell gain the confidence to try a "Wolves at home" again or blood youngsters? Survive, deliver entertaining football and blood youngsters when you get mullered by your own supporters every time we lose or sometimes even draw? I find it kind of hilarious being told i'm blindly loyal, i've got Blue tinted glasses or up Dean's Arse by some posters on here as i support the efforts of Dean and Powell and i remain positive that there is the ingredients there for HTFC to improve over the next decade. But i find it even more funnier how supporters can be so negative in their support about HTFC and then accuse Chris Powell of being negative.. Maybe if we all pushed in the same direction and cut the club and Chris Powell some slack they might gain a bit more confidence to spend a few more million or throw a bit more caution to the wind...But hell no..Somehow some HTFC supporters seem to think that we should be pissing everybody... Its a fine line between entertaing football and trying to get results and at times its frustrating but i agree three quality players would be about right but lets make sure we are still in thedivision first. there is still lotsto do.
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Post by specialun on Mar 7, 2015 12:34:49 GMT 1
Try a Wolves again - You mean like Notts Forest at home, won 3-0, 442, 2 wingers, no defensive midfielder. Best performance of the season. We lose one game we attack in and the whole mindset is arrghhh can't do a Wolves again! This is my problem! We can't we try a Forest again rather than being afraid of trying a Wolves again. Team v Forest: A Smithies, T Smith, J Lynch, M Hudson, J Robinson, H Bunn, J Butterfield, S Scannell (D Ward, 87), C Coady , G Holt (M Paterson, 89), N Wells (L Peltier, 81)
You are very pro Hoyle, nothing wrong with that at all and agree with probably 90% of what you say - but lets not take questioning, asking what we are trying to achieve either Powell or Hoyle or the whole as being so negative
Lets also not forget you were as critical of Robins as anyone on here after the end of his reign... "A good podcast but a little shocked at Kosi saying that "maybe Robins has looked at the squad and he reckons we ain't good enough to deliver and that's why he walked" Any decent manager would have rolled up his sleeves and had a good damn go. With The Championship awash with clubs who can't do proper business i.e Blackpool, Leeds, Sheff Wed and Reading and many more it could have been the case that all it would have taken was a bit of application. In my opinion Robins's record of walking away and acting in this manner probably means that he behaves this way in his demeanour throughout the operation of his duties and this as probably rubbed off on staff, coaches and players alike like a desease and resulted in what turned up on Saturday."
It was a pretty negative and damming statement / criticism of Robins - Referring to him rubbing off on people like a disease, ouch!
Incidentally this was a day before Hoyle criticised the negativity of the fans had forced Robins out.... I'd have thought he was aiming at comments like those....?!
Now if anyone called the impact of Powell's negative attitude a "disease" they'd be shot at as being negative etc or not pushing in the right direction.....!!!
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Post by pixie on Mar 7, 2015 14:13:01 GMT 1
As a supporter for 68 years I can tell you that I go to matches to be entertained. I felt down like everybody else when we lost to Leeds the other week. A few days later however we got beat 4-1 but honestly I didn't feel the same as I walked away from the ground. The team gave it a really good go: we were undone partly by our dodgy defence and partly by the speed and craft of the Wolves strikers. If we played like that every home game I think we would win more than we lost. After all every team isn't as clinical as Wolves. I don't remember Powell giving Bunn his chance: I thought it was Lillis. After watching the pre-season game at Radcliffe Borough even I could see that there were goals in that young man. He is usually accurate in his shooting which is always likely to cause problems for the opposition, similar to Butterfield. I can't help feeling disappointed overall with CP. He has brought 3 players in this season. Poyet was largely anonymous, we might as well have played with 10 men. I was hugely disappointed when he was given a second game, that I think we lost. Edgar is without doubt one of the poorest players I have seen in our colours in 68 years. He seems to spend most of his time standing on Hudson's toes. I really wonder if CP had ever seen him play before taking him on loan. As other posters have pointed out, hopefully Miller will prove his worth. I thought he had a decent game against us for Yeovil last season. If I was Dean I would not feel easy letting CP spend/waste £1m or so of my money in the summer. Any manager who thinks Edgar is better than Gobern has problems, and I am no fan of Gobern by the way. Cross fingers for this afternoon.
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Post by bro600 on Mar 7, 2015 15:20:31 GMT 1
Try a Wolves again - You mean like Notts Forest at home, won 3-0, 442, 2 wingers, no defensive midfielder. Best performance of the season. We lose one game we attack in and the whole mindset is arrghhh can't do a Wolves again! This is my problem! We can't we try a Forest again rather than being afraid of trying a Wolves again. Team v Forest: A Smithies, T Smith, J Lynch, M Hudson, J Robinson, H Bunn, J Butterfield, S Scannell (D Ward, 87), C Coady , G Holt (M Paterson, 89), N Wells (L Peltier, 81) You are very pro Hoyle, nothing wrong with that at all and agree with probably 90% of what you say - but lets not take questioning, asking what we are trying to achieve either Powell or Hoyle or the whole as being so negative Lets also not forget you were as critical of Robins as anyone on here after the end of his reign... "A good podcast but a little shocked at Kosi saying that "maybe Robins has looked at the squad and he reckons we ain't good enough to deliver and that's why he walked" Any decent manager would have rolled up his sleeves and had a good damn go. With The Championship awash with clubs who can't do proper business i.e Blackpool, Leeds, Sheff Wed and Reading and many more it could have been the case that all it would have taken was a bit of application. In my opinion Robins's record of walking away and acting in this manner probably means that he behaves this way in his demeanour throughout the operation of his duties and this as probably rubbed off on staff, coaches and players alike like a desease and resulted in what turned up on Saturday." It was a pretty negative and damming statement / criticism of Robins - Referring to him rubbing off on people like a disease, ouch! Incidentally this was a day before Hoyle criticised the negativity of the fans had forced Robins out.... I'd have thought he was aiming at comments like those....?! Now if anyone called the impact of Powell's negative attitude a "disease" they'd be shot at as being negative etc or not pushing in the right direction.....!!! In the same vein we can't compare a decent debate like ours with actual constructive criticism with the other 90% of totally negative fools on twitter, facebook and here who show no respect for Powell or Dean and add no input but that of appearing on here after every poor display. I don't think anyone minds fair criticism or constructive negative comments but some of it is vile and unwarranted.
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