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Mar 9, 2015 0:52:55 GMT 1
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Post by benmsmith4 on Mar 9, 2015 0:52:55 GMT 1
I want the Kilner Bank lads to succeed just as much as the NSL. Better still imagine if we could have 3 singing sections one in each stand, all competing/cooperating. Why not 4 sections ? Just imagine!
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Post by scoffsablue on Mar 9, 2015 0:59:06 GMT 1
Thought NSL was good yesterday. Been hearing recently about contact with different groups, any specifics? Some constructive criticism would be to push on all media sites to show video of chants i.e since I was young with lyrics if this hasn't been done. Also put a message asking people in middle block to try and get as active as the core group of 20 yesterday, politely might be good haha. Overall I feel that increasing core size of NSL is the best thing to do in short-term, even 100 showing same passion would be awesome. I have informally spoken to Palace Oxford and Aldershot fans all of which were very complimentary. All their advice went along the lines of 'stick together', 'be original' and good things will come. We're doing our utmost best mate.
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Mar 9, 2015 1:46:07 GMT 1
Post by hi on Mar 9, 2015 1:46:07 GMT 1
Use to be a half decent atmosphere until all this shit started Doesn't work but you lads keep on trying well said!!! what good is having them the furthest away from the away support! good atmopshere to me is having both teams chanting at each other and winding each other up not a little group out in the open not very loud to many in the BRS never mind the away end
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Mar 9, 2015 7:42:01 GMT 1
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Mar 9, 2015 7:42:01 GMT 1
How come a few folk moving to another stand completely silence the Singing Sectio?
There must still be 300+ in that end block. Have they all had their mouths sewn shut?
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Mar 9, 2015 9:11:16 GMT 1
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Post by scoffsablue on Mar 9, 2015 9:11:16 GMT 1
Use to be a half decent atmosphere until all this shit started Doesn't work but you lads keep on trying well said!!! what good is having them the furthest away from the away support! good atmopshere to me is having both teams chanting at each other and winding each other up not a little group out in the open not very loud to many in the BRS never mind the away end Boom.....You're gonna have to dig deeper than that now mate.
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Mar 9, 2015 9:22:27 GMT 1
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Post by Cole on Mar 9, 2015 9:22:27 GMT 1
well said!!! what good is having them the furthest away from the away support! Â good atmopshere to me is having both teams chanting at each other and winding each other up not a little group out in the open not very loud to many in the BRS never mind the away end Boom.....You're gonna have to dig deeper than that now mate. Theyll still find room to complain, even it we had dortmund yellow wall.
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Mar 9, 2015 9:25:01 GMT 1
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Post by benmsmith4 on Mar 9, 2015 9:25:01 GMT 1
Will be interesting to see how many of those who slagged off the NSL now go into the SS after the NSL has near-singlehandely obtained it for them.
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Mar 9, 2015 9:24:59 GMT 1
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Post by Sio on Mar 9, 2015 9:24:59 GMT 1
Boom.....You're gonna have to dig deeper than that now mate. Theyll still find room to complain, even it we had dortmund yellow wall. "Wah it's the same colour as Leeds" Fair enough, actually.
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Mar 9, 2015 9:29:29 GMT 1
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Post by Cole on Mar 9, 2015 9:29:29 GMT 1
Theyll still find room to complain, even it we had dortmund yellow wall. "Wah it's the same colour as Leeds" Fair enough, actually. WAHLS.
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Mar 9, 2015 9:35:22 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 9:35:22 GMT 1
Will be interesting to see how many of those who slagged off the NSL now go into the SS after the NSL has near-singlehandely obtained it for them. I think in a stroke, the club have killed the momentum of the NSL. Numbered seats in both FML and South Stand with reserved stickers on them, FML being labelled a "Family Stand" again... its basically "back to where we were". I see why its been done, they can see 500 folk in the FML who they expect will pay the few quid premium to switch to the poorer view of the South Stand, generating a bit more revenue for the club. However, I think its likely that I for one wont even get value from a Take 10 next season as my eight or so games is likely to become less than 5 in what WILL be a poorer atmosphere and match day experience. Could be more away trips than home for me, and that's a poor state of affairs for the club.
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Mar 9, 2015 9:48:29 GMT 1
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Post by westhtafc on Mar 9, 2015 9:48:29 GMT 1
What have you heard specifically and from someone in what kind of position? All i was told by a person who shall remain anonymous is that Home fans will be given 1600 seats in the south stand next season. It was also mentioned that when we play Leeds, they will be given all the south stand AND an unconfirmed amount of seats in the Kilner. This could all be bollocks but i'm only passing on what i've been told.
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Mar 9, 2015 9:49:48 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 9:49:48 GMT 1
Will be interesting to see how many of those who slagged off the NSL now go into the SS after the NSL has near-singlehandely obtained it for them. I think in a stroke, the club have killed the momentum of the NSL. They haven't killed any momentum, the club have listened to what town fans have said on the ATT panel. The NSL from the start wanted the south stand, they just never thought it would happen so quick. The club have seen what the NSL has done so far and used the platform that's been created. It's nearly perfect for the NSL.
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Mar 9, 2015 10:06:53 GMT 1
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Post by benmsmith4 on Mar 9, 2015 10:06:53 GMT 1
There's literally no excuse now not to make a racket in that Southern corner with the Kilner/NSL combined.
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Mar 9, 2015 10:13:30 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 10:13:30 GMT 1
There's literally no excuse now not to make a racket in that Southern corner with the Kilner/NSL combined. Amen to that
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Mar 9, 2015 10:23:46 GMT 1
Post by dewsburyterrier on Mar 9, 2015 10:23:46 GMT 1
Fantastic news. Well done to the club for doing this. It is a small inconvenience to have to move for about 5 games a season. The people in the singing section have to join this, especially as it is cheaper in the SS than the BR. Although I sit in the quiet section of the BR I may go for the SS option. The club have gone out on a limb to do this so try and support their efforts. One thing that will need to be addressed is where you put the flags.
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Mar 9, 2015 10:38:10 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 10:38:10 GMT 1
One thing that will need to be addressed is where you put the flags. Working on that as we speak mate.
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Mar 9, 2015 11:35:29 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 11:35:29 GMT 1
I think in a stroke, the club have killed the momentum of the NSL. They haven't killed any momentum, the club have listened to what town fans have said on the ATT panel. The NSL from the start wanted the south stand, they just never thought it would happen so quick. The club have seen what the NSL has done so far and used the platform that's been created. It's nearly perfect for the NSL. See the point is that I think the "NSL from the start wanted the south stand" is inherently wrong. Maybe some/all of the main "organisers" did, but not everyone, we're all in their for different reasons. Personally I prefer that stand as its the best view of the game, as a fan its not possible to get closer to the action anywhere else in the ground... throw in the relative steepness of the stands and even ignoring the big expanse behind the south stand goal line, for the same height you're closer to the pitch in the North Stand. Throw in that you can go central (wont be possible in a split South Stand), and that in the FML everyone is looking forward at the action whereas in the south stand you'll have people craning to see the away fans and becoming more cut off from the game (one of the problems in the Kilner too), throw in that the rickety nature of the fml helps people to get involved as its "different" so they get out of their "this is how we sit and behave at home games" mind set a bit more freely, and theres lots of reasons why some of us tried out the south stand in the recentish experiments, and it just reinforced the memory we had of when this happened years ago (v Port Vale I vaguely recall), and it was crappy. I WON'T be in the South Stand next season. But... everyone has a free choice, it just feels like this NSL experiment needed a couple more seasons of 'protected' development, as its just going to divide the atmosphere again rather than encourage building it I reckon. We'll see I guess.
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Mar 9, 2015 11:38:37 GMT 1
Post by Stiggy on Mar 9, 2015 11:38:37 GMT 1
They haven't killed any momentum, the club have listened to what town fans have said on the ATT panel. The NSL from the start wanted the south stand, they just never thought it would happen so quick. The club have seen what the NSL has done so far and used the platform that's been created. It's nearly perfect for the NSL. See the point is that I think the "NSL from the start wanted the south stand" is inherently wrong. Maybe some/all of the main "organisers" did, but not everyone, we're all in their for different reasons. Personally I prefer that stand as its the best view of the game, as a fan its not possible to get closer to the action anywhere else in the ground... throw in the relative steepness of the stands and even ignoring the big expanse behind the south stand goal line, for the same height you're closer to the pitch in the North Stand. Throw in that you can go central (wont be possible in a split South Stand), and that in the FML everyone is looking forward at the action whereas in the south stand you'll have people craning to see the away fans and becoming more cut off from the game (one of the problems in the Kilner too), throw in that the rickety nature of the fml helps people to get involved as its "different" so they get out of their "this is how we sit and behave at home games" mind set a bit more freely, and theres lots of reasons why some of us tried out the south stand in the recentish experiments, and it just reinforced the memory we had of when this happened years ago (v Port Vale I vaguely recall), and it was crappy. I WON'T be in the South Stand next season. But... everyone has a free choice, it just feels like this NSL experiment needed a couple more seasons of 'protected' development, as its just going to divide the atmosphere again rather than encourage building it I reckon. We'll see I guess. moaning T**t
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 11:42:15 GMT 1
See the point is that I think the "NSL from the start wanted the south stand" is inherently wrong. Maybe some/all of the main "organisers" did, but not everyone, we're all in their for different reasons. Personally I prefer that stand as its the best view of the game, as a fan its not possible to get closer to the action anywhere else in the ground... throw in the relative steepness of the stands and even ignoring the big expanse behind the south stand goal line, for the same height you're closer to the pitch in the North Stand. Throw in that you can go central (wont be possible in a split South Stand), and that in the FML everyone is looking forward at the action whereas in the south stand you'll have people craning to see the away fans and becoming more cut off from the game (one of the problems in the Kilner too), throw in that the rickety nature of the fml helps people to get involved as its "different" so they get out of their "this is how we sit and behave at home games" mind set a bit more freely, and theres lots of reasons why some of us tried out the south stand in the recentish experiments, and it just reinforced the memory we had of when this happened years ago (v Port Vale I vaguely recall), and it was crappy. I WON'T be in the South Stand next season. But... everyone has a free choice, it just feels like this NSL experiment needed a couple more seasons of 'protected' development, as its just going to divide the atmosphere again rather than encourage building it I reckon. We'll see I guess. moaning T**t Bit unfair that Jimmy - he is entitled to his view.
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Mar 9, 2015 11:45:01 GMT 1
Post by benmsmith4 on Mar 9, 2015 11:45:01 GMT 1
Apologies for being daft but why is block 1 unavailable with regards to getting a SC?
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Mar 9, 2015 11:47:07 GMT 1
Post by scoffsablue on Mar 9, 2015 11:47:07 GMT 1
They haven't killed any momentum, the club have listened to what town fans have said on the ATT panel. The NSL from the start wanted the south stand, they just never thought it would happen so quick. The club have seen what the NSL has done so far and used the platform that's been created. It's nearly perfect for the NSL. See the point is that I think the "NSL from the start wanted the south stand" is inherently wrong. Maybe some/all of the main "organisers" did, but not everyone, we're all in their for different reasons. Personally I prefer that stand as its the best view of the game, as a fan its not possible to get closer to the action anywhere else in the ground... throw in the relative steepness of the stands and even ignoring the big expanse behind the south stand goal line, for the same height you're closer to the pitch in the North Stand. Throw in that you can go central (wont be possible in a split South Stand), and that in the FML everyone is looking forward at the action whereas in the south stand you'll have people craning to see the away fans and becoming more cut off from the game (one of the problems in the Kilner too), throw in that the rickety nature of the fml helps people to get involved as its "different" so they get out of their "this is how we sit and behave at home games" mind set a bit more freely, and theres lots of reasons why some of us tried out the south stand in the recentish experiments, and it just reinforced the memory we had of when this happened years ago (v Port Vale I vaguely recall), and it was crappy. I WON'T be in the South Stand next season. But... everyone has a free choice, it just feels like this NSL experiment needed a couple more seasons of 'protected' development, as its just going to divide the atmosphere again rather than encourage building it I reckon. We'll see I guess. SS was always the target mate....Just as you did with the NSL keep an open mind and give it a go....If you still don't like it then fair enough...Deal?
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Post by jqhtfc on Mar 9, 2015 11:48:22 GMT 1
If anything with this news I think the club will have massively helped the NSL, finally they have a proper stand that generates noise and that will defiantly improve numbers and help it grow. I've been 50/50 on whether the NSL has helped the atmosphere but hopefully now with this news it goes from strength to strength and we have a proper atmosphere at home games.
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Mar 9, 2015 12:00:22 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 12:00:22 GMT 1
See the point is that I think the "NSL from the start wanted the south stand" is inherently wrong. Maybe some/all of the main "organisers" did, but not everyone, we're all in their for different reasons. Personally I prefer that stand as its the best view of the game, as a fan its not possible to get closer to the action anywhere else in the ground... throw in the relative steepness of the stands and even ignoring the big expanse behind the south stand goal line, for the same height you're closer to the pitch in the North Stand. Throw in that you can go central (wont be possible in a split South Stand), and that in the FML everyone is looking forward at the action whereas in the south stand you'll have people craning to see the away fans and becoming more cut off from the game (one of the problems in the Kilner too), throw in that the rickety nature of the fml helps people to get involved as its "different" so they get out of their "this is how we sit and behave at home games" mind set a bit more freely, and theres lots of reasons why some of us tried out the south stand in the recentish experiments, and it just reinforced the memory we had of when this happened years ago (v Port Vale I vaguely recall), and it was crappy. I WON'T be in the South Stand next season. But... everyone has a free choice, it just feels like this NSL experiment needed a couple more seasons of 'protected' development, as its just going to divide the atmosphere again rather than encourage building it I reckon. We'll see I guess. SS was always the target mate....Just as you did with the NSL keep an open mind and give it a go....If you still don't like it then fair enough...Deal? Well I always preferred the North Stand anyway having moved there a few years back (first upper and then into lower). I certainly wont post any more "question marks" on the likelihood of the move to SS potentially reducing the atmosphere, I guess I'm just recognising that its "not for me", just as the NSL isn't for the majority of Town fans. Nothing wrong with that, if every fan went in the North Stand, or if every fan went in the South Stand, the ground would tip over! I HOPE plenty stay behind (the price differential will ensure some don't move I reckon) and I hope lots of 'new' folk join in with the SS, theres MORE seats to fill and we haven't really come anywhere close to filling the NSL...and I hope that a bit of noise from the SS encourages the Kilner "singing section" to wake up again, and I hope (and think) that the away fans compressed into a smaller area will mean that they are more directed to singing/bantering against the Riverside, and wake up the south end of that stand. If all that happens, then the general atmosphere all round the ground might well improve. As I say... lets wait and see, that's next season!
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Mar 9, 2015 12:11:57 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 12:11:57 GMT 1
Apologies for being daft but why is block 1 unavailable with regards to getting a SC? Maybe they want to force the fans into a smaller space so it feels busier and encouraged more pay on the day to think, "that looks good, I'll give it a go"? Also it means that those pay on the day will likely be using a single turnstile at that corner and will be directed to sitting in that block rather than having to run the gamut of some bloke turning up at 305pm and turning them out of "his seat" in the blocks you can buy season tickets. Hopefully the folk in there will just ignore seat numbers anyway and sit where they feel like on any given day? I know FML isn't reserved seats (although it now will be again), but I wonder if it had started from a blank canvas (like the SS is effectively doing) and you didn't already have folk with seats in there, that it might have been better to close the side block or two (both sides) to make it "more busy" in the middle, and then just gradually uncover more seats if and when the demand grew? In fact, if they are offering "automatic free transfer" to the NSL when away fans get the whole SS, then this must be the case and they're not *expecting* more than 1000 to get season tickets in the SS initially?? (assuming there will expect to be 500 or less season ticket holders left in the FML next season).
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Mar 9, 2015 12:13:36 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 12:13:36 GMT 1
See the point is that I think the "NSL from the start wanted the south stand" is inherently wrong. Maybe some/all of the main "organisers" did, but not everyone, we're all in their for different reasons. Personally I prefer that stand as its the best view of the game, as a fan its not possible to get closer to the action anywhere else in the ground... throw in the relative steepness of the stands and even ignoring the big expanse behind the south stand goal line, for the same height you're closer to the pitch in the North Stand. Throw in that you can go central (wont be possible in a split South Stand), and that in the FML everyone is looking forward at the action whereas in the south stand you'll have people craning to see the away fans and becoming more cut off from the game (one of the problems in the Kilner too), throw in that the rickety nature of the fml helps people to get involved as its "different" so they get out of their "this is how we sit and behave at home games" mind set a bit more freely, and theres lots of reasons why some of us tried out the south stand in the recentish experiments, and it just reinforced the memory we had of when this happened years ago (v Port Vale I vaguely recall), and it was crappy. I WON'T be in the South Stand next season. But... everyone has a free choice, it just feels like this NSL experiment needed a couple more seasons of 'protected' development, as its just going to divide the atmosphere again rather than encourage building it I reckon. We'll see I guess. moaning T**t
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Mar 9, 2015 12:20:17 GMT 1
Post by 52bob on Mar 9, 2015 12:20:17 GMT 1
Just came across this piss take clip from Saturday on Twitter but don't know how to post it. Some very familiar faces on there. Can anyone stick it on here?
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Mar 9, 2015 12:28:23 GMT 1
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Post by htfcmatt89 on Mar 9, 2015 12:28:23 GMT 1
Best get some new flags for next season lads
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Mar 9, 2015 12:40:15 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 12:40:15 GMT 1
Best get some new flags for next season lads Great comeback Matt. You gave a load of anti NSL speil yesterday and now today, we have got the south stand, that's all you can say. Read deans message, read the NSL's target from day one before posting such rubbish as you did the other day.
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Mar 9, 2015 13:00:45 GMT 1
Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Mar 9, 2015 13:00:45 GMT 1
Thought NSL was good yesterday. Been hearing recently about contact with different groups, any specifics? Some constructive criticism would be to push on all media sites to show video of chants i.e since I was young with lyrics if this hasn't been done. Also put a message asking people in middle block to try and get as active as the core group of 20 yesterday, politely might be good haha. Overall I feel that increasing core size of NSL is the best thing to do in short-term, even 100 showing same passion would be awesome. I have informally spoken to Palace Oxford and Aldershot fans all of which were very complimentary. All their advice went along the lines of 'stick together', 'be original' and good things will come. Palace fans have now got a reputation for generating a great atmosphere in Selhurst Park, and whenever I occasionally go there it is pretty good. Their equivalent to NSL are in the bottom tier of the Holmesdale End towards the corner flag. I wouldn't have thought that stand had good acoustics, but they generate some noise! Over the years I've been to Aldershot many, many times and considering their crowds have ranged between 1500-3000 and they've mainly been watching crap, no-one could ever fail to be impressed with the atmosphere the Shots fans generate in the East Bank terrace. The East Bank is pretty large and is well enclosed with an old-fashioned barrel roof (similar to the Cowshed at Leeds Road but at least twice as big) and that no doubt helps, but the singing is non-stop. They also have a wide range of flags that adorn the East Bank between the home fans and the away fans.
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Mar 9, 2015 13:13:42 GMT 1
Post by Sio on Mar 9, 2015 13:13:42 GMT 1
They haven't killed any momentum, the club have listened to what town fans have said on the ATT panel. The NSL from the start wanted the south stand, they just never thought it would happen so quick. The club have seen what the NSL has done so far and used the platform that's been created. It's nearly perfect for the NSL. See the point is that I think the "NSL from the start wanted the south stand" is inherently wrong. Maybe some/all of the main "organisers" did, but not everyone, we're all in their for different reasons. Personally I prefer that stand as its the best view of the game, as a fan its not possible to get closer to the action anywhere else in the ground... throw in the relative steepness of the stands and even ignoring the big expanse behind the south stand goal line, for the same height you're closer to the pitch in the North Stand. Throw in that you can go central (wont be possible in a split South Stand), and that in the FML everyone is looking forward at the action whereas in the south stand you'll have people craning to see the away fans and becoming more cut off from the game (one of the problems in the Kilner too), throw in that the rickety nature of the fml helps people to get involved as its "different" so they get out of their "this is how we sit and behave at home games" mind set a bit more freely, and theres lots of reasons why some of us tried out the south stand in the recentish experiments, and it just reinforced the memory we had of when this happened years ago (v Port Vale I vaguely recall), and it was crappy. I WON'T be in the South Stand next season. But... everyone has a free choice, it just feels like this NSL experiment needed a couple more seasons of 'protected' development, as its just going to divide the atmosphere again rather than encourage building it I reckon. We'll see I guess. I think this is a fair argument and certainly a discussion we had within the NSL with some of the lads. But, I think we have to be considerate of how attendances are likely to fall next year - and considering the awful football on display it's no surprise that vocal fans might be on the low side. With this in mind, I very much doubt the NSL would have grown next season in the FML. Might have stayed around the same level, but my personal opinion is that we'd have stagnated a bit. The south stand situation - while only having half of it, of course - should re-invigorate things slightly and help us push on. I think the club are aware of this too; they realise there's not much to shout about at the moment and I think this is why they were so desperate to get the NSL moved in there.
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