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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 4, 2015 16:52:32 GMT 1
So you're saying that out of all towns players coady was the most exciting ? You must be watching a different game to me No I'm asking you to see it from a 13 year old eyes , we swapped a 22 year old ex Liverpool player future star in the making for a 34 year old Middlesbrough player , we not landed a exciting Man united left back but instead have a west brom reject and we not spent a penny yet , early days I know Ex Liverpool means nowt if he never played for them.. future star.. matter of opinion ! Not really mine TBH .. when I was a young teenager and we sold Mally brown I kind of understood it and got over it pronto
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Post by youngboyterrier on Jul 4, 2015 16:53:51 GMT 1
If you're talking about getting bums on seats then you've missed a fair few players. Wells is one of the fan favs especially with the younger fans, you totally missed out Lolley. Lolley is an exciting player with flare, picks up the ball runs at defenders and gets the crowd cheering, much similar to what Bunn was doing at the start of the season.I wouldn't necessarily call it 'flare' but Jacob Butterfield is also a player who isn't afraid to run at the defence and have the odd long shot and this is all without mentioning Sean Scannell... Agreed. Now if only the manager would show some faith in him and give him a regular start. I think the majority of the fans want that this season, in the latter games of last season when he came on a little bit earlier than 80mins he performed really well, even when picking the ball up deep. Let's hope he gets his break
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 4, 2015 17:03:21 GMT 1
If you're talking about getting bums on seats then you've missed a fair few players. Wells is one of the fan favs especially with the younger fans, you totally missed out Lolley. Lolley is an exciting player with flare, picks up the ball runs at defenders and gets the crowd cheering, much similar to what Bunn was doing at the start of the season.I wouldn't necessarily call it 'flare' but Jacob Butterfield is also a player who isn't afraid to run at the defence and have the odd long shot and this is all without mentioning Sean Scannell... Agreed. Now if only the manager would show some faith in him and give him a regular start. That old chestnut.. Lolley suffered from a series of injuries which set him back quite abit & he spoke about this at lenth after the Blackburn game. That & the fact that the players he needed oust for a starting slot was Scanz & Bunn.. Which would you have dropped?
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 4, 2015 17:04:14 GMT 1
Agreed. Now if only the manager would show some faith in him and give him a regular start. I think the majority of the fans want that this season, in the latter games of last season when he came on a little bit earlier than 80mins he performed really well, even when picking the ball up deep. Let's hope he gets his break Who would you drop to include Lolley if you were manager?
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 4, 2015 17:52:43 GMT 1
Agreed. Now if only the manager would show some faith in him and give him a regular start. That old chestnut.. Lolley suffered from a series of injuries which set him back quite abit & he spoke about this at lenth after the Blackburn game. That & the fact that the players he needed oust for a starting slot was Scanz & Bunn.. Which would you have dropped? Lolley was on the bench a fair bit so he must have been fit to be there. I wouldn't have dropped Scannell as for me he was our POTS, however Bunn missed a fair bit of last season but Lolley still couldn't get a game. Lolley has the talent to fill a number of roles (either wing, attacking midfielder, second striker) and with his undoubted talent, we should be looking to fit him in somewhere. Some will say he did nowt in some of the games where he came on, but players like him have to be given a run in the team and if so he'll no doubt fulfil his potential.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 4, 2015 18:09:14 GMT 1
No I'm asking you to see it from a 13 year old eyes , we swapped a 22 year old ex Liverpool player future star in the making for a 34 year old Middlesbrough player , we not landed a exciting Man united left back but instead have a west brom reject and we not spent a penny yet , early days I know Ex Liverpool means nowt if he never played for them.. future star.. matter of opinion ! Not really mine TBH .. when I was a young teenager and we sold Mally brown I kind of understood it and got over it pronto You must have been elated on his return Ted?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 4, 2015 18:20:12 GMT 1
Yeah till I saw him play with the after effects of a broken leg.. never the same player a d in the X1 that shamed the club at man city
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 4, 2015 18:37:06 GMT 1
That old chestnut.. Lolley suffered from a series of injuries which set him back quite abit & he spoke about this at lenth after the Blackburn game. That & the fact that the players he needed oust for a starting slot was Scanz & Bunn.. Which would you have dropped? Lolley was on the bench a fair bit so he must have been fit to be there. I wouldn't have dropped Scannell as for me he was our POTS, however Bunn missed a fair bit of last season but Lolley still couldn't get a game. Lolley has the talent to fill a number of roles (either wing, attacking midfielder, second striker) and with his undoubted talent, we should be looking to fit him in somewhere. Some will say he did nowt in some of the games where he came on, but players like him have to be given a run in the team and if so he'll no doubt fulfil his potential. I can see that janharrier's sixth sense is going to kick in and she'll be on here posting shite before you know it!
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Post by Melc on Jul 5, 2015 9:47:12 GMT 1
So according to the sun Watford have lowered their valuation on McGugan to 500K and we feel it is to much?
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 5, 2015 10:02:05 GMT 1
If you're talking about getting bums on seats then you've missed a fair few players. Wells is one of the fan favs especially with the younger fans, you totally missed out Lolley. Lolley is an exciting player with flare, picks up the ball runs at defenders and gets the crowd cheering, much similar to what Bunn was doing at the start of the season.I wouldn't necessarily call it 'flare' but Jacob Butterfield is also a player who isn't afraid to run at the defence and have the odd long shot and this is all without mentioning Sean Scannell... Agreed. Now if only the manager would show some faith in him and give him a regular start. ..... in place of? Can't see where he would fit in our starting 11. At the start of this season I'd have had him in front of Scannell but I don't think he would start in front of Scannell now. Bunn is first choice on the left - knows his job and Powell clearly likes him. No place in the centre. I think he will have to wait until Scannell needs resting or their is an injury crisis. A shame because he has a lot of talent. His main role this season is going to be as impact sub.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 5, 2015 10:10:10 GMT 1
So according to the sun Watford have lowered their valuation on McGugan to 500K and we feel it is to much? If the rumours were true we bid £450k, so we're not far off.. If we do want him here we need to move quickly though otherwise another championship club will snap him soon.
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Post by townatheart on Jul 5, 2015 10:16:15 GMT 1
If that's what Watford are asking I cant see it being a problem some big IF's here, but, if first he is a player that Powell has identified as being wanted/needed, and if he is indeed available in that price range, if he wanted to come here, and if his wages were not prohibitive, then would think he is well worth a serious look.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 5, 2015 10:16:29 GMT 1
So according to the sun Watford have lowered their valuation on McGugan to 500K and we feel it is to much? If the rumours were true we bid £450k, so we're not far off.. If we do want him here we need to move quickly though otherwise another championship club will snap him soon. Where would he fit in - is he an automatic starter or a squad player? He's never really stood out for me apart from a few pot shots.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 5, 2015 10:24:08 GMT 1
If the rumours were true we bid £450k, so we're not far off.. If we do want him here we need to move quickly though otherwise another championship club will snap him soon. Where would he fit in - is he an automatic starter or a squad player? He's never really stood out for me apart from a few pot shots. Butterfield's engine would allow him to play a slightly deeper role with Whitehead sitting in protecting the back line, which would leave Mcgugan to find the pocket between the opposition defence & midfield.. I've always rated Mcgugan tbf.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 5, 2015 10:31:26 GMT 1
Yea I take your point , particularly about Bunn he is exciting to watch , however Smith is a defender , Vaughan spends more time on Dr couch than pitch and he's not seen the ausie import yet . With the exception of Bunn we have no one with any flair or excitement , no one to get bums in the ground and off seats when we're going forward . I know Hammil was a lose cannon but he was exciting , as was Pilks , Novak , Rhodes and now we have half a Wallace Arnold bus trip , not saying they are bad but if u are 13 not exactly exciting Scannell doesn't get bums off seats? Up to the point of his final ball delivery when we can all sit back down again Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 5, 2015 10:36:55 GMT 1
A tricky one - depends if it leads to weakness in other areas of the pitch I guess. Always seen that as a potential role for Lolley but more as of a second striker dropping back.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jul 5, 2015 10:55:45 GMT 1
Massive set to sign Ross Wallace wasn't we after him
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jul 5, 2015 13:53:47 GMT 1
I honestly don't see McGugan as being a Town type of player, he has undoubted talent but when he's not scoring worldies he seems to go missing. I see him as a luxury player that a top end team can bring on when they are well on top, while we will spend a lot of the season without the ball - is he really the type of player to roll his sleeves up when the going gets tough and I'm not sure what type of lad he is, will he buy into our team ethic - though I'm sure the staff have considered this if he is coming?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 14:06:10 GMT 1
Are we not in the market for a striker? Yes we got the main 3 of wells vaughny and Miller, obviously bunn can fill in I suppose, but with injury record of Vaughan ect do we think we need another? Always liked le fondre and Nicky Maynard has a decent record, are these two still available? My Cardiff supporting mate couldn't wait to get rid of Maynard. Apparently his wages were beyond excessive and he did nowt all the time he was there. He's a long way down the line from when he used to hurt us for Crewe!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 14:07:00 GMT 1
Massive set to sign Ross Wallace wasn't we after him Think you're mixing him up with Ross Wilson
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 5, 2015 14:26:34 GMT 1
I honestly don't see McGugan as being a Town type of player, he has undoubted talent but when he's not scoring worldies he seems to go missing. I see him as a luxury player that a top end team can bring on when they are well on top, while we will spend a lot of the season without the ball - is he really the type of player to roll his sleeves up when the going gets tough and I'm not sure what type of lad he is, will he buy into our team ethic - though I'm sure the staff have considered this if he is coming? I initially thought it very odd, but have just about changed my mind. We have plenty of grafter types, but only really Butterfield with any real guile. Possibly Holmes??? Think the expected formation will be key though, as I wouldn't expect a major signing to be sat on the subs bench half the time.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 5, 2015 14:55:05 GMT 1
Does McGugan have guile? Don't forget its a team game - and Coady was important in "allowing" Butterfield to express his guile - not sure any of our other grafters did. I guess Whitehead and Hogg are our grafter types, but as Hogg couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo in the passing department, Butterfield may struggle a bit this season. Don't know if the keep stats on it but I imagine a great deal of the supply provided to Butterfield came from Coady.
An optimist might say that Butterfield and McGugan would form a fine attacking midfield with Whitehead sat behind them - but I've not seen anything from CP's tactics to suggest he thinks that way.
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Post by Sio on Jul 5, 2015 15:07:59 GMT 1
Does McGugan have guile? Don't forget its a team game - and Coady was important in "allowing" Butterfield to express his guile - not sure any of our other grafters did. I guess Whitehead and Hogg are our grafter types, but as Hogg couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo in the passing department, Butterfield may struggle a bit this season. Don't know if the keep stats on it but I imagine a great deal of the supply provided to Butterfield came from Coady. An optimist might say that Butterfield and McGugan would form a fine attacking midfield with Whitehead sat behind them - but I've not seen anything from CP's tactics to suggest he thinks that way. Last paragraph is my concern too. I think McGugan and Butterfield could work brilliantly in the same midfield, but I highly doubt Powell will employ two attacking midfielders at the same time. For this reason I'm a little surprised that he's apparently a target because I can't fully see where he'll fit in. If it means Butterfield sits back, I'd be disappointed.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 5, 2015 15:12:39 GMT 1
Does McGugan have guile? Don't forget its a team game - and Coady was important in "allowing" Butterfield to express his guile - not sure any of our other grafters did. I guess Whitehead and Hogg are our grafter types, but as Hogg couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo in the passing department, Butterfield may struggle a bit this season. Don't know if the keep stats on it but I imagine a great deal of the supply provided to Butterfield came from Coady. An optimist might say that Butterfield and McGugan would form a fine attacking midfield with Whitehead sat behind them - but I've not seen anything from CP's tactics to suggest he thinks that way. Last paragraph is my concern too. I think McGugan and Butterfield could work brilliantly in the same midfield, but I highly doubt Powell will employ two attacking midfielders at the same time. For this reason I'm a little surprised that he's apparently a target because I can't fully see where he'll fit in. If it means Butterfield sits back, I'd be disappointed. Butterfield would be wasted if his game was restricted. Maybe he has/hasn't a release clause as well
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 5, 2015 15:59:05 GMT 1
Does McGugan have guile? Don't forget its a team game - and Coady was important in "allowing" Butterfield to express his guile - not sure any of our other grafters did. I guess Whitehead and Hogg are our grafter types, but as Hogg couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo in the passing department, Butterfield may struggle a bit this season. Don't know if the keep stats on it but I imagine a great deal of the supply provided to Butterfield came from Coady. An optimist might say that Butterfield and McGugan would form a fine attacking midfield with Whitehead sat behind them - but I've not seen anything from CP's tactics to suggest he thinks that way. I agree with what you're saying, other than questioning whether McGugan has guile, which is why I find your response really odd. Nothing I originally said contradicts what you say. What I've said about the formation being key is precisely because in some scenarios (e.g. 4:4:2) Butterfield and McGugan won't likely work. These two with Hogg, Whitehead, Billing or Trondstat probably will. On Hogg's, he's perfectly fine with the basic stuff, he only goes to pot in tight situations (and won't ever score!), but that would actually be a justification for McGugan, another player to share the creative workload and chip in with some goals. I am struggling to see a formation with Butterfield, McGugan and Wells though, so am not entirely convinced.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 5, 2015 16:00:42 GMT 1
I honestly don't see McGugan as being a Town type of player, he has undoubted talent but when he's not scoring worldies he seems to go missing. I see him as a luxury player that a top end team can bring on when they are well on top, while we will spend a lot of the season without the ball - is he really the type of player to roll his sleeves up when the going gets tough and I'm not sure what type of lad he is, will he buy into our team ethic - though I'm sure the staff have considered this if he is coming? I initially thought it very odd, but have just about changed my mind. We have plenty of grafter types, but only really Butterfield with any real guile. Possibly Holmes???Think the expected formation will be key though, as I wouldn't expect a major signing to be sat on the subs bench half the time. Have you noticed that he's cut off his girlie locks. Hopefully he'll be given his chance now that he looks like a proper footballer.
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Post by Cole on Jul 5, 2015 16:04:32 GMT 1
I initially thought it very odd, but have just about changed my mind. We have plenty of grafter types, but only really Butterfield with any real guile. Possibly Holmes???Think the expected formation will be key though, as I wouldn't expect a major signing to be sat on the subs bench half the time. Have you noticed that he's cut off his girlie locks. Hopefully he'll be given his chance now that he looks like a proper footballer. apart from being 4ft 8 and weighing 34kg
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Post by morleyterrier on Jul 5, 2015 16:04:45 GMT 1
Does McGugan have guile? Don't forget its a team game - and Coady was important in "allowing" Butterfield to express his guile - not sure any of our other grafters did. I guess Whitehead and Hogg are our grafter types, but as Hogg couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo in the passing department, Butterfield may struggle a bit this season. Don't know if the keep stats on it but I imagine a great deal of the supply provided to Butterfield came from Coady. An optimist might say that Butterfield and McGugan would form a fine attacking midfield with Whitehead sat behind them - but I've not seen anything from CP's tactics to suggest he thinks that way. I agree with what you're saying, other than questioning whether McGugan has guile, which is why I find your response really odd. Nothing I originally said contradicts what you say. What I've said about the formation being key is precisely because in some scenarios (e.g. 4:4:2) Butterfield and McGugan won't likely work. These two with Hogg, Whitehead, Billing or Trondstat probably will. On Hogg's, he's perfectly fine with the basic stuff, he only goes to pot in tight situations (and won't ever score!), but that would actually be a justification for McGugan, another player to share the creative workload and chip in with some goals. I am struggling to see a formation with Butterfield, McGugan and Wells though, so am not entirely convinced. Please tell me about Trondstat, not see him play. What will he bring to the Team and what are his strengths?.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 5, 2015 16:07:57 GMT 1
Does McGugan have guile? Don't forget its a team game - and Coady was important in "allowing" Butterfield to express his guile - not sure any of our other grafters did. I guess Whitehead and Hogg are our grafter types, but as Hogg couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo in the passing department, Butterfield may struggle a bit this season. Don't know if the keep stats on it but I imagine a great deal of the supply provided to Butterfield came from Coady. An optimist might say that Butterfield and McGugan would form a fine attacking midfield with Whitehead sat behind them - but I've not seen anything from CP's tactics to suggest he thinks that way. Last paragraph is my concern too. I think McGugan and Butterfield could work brilliantly in the same midfield, but I highly doubt Powell will employ two attacking midfielders at the same time. For this reason I'm a little surprised that he's apparently a target because I can't fully see where he'll fit in. If it means Butterfield sits back, I'd be disappointed. Powell has shown he works with what he has available and targets players to suit certain roles, rather than approaches things scattergun. His loans were all like that, even if Edgar was used too much. Maybe if he has players he is comfortable with he will go for it more. Saying that, I think his conservative approach was exaggerated anyway.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 5, 2015 16:10:51 GMT 1
I agree with what you're saying, other than questioning whether McGugan has guile, which is why I find your response really odd. Nothing I originally said contradicts what you say. What I've said about the formation being key is precisely because in some scenarios (e.g. 4:4:2) Butterfield and McGugan won't likely work. These two with Hogg, Whitehead, Billing or Trondstat probably will. On Hogg's, he's perfectly fine with the basic stuff, he only goes to pot in tight situations (and won't ever score!), but that would actually be a justification for McGugan, another player to share the creative workload and chip in with some goals. I am struggling to see a formation with Butterfield, McGugan and Wells though, so am not entirely convinced. Please tell me about Trondstat, not see him play. What will he bring to the Team and what are his strengths?. Never seen him. Possibly putting 2+2 together and making 15. My understanding though is he's an energetic defensive midfielder, but I could easily be wrong and talking a crock of shit
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