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Post by morleyterrier on Jul 5, 2015 16:16:08 GMT 1
Please tell me about Trondstat, not see him play. What will he bring to the Team and what are his strengths?. Never seen him. Possibly putting 2+2 together and making 15. My understanding though is he's an energetic defensive midfielder, but I could easily be wrong and talking a crock of shit Fair enough!. Lads like this need a chance I think. It's time to get rid of the shackles and get them on the pitch.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Jul 5, 2015 16:21:03 GMT 1
Last paragraph is my concern too. I think McGugan and Butterfield could work brilliantly in the same midfield, but I highly doubt Powell will employ two attacking midfielders at the same time. For this reason I'm a little surprised that he's apparently a target because I can't fully see where he'll fit in. If it means Butterfield sits back, I'd be disappointed. Powell has shown he works with what he has available and targets players to suit certain roles, rather than approaches things scattergun. His loans were all like that, even if Edgar was used too much. Maybe if he has players he is comfortable with he will go for it more. Saying that, I think his conservative approach was exaggerated anyway. Think you are right that Powell will be a bit more expansive in his selections and style of play if he's got faith in the players ability to play that way. Hopefully we will see more of the play we saw in the last 7 games of the season because the football prior to that was dull in the extreme. Edgar was a strange one, could not for the life of me see what he brought to the team and if he is seriously a better option than any of our academy midfielders we must be producing some right dross !!!
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Post by terrierng on Jul 5, 2015 16:21:28 GMT 1
The penny may have dropped at last despite there being a buyout the reason coady was allowed to leave, apart from the obvs fee,is that we have billing, tronstad and Holmes ready to step up,thats three players we can use when needed instead of one plus two million quid...good management that despite some of the hissy fits on here ;D
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Post by captainblack on Jul 5, 2015 16:22:07 GMT 1
I initially thought it very odd, but have just about changed my mind. We have plenty of grafter types, but only really Butterfield with any real guile. Possibly Holmes???Think the expected formation will be key though, as I wouldn't expect a major signing to be sat on the subs bench half the time. Have you noticed that he's cut off his girlie locks. Hopefully he'll be given his chance now that he looks like a proper footballer. I seem to remember Frank Worthington having girlie locks at one time .
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 5, 2015 16:26:40 GMT 1
Have you noticed that he's cut off his girlie locks. Hopefully he'll be given his chance now that he looks like a proper footballer. I seem to remember Frank Worthington having girlie locks at one time . Aye but it was all the rage in them days and he was an exceptional footballer.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jul 5, 2015 16:35:31 GMT 1
I seem to remember Frank Worthington having girlie locks at one time . Aye but it was all the rage in them days and he was an exceptional footballer. I seem to remember drilling holes in his cars silencer was too
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 16:37:27 GMT 1
The penny may have dropped at last despite there being a buyout the reason coady was allowed to leave, apart from the obvs fee,is that we have billing, tronstad and Holmes ready to step up,thats three players we can use when needed instead of one plus two million quid...good management that despite some of the hissy fits on here ;D 2 months ago none of those 3 were deemed ready for our first team. Has a few weeks in the sun enjoying themselves suddenly changed that?
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Post by terrierng on Jul 5, 2015 16:47:28 GMT 1
The penny may have dropped at last despite there being a buyout the reason coady was allowed to leave, apart from the obvs fee,is that we have billing, tronstad and Holmes ready to step up,thats three players we can use when needed instead of one plus two million quid...good management that despite some of the hissy fits on here ;D 2 months ago none of those 3 were deemed ready for our first team. Has a few weeks in the sun enjoying themselves suddenly changed that? Who says you and the rest of the know it alls on here? When was the last time you watched any of those play....fifa doesn't count unfortunately, billing has been knocking on the door a while,as had tronstad, Holmes attitude has held him back more than anything, the first two have been restricted because of the serious need for points,imagine in the middle of a relegation battle blooding them and there not messi, you and loads more would be demanding blood,expect them three and lolley to feature heavily pre season and if only two out of those four step up straight away we are still a player better off and two mill richer... Like i say good management.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 16:52:44 GMT 1
2 months ago none of those 3 were deemed ready for our first team. Has a few weeks in the sun enjoying themselves suddenly changed that? Who says you and the rest of the know it alls on here? When was the last time you watched any of those play....fifa doesn't count unfortunately, billing has been knocking on the door a while,as had tronstad, Holmes attitude has held him back more than anything, the first two have been restricted because of the serious need for points,imagine in the middle of a relegation battle blooding them and there not messi, you and loads more would be demanding blood,expect them three and lolley to feature heavily pre season and if only two out of those four step up straight away we are still a player better off and two mill richer... Like i say good management. The fifa line is all you ever seem to have when you get in to a debate on this stuff. So the last four or five games when we were safe wasn't a good time to see how they did but the start of a new season, when its critical we get off to a good start, is? Loving that logic. And if you had read anything I've posted recently you will see i thought the Coady deal was great business. But you're a bit daft if you don't think we'll be signing someone to replace him
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Post by upthetown on Jul 5, 2015 16:53:01 GMT 1
2 months ago none of those 3 were deemed ready for our first team. Has a few weeks in the sun enjoying themselves suddenly changed that? Who says you and the rest of the know it alls on here? When was the last time you watched any of those play....fifa doesn't count unfortunately, billing has been knocking on the door a while,as had tronstad, Holmes attitude has held him back more than anything, the first two have been restricted because of the serious need for points,imagine in the middle of a relegation battle blooding them and there not messi, you and loads more would be demanding blood,expect them three and lolley to feature heavily pre season and if only two out of those four step up straight away we are still a player better off and two mill richer... Like i say good management. We were safe with games to spare, they're clearly not deemed ready yet, despite their obvious potential.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 5, 2015 16:54:32 GMT 1
2 months ago none of those 3 were deemed ready for our first team. Has a few weeks in the sun enjoying themselves suddenly changed that? Who says you and the rest of the know it alls on here? When was the last time you watched any of those play....fifa doesn't count unfortunately, billing has been knocking on the door a while,as had tronstad, Holmes attitude has held him back more than anything, the first two have been restricted because of the serious need for points,imagine in the middle of a relegation battle blooding them and there not messi, you and loads more would be demanding blood,expect them three and lolley to feature heavily pre season and if only two out of those four step up straight away we are still a player better off and two mill richer... Like i say good management. More than anything? I'd imagine lack of physical strength and ability are his biggest concerns. Not seen enough of tronstad or Billing to have any opinion on them at all, but if either can come through and replace Coady or Gobern then it will be great for the club, and hopefully free up some revenue to bring in a new centre back and striker.
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Post by terrierng on Jul 5, 2015 16:55:42 GMT 1
Who says you and the rest of the know it alls on here? When was the last time you watched any of those play....fifa doesn't count unfortunately, billing has been knocking on the door a while,as had tronstad, Holmes attitude has held him back more than anything, the first two have been restricted because of the serious need for points,imagine in the middle of a relegation battle blooding them and there not messi, you and loads more would be demanding blood,expect them three and lolley to feature heavily pre season and if only two out of those four step up straight away we are still a player better off and two mill richer... Like i say good management. More than anything? I'd imagine lack of physical strength and ability are his biggest concerns. Not seen enough of tronstad or Billing to have any opinion on them at all, but if either can come through and replace Coady or Gobern then it will be great for the club, and hopefully free up some revenue to bring in a new centre back and striker. Yep capt,his attitude more than anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 16:56:22 GMT 1
Who says you and the rest of the know it alls on here? When was the last time you watched any of those play....fifa doesn't count unfortunately, billing has been knocking on the door a while,as had tronstad, Holmes attitude has held him back more than anything, the first two have been restricted because of the serious need for points,imagine in the middle of a relegation battle blooding them and there not messi, you and loads more would be demanding blood,expect them three and lolley to feature heavily pre season and if only two out of those four step up straight away we are still a player better off and two mill richer... Like i say good management. More than anything? I'd imagine lack of physical strength and ability are his biggest concerns. Not seen enough of tronstad or Billing to have any opinion on them at all, but if either can come through and replace Coady or Gobern then it will be great for the club, and hopefully free up some revenue to bring in a new centre back and striker. And if we've got a centre back and striker coming through from the academy then its even better business
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Post by terrierng on Jul 5, 2015 16:56:27 GMT 1
Who says you and the rest of the know it alls on here? When was the last time you watched any of those play....fifa doesn't count unfortunately, billing has been knocking on the door a while,as had tronstad, Holmes attitude has held him back more than anything, the first two have been restricted because of the serious need for points,imagine in the middle of a relegation battle blooding them and there not messi, you and loads more would be demanding blood,expect them three and lolley to feature heavily pre season and if only two out of those four step up straight away we are still a player better off and two mill richer... Like i say good management. We were safe with games to spare, they're clearly not deemed ready yet, despite their obvious potential. Ok we will just have to see if they play pre season then.
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Post by upthetown on Jul 5, 2015 16:57:05 GMT 1
Who says you and the rest of the know it alls on here? When was the last time you watched any of those play....fifa doesn't count unfortunately, billing has been knocking on the door a while,as had tronstad, Holmes attitude has held him back more than anything, the first two have been restricted because of the serious need for points,imagine in the middle of a relegation battle blooding them and there not messi, you and loads more would be demanding blood,expect them three and lolley to feature heavily pre season and if only two out of those four step up straight away we are still a player better off and two mill richer... Like i say good management. The fifa line is all you ever seem to have when you get in to a debate on this stuff. So the last four or five games when we were safe wasn't a good time to see how they did but the start of a new season, when its critical we get off to a good start, is? Loving that logic. And if you had read anything I've posted recently you will see i thought the Coady deal was great business. But you're a bit daft if you don't think we'll be signing someone to replace him You did probably sell Coady to Wolves though on FIFA and Football Manager before you came to the great business conclusion.
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Post by terrierng on Jul 5, 2015 16:57:33 GMT 1
More than anything? I'd imagine lack of physical strength and ability are his biggest concerns. Not seen enough of tronstad or Billing to have any opinion on them at all, but if either can come through and replace Coady or Gobern then it will be great for the club, and hopefully free up some revenue to bring in a new centre back and striker. And if we've got a centre back and striker coming through from the academy then its even better business Thinks thats pushing it a bit,though honestly i dont know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 16:58:35 GMT 1
That would be some achievement having not owned either game for quite a long time
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 5, 2015 16:58:25 GMT 1
Does McGugan have guile? Don't forget its a team game - and Coady was important in "allowing" Butterfield to express his guile - not sure any of our other grafters did. I guess Whitehead and Hogg are our grafter types, but as Hogg couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo in the passing department, Butterfield may struggle a bit this season. Don't know if the keep stats on it but I imagine a great deal of the supply provided to Butterfield came from Coady. An optimist might say that Butterfield and McGugan would form a fine attacking midfield with Whitehead sat behind them - but I've not seen anything from CP's tactics to suggest he thinks that way. I agree with what you're saying, other than questioning whether McGugan has guile, which is why I find your response really odd. Nothing I originally said contradicts what you say. What I've said about the formation being key is precisely because in some scenarios (e.g. 4:4:2) Butterfield and McGugan won't likely work. These two with Hogg, Whitehead, Billing or Trondstat probably will. On Hogg's, he's perfectly fine with the basic stuff, he only goes to pot in tight situations (and won't ever score!), but that would actually be a justification for McGugan, another player to share the creative workload and chip in with some goals. I am struggling to see a formation with Butterfield, McGugan and Wells though, so am not entirely convinced. Don't think I was disagreeing with you - more expanding on what you said
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Post by terrierng on Jul 5, 2015 16:58:47 GMT 1
Who says you and the rest of the know it alls on here? When was the last time you watched any of those play....fifa doesn't count unfortunately, billing has been knocking on the door a while,as had tronstad, Holmes attitude has held him back more than anything, the first two have been restricted because of the serious need for points,imagine in the middle of a relegation battle blooding them and there not messi, you and loads more would be demanding blood,expect them three and lolley to feature heavily pre season and if only two out of those four step up straight away we are still a player better off and two mill richer... Like i say good management. The fifa line is all you ever seem to have when you get in to a debate on this stuff. So the last four or five games when we were safe wasn't a good time to see how they did but the start of a new season, when its critical we get off to a good start, is? Loving that logic. And if you had read anything I've posted recently you will see i thought the Coady deal was great business. But you're a bit daft if you don't think we'll be signing someone to replace him How many games you watch live last season, truthful now? And yes i am daft.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 17:01:34 GMT 1
The fifa line is all you ever seem to have when you get in to a debate on this stuff. So the last four or five games when we were safe wasn't a good time to see how they did but the start of a new season, when its critical we get off to a good start, is? Loving that logic. And if you had read anything I've posted recently you will see i thought the Coady deal was great business. But you're a bit daft if you don't think we'll be signing someone to replace him How many games you watch live last season, truthful now? And yes i am daft. Of the academy? None
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Post by terrierng on Jul 5, 2015 17:03:04 GMT 1
How many games you watch live last season, truthful now? And yes i am daft. Of the academy? None Or the first team?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 17:03:30 GMT 1
We were safe with games to spare, they're clearly not deemed ready yet, despite their obvious potential. Ok we will just have to see if they play pre season then. What has playing in pre season got to do with it? Its just a glorified kick around to get some fitness. Nothing can be gleaned from a friendly team selection
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Post by theravymoomin on Jul 5, 2015 17:06:10 GMT 1
Are we not in the market for a striker? Yes we got the main 3 of wells vaughny and Miller, obviously bunn can fill in I suppose, but with injury record of Vaughan ect do we think we need another? Always liked le fondre and Nicky Maynard has a decent record, are these two still available? My Cardiff supporting mate couldn't wait to get rid of Maynard. Apparently his wages were beyond excessive and he did nowt all the time he was there. He's a long way down the line from when he used to hurt us for Crewe! Fair enough, I just thought he was decent especially for free. Le fondre it is then
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jul 5, 2015 17:06:57 GMT 1
That would be some achievement having not owned either game for quite a long time I think I once saw Iain Dowie on resident evil
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Post by terrierng on Jul 5, 2015 17:08:23 GMT 1
Ok we will just have to see if they play pre season then. What has playing in pre season got to do with it? Its just a glorified kick around to get some fitness. Nothing can be gleaned from a friendly team selection You just dont get it do you? Ffs its like pulling fucking teeth
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 17:10:25 GMT 1
Jordan Sinnott featured in pre season last year...
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Post by terrierng on Jul 5, 2015 17:16:12 GMT 1
Jordan Sinnott featured in pre season last year... so fucking what? got shat on by robins and put him back a yr or two. billing and tronstad will feature heavily in pre season, with a view to stepping up dont believe it if you don't want im past arguing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 17:19:01 GMT 1
Don't think we need to buy another striker at the moment, Vaughan, Wells & Miller & perhaps Charles are enough especially the times we play 4-5-1, it's the defence which needs sorting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 17:19:52 GMT 1
Jordan Sinnott featured in pre season last year... so fucking what? got shat on by robins and put him back a yr or two. billing and tronstad will feature heavily in pre season, with a view to stepping up dont believe it if you don't want im past arguing. Im sure they will but they won't feature heavily in our starting 11 this season
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Post by terrierng on Jul 5, 2015 17:28:35 GMT 1
so fucking what? got shat on by robins and put him back a yr or two. billing and tronstad will feature heavily in pre season, with a view to stepping up dont believe it if you don't want im past arguing. Im sure they will but they won't feature heavily in our starting 11 this season you see here you go again,wont they? we have three players,four with lolley who are knocking on the door,pre season will determine who is ready,if only one is great,two or more a bonus,FOUR players to replace one....would you have said bunn would of pushed through this season,or smith,or even scannell....nope cos you wouldn't of seen the first two and like everyone else had wrote scannell off.maybe your right we will replace coady with someone from outside but I will tell you now tronstad or billing will breakthrough this season...lolley and holmes will play more too though the latter may be out on loan.
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