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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 3, 2015 17:27:12 GMT 1
Wolves aren't a bigger club? , of course they are, I think out of all these players like Coady, Pilkington, Hunt, Rhodes etc only Rhodes could be criticised for the choice of club, when players have left for a so called 'bigger club' Blackburn in my eyes aren't bigger than town they are a club of a similar ilk, similar attendances they get a shit away following where I consider ours to be quite good considering the size of the town! And as for wolves another fan stated they get good away support, looking at the statistics they were second to Leeds so they are clearly a well supported club, they also average well over 20,000 for home games too!
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Post by COWleySHED on Jul 3, 2015 17:27:29 GMT 1
don't know where I stand with coadys sale. yes it is terrific business buy your cards cheap and sell them for huge profit after putting them on the shelf for 12 months but will this money be spent on a new player or 2 or are we not replacing him - if its that we are pocketing the money then I for one will be pissed off
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 3, 2015 17:28:33 GMT 1
Twas ever thus with Town. We develop a player and he is snatched away. Let's face it Town is a small club. (At least since the 1920s and maybe the early 1930s.) I doubt that Town will ever hit the big time again, merely bumble along from Div 2 when doing well to Div 3 when not doing well. I do not blame Hoyle for selling, after all he is already some 37,000,000 quid out of pocket. As you can read I am feeling rather 'down' today. Hopefully some time soon I shall see the sun breaking through again. It was the end of the maximum wage that killed our chance to compete at the highest level David. In the last 45 years we have spent just about a third of it at this level, so for someone of my age these are the good times, since relegation from the top flight: We spent 1 season at this level for the remainder of the 70's We spent 5 seasons at this level in the 80's We spent 6 seasons at this level across the 90's and 2000's This will be our 4th season at this level in our latest span, I hope it continues.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 3, 2015 17:28:46 GMT 1
Well fella an average crowd of 22418 in a town of a similar size against 13612 suggests they are a bigger club...they also have fantastic away support.....but hey the world moves on.....more of a chance now for Billing and co....many on here were calling for such players towards the end of last season. Plus historically we have never been a well supported club and the idea that holding onto good players (who want away) will suddenly lead to a massive influx of home support is frankly delusional....re: Coady yes the lad has potential but he's not a world beater.... So, by your reasoning Bradford are a bigger club than we are? They certainly will be this season if their season ticket sales are correct. Thats a bit different as they're practically giving them away. If Rochdale sold 20000 season cards at 50p a time to locals, it wouldn't mean they were a bigger club really. Wolves have spent a lot of the last 40 years in the top flight. theyve been in finals, won things. Played in europe. Weve spent the last 40 years doing bugger all by comparrison. theres no shame in saying wolves with their 23000 average crowds are a bigger club than town. Of course they are! Were struggling to shift 7000 season cards FFS!
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Post by COWleySHED on Jul 3, 2015 17:29:39 GMT 1
lots of clubs gambling money they simply don't have at the moment. We have to hope that at Town, we can get the squad to outperform regularly. Think of it as being like Burnley did it. No big superstars, just a squad of players who are willing to do everything they can for a chance at the big time. Might be more as to why Coady went. If I were deano and someone who has yet to prove himself (as coady) walked into my office with his agent an said he wanted to move to one of our competitors i'd want nothing more than to get him out of the club. (Yeah he may have had a 'release clause fee' in his contract but that didn't mean we had to sell him) . There has to be some degree of loyalty shown by players. He obviously wanted out, and for decent money he went. dean's no fool. We need players who are willing to be a part of this club. He wasn't. Goodbye Conor you won't be missed at all. who says he didn't wanna stay that's the clubs excuse for cashing in on him which they are entitled too conor was a solid player who did his best for the club I wish him well on his move which is better for his career but this move is not the same as last summer when clayts and norwood clearly wanted to move on - this is simply that hes been headhunted and the club have snatched wolves hands off so shut it
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Post by COWleySHED on Jul 3, 2015 17:31:42 GMT 1
conor hourihane as a replacement for me another potential development player who we can stick in our first team and watch his value soar
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 17:31:39 GMT 1
Well fella an average crowd of 22418 in a town of a similar size against 13612 suggests they are a bigger club...they also have fantastic away support.....but hey the world moves on.....more of a chance now for Billing and co....many on here were calling for such players towards the end of last season. Plus historically we have never been a well supported club and the idea that holding onto good players (who want away) will suddenly lead to a massive influx of home support is frankly delusional....re: Coady yes the lad has potential but he's not a world beater.... So, by your reasoning Bradford are a bigger club than we are? They certainly will be this season if their season ticket sales are correct. That's somewhat of a jump in so called reasoned discussion....who mentioned that club? Coady was never going to go there.....
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 3, 2015 17:32:53 GMT 1
lots of clubs gambling money they simply don't have at the moment. We have to hope that at Town, we can get the squad to outperform regularly. Think of it as being like Burnley did it. No big superstars, just a squad of players who are willing to do everything they can for a chance at the big time. Might be more as to why Coady went. If I were deano and someone who has yet to prove himself (as coady) walked into my office with his agent an said he wanted to move to one of our competitors i'd want nothing more than to get him out of the club. (Yeah he may have had a 'release clause fee' in his contract but that didn't mean we had to sell him) . There has to be some degree of loyalty shown by players. He obviously wanted out, and for decent money he went. dean's no fool. We need players who are willing to be a part of this club. He wasn't. Goodbye Conor you won't be missed at all. who says he didn't wanna stay that's the clubs excuse for cashing in on him which they are entitled too conor was a solid player who did his best for the club I wish him well on his move which is better for his career but this move is not the same as last summer when clayts and norwood clearly wanted to move on - this is simply that hes been headhunted and the club have snatched wolves hands off so shut it
I agree it's probably just an excuse from the board but he doesn't look very happy modelling the away kit!
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Post by COWleySHED on Jul 3, 2015 17:34:10 GMT 1
ha yeah ive seen that - maybe that's why he left ........ NOT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 17:35:36 GMT 1
Clever dealing on Town's part. A year ago we had want-away Clayton (with a year on his contract) and a so-so Norwood. We've now got Butterfield and Whitehead and are £3.5 million to the good. In terms of ambition, let's see what happens next: use the money to bring in a commanding central defender, and maybe our next young starlet, and the squad could be looking much stronger. There's a reason Deano's doing all right in life.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 3, 2015 17:39:14 GMT 1
So, by your reasoning Bradford are a bigger club than we are? They certainly will be this season if their season ticket sales are correct. Thats a bit different as they're practically giving them away. If Rochdale sold 20000 season cards at 50p a time to locals, it wouldn't mean they were a bigger club really. Wolves have spent a lot of the last 40 years in the top flight. theyve been in finals, won things. Played in europe. Weve spent the last 40 years doing bugger all by comparrison. theres no shame in saying wolves with their 23000 average crowds are a bigger club than town. Of course they are! Were struggling to shift 7000 season cards FFS! I always thought the best way to judge the relative size of a club is the income they are able to generate.
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 3, 2015 17:43:40 GMT 1
With season ticket sales being as low as they are this sale is hardly going to give them a boost! We need to sign a good player now to recapture the imagination of the fans. I still have memories of a 4-0 home thrashing on the opening day of last season and I desperately fear for the future support if we sell any more of our better players and produce a similar result.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 3, 2015 17:48:02 GMT 1
Thats a bit different as they're practically giving them away. If Rochdale sold 20000 season cards at 50p a time to locals, it wouldn't mean they were a bigger club really. Wolves have spent a lot of the last 40 years in the top flight. theyve been in finals, won things. Played in europe. Weve spent the last 40 years doing bugger all by comparrison. theres no shame in saying wolves with their 23000 average crowds are a bigger club than town. Of course they are! Were struggling to shift 7000 season cards FFS! I always thought the best way to judge the relative size of a club is the income they are able to generate. Not for me. By that method Burnley or Leicester were a bigger club than both Celtic and rangers last season. Probably both added together in fact! To me its always about support really, though usually wealth goes hand in hand with that.
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Post by bristolterrier on Jul 3, 2015 17:49:01 GMT 1
Utter shite. Season ticket refunds? Football clubs sell players. If you bought a season ticket on the basis that the club weren't going to sell players without your agreement, then you're a fool. It was obviously written in jest..... jesus. Im still remembering the advertising boards saying "you buy the tickets and we will buy the players" should have been "you buy the tickets and we will buy sell the best players" Really don't know why there is so much condemnation on this board. It's the 3rd July not the 3rd August!!!!! Lot's of time to sign more players and do you not think Powell knows we need a CH? Finally, a bit sorry to see Conor go but hands up on this board who at the end of last season valued him at 2 million11-Certainly not me.
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Post by firemangeorge on Jul 3, 2015 17:49:52 GMT 1
I thought we were building a side not wrecking it, one old guy in one fantastic player out .If wolves wanted him that much we should have made them pay the price 3 mil in my opinion they stole him just like we did.Cant wait to see how the club will pacify the fans after this.Is it all worth it.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 3, 2015 17:51:12 GMT 1
With season ticket sales being as low as they are this sale is hardly going to give them a boost! We need to sign a good player now to recapture the imagination of the fans. I still have memories of a 4-0 home thrashing on the opening day of last season and I desperately fear for the future support if we sell any more of our better players and produce a similar result. What about what followed the first game? Like having a better season than before and finishing higher than we have for 15 years? Shouldn't that have more effect on support than what happens in the first game? We wouldn't have sold one extra ticket as a result of keeping Conor Coady by the way.
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 3, 2015 17:51:56 GMT 1
So, by your reasoning Bradford are a bigger club than we are? They certainly will be this season if their season ticket sales are correct. That's somewhat of a jump in so called reasoned discussion....who mentioned that club? Coady was never going to go there..... ... and thank goodness for the "big clubs" out there who are willing to pay £2 million for our third best midfielder
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 3, 2015 17:56:45 GMT 1
conor hourihane as a replacement for me another potential development player who we can stick in our first team and watch his value soar I was talking to my Barnsley supporting friend about him last night saying I'd never heard of him told him his name had been mentioned on our forum, sounds like a decent player! He's their club captain don't think it would be easy getting them to part with him!
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jul 3, 2015 17:59:08 GMT 1
if we just produce young players who we sell quickly just to remain mid to lower end of the championship, then thats probably where we will remain.. more likely to have one very off season where we drop badly into the relegation fight again than having the one season where it all goes well..remember we can sell at x mas as well as every summer so a really good start to a season will possibly just bring more pressure for us to let players go.. the secure future of the club under hoyle looks ok, the actual progress footballing/success wise is probably not so bright.. depends on your view of it really..as a town fan for all my life i will support the securing of the future but its unlikely to attract more bums on seats from the undecided or the potential support.. if you accept that mid table is as good as its likely to get then fine...for the foreseeable future anyway.. Coady wasn't going to put bums on seats though. Weve just had a sad drop in ST sales at a time when everyone presumed Coady would be here next season. Im struggling to see how selling Coady means we're accepting mid table as the limit of our ambitions! The club loses shed loads every year. To wheel and deal in players we can't just invent money and the fans aren't getting behind in big enough numbers to pay for it all. So we have to sell off a better player every now and then when we get a huge offer. Whats wrong with that? Im not sure what the club is supposed to do as an alternative? Keep Coady? make him stay? Not bring in the players Powell is hoping to get due to no funds but keep a disenfranchised lad who doesn't want to be here instead. Good way to start going backwards IMO SC sales to the 23 and under are made in the last week of preseason according to the club Coady transfer could have an effect on these sales
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 3, 2015 18:01:08 GMT 1
I always thought the best way to judge the relative size of a club is the income they are able to generate. Not for me. By that method Burnley or Leicester were a bigger club than both Celtic and rangers last season. Probably both added together in fact! To me its always about support really, though usually wealth goes hand in hand with that. I should have added irrespective of TV deals. Through the turnstiles and club shop etc.
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Post by townrwe on Jul 3, 2015 18:06:20 GMT 1
It was obviously written in jest..... jesus. Im still remembering the advertising boards saying "you buy the tickets and we will buy the players" should have been "you buy the tickets and we will buy sell the best players" Really don't know why there is so much condemnation on this board. It's the 3rd July not the 3rd August!!!!! Lot's of time to sign more players and do you not think Powell knows we need a CH? Finally, a bit sorry to see Conor go but hands up on this board who at the end of last season valued him at 2 million11-Certainly not me. Deano doesn't usually let us down. There must be plenty of scope to bring some players in considering the numbers that have left since January.... We have barely enough for 11 and a bench at the moment.... plus the 2 million from Coady. I wonder if we are about to break our transfer records this summer.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 3, 2015 18:09:35 GMT 1
Oh man .. have just left work to be confronted by 50 shades of guff on here..am currently hammering on the works door to see of they'll let me back in for the weekend
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Post by Pozza on Jul 3, 2015 18:14:06 GMT 1
Nobody can judge anything until replacements have been bought.
The money from thus sale will hopefully be used to strenghten 2/3 other areas.
This isn't the first time weve sold one of our better players, and it won't be the last.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 3, 2015 18:44:12 GMT 1
It's not bullshit. Don't know why this lad gets a tough rap on here from some posters to be honest. 93 posts, the most by some distance on the transfer thread shows that transfer speculation is his schtick and fine I don't have a problem with it but his posts on this thread 20 hours after the story broke smack of bullshit. Truth is the story broke around 5pm yesterday and his last post was 8 hours before it. And he turns up today claiming prior knowledge but didn't post due out of respect to who he heard it from and yet it hasn't ever stopped him before as he regularly posts things he's 'heard'. As I say IMO he hasn't helped himself here, I have defended him plenty of times in his previous spats with Epsom. Hey, keep my out of this. Nothing to do with me! Not my fault some posters on here are only now seeing through the flannel.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 18:52:51 GMT 1
Players come and go, it's the way it is and always has been. I can honestly say that the only time I've been pissed off about a transfer was Marcus Stewart. If a player does well for us then he's going to attract attention from bigger clubs, and let's be honest, Wolves are bigger than us. I'm sure we will bring in a replacement and who knows, he might be better than Coady.
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Post by specialone on Jul 3, 2015 18:54:28 GMT 1
Get used to it. This is our business model and with an astute leader like Dean Hoyle in charge it can and will work for Town. Get out of your heads the idea that footballers 'want' to play for Town. They are employees who will give 100% (or slightly less) to their employer because they want to get on and in that they're pretty much like any career focussed employee. Just because the average fan on here can't see where the replacement is, or when, doesn't mean we're doomed. Equally we shouldn't condemn Coady, or Clayton last year, for doing what any young man does who is wanting to make his mark in life. Last close season we didn't have any idea we would be signing Coady and I'm confident that Hoyle has his succession plan in place. In business you've got to trust people to deliver and Deano has improved this club year on year. Have faith!
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Post by Giggity on Jul 3, 2015 19:08:25 GMT 1
Never really liked scousers anyway. Fuck him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 20:07:36 GMT 1
whats that brick leeds let go austin doing? he could do a job for us.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 20:20:06 GMT 1
whats that brick leeds let go austin doing? he could do a job for us. Job on the reception door or as a steward?
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Post by WhiteyBFC on Jul 3, 2015 20:50:06 GMT 1
conor hourihane as a replacement for me another potential development player who we can stick in our first team and watch his value soar I was talking to my Barnsley supporting friend about him last night saying I'd never heard of him told him his name had been mentioned on our forum, sounds like a decent player! He's their club captain don't think it would be easy getting them to part with him! He's not our captain. He's our playmaker. Scored 14 goals in his debut season for us and created another 15. Wand of a left foot, probably the best set piece exponent (in terms of corners or crosses, not so much shooting) I've ever seen in my 27 years watching BFC. Very similar to Butterfield in being able to score from distance. But nowhere near the quality of him otherwise. He's quite weak, no right foot, can't tackle, fades in games. He's about as attacking a midfielder as you'll find, so if you lot were in for him, it wouldn't be to replace Coady. Obviously, I hope he sticks around. The player I've enjoyed watching the most since Butterfield. I made a video of Butterfield remember? Made one for Conor (Hourihane) too. Have a gander? Sup to thee. Not yer dad or owt. And all the best for the new season. Hope to get back up there ourselves as soon as possible.
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