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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 7:39:39 GMT 1
I left today thinking we will definitely miss the mobility and aerial strength of coady and gobern. I hope I'm wrong. I'd say we definitely need another central midfielder too. We won't get 30 games out of hogg. Butter field needs not to be flogged like last year. Whitehead I'd be trying to manage a bit. He looked leggy to say the least. Dempsey looks fit but is a young player and it's his first year at champs level. For me ok convinced we need another central midfielder esp as I suspect 3 out of the 4 will be selected with scannell given more license on one wing. Suppose it all depends how much faith Powell has in Billing and Trondatron
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Post by wtd on Jul 30, 2015 7:43:20 GMT 1
Glad we are now trying 4231, always thought that if Wells could adapt to being a lone striker it would be the formation that best suits us. Wells hasn't adapted to being a lone striker, though. I'd give Hiwula a go in that particular role before Wells... bigger, faster and looks to have a better first touch.
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Post by nicovaesen on Jul 30, 2015 8:06:44 GMT 1
Did Vaughan have anything to show?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 8:21:44 GMT 1
I was impressed with the defending from Deportivo.
Quickly established their shape once we had the ball near their box, and always had 3 men close to the town player in possession of the ball. Made it almost impossible for us to create any chances, despite the fact we got into some advanced positions.
They were a maungy bunch though weren't they.
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Post by captainblack on Jul 30, 2015 8:26:35 GMT 1
I hope Wallace finally steps up. He has shown in some games what he is capable of and I still have bright hopes for his future with us. Think some were very harsh on him last season I hope Smith finally steps up. He has shown in some games what he is capable of and I still have bright hopes for his future with us - but not in the right back position Think some were very harsh on him last season I have to agree with the statement about Smith . When he first broke into the team he was played at centre back and I thought he was very affective . I did not attend the game last night but it seems to me Smith is not suited to the right back position. Other posters may disagree but if I was Powell I would want to either buy or get another right back on loan. It seems as though Whitehead offers more cover to the centre backs and hopefully with the likes of Lynch , Hudson, Smith Wallace and Cranie you would hope that we could find a decent partnership at the centre of defence. We could possibly loan out one of the above defenders although that may be controversial .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 8:31:41 GMT 1
Gobern made the sum total of 12 appearances last season and that figure includes all those he made as a sub. It's funny how run-of-the-mill Championship players, suddenly appear much better once they don't play for us any more. Some of them are of course (Arfield). Yes but those last 10 games or so gobern was excellent in the left midfield of 3. Good solutions like that I would've thought would be worth holding onto. What is a run of the mill championship player? A guy who holds his own all year against top players then gets signed by an ambitious side going for promotion for ÂŁ2M? Based in last night my feelings were we'll miss their mobility. Plus we're back to 3 short arses in the midfield. Those that know me will know I'm always trying to be positive but I think midfield that was finally going places now has issues again.
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Post by calken on Jul 30, 2015 8:34:21 GMT 1
To put this game into perspective, the equivalent game last year was Newcastle United and it ended 2-2, scorers being Stead and Majewski.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jul 30, 2015 8:48:57 GMT 1
You mean stupid question... I will tell you what it is stupid. Having your team chase shadows for 90 minutes whilst being comprehensively outplayed, outpassed and outmanoeuvred. Not the best preparation for the season opener. It's a strange feeling agreeing with Giggity, but last night pretty much lined up with his view about being out passed and outmanoeuvred - long spells of largely ineffectual Spanish possession punctuated by the occasional ungainly surge forward by Town. It was pretty clear that CP used the game to look at the defensive frailties (quite rightly) and we looked pretty solid, all be it against a pretty lightweight attack. As said elsewhere, Davidson looks composed and one of the very few unfazed by the opposition - potential to be a big favourite. As is Dempsey - raw but exciting at times after a less than sparkling first half (on his Twitter he was self critical about his first half performance, which was pretty refreshing). It wasn't a great game to be up front with the emphasis on defensive shape, but Jordy showed a good turn of pace at times and could be a handful in better circumstances. Now to get the balance between solid defence while carrying threat - the players are there to do it, but it's not an easy thing to accomplish. Most worrying for me was Town's vulnerability from their own corners. It was worrying to see the shape disintegration (which also happened a couple of times when we over committed and lost the ball), but hardly anything new. While not subscribing to the hysteria over Hudson (who is generally much better away from home), Wallace and Lynch looked a much more assured partnership and Crainie could well push past Smith at right back. Boring as a spectacle but CP probably learned a few things about his defenders.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 30, 2015 10:27:29 GMT 1
I hope Wallace finally steps up. He has shown in some games what he is capable of and I still have bright hopes for his future with us. Think some were very harsh on him last season Good post and well said. Wallace was good at Rochdale when he came on and had a good game tonight. He looks stronger and more composed and I hope he can keep it up. Confidence is important and suporters can help with that. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I've seen Wallace have some excellent games away from home, but at home he's often been poor. I think he's got the makings of a very good centre half. It's encouraging to hear he had a good game last night, albeit only a friendly I know. Some say he's beefed up a bit, which is no bad thing. Maybe this season will be when he finally fulfills his promise. Hope so, as Hudson sounds a worry.
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Post by Amigo on Jul 30, 2015 10:47:26 GMT 1
It wasn't a great game at all and could've done with a goal in the first half hour or so to open it up a bit which would've suited us more than them I think.
We won't play another team like that this season. They had some good players that as you would expect were very comfortable with the ball and meant they could keep it for decent periods, unfortunately that meant that apart from Wells we dropped back. It's not a criticism it's just a natural thing to do when you're not used to playing that sort of side but we didn't threaten as much as we could have because of it.
In the main I thought we defended quite well but there were some dodgy moments from Hudson and Smith. I like Smith but he is showing more and more he isn't a full back and panicked a few times last night giving possession away easily. I don't actually blame him for hauling that fella down that had skinned him, if that was a league game I'd hope he'd do the same thing because there was no other way he was stopping him. I'm not a fan of Wallace to be honest but he played well, hopefully he can keep up that sort of performance level and maybe edge Hudson out. Davidson made a good start and looks a good signing.
Midfield was solid enough, Whitehead did ok I think his main role is going to be to protect the centre halves and with his experience I think he'll do a decent job there. He's not going to get up and down but if he sits and lets the likes of Dempsey, Hogg, Butterfield get on with playing their own games then he's doing his job. I actually didn't think Butterfield played that well, he didn't do much wrong but I didn't think he asserted himself on the game as well as he can but after last season my expectations of him have obviously risen. I thought Dempsey was our best player or at least our most promosing player. He looked nervous in the first half but I thought he really grew in to the game in the second half, he was always looking for the ball even if he'd just misplaced a pass, had a good engine and can beat a man. Played some good balls out wide as well and showed enough in my opinion that he can be a very good player. The worrying thing for me is that he seems to be on a different level to our younger players, what it could probably show is that it would be beneficial to get the likes of Tronstad, Billing and Charles etc out on loan preferably to League 1/League 2 but even the Conference which isn't far behind League 2 to get them a year of professional football. They would learn far more from that than playing under 21's.
Scannell worked hard and had a few decent runs but we didn't get him in the game as much as we normally would, probably due to us not having as much of the ball. Hiwula showed a couple of bright sparks but didn't really get in the game, I wouldn't be expecting him to start every week but for now I think he'll certainly be a very useful substitute. Wells worked hard as well and looked dangerous at times but was isolated due to Hiwula, Butterfield and Scannell dropping back more than usual with Deportivo having more possession.
Not a great game but not the worst. We looked solid against a good side and didn't let them run rings round us, we caused them a few problems but they were pretty solid without the ball as well and dropped back to blanket midfield when we had the ball at the back. I didn't go to Grimsby or Rochdale but it seems like they were more of a fitness exercise for the players and that last night and Saturday will be the 2 games where things come together. Barnsley on Saturday will be a more open game and I think that will help bring out the best in the likes of Dempsey, Butterfield, Scannell, Wells, Hiwula, Bunn, Lolley and Vaughan and will probably give us a better indication of who will start at Hull.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 10:58:09 GMT 1
Thought that their number 7 was excellent. Just googled him. Called Alex Corredera. Just left Barcelona Juvenil A to sign for La Coruña's B team.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 30, 2015 11:24:23 GMT 1
we didnt lose..they didnt have a meaningful attempt on target(offisde goal was well offside).. plusses on our last few performances..
will we fool anyone with continually using scannel as the out ball?
wells/new lad, too lightweight for me as centre forwards/central strikers..
Butterfield moved about but rarely got the ball in their half with any grass in front of him..
still persisting with going sideways/backwards after we have been closed down and we lose it in daft areas..
Barnsley might be a bit more competetive and we may see dempsey/whitehead coming to where the ball is rather than sitting off ...might then give us a chance to get the front lads away from further up the pitch..
Very dull for the most part last night other than a couple of histrionics from their keeper and a couple of their players. Vaughan managed to get elbowed in the face and stupidly foul a couple of their players in a very brief cameo...
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Post by royrace on Jul 30, 2015 11:38:26 GMT 1
Good post, agree with most of it, apart from whitehead, he was shocking kept giving the ball away, would rather hogg in that position Another Peltier situation in the making, Boro moved Whitehead to right back for a reason, be amazed if he holds down a central midfield position imo Hogg a better proposition there I thought Whitehead looked to be carrying a bit of timber and appeared fairly sluggish but looked to have a good head on his shoulders and played like a winner, a couple of well timed fouls in particular around our area, his experience could be a real asset IMO and I thought he helped out the defence no end.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 30, 2015 11:47:03 GMT 1
Haven't read the comments on here but my guess is the fans who spat their dummies out about our defence in the last few preseason friendlies have either not commented on the clean sheet or quoted as saying 'well it's only a friendly.' ??
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Post by wtd on Jul 30, 2015 12:04:46 GMT 1
It wasn't a great game at all and could've done with a goal in the first half hour or so to open it up a bit which would've suited us more than them I think. We won't play another team like that this season. They had some good players that as you would expect were very comfortable with the ball and meant they could keep it for decent periods, unfortunately that meant that apart from Wells we dropped back. It's not a criticism it's just a natural thing to do when you're not used to playing that sort of side but we didn't threaten as much as we could have because of it. In the main I thought we defended quite well but there were some dodgy moments from Hudson and Smith. I like Smith but he is showing more and more he isn't a full back and panicked a few times last night giving possession away easily. I don't actually blame him for hauling that fella down that had skinned him, if that was a league game I'd hope he'd do the same thing because there was no other way he was stopping him. I'm not a fan of Wallace to be honest but he played well, hopefully he can keep up that sort of performance level and maybe edge Hudson out. Davidson made a good start and looks a good signing. Midfield was solid enough, Whitehead did ok I think his main role is going to be to protect the centre halves and with his experience I think he'll do a decent job there. He's not going to get up and down but if he sits and lets the likes of Dempsey, Hogg, Butterfield get on with playing their own games then he's doing his job. I actually didn't think Butterfield played that well, he didn't do much wrong but I didn't think he asserted himself on the game as well as he can but after last season my expectations of him have obviously risen. I thought Dempsey was our best player or at least our most promosing player. He looked nervous in the first half but I thought he really grew in to the game in the second half, he was always looking for the ball even if he'd just misplaced a pass, had a good engine and can beat a man. Played some good balls out wide as well and showed enough in my opinion that he can be a very good player. The worrying thing for me is that he seems to be on a different level to our younger players, what it could probably show is that it would be beneficial to get the likes of Tronstad, Billing and Charles etc out on loan preferably to League 1/League 2 but even the Conference which isn't far behind League 2 to get them a year of professional football. They would learn far more from that than playing under 21's. Scannell worked hard and had a few decent runs but we didn't get him in the game as much as we normally would, probably due to us not having as much of the ball. Hiwula showed a couple of bright sparks but didn't really get in the game, I wouldn't be expecting him to start every week but for now I think he'll certainly be a very useful substitute. Wells worked hard as well and looked dangerous at times but was isolated due to Hiwula, Butterfield and Scannell dropping back more than usual with Deportivo having more possession. Not a great game but not the worst. We looked solid against a good side and didn't let them run rings round us, we caused them a few problems but they were pretty solid without the ball as well and dropped back to blanket midfield when we had the ball at the back. I didn't go to Grimsby or Rochdale but it seems like they were more of a fitness exercise for the players and that last night and Saturday will be the 2 games where things come together. Barnsley on Saturday will be a more open game and I think that will help bring out the best in the likes of Dempsey, Butterfield, Scannell, Wells, Hiwula, Bunn, Lolley and Vaughan and will probably give us a better indication of who will start at Hull. Excellent report. Bang on.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jul 30, 2015 12:43:53 GMT 1
Thought town were the better team on the night and the football from both teams was a pleasure to watch. Towns passing game especially in midfield seemed to work well , but what both teams lacked was an end product. Was very impressed with almost every member of the town squad, and nice to see strength in depth in a very well organised team. Got the train back to our board and lodgings in York after the match ,and maybe not the best of ideas to have a town shirt on when surrounded by around 800 Newcastle fans in York station. Good job their were loads of police were there to usher us both through.
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Post by explorer on Jul 30, 2015 14:22:32 GMT 1
I thought that their "first 11" were excellent. All fast, strong players and every one of them confident and comfortable with the ball. On a technicals level, it was like we were playing against a team of Butterfields!
Did well to keep them out, but as said didn't ever look like scoring ourselves. Good run out though, and we did look generally stronger and fitter all round than I expected.
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Post by captainblack on Jul 30, 2015 14:46:10 GMT 1
Thought town were the better team on the night and the football from both teams was a pleasure to watch. Towns passing game especially in midfield seemed to work well , but what both teams lacked was an end product. Was very impressed with almost every member of the town squad, and nice to see strength in depth in a very well organised team. Got the train back to our board and lodgings in York after the match ,and maybe not the best of ideas to have a town shirt on when surrounded by around 800 Newcastle fans in York station. Good job their were loads of police were there to usher us both through. Have a good weekend in York Sugy , I began supporting Town in 1975 so I may not know you as I believe you are a little older than myself . I do enjoy your posts and realise you are a Mirfield boy like myself . We did have a great following from Mirfield and we still do .I can tell by your posts you are a very loyal supporter and we probably know a few people in in common from around the Mirfield area. P.S I am sure being a Mirfield lad you could have duffed up 800 Newcastle fans
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 30, 2015 18:30:37 GMT 1
Playing a team who has good ball retention is a good way to work on the defensive shape of the team, not one for the spectator, but good preparation imo.
The game wasn't too pleasing on the eye, but preseason isn't really about entertainment.. I wouldn't pay to watch 40+ players taking to the field every week.. A one off to check on the new players, etc, I can deal with.
Roll on the new season!
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Post by wtd on Jul 30, 2015 18:43:06 GMT 1
I thought that their "first 11" were excellent. All fast, strong players and every one of them confident and comfortable with the ball. On a technicals level, it was like we were playing against a team of Butterfields! Did well to keep them out, but as said didn't ever look like scoring ourselves. Good run out though, and we did look generally stronger and fitter all round than I expected. Except for the fact that they were powder puff up front!
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Aug 1, 2015 21:48:59 GMT 1
Exciting pre season for deportivo. Just drew 0-0 with Swansea.
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Post by wtd on Aug 1, 2015 22:44:17 GMT 1
Exciting pre season for deportivo. Just drew 0-0 with Swansea. Bloody hell... Swansea's defence must be as crap as ours!
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Post by keithAM11532 on Aug 1, 2015 22:46:58 GMT 1
Exciting pre season for deportivo. Just drew 0-0 with Swansea. Bloody hell... Swansea's defence attack must be as crap as ours! edited for accuracy
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