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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 17, 2015 12:09:39 GMT 1
So you don't have to pay £30.50 to watch but choose to and can actually watch the game for £26.50 It's a lot but that's football in 2015 and I suspect that price sits favourably against cheapest tickets in the league
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 12:10:19 GMT 1
Lets have some solid facts from the last set of accounts. Anyone got the link?
Income, wages, costs, shortfall.
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Post by AndySk on Aug 17, 2015 12:13:55 GMT 1
Offer £2mill for him and Clibbins will shit his knickers and accept it. Quite why this man is having so much influence over things at Town is a mystery but a sign of the way things are going down there
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Post by rocky on Aug 17, 2015 12:17:04 GMT 1
He's covering losses of around £100,000 a week, which is hardly pulling the plug is it? He's consistently said he can't put any more money in. He's also commented in the past about how damaging all the negativity is. Have people listened to him? Have they fuck, the negativity has got far, far worse. He's done wonders for the club & is the sole reason we're in the Championship in the first place. The people of Huddersfield haven't backed him - simple as. As if that weren't enough, all most of them ever do is moan about everything that goes on at the club, a lot of them taking their bat & ball home & withdrawing their 'support'. If he does want out, little wonder! Rocky its about time you, Dean Hoyle, Nigel Clibbens and everybody else realised that this message board probably represents 3% of Huddersfield fans. I didn't even know it existed until a couple of years ago and I know loads of town fans who have never even read this forum. If Dean Hoyle is going to take his bat and ball home over the rantings of a few town fans then he needs to grow a pair. I'm eternally thankful for all he has done for the club and continues to do but my words he needs to accept that he cannot please all of the people all of the time. The negativity in the stands comes from the boring football on the pitch. Dish us out some excitement and watch the positivity return! Who said anything about this message board? I certainly didn't! I know lots & lots of Town fans. After every home game I have a few beers in town & believe you me, it's not just a 'few Town fans'. People are like sheep, going on & on about what is wrong at Town & never thinking for a moment about the strides forward we've made under Hoyle.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 12:22:43 GMT 1
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 17, 2015 12:23:11 GMT 1
Lets have some solid facts from the last set of accounts. Anyone got the link? Income, wages, costs, shortfall. Everyone knows the annual debts are multi million The accounts are audited Rather than try and do numbers on the back of a fag packet I think it's very safe to assume that a £12m wage isn't being covered by our gates and TV money!
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Post by townrwe on Aug 17, 2015 12:25:42 GMT 1
Lets have some solid facts from the last set of accounts. Anyone got the link? Income, wages, costs, shortfall. Everyone knows the annual debts are multi million The accounts are audited Rather than try and do numbers on the back of a fag packet I think it's very safe to assume that a £12m wage isn't being covered by our gates and TV money! I think its safe to say with the players we have left our wage bill is nowhere near 12 million........
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Post by ColchTerrier on Aug 17, 2015 12:27:02 GMT 1
I'd be genuinely gutted if Butterfield goes - however, if we could get Johnny Williams with the money that would defiantly soften the blow!
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Aug 17, 2015 12:39:09 GMT 1
They are all for sale...always were. The difference now is £2 million is not a lot of money unless you are skint! Not too long ago were were accepting £200k bids. The team has not been exactly brilliant with all these wanted and want-away "stars". Yes, its disappointing but Town will go on. Get the best price whilst teams are panicking. They are all replaceable, the guys in the wings are not considerably worse. Tronstad for Butts, Hammill/Charles for Scannell, Bojaj for Vaughan, Murphy for Smithies...it would be a relegation battle whatever/whoever.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 12:39:05 GMT 1
Interesting that Wolves fans are pleased with a home draw to Hull City and see it as a good result. A team that get crowds of 20,000 more or less every week, spend top dollar on recruitment and finished last season in eigth position. But when we lose away at Hull our supporters call it a disgrace and call for the manager to be sacked. I think we all need a dose of reality and adjust our expectations. Might have something to do with dominating the game and creating a load of chances. If they'd played 5 at the back and been scared to venture over halfway for 60 minutes then their fans might have been just as miffed as ours Hull have struggled against Accrington and Wolves. Losing 2-0 there was not the good result that our manager and some on here tried to claim it was.
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Post by ringdisco on Aug 17, 2015 12:41:47 GMT 1
They are all for sale...always were. The difference now is £2 million is not a lot of money unless you are skint! Not too long ago were were accepting £200k bids. The team has not been exactly brilliant with all these wanted and want-away "stars". Yes, its disappointing but Town will go on. Get the best price whilst teams are panicking. They are all replaceable, the guys in the wings are not considerably worse. Tronstad for Butts, Hammill/Charles for Scannell, Bojaj for Vaughan, Murphy for Smithies...it would be a relegation battle whatever/whoever. First of all; Dempsey for Butterfield, Lolley for Scannell, Hiwula for Vaughan, and well, we're fucked at the GK spot.
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Post by ritchie on Aug 17, 2015 12:41:58 GMT 1
They are all for sale...always were. The difference now is £2 million is not a lot of money unless you are skint! Not too long ago were were accepting £200k bids. The team has not been exactly brilliant with all these wanted and want-away "stars". Yes, its disappointing but Town will go on. Get the best price whilst teams are panicking. They are all replaceable, the guys in the wings are not considerably worse. Tronstad for Butts, Hammill/Charles for Scannell, Bojaj for Vaughan, Murphy for Smithies...it would be a relegation battle whatever/whoever. championship for league 1
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Post by 3Pipe on Aug 17, 2015 12:42:39 GMT 1
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Post by Skint Terriers on Aug 17, 2015 12:44:38 GMT 1
The only good thing about Butterfield leaving is we might see more of Dempsey and Lolley
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Aug 17, 2015 12:46:44 GMT 1
This is the same sort of response people had when we were selling Clayton, we ended up with Butterfield who was cheaper and even better (or at the very least a better fit for us).
Whilst I haven't been the most pleased with the way we've started the season or with how Powell's lined us up, there's no need to overreact at selling any of our players be it Smithies, Butterfield, or anyone else.
Personally I don't buy into this idea that we're preparing for league one or that Hoyle is going to sell up. Why would he want to drop back down to League 1 having spent so much to get into the Championship? And if he was wanting to sell wouldn't it be in his best interest to be selling a Championship club rather than a League 1 club?
Some reactions on here have been way over the top. It's not been the most entertaining of starts but I think we'll be fine this season even if Smithies and Butterfield go. What's annoying for me is that we don't seem to have the belief on the whole, as a club, that we should be pushing up and challenging higher this season and that's evident by how negative/defensive we are lining up against teams even those 2 leagues below us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 12:55:18 GMT 1
The companies house link doesn't work for me. I take it we'd have to pay for the full accounts? I'm interested to see where this £7M is being lost when sales (£10.7M) plus transfers (£1.35M) = £12.05M, almost covers the wages, if the estimate of £13.5M is correct. Where are we losing the extra £5.5M a year? What exactly does this sales figure include? Commercial activity? Sponsorship?
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Aug 17, 2015 12:57:05 GMT 1
I dont mind players leaving, its frustrating and disappointing but its part of the game. Some of the players i mentioned might be Div1 players but i feel that most of the 1st team now are anyway. If Miller is a championship striker then i am Rene Van De Kerkhoff.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 17, 2015 12:59:09 GMT 1
replacing clayton with butterfield, then replacing butterfield in such a short space of time??
team building?? tough one.. more like stop gaps and an ever decreasing outlay as each comes and goes..if we stay up it will be seen as 'working'.. can you really keep changing and chopping in shorter periods of time and ever get a team that is likely to make significant progress??
probability is not..
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Post by ruud1boy on Aug 17, 2015 13:01:28 GMT 1
Why don't we need to sell? We can't expect Hoyle to subsidise us forever and the Coady and Smithies transfer fees won't cover this years loses This is what happens when fans choose to stop paying - we have to good bye to our better players. Harsh financial reality time for some Those bragging about stopping going should think about that if/when we are back in League One I don't concur with this harsh financial reality bullcrap. Virtually every club in this division runs at a loss but somehow they manage to have aspirations far and above ours. Every chairman in this division subsidies their clubs to some extent so I know we are not the only ones. The problem is now that we have a chairman who is unwilling to do it. God only knows why he bust a gut and spent so much to finally get us here only to pull the plug. If we get relegated it will have all been for nothing because we have wound back right where we started. If there is anything in this notion that Hoyle is looking for the exit, then I can't see how anyone can criticise him. Maybe he expected that having spent all that he has done to get Town into the Championship, the potential pool of support from the 30-odd thousand that went to Old Trafford would support him and the club by buying season tickets. Obviously that hasn't happened and instead the level of support / ST holders has actually gone down. Lots of reasons for this, but no-one can accuse him of not doing his bit.
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Post by ruud1boy on Aug 17, 2015 13:03:48 GMT 1
The companies house link doesn't work for me. I take it we'd have to pay for the full accounts? I'm interested to see where this £7M is being lost when sales (£10.7M) plus transfers (£1.35M) = £12.05M, almost covers the wages, if the estimate of £13.5M is correct. Where are we losing the extra £5.5M a year? What exactly does this sales figure include? Commercial activity? Sponsorship? You'd need someone who was au fait with financial statements to answer these questions. Walter seems to know his stuff, but you could just ask Clibbens
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 17, 2015 13:04:31 GMT 1
Rocky its about time you, Dean Hoyle, Nigel Clibbens and everybody else realised that this message board probably represents 3% of Huddersfield fans. I didn't even know it existed until a couple of years ago and I know loads of town fans who have never even read this forum. If Dean Hoyle is going to take his bat and ball home over the rantings of a few town fans then he needs to grow a pair. I'm eternally thankful for all he has done for the club and continues to do but my words he needs to accept that he cannot please all of the people all of the time. The negativity in the stands comes from the boring football on the pitch. Dish us out some excitement and watch the positivity return! Who said anything about this message board? I certainly didn't! I know lots & lots of Town fans. After every home game I have a few beers in town & believe you me, it's not just a 'few Town fans'. People are like sheep, going on & on about what is wrong at Town & never thinking for a moment about the strides forward we've made under Hoyle. I don't know a single town fan who doesn't appreciate the giant strides forward under the stewardship of our chairman. Each and every town fan should thank their lucky stars that we are where we are, however, we can't keep looking backwards and dwelling on the past. Right now the future has a big question mark and that is where the doom mongering has come from.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 17, 2015 13:06:24 GMT 1
I dont mind players leaving, its frustrating and disappointing but its part of the game. Some of the players i mentioned might be Div1 players but i feel that most of the 1st team now are anyway. If Miller is a championship striker then i am Rene Van De Kerkhoff. He has had 38 Premiership appearances.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 13:10:39 GMT 1
It's just funny that we have a 4 page thread on the academy, that it should be shut down because players can't progress through to the first team, then a massive uproar when any players are sold.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 13:11:27 GMT 1
The companies house link doesn't work for me. I take it we'd have to pay for the full accounts? I'm interested to see where this £7M is being lost when sales (£10.7M) plus transfers (£1.35M) = £12.05M, almost covers the wages, if the estimate of £13.5M is correct. Where are we losing the extra £5.5M a year? What exactly does this sales figure include? Commercial activity? Sponsorship? I'm pretty sure total sales will include money received for transfers, gate receipts, TV money and commercial activity. We also spend the best part of £1m in fees for the ground, then if you add on transfer fees we spent for that period £3.6m (although it does say commitments, so not all would have been paid at the time), you get to around £7m. If you want a copy PM me your email address and I'll send you them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 13:18:20 GMT 1
The wage bill is astounding. £13.5M would pay 112 people over £10,000 a month each.
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Post by 3Pipe on Aug 17, 2015 13:26:31 GMT 1
If Miller is a championship striker then i am Rene Van De Kerkhoff. Can I be Johnny Rep?
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Post by upthetown on Aug 17, 2015 13:27:24 GMT 1
Whitey, according to his profile, is 30 years old and his interest is masturbation. So he's like a young Nick.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Aug 17, 2015 13:29:47 GMT 1
The wage bill is astounding. £13.5M would pay 112 people over £10,000 a month each. HTAFC do employ over 200 staff but i don't know what its breakdown of individual salaries are
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 13:32:11 GMT 1
The wage bill is astounding. £13.5M would pay 112 people over £10,000 a month each. Sure is and it's one of the smallest in the league. The club actually employ over 250 people, but that will include ticket office staff, club shop workers, academy coaches who will be on nowhere near that. That's why it is so daft to say, for example, Cranie, Whitehead and Davidson were only frees. In reality, between them they'll probably taking home over £1m from the club every year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 13:32:49 GMT 1
As far as I'm aware Powell said Dempsey was not Coadys replacement, so if we lose Butterfield as well where do we actually stand? I thought we'd be signing another centre mid not losing our best one and overall best player.
Say £1.75m for Smithies/£4m for Butterfield then surely we'd have to invest at least £2.5m of that back into a new CM, a RB and a CB? Providing Powell believes Murphy is good enough to start.
If we lose Butterfield I really would despair for our season. I want to be positive but I honestly can't think of 3 teams that would finish below us without Butterfield and Smithies.
On another side note... Surely if Derby don't go up they're going to be hit massively by FFP? They'll have surely spent close to £16/£17m this year?
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