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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 4, 2015 11:52:56 GMT 1
Being bloody minded I thought I’d do a bit of analysis of Miller’s wretchedness. So I’ve just watched the first half again. I counted that the ball was passed up to him or he got on the ball 28 times in the first half. Of these 19 touches were what you could call positive ie he did something good like won the ball in the air, passed to someone on our side, went on and had a shot – two weak efforts. The other nine were when he was either beaten in the air or the ball bounced off him. He didn’t actually misplace a pass. It was his nice pass that set up Carayol for the shot in the first few minutes. He committed 2 fouls that I could see. Not a bad half or contribution from him.
I'm reluctant to watch and analyse the second half :-)
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Oct 4, 2015 14:38:30 GMT 1
Being bloody minded I thought I’d do a bit of analysis of Miller’s wretchedness. So I’ve just watched the first half again. I counted that the ball was passed up to him or he got on the ball 28 times in the first half. Of these 19 touches were what you could call positive ie he did something good like won the ball in the air, passed to someone on our side, went on and had a shot – two weak efforts. The other nine were when he was either beaten in the air or the ball bounced off him. He didn’t actually misplace a pass. It was his nice pass that set up Carayol for the shot in the first few minutes. He committed 2 fouls that I could see. Not a bad half or contribution from him. I'm reluctant to watch and analyse the second half :-) I think it's fair to say he got worse in the second half but I wouldn't wish a second viewing of that half on anyone.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Oct 4, 2015 15:56:48 GMT 1
Town have a squad full of players that lack any kind consistency in their performances. Miller is no different especially as he has proven that he has the ability to do the job. You would have thought the individuals that Powell put out against Wolves had never played together before as a team. ,and it won't be long before they are back where they started unless some kind of form can be sustained . The main ambition for the club seems to be championship survival, but feel we have yet to see the best from the talent that lies in the squad .
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Oct 4, 2015 17:09:06 GMT 1
Town have a squad full of players that lack any kind consistency in their performances. Miller is no different especially as he has proven that he has the ability to do the job. You would have thought the individuals that Powell put out against Wolves had never played together before as a team. ,and it won't be long before they are back where they started unless some kind of form can be sustained . No he hasn't
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Oct 4, 2015 17:13:04 GMT 1
Town have a squad full of players that lack any kind consistency in their performances. Miller is no different especially as he has proven that he has the ability to do the job. You would have thought the individuals that Powell put out against Wolves had never played together before as a team. ,and it won't be long before they are back where they started unless some kind of form can be sustained . No he hasn't Miller recently had rave reviews against Charlton which mainly came from the opposition fans. He proved on that night that he has the ability to do the job, but consistency is another matter. It might be a good idea to look at some of the dire performances from other members of the team that played against Wolves..
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Oct 4, 2015 17:24:01 GMT 1
Miller at his absolute optimum (playing out of his skin - e.g. Charlton) can occupy defenders and make life difficult - no more. That probably looks like a handful to supporters of the opposition team. His normal game is poor, sluggish and quite comical. When he's below average, well lets not contemplate that. He shouldn't be a starter in any team in the Championship - if he is then that team is in trouble - okay as a squad player to come on and knock everyone about a bit - similar to Alan Lee.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Oct 4, 2015 17:35:51 GMT 1
Miller at his absolute optimum (playing out of his skin - e.g. Charlton) can occupy defenders and make life difficult - no more. That probably looks like a handful to supporters of the opposition team. His normal game is poor, sluggish and quite comical. When he's below average, well lets not contemplate that. He shouldn't be a starter in any team in the Championship - if he is then that team is in trouble - okay as a squad player to come on and knock everyone about a bit - similar to Alan Lee. Football is all about results ,and Miller played a vital part in securing three valuable points . So how many town players on that pitch against Wolves would you describe as " not being " poor , sluggish and quite comical.. ??
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 17:38:11 GMT 1
Not a reet striker, just a filler Oft fails to deliver. Balls to feet, he is a spiller Lead in his boots and no game killer. Soft fucking twat that Miller
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Oct 4, 2015 17:42:31 GMT 1
Not a reet striker, just a filler Oft fails to deliver. Balls to feet, he is a spiller Lead in his boots and no game killer. Soft fucking twat that Miller It says a lot when our "so called " best strikers are sat on the bench. You could be describing almost every town player on the pitch against Wolves.
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Oct 4, 2015 17:46:29 GMT 1
Miller at his absolute optimum (playing out of his skin - e.g. Charlton) can occupy defenders and make life difficult - no more. That probably looks like a handful to supporters of the opposition team. His normal game is poor, sluggish and quite comical. When he's below average, well lets not contemplate that. He shouldn't be a starter in any team in the Championship - if he is then that team is in trouble - okay as a squad player to come on and knock everyone about a bit - similar to Alan Lee. Football is all about results ,and Miller played a vital part in securing three valuable points . So how many town players on that pitch against Wolves would you describe as " not being " poor , sluggish and quite comical.. ?? Listen, I take your point - there were a few poor performers out there - but none as hopeless (barring Davidson on an off day) as Miller. He 'did a job' for a couple of games and that's an absolute bonus for someone of his ability - but now he'll be back to his usual level. You only have to watch him for 10 minutes to know - come on - he's awkward and cumbersome but not really any good at football.
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Post by yorkterrier on Oct 4, 2015 17:49:50 GMT 1
Miller has done a job for us at times, but he's obviously not the long-term answer. He's extremely limited technically, but I think he needs far more support. If we're going to play him - and perhaps his time is now over if Best signs - then he needs players around him to play off. Leave him isolated and he's a waste of a shirt. I don't subscribe to the view that he's the worst striker we've ever had - I've seen the likes of Jon Newby and Keigan Parker play for us - but he's not the sort of player we should be relying on. Hopefully we will get reinforcements in soon and we can sort out our obvious weaknesses up front. Huw's recent goal scoring run has masked the fact that we are woefully short in the striking department. Its a shame, because the rest of our play is generally alright. As I said in another post, if Afobe had been playing for us today it may well have been a different result. A valid point Andy, however neither Parker nor Newby were first on the team sheet every week regardless of their performance were they. I'll concede that he's comfortably embedded in the worst ever top 10 strikers to wear the blue and white stripes which is hardly something to applaud is it
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Oct 4, 2015 17:53:06 GMT 1
Football is all about results ,and Miller played a vital part in securing three valuable points . So how many town players on that pitch against Wolves would you describe as " not being " poor , sluggish and quite comical.. ?? Listen, I take your point - there were a few poor performers out there - but none as hopeless (barring Davidson on an off day) as Miller. He 'did a job' for a couple of games and that's an absolute bonus for someone of his ability - but now he'll be back to his usual level. You only have to watch him for 10 minutes to know - come on - he's awkward and cumbersome but not really any good at football. Seems every town player are as good as their last performance, and amazing how things can change in such a short period of time. We are talking about consistency here , and sadly it seems to be lacking in the squad. Ten championship games this season without a clean sheet is just one problem that needs to be sorted out .
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 4, 2015 17:56:44 GMT 1
Miller has done a job for us at times, but he's obviously not the long-term answer. He's extremely limited technically, but I think he needs far more support. If we're going to play him - and perhaps his time is now over if Best signs - then he needs players around him to play off. Leave him isolated and he's a waste of a shirt. I don't subscribe to the view that he's the worst striker we've ever had - I've seen the likes of Jon Newby and Keigan Parker play for us - but he's not the sort of player we should be relying on. Hopefully we will get reinforcements in soon and we can sort out our obvious weaknesses up front. Huw's recent goal scoring run has masked the fact that we are woefully short in the striking department. Its a shame, because the rest of our play is generally alright. As I said in another post, if Afobe had been playing for us today it may well have been a different result. A valid point Andy, however neither Parker nor Newby were first on the team sheet every week regardless of their performance were they. I'll concede that he's comfortably embedded in the worst ever top 10 strikers to wear the blue and white stripes which is hardly something to applaud is it So if you were manager you would have benched Miller for the Wolves game?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 4, 2015 18:00:55 GMT 1
" comfortably embedded in the worst ever top 10 strikers to wear the blue and white shirt " ... Hahahahahahhahahahaha .. ever ?
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Post by dalton knee-jerk on Oct 4, 2015 18:01:11 GMT 1
Not a reet striker, just a filler Oft fails to deliver. Balls to feet, he is a spiller Lead in his boots and no game killer. Soft fucking twat that Miller Fucking Hell, Keats will be turning in his grave
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Oct 4, 2015 18:23:33 GMT 1
Where are we going with this Miller thread if he plays a blinder in his next game. Like I said earlier, it seems ever town playeris as good as their last performance.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 18:33:23 GMT 1
Saw him play a whole game twice and thought he was crap twice. Definitely need someone who can bring others into play. He can't even bring himself into play.
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Post by York Terrier on Oct 4, 2015 19:11:12 GMT 1
" comfortably embedded in the worst ever top 10 strikers to wear the blue and white shirt " ... Hahahahahahhahahahaha .. ever ? Stunning comments again Ted,it's an opinion , look up the meaning of this strange word it may help you expand past the Haaaaaaaaaaaa level you appear to favour.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 4, 2015 19:14:25 GMT 1
" comfortably embedded in the worst ever top 10 strikers to wear the blue and white shirt " ... Hahahahahahhahahahaha .. ever ? Stunning comments again Ted,it's an opinion , look up the meaning of this strange word it may help you expand past the Haaaaaaaaaaaa level you appear to favour. So we haven't had ten worse strikers? Shall I name ten for you just to shut you up?
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Post by wigster on Oct 4, 2015 19:18:27 GMT 1
Being bloody minded I thought I’d do a bit of analysis of Miller’s wretchedness. So I’ve just watched the first half again. I counted that the ball was passed up to him or he got on the ball 28 times in the first half. Of these 19 touches were what you could call positive ie he did something good like won the ball in the air, passed to someone on our side, went on and had a shot – two weak efforts. The other nine were when he was either beaten in the air or the ball bounced off him. He didn’t actually misplace a pass. It was his nice pass that set up Carayol for the shot in the first few minutes. He committed 2 fouls that I could see. Not a bad half or contribution from him. I'm reluctant to watch and analyse the second half :-) Good lord, goodshot let's not get any facts or statistics into this. I'm not Miller's greatest fan - surely we've the money now to do much better - but he's nowhere near as bad as many are determined to make out. Like a poster has said he is inconsistent, but no more this season than Scannell,Bunn, Hogg, Davidson,smith, Wells, Lynch,Hudson and others this season and as far as I can see Carayol is actually inconsistent in each match (excellent for 15-20 minutes and then disappears). How on earth he's supposed to do well as a lone front man when invariably no Town player is ever within 20 yards of him, Bunn as ever having wandered off where he likes, I do not know.To be fair to him he keeps going for as long as most, and longer than many, in a match. A lot has been said about yesterday's inept and timid performance but anyone watching would not have thought that Wolves had had 3 matches in 9 days and we'd been resting - our fitness levels in terms of energy and stamina really are poor - most of the players who aren't blowing at 65 minutes are the ones that haven't had a pre-season with us or come from other teams eg Whitehead,Cranie etc
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 4, 2015 19:39:07 GMT 1
Miller recently had rave reviews against Charlton which mainly came from the opposition fans. He proved on that night that he has the ability to do the job, but consistency is another matter. It might be a good idea to look at some of the dire performances from other members of the team that played against Wolves.. He got rave reviews from their fans, most on here who went said he was as crap as normal. We then followed that up by playing Bolton with an awful pair of CB's Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 4, 2015 19:41:10 GMT 1
Stunning comments again Ted,it's an opinion , look up the meaning of this strange word it may help you expand past the Haaaaaaaaaaaa level you appear to favour. So we haven't had ten worse strikers? Shall I name ten for you just to shut you up? Go on then, he's Houdouto-esque in his shitness Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by thrice on Oct 4, 2015 19:53:07 GMT 1
He is a good option to have available but should be our 3rd or 4th striker.
The problem is we are seemingly hanging our hat on him (alone) this year.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 4, 2015 20:24:40 GMT 1
So we haven't had ten worse strikers? Shall I name ten for you just to shut you up? Go on then, he's Houdouto-esque in his shitness Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards Gimme a minute its six chair challenge night
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 4, 2015 21:12:32 GMT 1
Being bloody minded I thought I’d do a bit of analysis of Miller’s wretchedness. So I’ve just watched the first half again. I counted that the ball was passed up to him or he got on the ball 28 times in the first half. Of these 19 touches were what you could call positive ie he did something good like won the ball in the air, passed to someone on our side, went on and had a shot – two weak efforts. The other nine were when he was either beaten in the air or the ball bounced off him. He didn’t actually misplace a pass. It was his nice pass that set up Carayol for the shot in the first few minutes. He committed 2 fouls that I could see. Not a bad half or contribution from him. I'm reluctant to watch and analyse the second half :-) Good lord, goodshot let's not get any facts or statistics into this. I'm not Miller's greatest fan - surely we've the money now to do much better - but he's nowhere near as bad as many are determined to make out. Like a poster has said he is inconsistent, but no more this season than Scannell,Bunn, Hogg, Davidson,smith, Wells, Lynch,Hudson and others this season and as far as I can see Carayol is actually inconsistent in each match (excellent for 15-20 minutes and then disappears). How on earth he's supposed to do well as a lone front man when invariably no Town player is ever within 20 yards of him, Bunn as ever having wandered off where he likes, I do not know.To be fair to him he keeps going for as long as most, and longer than many, in a match. A lot has been said about yesterday's inept and timid performance but anyone watching would not have thought that Wolves had had 3 matches in 9 days and we'd been resting - our fitness levels in terms of energy and stamina really are poor - most of the players who aren't blowing at 65 minutes are the ones that haven't had a pre-season with us or come from other teams eg Whitehead,Cranie etc I don't think we lost yesterday through lack of fitness, although I agree with the general point that we are not the fittest. We were as good if not better than Wolves in the first half. Clearly weren't in the second and I've not seen any explanation of why. Wolves weren't very good.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 4, 2015 22:09:49 GMT 1
So we haven't had ten worse strikers? Shall I name ten for you just to shut you up? Go on then, he's Houdouto-esque in his shitness Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards ok from the top lucas akins lee Ashcroft terry Austin luke beckett danny carr mike cecere simon church terry eccles Nathan eccleston wayne goldthorpe roy greenwood chris hay gary haylock paul macari carl madrick peter Maguire john mcaliskey martin Paterson paul raynor Rodney rowe Robbie simpson kevin stonehouse craig whitington off the top of my head
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 22:17:38 GMT 1
Go on then, he's Houdouto-esque in his shitness Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards ok from the top lucas akins lee Ashcroft terry Austin luke beckett danny carr mike cecere simon church terry eccles Nathan eccleston wayne goldthorpe roy greenwood chris hay gary haylock paul macari carl madrick peter Maguire john mcaliskey martin Paterson paul raynor Rodney rowe Robbie simpson kevin stonehouse craig whitington off the top of my head ::) Off the top of my head you've missed: Jon Newby Kiegan Parker Alex Dyer Nat Brown Alan Lee Scott McDonald Fola Onibuje
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 4, 2015 22:19:30 GMT 1
I didn't want to hog em all
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 4, 2015 22:46:05 GMT 1
I bet most of them had a better record than Miller. Well done on the list though. Maggy never played as a striker for Town but there's quite a few on that list I'd take over Miller
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 4, 2015 22:48:49 GMT 1
ok from the top lucas akins lee Ashcroft terry Austin luke beckett danny carr mike cecere simon church terry eccles Nathan eccleston wayne goldthorpe roy greenwood chris hay gary haylock paul macari carl madrick peter Maguire john mcaliskey martin Paterson paul raynor Rodney rowe Robbie simpson kevin stonehouse craig whitington off the top of my head Off the top of my head you've missed: Jon Newby Kiegan Parker Alex Dyer Nat Brown Alan Lee Scott McDonald Fola Onibuje So he's better than an irish international (who granted, was shit when he played for us but still did a better job of knocking defenders about) and an Aussie international that's played and scored in the champions league Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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