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Oct 3, 2015 14:40:14 GMT 1
Post by rantinray on Oct 3, 2015 14:40:14 GMT 1
Wish I had stayed in bed. Feel really sorry for Philincalifornia. What a crap start to a very early day I'll live. We hammered them for the first 10 minutes Probably the worst individual performance I've ever seen from a Town player. As I said before, Whitehead immense in the loss. Worth getting up for. Problem is Phil the game lasts for 90mins. Dont know what we are going to do, anyone got any ideas?
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Oct 3, 2015 14:43:43 GMT 1
Post by waltzingthecowshed on Oct 3, 2015 14:43:43 GMT 1
Thanks for the random input but I think the discussion has run its course now. No problem Pipe. But we will see, eh? I'd imagine that discussions of Davidson's performance today will be rather frequent on the forum this evening. What I mean is, perhaps we as fans should be attempting to channel our criticisms in different ways. I know and accept that players will have bad days, and that isn't great - but they're bound to have less of those if we collectively get behind them. How ? by sympathising with a grown man and professional footballer earning top $ a week who has fallen short in what is expected from him?? They choose this profession and football's all about opinions, play like that dont expect not to be slagged off.
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Post by impact on Oct 3, 2015 14:45:16 GMT 1
JV IS FIT but theres no way back apparently, shame because if we keep putting in performances loike that the question as to be asked why we are paying thousands a week to a player we refuse to play Injured according to Clibbens. But then again this is a guy who thinks price has nothing to do with attendances.
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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 3, 2015 14:45:21 GMT 1
No problem Pipe. But we will see, eh? I'd imagine that discussions of Davidson's performance today will be rather frequent on the forum this evening. What I mean is, perhaps we as fans should be attempting to channel our criticisms in different ways. I know and accept that players will have bad days, and that isn't great - but they're bound to have less of those if we collectively get behind them. Match threads are a lot about venting frustration. It's like that on all football forums. A new day is always a fresh start for me, football or otherwise. Today was a real opportunity to go into the international break with something positive, even a point. As it is, I'm worried by that today, that was rank bad. Far too many players had absolute shockers. Can't be fatigue, they've just had 9 days off and now there's another break ahead.
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Oct 3, 2015 14:48:05 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 14:48:05 GMT 1
JV IS FIT but theres no way back apparently, shame because if we keep putting in performances loike that the question as to be asked why we are paying thousands a week to a player we refuse to play Injured according to Clibbens. But then again this is a guy who thinks price has nothing to do with attendances. When was he last not "injured"? Wasn't it shortly before Hoyle said he won't be getting a new contact and tried to loan him out?
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Oct 3, 2015 14:49:32 GMT 1
Post by waltzingthecowshed on Oct 3, 2015 14:49:32 GMT 1
Shockingly bad performance against what I thought was a very average wolves side. If we could string two passes together and shoot into the corners rather than straight at the keeper we might have a chance. Hope we can sign a striker soon. If we don't we could be down by March talk of relegation a bit of an over-reaction imo, but lets be clear we need 1 or 2 quality strikers(this should ave been done pre-season cos who of quality will be available on loan or in Jan?) in or a kiss and make up with JV
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Oct 3, 2015 14:50:00 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 14:50:00 GMT 1
Hes not an alternative to Scannel though imo Powell won't trust Lolley playing on the wing because of what he offers defensively, i think his only chance would be to play in a similar role to that of Bunn today. We loaned Paterson who arguably has played his best football on the right wing although Iam aware that you read on some stats site that his main position in central. What does Carayol offer defensively? Nothing
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Post by specialun on Oct 3, 2015 14:50:02 GMT 1
JV IS FIT but theres no way back apparently, shame because if we keep putting in performances loike that the question as to be asked why we are paying thousands a week to a player we refuse to play Injured according to Clibbens. But then again this is a guy who thinks price has nothing to do with attendances. Ahh Clibbens, clearly not out of his depth at all - not at all ....
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Oct 3, 2015 14:52:18 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 14:52:18 GMT 1
No problem Pipe. But we will see, eh? I'd imagine that discussions of Davidson's performance today will be rather frequent on the forum this evening. What I mean is, perhaps we as fans should be attempting to channel our criticisms in different ways. I know and accept that players will have bad days, and that isn't great - but they're bound to have less of those if we collectively get behind them. Match threads are a lot about venting frustration. It's like that on all football forums. A new day is always a fresh start for me, football or otherwise. Today was a real opportunity to go into the international break with something positive, even a point. As it is, I'm worried by that today, that was rank bad. Far too many players had absolute shockers. Can't be fatigue, they've just had 9 days off and now there's another break ahead. No complaints today ok first half but lackof support for miller was a factor and got away from what should have been a red card and pen but it will be like this all season win some lose some and draw some but enough i feel to keep us up but as usuall the moaners go into overdrive when we lose but thats town for you. ps we have done well overall in at least 7 games but well beaten today
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Oct 3, 2015 14:52:32 GMT 1
Post by Henry Mcgee on Oct 3, 2015 14:52:32 GMT 1
Well at least the early kick off means we can spend the afternoon down the boozer ... what luv? - okay, I'll get the bags - yes, Asda should be really quiet this aft.
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Oct 3, 2015 14:53:21 GMT 1
Post by portugalterrier on Oct 3, 2015 14:53:21 GMT 1
Davison,Huws,Scannell,Bunn,Miller,Caryol. 6players who didn't look interested / not good enough. Perhaps it's just a bad day at the office,hope so.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Oct 3, 2015 14:55:53 GMT 1
Wanting better from your team is moaning?, happy clapping Huddersfield, too many accept failure but hey u can all get behind your tv prem team in the search for some glory in your lives
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 3, 2015 14:55:52 GMT 1
It was scannell who needed to be subbed out of the 2 wide men IMO. Hes really bang off form now. Last few games hes looked like the player we had for his first couple of seasons here again. Thought we started really well and were playing plenty of neat crisp football but needed to take one of the chances when we were on top. 2nd half was awful though. Worst weve played all season and we got what we deserved in the end. Thought Miller was pathetic. Weak, whinging, inept and davidsons had a mare- stood out as a weak link they should be attacking. But in general i don't think we had a single player who performed to anything like their true level after half time. Fair summary. It's a big problem when you play two wingers and neither of them get in the game in the second half. They were walking though us down our left side. Davidson and Carayol were not at the races in the second half either going forwards or defending. They played well in the second half after an even first half .... but we made it easy for them.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 3, 2015 14:56:50 GMT 1
Shockingly bad performance against what I thought was a very average wolves side. If we could string two passes together and shoot into the corners rather than straight at the keeper we might have a chance. Hope we can sign a striker soon. If we don't we could be down by March talk of relegation a bit of an over-reaction imo, but lets be clear we need 1 or 2 quality strikers(this should ave been done pre-season cos who of quality will be available on loan or in Jan?) in or a kiss and make up with JV Classic DATM though. After the Charlton, Bolton and Forest games, we're a decent side heading for a very comfortable finish and who knows, maybe a little better than that. Then we lose a game and we might be down by march.
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Post by Der Blitzbomber on Oct 3, 2015 14:58:44 GMT 1
It was fairly obvious within a couple of weeks after we signed him that Wells can't play as a lone striker as he needs a big man alongside. The same goes for Miller, because he is the big man but can't finish. Funny how Wells coming on coincided with the complete abandonment of any attempt to get upfield though. We were a tad unlucky to be behind at half time but by the final whistle it could have been 6-0... and we'd have been lucky to get 0!
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Post by CaptainHart on Oct 3, 2015 14:58:57 GMT 1
The reason we were well beaten is because we were awful. Wolves never needed to get out of second gear, we were stuck in reverse. Unacceptable performance.
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Oct 3, 2015 15:01:35 GMT 1
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Post by specialun on Oct 3, 2015 15:01:35 GMT 1
talk of relegation a bit of an over-reaction imo, but lets be clear we need 1 or 2 quality strikers(this should ave been done pre-season cos who of quality will be available on loan or in Jan?) in or a kiss and make up with JV Classic DATM though. After the Charlton, Bolton and Forest games, we're a decent side heading for a very comfortable finish and who knows, maybe a little better than that. Then we lose a game and we might be down by march. I'll be clear - we're in for a long season (not down by march - crikey!!). 2 wins (one excellent half) do not hide the cracks of the team / manager, 5 wins in 27 doesn't lie / 2 in 11 this season if you prefer!
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Oct 3, 2015 15:05:09 GMT 1
Post by rocky on Oct 3, 2015 15:05:09 GMT 1
Jesus, we were shit after the first 20 minutes. Bright start & didn't make the most of some good positions, but never looked like getting back into it after Wolves scored out of more or less nothing. Lots of players had off days, but what on earth has happened to those surging runs by Scannell?
Far too powder puff up front. Miller never looks like scoring. Can't keep relying on goals from midfield as today showed. Unless we can find a way to get more goals from the strikers, there's no chance of moving away from the relegation area. 3 goals in 10 games from the strikers all season & 2 of them from a player who isn't even starting at the moment!
Frustrating really, cos I think we can pass it around pretty well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 15:09:50 GMT 1
Wanting better from your team is moaning?, happy clapping Huddersfield, too many accept failure but hey u can all get behind your tv prem team in the search for some glory in your lives I think the way you express your frustration is extremely counterproductive and archaic. By all means vent, but try and back your argument with something more critically productive. Thinking rationally is not happy clapping. It can result in both positive and negative arguments - but more often positive. More importantly it considers circumstance, and rational arguments are usually justified. Happy clapping is blind faith and an ignorance of circumstance - its binary are those 'knee-jerk reactions'. They're both unjustified. Don't get em confused!
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Post by hypotenuse on Oct 3, 2015 15:13:03 GMT 1
Just on way back on train. Was sat in Wolves end as had free tickets. Wolves fans impressed with us in first half and not impressed with their own team. We went with great attacking intent and clearly believed we could win. Really good performance first half and hard to believe we were behind. Sadly, despite excellent possession and chances, no goals. Second half they pressed more and I felt we needed all 3 subs to steady the ship and keep our shape. Generally we have a decent side but I have grave worries about Davidson and Miller. Players who really impressed me were Crainie and Whitehead. Don't lose heart - we are the most composed and best passing side the club has had this century. We are 2 players shy of a very decent team
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Oct 3, 2015 15:15:41 GMT 1
Post by waltzingthecowshed on Oct 3, 2015 15:15:41 GMT 1
Wanting better from your team is moaning?, happy clapping Huddersfield, too many accept failure but hey u can all get behind your tv prem team in the search for some glory in your lives I think the way you express your frustration is extremely counterproductive and archaic. By all means vent, but try and back your argument with something more critically productive. Thinking rationally is not happy clapping. It can result in both positive and negative arguments - but more often positive. More importantly it considers circumstance, and rational arguments are usually justified. Happy clapping is blind faith and an ignorance of circumstance - its binary are those 'knee-jerk reactions'. They're both unjustified. Don't get em confused! Are you a school teacher? patronising at its best
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Oct 3, 2015 15:19:21 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 15:19:21 GMT 1
I think the way you express your frustration is extremely counterproductive and archaic. By all means vent, but try and back your argument with something more critically productive. Thinking rationally is not happy clapping. It can result in both positive and negative arguments - but more often positive. More importantly it considers circumstance, and rational arguments are usually justified. Happy clapping is blind faith and an ignorance of circumstance - its binary are those 'knee-jerk reactions'. They're both unjustified. Don't get em confused! Are you a school teacher? patronising at its best I'm not - depends where you put the stress...
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Oct 3, 2015 15:20:06 GMT 1
Post by waltzingthecowshed on Oct 3, 2015 15:20:06 GMT 1
Just on way back on train. Was sat in Wolves end as had free tickets. Wolves fans impressed with us in first half and not impressed with their own team. We went with great attacking intent and clearly believed we could win. Really good performance first half and hard to believe we were behind. Sadly, despite excellent possession and chances, no goals. Second half they pressed more and I felt we needed all 3 subs to steady the ship and keep our shape. Generally we have a decent side but I have grave worries about Davidson and Miller. Players who really impressed me were Crainie and Whitehead. Don't lose heart - we are the most composed and best passing side the club has had this century. We are 2 players shy of a very decent teamDisagree our final ball is pathetic, no good in keeping possession if you don't do it progressively that was the Robins' way....we work it into the final third lose composure and hey presto the move breaks down. Id say we are more like 3 to 4 players short of a good side
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 3, 2015 15:20:39 GMT 1
Just on way back on train. Was sat in Wolves end as had free tickets. Wolves fans impressed with us in first half and not impressed with their own team. We went with great attacking intent and clearly believed we could win. Really good performance first half and hard to believe we were behind. Sadly, despite excellent possession and chances, no goals. Second half they pressed more and I felt we needed all 3 subs to steady the ship and keep our shape. Generally we have a decent side but I have grave worries about Davidson and Miller. Players who really impressed me were Crainie and Whitehead. Don't lose heart - we are the most composed and best passing side the club has had this century. We are 2 players shy of a very decent team Agree 100%. We all know we're lacking up front. the fans know it, the managers must know it, Hoyle must know it. Solving it is easier said than done unless you suddenly find a shed load of money to throw at the problem. They had Afobe today- a player valued at around £12m . If we had him, we might be genuine play off contenders.. but we don't. We have Miller- a big lump who doesn't look like scoring..and Wells, a lightweight who doesn't look like scoring.
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Post by detox on Oct 3, 2015 15:34:02 GMT 1
it's classic Town though in recent years, just when you think we're turning the corner,we capitulate like that. After 20 minutes we were the only team in it..58% possession, 4 shots to their nil... cruising...then they score with their first shot after 22 mins ..and we just disintegrated...we stopped chasing, closing down, took 2-3 touches instead of first time passing...I thought if we can hang on 'til half time at 0-1...but no, the 2nd half we were worse...I just thought we were trying to hang on 'til 80 minutes at 0-1 and would then go for it..I just don't understand how we can collapse like we did today, after such a bright start. It feels like another false dawn at Town now...Wolves weren't up to much..had better strikers than us (not dificult)but otherwise nowt much. very worrying we don't seem to have any bottle or character.
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Oct 3, 2015 15:35:31 GMT 1
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Post by dirtysteve on Oct 3, 2015 15:35:31 GMT 1
Town good in possession, pass it around nicely at times. Don't commit enough men forward when in opponents half. Crying out for 2 quality strikers, but ain't gonna happen. Any team with pace in their attack will always score goals against a Town defence. Poor result and to be frank Powells recent wins have saved him from poor squad selection. Miller is useless up top alone, he's like a stoned sloth pulling an atlas stone behind him. Need some pacey strikers to work alongside our wingers and were sorted IMO.
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Oct 3, 2015 15:36:44 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 15:36:44 GMT 1
Jesus, we were shit after the first 20 minutes. Bright start & didn't make the most of some good positions, but never looked like getting back into it after Wolves scored out of more or less nothing. Lots of players had off days, but what on earth has happened to those surging runs by Scannell? Far too powder puff up front. Miller never looks like scoring. Can't keep relying on goals from midfield as today showed. Unless we can find a way to get more goals from the strikers, there's no chance of moving away from the relegation area. 3 goals in 10 games from the strikers all season & 2 of them from a player who isn't even starting at the moment! Frustrating really, cos I think we can pass it around pretty well. we do pass the ball pretty well but its in the last third that we have to be better felt sorry for miller the seccond goal there was no support for him and they broke on us and scored but we will recover
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Oct 3, 2015 15:57:53 GMT 1
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Post by hypotenuse on Oct 3, 2015 15:57:53 GMT 1
Just on way back on train. Was sat in Wolves end as had free tickets. Wolves fans impressed with us in first half and not impressed with their own team. We went with great attacking intent and clearly believed we could win. Really good performance first half and hard to believe we were behind. Sadly, despite excellent possession and chances, no goals. Second half they pressed more and I felt we needed all 3 subs to steady the ship and keep our shape. Generally we have a decent side but I have grave worries about Davidson and Miller. Players who really impressed me were Crainie and Whitehead. Don't lose heart - we are the most composed and best passing side the club has had this century. We are 2 players shy of a very decent team Agree 100%. We all know we're lacking up front. the fans know it, the managers must know it, Hoyle must know it. Solving it is easier said than done unless you suddenly find a shed load of money to throw at the problem. They had Afobe today- a player valued at around £12m . If we had him, we might be genuine play off contenders.. but we don't. We have Miller- a big lump who doesn't look like scoring..and Wells, a lightweight who doesn't look like scoring. Spot on - I said to my son in the way back 'imagine if you swapped Miller with Afobe'. I reckon we would have the better side. Another thing I forgot to say about today is that the refereeing performance was one of the best I have witnessed at this level- not sure who he was but his decisions were absolutely spot on from my viewpoint
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Post by ranter73 on Oct 3, 2015 16:00:48 GMT 1
Thought Huws made 2 bad decisions today - why didn't he bring the ball down in midfield before their goal rather than heading it up in the air to nobody and his decision to shoot in the 1st half when Bunn and Miller unmarked in the box. I know he scores goals but he doesn't do much else for me. I would have taken him off earlier than he was, with Carayol who after 2-3 attempts at taking on a young kid then gives up and I thought Davidson was terrible today as well.
I like Miller for what he normally does but not a good game today at all, thought only Whitehead, Cranie and Lynch came out with any credit. Need to rethink upfront although don't see Best as a solution and would welcome back JV if he's up for it.
Bad performance for me today but will be going to Ipswich with hope. UTT
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Oct 3, 2015 16:08:35 GMT 1
Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 3, 2015 16:08:35 GMT 1
It was fairly obvious within a couple of weeks after we signed him that Wells can't play as a lone striker as he needs a big man alongside. The same goes for Miller, because he is the big man but can't finish. Funny how Wells coming on coincided with the complete abandonment of any attempt to get upfield though. We were a tad unlucky to be behind at half time but by the final whistle it could have been 6-0... and we'd have been lucky to get 0! Huge gap opened up in the second half between midfield and attack. Bunn had been dropping off and filling it but once he moved out wide just made our problems worse.
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