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Oct 3, 2015 16:09:31 GMT 1
Post by Captainslapper on Oct 3, 2015 16:09:31 GMT 1
Agree 100%. We all know we're lacking up front. the fans know it, the managers must know it, Hoyle must know it. Solving it is easier said than done unless you suddenly find a shed load of money to throw at the problem. They had Afobe today- a player valued at around £12m . If we had him, we might be genuine play off contenders.. but we don't. We have Miller- a big lump who doesn't look like scoring..and Wells, a lightweight who doesn't look like scoring. Spot on - I said to my son in the way back 'imagine if you swapped Miller with Afobe'. I reckon we would have the better side. Another thing I forgot to say about today is that the refereeing performance was one of the best I have witnessed at this level- not sure who he was but his decisions were absolutely spot on from my viewpoint Brilliant decision for the non penalty. When it happened i said out loud- shit , thats a pen! And even our keeper thought it was and hed be off. But barely any contact and was a clear dive IMO and ref got it spot on. No idea what Le Fondre was thinking really cos he could so easily have stepped past the keeper and rolled it into an empty net.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 16:12:08 GMT 1
Spot on - I said to my son in the way back 'imagine if you swapped Miller with Afobe'. I reckon we would have the better side. Another thing I forgot to say about today is that the refereeing performance was one of the best I have witnessed at this level- not sure who he was but his decisions were absolutely spot on from my viewpoint Brilliant decision for the non penalty. When it happened i said out loud- shit , thats a pen! And even our keeper thought it was and hed be off. But barely any contact and was a clear dive IMO and ref got it spot on. No idea what Le Fondre was thinking really cos he could so easily have stepped past the keeper and rolled it into an empty net. Terrible decision by Le Fondre. Had he stayed on his feet, he'd have scored. Just shows the mentality of the modern day player who cheating comes before the instinct and desire to score a goal.
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Post by hypotenuse on Oct 3, 2015 16:15:12 GMT 1
Had a great view from where I was sat and said (quietly given my position) straight away it was a dive - never thought ref would see it like that. Made me think - should a dive like that be a red card because if the ref calls that the other way Steer is off.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 16:15:22 GMT 1
Disagree. If there was any contact at all its a pen and there was some followed by a dive.
Even though there was a dive it was still a pen.
I have only seen Miller play two full games being based abroad but he was bad both times. He's there to hold the ball up and he is poor at it
I don't know what the answer is. Hopefully we can do ok until January and then remedy it.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 3, 2015 16:22:44 GMT 1
Disagree. If there was any contact at all its a pen and there was some followed by a dive. Even though there was a dive it was still a pen. I have only seen Miller play two full games being based abroad but he was bad both times. He's there to hold the ball up and he is poor at it I don't know what the answer is. Hopefully we can do ok until January and then remedy it. Why is it a pen if there is any contact at all? If there is any contact at all between 2 players anywhere else on the pitch, does that mean its a free kick? And what about if Le Fondre does what he did in that instance- deliberately leave his leg dangling behind him so the keeper will touch it? Nah, ref got it spot on IMO, though id imagine most refs would have given it.
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Post by buckers on Oct 3, 2015 16:53:35 GMT 1
Disagree. If there was any contact at all its a pen and there was some followed by a dive. Even though there was a dive it was still a pen. I have only seen Miller play two full games being based abroad but he was bad both times. He's there to hold the ball up and he is poor at it I don't know what the answer is. Hopefully we can do ok until January and then remedy it. Why is it a pen if there is any contact at all? If there is any contact at all between 2 players anywhere else on the pitch, does that mean its a free kick? And what about if Le Fondre does what he did in that instance- deliberately leave his leg dangling behind him so the keeper will touch it? Nah, ref got it spot on IMO, though id imagine most refs would have given it. Slaps has it spot on here. It's been going on for the years this now. The attacker waits for the keeper to commit knocks the ball past them, then leaves his leg behind to let the keeper catch it and throw himself on the floor. To be honest it's probably has happened long before him, but the first player I noticed doing this regularly was Chirstano Ronaldo at United 8 years ago.
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Oct 3, 2015 16:54:14 GMT 1
Post by canterburyterrier on Oct 3, 2015 16:54:14 GMT 1
Wanting better from your team is moaning?, happy clapping Huddersfield, too many accept failure but hey u can all get behind your tv prem team in the search for some glory in your lives
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Post by amoeba on Oct 3, 2015 17:05:14 GMT 1
Disagree. If there was any contact at all its a pen and there was some followed by a dive. Even though there was a dive it was still a pen. I have only seen Miller play two full games being based abroad but he was bad both times. He's there to hold the ball up and he is poor at it I don't know what the answer is. Hopefully we can do ok until January and then remedy it. Why is it a pen if there is any contact at all? If there is any contact at all between 2 players anywhere else on the pitch, does that mean its a free kick? And what about if Le Fondre does what he did in that instance- deliberately leave his leg dangling behind him so the keeper will touch it? Nah, ref got it spot on IMO, though id imagine most refs would have given it. I thought it was a correct but brave decision by the ref.forward knocks it too far past keeper for him to control and then jumps when keeper comes in.I'd be peeved if it was against me but it's about time strikers took some contact if they want a penalty cos there's too much diving in the game. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using proboards
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Oct 3, 2015 17:13:17 GMT 1
Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 3, 2015 17:13:17 GMT 1
Well, that was bloody awful....so off the pace. At times i thought my TV screen in Iceland had frozen! So slow to the ball and to press. Ward was useless, Miller doubly useless. Whitehead runs around like a Jack Russell on amphetamines and cant even pass to a team-mate 10 yards away. Terrible. Davidson (who i have praised) got absolutely everything wrong...it was embarrassing to watch. Cringeworthy. Got slated a few times on here recently for criticising the team by folk who say we are at our best level in 15 years and we look good. Let me let you all in on a little secret...i cannot think of a single top performance since we got promoted and the promotion team would beat this lot 5-0 every week. Pitiful performance.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 3, 2015 17:23:10 GMT 1
Ill let you into a secret Oti- you know fuck all about football mate if you think the current team wouldn't piss all over our promotion side.
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Oct 3, 2015 17:25:44 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 17:25:44 GMT 1
Might the Bolton result prove to be the high point of our season? And so early......
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Oct 3, 2015 17:27:28 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 17:27:28 GMT 1
I don't have time or the inclination to go back and watch it frame by frame, but to me if the striker gets the ball past the keeper and the keeper makes contact with the striker without touching the ball its a penalty. Only other thing I would say about the penalty incident is that if that was the other way around we would ALL be up in arms that it was not given.
No doubt it was brave by the ref as he clearly thought it was just a dive but I still think it was the wrong one. Other than that I think the ref had a good game and I can't really blame him for thinking it was a dive because it clearly was.
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Post by rocky on Oct 3, 2015 17:41:54 GMT 1
I don't have time or the inclination to go back and watch it frame by frame, but to me if the striker gets the ball past the keeper and the keeper makes contact with the striker without touching the ball its a penalty. Only other thing I would say about the penalty incident is that if that was the other way around we would ALL be up in arms that it was not given. No doubt it was brave by the ref as he clearly thought it was just a dive but I still think it was the wrong one. Other than that I think the ref had a good game and I can't really blame him for thinking it was a dive because it clearly was. Someone summed it up perfectly earlier when they said it was typical of the modern player mentality. Too busy trying to cheat by looking for it, instead of hopping over Steer's leg & just passing it into an empty net. Fuck him, he deserved what he got.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 18:46:18 GMT 1
I don't have time or the inclination to go back and watch it frame by frame, but to me if the striker gets the ball past the keeper and the keeper makes contact with the striker without touching the ball its a penalty. Only other thing I would say about the penalty incident is that if that was the other way around we would ALL be up in arms that it was not given. No doubt it was brave by the ref as he clearly thought it was just a dive but I still think it was the wrong one. Other than that I think the ref had a good game and I can't really blame him for thinking it was a dive because it clearly was. So it was a dive but the referee got it wrong? What you are saying is he had a right to go down? Sums up everything that's wrong with the 'game' It's called cheating in a contact sport. Well done referee, one in the eye for certain pundits that have been pushing for a 'contactless sport'.
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 3, 2015 18:47:21 GMT 1
It was a dive, ref got it right, end of.
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Oct 3, 2015 18:49:50 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 18:49:50 GMT 1
Ill let you into a secret Oti- you know fuck all about football mate if you think the current team wouldn't piss all over our promotion side. bloody hell oti you really take the biscuit a hobnob with the hob taken away!
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Oct 3, 2015 18:57:29 GMT 1
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Post by hypotenuse on Oct 3, 2015 18:57:29 GMT 1
Proud - if you seriously think the promotion side would beat today's team, you need to quit watching the Icelandic 3rd division (sub Arctic South) and get back to the real world
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Oct 3, 2015 18:58:05 GMT 1
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Post by hypotenuse on Oct 3, 2015 18:58:05 GMT 1
Sorry that said proud - my auto correct for Otium
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Oct 3, 2015 18:58:47 GMT 1
Post by davidpgowinghtafc on Oct 3, 2015 18:58:47 GMT 1
Looking at in slow motion (which the referee cannot) I thought the Wolves player was merely trying to avoid contact with Steer and as is usual in such circumstances he fell over.
Be that as it may the Town players are basically useless. There is far too much 'Hoof ball'and the defence is lousy. Town looked good when the players passed it on the ground but this is becoming far from usual now.
Just about on par with last season; Last 11 points 18th place; This 10 points 17th place.
It looks like a long hard winter ahead.
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Oct 3, 2015 19:08:17 GMT 1
Post by ACW on Oct 3, 2015 19:08:17 GMT 1
Thought Huws made 2 bad decisions today - why didn't he bring the ball down in midfield before their goal rather than heading it up in the air to nobody and his decision to shoot in the 1st half when Bunn and Miller unmarked in the box. I know he scores goals but he doesn't do much else for me. I would have taken him off earlier than he was, with Carayol who after 2-3 attempts at taking on a young kid then gives up and I thought Davidson was terrible today as well. I like Miller for what he normally does but not a good game today at all, thought only Whitehead, Cranie and Lynch came out with any credit. Need to rethink upfront although don't see Best as a solution and would welcome back JV if he's up for it. Bad performance for me today but will be going to Ipswich with hope. UTT Huws had a mixed game today. As you say, his decision making - particularly when he chose to shoot in the first half with two players free - was poor at times, but he also played a few nice passes out to the wings. He gives us a more attacking dimension than the Whitehead/Hogg combination and is well worth his place in the team at the moment. I was also disappointed Carayol lost his attacking impetus after his early burst, but I think he may be that sort of player. Frustrating, but capable of winning us the game with moments of magic. I also thought Davidson had a poor game, but he's been generally ok since he came to us. Miller did ok, but we all know he is limited. He does what he does, and his hold up play is generally good, but his finishing is poor and he needs more support. Get players around him more often and I think he becomes far more effective. He'll never score many, but he can bring others into play if given the chance. I don't think it was a bad performance today. In the first half it was a decent away performance: we kept the opposition pretty quiet and created 2 or 3 very good chances ourselves. Our passing was pretty good in the middle of the park too. Unfortunately Wolves scored with their only decent effort of the half and they upped their game in the second. Granted, Town didn't play as well in the second half, but I've seen far worse. Our lack of quality up front was cruelly exposed, and it undid alot of better play elsewhere. A disappointing and frustrating match/result, but it wasn't all bad. There were decent aspects to parts of the performance and there is hope for the future if we can build on that opening 20-25 mins. We do need to sort out our weaknesses up front though, otherwise it won't matter how we improve elsewhere as we won't score enough goals. Sort that out - and it'll be easier said than done - and we will be a decent team at this level.
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Oct 3, 2015 19:26:44 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 19:26:44 GMT 1
I don't have time or the inclination to go back and watch it frame by frame, but to me if the striker gets the ball past the keeper and the keeper makes contact with the striker without touching the ball its a penalty. Only other thing I would say about the penalty incident is that if that was the other way around we would ALL be up in arms that it was not given. No doubt it was brave by the ref as he clearly thought it was just a dive but I still think it was the wrong one. Other than that I think the ref had a good game and I can't really blame him for thinking it was a dive because it clearly was. So it was a dive but the referee got it wrong? What you are saying is he had a right to go down? Sums up everything that's wrong with the 'game' It's called cheating in a contact sport. Well done referee, one in the eye for certain pundits that have been pushing for a 'contactless sport'. it can be both let me explain myself. There was contact inside the box with the player not the ball, denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. Even our goalie knew it and almost walked off himself. So please lets stop kidding ourselves. If this had happened against us we would rightly feel robbed. Now let me explain why I mentioned it was also a dive. There was contact, but Le Fondre exaggerated and threw himself down on the ground in order to secure a penalty or so he thought. So I think the ref was correct in booking Le Fondre as he did exaggerate it, however I also think it was a clear penalty and it can be both.
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Oct 3, 2015 19:31:07 GMT 1
Post by impact on Oct 3, 2015 19:31:07 GMT 1
Spot on - I said to my son in the way back 'imagine if you swapped Miller with Afobe'. I reckon we would have the better side. Another thing I forgot to say about today is that the refereeing performance was one of the best I have witnessed at this level- not sure who he was but his decisions were absolutely spot on from my viewpoint Brilliant decision for the non penalty. When it happened i said out loud- shit , thats a pen! And even our keeper thought it was and hed be off. But barely any contact and was a clear dive IMO and ref got it spot on. No idea what Le Fondre was thinking really cos he could so easily have stepped past the keeper and rolled it into an empty net. He reffed us last year at home and was very good then - so much so I made a thread about him! Destined for big things I hope as we're short on good refs in this county.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 19:46:07 GMT 1
So it was a dive but the referee got it wrong? What you are saying is he had a right to go down? Sums up everything that's wrong with the 'game' It's called cheating in a contact sport. Well done referee, one in the eye for certain pundits that have been pushing for a 'contactless sport'. it can be both let me explain myself. There was contact inside the box with the player not the ball, denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. Even our goalie knew it and almost walked off himself. So please lets stop kidding ourselves. If this had happened against us we would rightly feel robbed. Now let me explain why I mentioned it was also a dive. There was contact, but Le Fondre exaggerated and threw himself down on the ground in order to secure a penalty or so he thought. So I think the ref was correct in booking Le Fondre as he did exaggerate it, however I also think it was a clear penalty and it can be both. Simulation is simulation, going down when you could stay on your feet is cheating and a deliberate attempt to con the officials. In my book he should have been sent off, if he got away with it undoubtably Steer would have walked. Whether we would have felt robbed is neither here nor there, wouldn't be the first time. By the way Bunn is a lucky lad not to have had a few red cards imo.
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Oct 3, 2015 19:51:38 GMT 1
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 3, 2015 19:51:38 GMT 1
Spot on - I said to my son in the way back 'imagine if you swapped Miller with Afobe'. I reckon we would have the better side. Another thing I forgot to say about today is that the refereeing performance was one of the best I have witnessed at this level- not sure who he was but his decisions were absolutely spot on from my viewpoint Brilliant decision for the non penalty. When it happened i said out loud- shit , thats a pen! And even our keeper thought it was and hed be off. But barely any contact and was a clear dive IMO and ref got it spot on. No idea what Le Fondre was thinking really cos he could so easily have stepped past the keeper and rolled it into an empty net. I agree. The simulation is pretty obvious - arms go up in the air and they are off their feet before any contact. On the Afobe love in - I thought he was very poor in the first half and Miller made a more effective contribution (not great mind) to Town than Afobe did for Wolves. You can't beat a bit of pace and movement like Afobe showed in the second half though. That's what we are missing in both Miller and Wells.
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Oct 3, 2015 19:52:57 GMT 1
Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Oct 3, 2015 19:52:57 GMT 1
Thought Huws made 2 bad decisions today - why didn't he bring the ball down in midfield before their goal rather than heading it up in the air to nobody and his decision to shoot in the 1st half when Bunn and Miller unmarked in the box. I know he scores goals but he doesn't do much else for me. I would have taken him off earlier than he was, with Carayol who after 2-3 attempts at taking on a young kid then gives up and I thought Davidson was terrible today as well. I like Miller for what he normally does but not a good game today at all, thought only Whitehead, Cranie and Lynch came out with any credit. Need to rethink upfront although don't see Best as a solution and would welcome back JV if he's up for it. Bad performance for me today but will be going to Ipswich with hope. UTT Huws had a mixed game today. As you say, his decision making - particularly when he chose to shoot in the first half with two players free - was poor at times, but he also played a few nice passes out to the wings. He gives us a more attacking dimension than the Whitehead/Hogg combination and is well worth his place in the team at the moment. I was also disappointed Carayol lost his attacking impetus after his early burst, but I think he may be that sort of player. Frustrating, but capable of winning us the game with moments of magic. I also thought Davidson had a poor game, but he's been generally ok since he came to us.Miller did ok, but we all know he is limited. He does what he does, and his hold up play is generally good, but his finishing is poor and he needs more support. Get players around him more often and I think he becomes far more effective. He'll never score many, but he can bring others into play if given the chance. I don't think it was a bad performance today. In the first half it was a decent away performance: we kept the opposition pretty quiet and created 2 or 3 very good chances ourselves. Our passing was pretty good in the middle of the park too. Unfortunately Wolves scored with their only decent effort of the half and they upped their game in the second. Granted, Town didn't play as well in the second half, but I've seen far worse. Our lack of quality up front was cruelly exposed, and it undid alot of better play elsewhere. A disappointing and frustrating match/result, but it wasn't all bad. There were decent aspects to parts of the performance and there is hope for the future if we can build on that opening 20-25 mins. We do need to sort out our weaknesses up front though, otherwise it won't matter how we improve elsewhere as we won't score enough goals. Sort that out - and it'll be easier said than done - and we will be a decent team at this level. Davidson is so in and out it's crazy, today he had a shocker, sometimes he's good but he needs to find some consistency. The first 20 minutes was ok, we looked lively and created one or two chances, Carayol had a decent effort well saved, although no one was following up, why? I also think we are far far too pedestrian, the build up is painfully slow, when players receive the ball their back is always to goal. the goal resulted from Huws heading skywards, then two missed tackles and we're 1-0 down. Second half we just totally lost it and we were pretty poor being exposed, as you say. Although I thought the Carayol substitution was bizarre to say the least, he should have taken off the ineffective Bunn and it probably changed the course of the game as I didn't think we were bad up until then after that though, it was rapidly downhill. We are desperate for a new striker, we'll just have to muddle on until January, unless we can get a loan in, but the lack of goals up until then could see us firmly rooted in a relegation battle. The club have made a tidy amount of money on sales of 3 players, in we don't get someone in with that money then the club deserve all thats coming to them.
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Oct 3, 2015 19:55:23 GMT 1
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Post by hypotenuse on Oct 3, 2015 19:55:23 GMT 1
Agreed - Afobe was a no-show in the first half. To be honest (and I not sure you can always see this on TV) our passing and movement was terrific in that first half and Wolves' midfield and strikers were not really in the game
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Post by ACW on Oct 3, 2015 20:20:13 GMT 1
Brilliant decision for the non penalty. When it happened i said out loud- shit , thats a pen! And even our keeper thought it was and hed be off. But barely any contact and was a clear dive IMO and ref got it spot on. No idea what Le Fondre was thinking really cos he could so easily have stepped past the keeper and rolled it into an empty net. I agree. The simulation is pretty obvious - arms go up in the air and they are off their feet before any contact. On the Afobe love in - I thought he was very poor in the first half and Miller made a more effective contribution (not great mind) to Town than Afobe did for Wolves. You can't beat a bit of pace and movement like Afobe showed in the second half though. That's what we are missing in both Miller and Wells. Agree with both of you on the pen. My thoughts exactly. Afobe was poor in the first half - not really interested in getting forward at all - although, to be fair, the service up to him was poor. Much better in the second half and, as you say, demonstrated they quality we don't have up front. Our weakness in the final third was really exposed today, which is a shame because it undoes our better play elsewhere. Never a deserved 3-0 to Wolves, but they took their chances and we didn't take ours, particularly in the first half.
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Oct 3, 2015 20:30:56 GMT 1
Post by Thwarting Dog on Oct 3, 2015 20:30:56 GMT 1
You lot are talking about a penalty decision as if it meant something.
All that matters to me is we lost 3-0 and to me that's the worry
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 20:40:25 GMT 1
You lot are talking about a penalty decision as if it meant something. All that matters to me is we lost 3-0 and to me that's the worry That games finished, gone, over, how we perform in the next game is what really matters. Nowt wrong with discussing what was a big decision for the ref.
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Post by Thwarting Dog on Oct 3, 2015 21:00:09 GMT 1
You lot are talking about a penalty decision as if it meant something. All that matters to me is we lost 3-0 and to me that's the worry That games finished, gone, over, how we perform in the next game is what really matters. Nowt wrong with discussing what was a big decision for the ref. The ref was superb throughout which is all that we can ask. I wouldn't want to do that job at all. Saying that though I love Union and league Rugby, the ref explain every decision and with web-cams its light years ahead of football. It's something that has to come into our game to improve without stopping the game. Perhaps that's the problem but I'd rather they get it right than wrong. To me its a must
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