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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 8, 2015 0:41:55 GMT 1
No you're wrong. Gerrard of 13/14 was better than Ward and way better then Hudson. He also covered for the weaknesses in Lynch's game that still exist- namely being poor in the air. He was our best defender for 2 seasons running ( including Lynch) and the only player we had that came close to challenging Clayton as POTS in 13/14. Him then, would EASILY get in the current side.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Oct 8, 2015 7:55:19 GMT 1
No you're wrong. Gerrard of 13/14 was better than Ward and way better then Hudson. He also covered for the weaknesses in Lynch's game that still exist- namely being poor in the air. He was our best defender for 2 seasons running ( including Lynch) and the only player we had that came close to challenging Clayton as POTS in 13/14. Him then, would EASILY get in the current side. Like your opinion. I wasn't a fan though.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 8, 2015 8:04:53 GMT 1
#nicklogic
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Oct 8, 2015 8:11:49 GMT 1
In fact, I can't really remember what he did, Hudson is very average though. Lynch seems solid but poor temperament
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 8:20:32 GMT 1
In fact, I can't really remember what he did, Hudson is very average though. Lynch seems solid but poor temperament Not the only one.
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Post by specialun on Oct 8, 2015 9:06:24 GMT 1
Gerrard would not get in the team captain
We've not seen a host of clubs jumping to sign him have we?
Or has he now signed up - sure someone a league 1 team were after him which would make sense. He's a decent league 1 defender.
I sonetimes think he's playing upfront - the touch, techincal ability, weight, ability to control the ball, constant moaning are very similar, then I remembered Gerrard was brave and could head a ball!
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 8, 2015 19:58:44 GMT 1
Im not talking about Gerrard now!!! Im talking about him in 13/14. Not sure why but he clearly lost interest in being a pro footballer and let himself 'go' big time so Im not surprised no one wants him ( if hes even trying to get a club) .
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 8, 2015 20:33:04 GMT 1
Im not talking about Gerrard now!!! Im talking about him in 13/14. Not sure why but he clearly lost interest in being a pro footballer and let himself 'go' big time so Im not surprised no one wants him ( if hes even trying to get a club) . Not saying youre wrong (cos I don't know) but just out of interest what makes you say that?
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 9, 2015 0:27:31 GMT 1
His weight mainly. Remember seeing him away at Rotherham last xmas close up and couldn't believe the timber hed piled on whilst he hadn't been in the team. To me it was a pretty clear sign that hed lost his drive to be a professional footballer.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Oct 9, 2015 8:53:16 GMT 1
His weight mainly. Remember seeing him away at Rotherham last xmas close up and couldn't believe the timber hed piled on whilst he hadn't been in the team. To me it was a pretty clear sign that hed lost his drive to be a professional footballer. I, too am quite amazed how he had put on the timber, I can only assume that it is down to his mentality, maturity and lack of professional - his twitter spats may have provided a glimpse of his character flaws before his body did. Didn't he also have a fall out with Cardiff? I think a comparison is again appropriate here, Hudson captained champions side Cardiff at an older age than Gerrard currently is and don't take this as a Hudson is better than Gerrard ability wise argument cos we don't want to go there again but in the professionalism stakes it's a no contest. Finally it's good to see that Hudson, Murphy and Vaughan(who!) get minutes under their belt albeit in a Man City friendly. Ward should still retain his place if he continue to perform at a high level.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 9, 2015 9:24:07 GMT 1
Think his twitter spats just reflected his spiky personality where he was always up for a battle if there was one available to have. Quite liked that in him on the pitch as IMO too many players are a bit too 'placid' and nice. Probably not bright enough to avoid confrontations on social media he didn't need to have and could never win though.
Id imagine Hudsons one of those players who managers love to have around as they never cause a moments trouble and have a superb professional attitude to everything. Thats obviously great but perhaps runs the risk of clouding the managers view of their ability as a player too much?
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Oct 9, 2015 9:30:59 GMT 1
Think his twitter spats just reflected his spiky personality where he was always up for a battle if there was one available to have. Quite liked that in him on the pitch as IMO too many players are a bit too 'placid' and nice. Probably not bright enough to avoid confrontations on social media he didn't need to have and could never win though. Id imagine Hudsons one of those players who managers love to have around as they never cause a moments trouble and have a superb professional attitude to everything. Thats obviously great but perhaps runs the risk of clouding the managers view of their ability as a player too much? Those are the exact reasons why I never understood the calls for him to be given the captaincy, which, in hindsight was probably one of the wisest things the club never did.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 9, 2015 9:44:33 GMT 1
I didn't know thered been that many calls to be honest. Was this when Smithies was skipper? Anyone would be better than a keeper IMO.
Some great skippers were spiky and confrontational. Roy Keane springs to mind. Not a problem ON the pitch for me, though perhaps might be off it. Maybe if we'd made him captain it would have changed his attitude all round and hed still be a fixture in our first team right now playing at the levels he was 2 seasons ago? We'd be better of for it if he was IMO. Wouldn't be the first where captaincy has done that.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Oct 9, 2015 9:57:19 GMT 1
I didn't know thered been that many calls to be honest. Was this when Smithies was skipper? Anyone would be better than a keeper IMO. Some great skippers were spiky and confrontational. Roy Keane springs to mind. Not a problem ON the pitch for me, though perhaps might be off it. Maybe if we'd made him captain it would have changed his attitude all round and hed still be a fixture in our first team right now playing at the levels he was 2 seasons ago? We'd be better of for it if he was IMO. Wouldn't be the first where captaincy has done that. I'm not sure you can really argue that - in every case, you would never know what the opposite effect would have done. I'm a firm believer that in football the on the pitch effect of a captain is way overrated, IMO it is way more to do with an off the field ambassadorial role representing the club. That's why I had no issue with Smithies having the armband - longest serving pro and local lad too. Personalities on the field don't necessarily change - leaders will lead, wearing an armband or not. If you're a pro footballer and you want to use lack of motivation from another player with an armband as an excuse for anything then IMO you have no business being on the field in the first place. What we do know and can't change though is what has actually taken place and sadly for Gerrard, he hasn't proven any of his doubters wrong.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 9, 2015 10:05:12 GMT 1
No he hasn't. But he also hasn't changed how good he was for us either, which is my main gripe when people talk about what hes gone on to do. Agree in general about leaders will lead etc, but I do think a skipper can have a very good influence on the pitch. Whitehead seems to do that- setting the standard and 'working' the ref. Maybe hed do that without the armband, or maybe the ref wouldn't listen to him? Im not sure.
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Post by impact on Oct 9, 2015 10:11:26 GMT 1
I didn't know thered been that many calls to be honest. Was this when Smithies was skipper? Anyone would be better than a keeper IMO. Some great skippers were spiky and confrontational. Roy Keane springs to mind. Not a problem ON the pitch for me, though perhaps might be off it. Maybe if we'd made him captain it would have changed his attitude all round and hed still be a fixture in our first team right now playing at the levels he was 2 seasons ago? We'd be better of for it if he was IMO. Wouldn't be the first where captaincy has done that. I'm not sure you can really argue that - in every case, you would never know what the opposite effect would have done. I'm a firm believer that in football the on the pitch effect of a captain is way overrated, IMO it is way more to do with an off the field ambassadorial role representing the club. That's why I had no issue with Smithies having the armband - longest serving pro and local lad too. Personalities on the field don't necessarily change - leaders will lead, wearing an armband or not. If you're a pro footballer and you want to use lack of motivation from another player with an armband as an excuse for anything then IMO you have no business being on the field in the first place. What we do know and can't change though is what has actually taken place and sadly for Gerrard, he hasn't proven any of his doubters wrong. Couldn't agree more. You don't have to have an armband to be a leader. Which is why I find all the arguments about stand in captains pointless. It'll give the player a bit of a boost but that's about it.
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