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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 10:50:12 GMT 1
In terms of being an accountant, it's almost impossible to knock Clibbens. His record speaks for itself. What is clearly lacking is a ballsy marketing presence at boardroom level. Someone to argue that it's worth taking a risk on something which might be considered 'out there' when purely looking through the lens of immediate profit / loss. When you're fighting not only other professional football teams, but also going to the cinema or an amusement park or a trip to the seaside for a family's disposable, you need to be smart. It's these floating supporters' money which will make all the difference when it comes to budgets and ambitions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 10:50:20 GMT 1
You cannot just look at the prices in isolation as a reason for why the fans have dropped off, it's just confirmation bias.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 10:52:03 GMT 1
You cannot just look at the prices in isolation as a reason for why the fans have dropped off, it's just confirmation bias. True say. Correlation does not imply causation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 10:53:23 GMT 1
Supped three large coffees when he interviewed me a few years ago for a role at Town did Clibbens, about the only memorable thing from it other than the view onto the pitch ! you didn't get the job then ? Lol, no me and ANother final I/view. Naturally, I'd have turned it down anyway
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 8, 2015 11:00:27 GMT 1
You cannot just look at the prices in isolation as a reason for why the fans have dropped off, it's just confirmation bias. It does, however, fit in with anecdotal evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 11:01:33 GMT 1
you didn't get the job then ? Lol, no me and ANother final I/view. Naturally, I'd have turned it down anyway And then we had to put up with Mark Robins...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 11:02:21 GMT 1
Value Product. Entertainment. Most people do not and will not understand football finance, myself included.
Give the fans something that is enjoyable to watch, not a weekend visit to the John Smiths which seems more like a chore. Bums on seats. The only way a club like ours can do that is by endevour on and off the pitch. We cannot compete financially. Nobody is stupid enough to assume we can. Cutting prices might seem like a good idea, but is it? Without a product the club can sell that is attractive enough to attract a huge following at discounted rates such as the other week, the club might as well be talking to the wall.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 11:07:36 GMT 1
Nigel is in many ways correct when he says that pricing is inelastic...when thinking of Town supporters as this block of 10k hardcore. If he put £2 on prices, this 10k might moan, but they'd still buy the ticket. Take £2 off the ticket price, and you've still got the 10k hardcore - but now you're £20k down.
But this is thinking small. What does the stadium hold - 25000? What's going on to fill them? Whether you like the game or not, what rugby league has done in the Super League era to win fans and rebrand it as a family day out is incredible (N.B. before anyone points out the Town draw bigger crowds than Fartown, I'm talking about growth from base).
Where's Town's next generation of fans? If mum (or dad) can tag along for just an extra fiver with a dad and lad, isn't that more beneficial than taking nowt and having plenty of empty seats? Might it even then become a habit for them the season after? What seeds are we sowing now?
We just need to do something. At the moment it does feel like all the razzamatazz is also being done by a financial accountant.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 11:10:24 GMT 1
Nigel is in many ways correct when he says that pricing is inelastic...when thinking of Town supporters as this block of 10k hardcore. If he put £2 on prices, this 10k might moan, but they'd still buy the ticket. Take £2 off the ticket price, and you've still got the 10k hardcore - but now you're £20k down. But this is thinking small. What does the stadium hold - 25000? What's going on to fill them? Whether you like the game or not, what rugby league has done in the Super League era to win fans and rebrand it as a family day out is incredible (N.B. before anyone points out the Town draw bigger crowds than Fartown, I'm talking about growth from base). Where's Town's next generation of fans? If mum (or dad) can tag along for just an extra fiver with a dad and lad, isn't that more beneficial than taking nowt and having plenty of empty seats? Might it even then become a habit for them the season after? What seeds are we sowing now? We just need to do something. At the moment it does feel like all the razzamatazz is also being done by a financial accountant. good point.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 11:21:17 GMT 1
We should also bear in mind that in some ways we're not qualified to talk. Whether we go each week or not, DATM readers are still part of Nigel's inelastic hardcore (which might have been the original name of the NSL ) Our musings on price are not indicative of the wider picture. There are thousands of potential future season ticket holders out there who don't even know about DATM... and don't know a great deal about Huddersfield Town, either. I'd love to see us go after them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 11:29:00 GMT 1
There are thousands of potential future season ticket holders out there who don't even know about DATM... and don't know a great deal about Huddersfield Town, either. I'd love to see us go after them. Sounds like the perfect people to go for. What happens when they actually watch us though?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 11:36:54 GMT 1
There are thousands of potential future season ticket holders out there who don't even know about DATM... and don't know a great deal about Huddersfield Town, either. I'd love to see us go after them. Sounds like the perfect people to go for. What happens when they actually watch us though? Kick football out of football - never let football spoil a good day out at the football. So what's the family-friendly equivalent of an early doors sesh, followed by a right booze up after?! There must be something; one of my mates watches Fartown with his missus and their two lads, and they go down about two hours before the game kicks off! They must be something going on for them. I do think time is a big thing for most people - i.e. they measure value via it. How many times has someone said to you "£34 for 90 minutes? You must be mad!" If you could stretch that out if you're a family, do they perceive that as better value? Is 'time spent keeping the kids occupied' a buying determinant? I dunno, I'm the wrong (single) man to ask.
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Post by terrierpark on Oct 8, 2015 22:11:54 GMT 1
I think to be fair to the club, Town have always priced the kids at attractive rates until the last couple of years or so. My two sons have been and are season ticket holders since they were about six years old, so capturing the kids does work. But I do remember the club having a moan about not amny walk up fans when they had much better ST holders a few seasons back so you cant win. If we had 20k in every game the usual suspects would remind us all how the bigger attendances now incur bigger operating costs for stewarding,policing etc etc and like with everything else make excuses for the club. Slapps reminded us all how many clubs of our size would love to do the transfer business we do! So there you have it really in a nutshell, since the millions from player sales are clearly not been reinvested in championship quality players to build for the future, which could leed to better football ,more wins/success /enjoment and ultimately more bums on seats then use the money to cut the price to watch the overpaid excuses for championship players.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 23:27:54 GMT 1
Nigel is in many ways correct when he says that pricing is inelastic...when thinking of Town supporters as this block of 10k hardcore. If he put £2 on prices, this 10k might moan, but they'd still buy the ticket. Take £2 off the ticket price, and you've still got the 10k hardcore - but now you're £20k down. But this is thinking small. What does the stadium hold - 25000? What's going on to fill them? Whether you like the game or not, what rugby league has done in the Super League era to win fans and rebrand it as a family day out is incredible (N.B. before anyone points out the Town draw bigger crowds than Fartown, I'm talking about growth from base). Where's Town's next generation of fans? If mum (or dad) can tag along for just an extra fiver with a dad and lad, isn't that more beneficial than taking nowt and having plenty of empty seats? Might it even then become a habit for them the season after? What seeds are we sowing now? We just need to do something. At the moment it does feel like all the razzamatazz is also being done by a financial accountant. He's not right at all though about this 'inelasticity'. Evidenced by the fact that less than 10000 home fans have come through the gates on a few occasions already this season.
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Post by Siehe grün on Oct 8, 2015 23:39:44 GMT 1
I think to be fair to the club, Town have always priced the kids at attractive rates until the last couple of years or so. My two sons have been and are season ticket holders since they were about six years old, so capturing the kids does work. But I do remember the club having a moan about not amny walk up fans when they had much better ST holders a few seasons back so you cant win. If we had 20k in every game the usual suspects would remind us all how the bigger attendances now incur bigger operating costs for stewarding,policing etc etc and like with everything else make excuses for the club. Slapps reminded us all how many clubs of our size would love to do the transfer business we do! So there you have it really in a nutshell, since the millions from player sales are clearly not been reinvested in championship quality players to build for the future, which could leed to better football ,more wins/success /enjoment and ultimately more bums on seats then use the money to cut the price to watch the overpaid excuses for championship players. Or, as I suspect will happen, never mind the millions received through player sales, don't invest in quality initiatives to put bums on seats either. That would feel like a slow lingering death to me... Deano has a big decision to make shortly.. Keep on putting a few million in each year to keep the club where it is at the bare minimum personal price with the vain hope someone will come in and buy the club. Unfortunately significant outside investment seems unlikely. Or, invest to attract good quality players and then get the local public back behind the team. Unfortunately for Deano, it's chicken and egg. And he's the only man at the moment who can start that process off as it seems the Huddersfield public aren't about to do that for him. The big risk here lies with Dean as its his investment that goes tits up if he pulls the plug without others to take it on and the question is, as a fan, would he do that? Edit: that 'bare minimum personal price' is acknowledged as a sum far in excess of what I, or many others could put in. And appreciated.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 9, 2015 0:04:05 GMT 1
I think to be fair to the club, Town have always priced the kids at attractive rates until the last couple of years or so. My two sons have been and are season ticket holders since they were about six years old, so capturing the kids does work. But I do remember the club having a moan about not amny walk up fans when they had much better ST holders a few seasons back so you cant win. If we had 20k in every game the usual suspects would remind us all how the bigger attendances now incur bigger operating costs for stewarding,policing etc etc and like with everything else make excuses for the club. Slapps reminded us all how many clubs of our size would love to do the transfer business we do! So there you have it really in a nutshell, since the millions from player sales are clearly not been reinvested in championship quality players to build for the future, which could leed to better football ,more wins/success /enjoment and ultimately more bums on seats then use the money to cut the price to watch the overpaid excuses for championship players. Why do you seem to hate this club so much? Youve followed it for years. Your sons follow it. Yet at the same time you seem to loath it with a passion, with an endless string of posts full of ridiculous negativity and bile towards it??
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 9, 2015 0:18:30 GMT 1
Or, as I suspect will happen, never mind the millions received through player sales, don't invest in quality initiatives to put bums on seats either. That would feel like a slow lingering death to me... Deano has a big decision to make shortly.. Keep on putting a few million in each year to keep the club where it is at the bare minimum personal price with the vain hope someone will come in and buy the club. Unfortunately significant outside investment seems unlikely. Or, invest to attract good quality players and then get the local public back behind the team. Unfortunately for Deano, it's chicken and egg. And he's the only man at the moment who can start that process off as it seems the Huddersfield public aren't about to do that for him. The big risk here lies with Dean as its his investment that goes tits up if he pulls the plug without others to take it on and the question is, as a fan, would he do that? Edit: that 'bare minimum personal price' is acknowledged as a sum far in excess of what I, or many others could put in. And appreciated. What about the schemes already in place? Any one of the fans saying they'd watch games IF it was £20 for pay on the doorers ( way less than all our competitors charge) can join the take 10 scheme and cherry pick the 10 most attractive games each season and pay around £20 a game. They can also add on other promoted games such as the forest and MK Dons games recently for £25 FOR BOTH. So thats 12 games right there this season for around £225 or £18.75 each. So if people can't make a full seasons games so don;'t want a season ticket, the initiative is already there for them to watch over half a season for less than £20 a game. Not everything about our pricing system is right- its way too complicated and haphazard for one thing, but a lot of the criticism the club are getting on this thread doesn't make much sense to me.
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Post by peyiaterrier on Oct 9, 2015 5:19:38 GMT 1
We should also bear in mind that in some ways we're not qualified to talk. Whether we go each week or not, DATM readers are still part of Nigel's inelastic hardcore (which might have been the original name of the NSL ) Our musings on price are not indicative of the wider picture. There are thousands of potential future season ticket holders out there who don't even know about DATM... and don't know a great deal about Huddersfield Town, either. I'd love to see us go after them. Huddersfield- a University Town with many students of all nationalities. HTFC should be attracting them with incentives and reduced pricing. A market - it would seem- untapped and possibly lucrative. Better to have a cheap bum on seat than no bum at all.
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 9, 2015 8:50:02 GMT 1
One thing I find odd is that the club realised there was a problem last season when it decided to discount tickets for the Leeds game. Despite that, it introduced a big increase in match day prices for this season. Surely someone could have seen that that would affect attendances even more.
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Post by k1man999 on Oct 9, 2015 9:19:12 GMT 1
It needs t be a day out type event. Been to the ethiad t see city part of work. The things going on there are great. Yes we can't afford t put up a mass permanent fans park like they have but maybe something on a smaller scale. They have bands ex pros telling stories good food n drink bit like the German market type stuff. Things for the kids like a hut sponsored by a gaming company with video games t play n loads of other stuff. Yes after they have better football t watch mostly but it would b a step in the right direction as people want a day out. Also look at big events t see how fan parks work always full n plenty t do and see
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 9:43:40 GMT 1
Or, as I suspect will happen, never mind the millions received through player sales, don't invest in quality initiatives to put bums on seats either. That would feel like a slow lingering death to me... Deano has a big decision to make shortly.. Keep on putting a few million in each year to keep the club where it is at the bare minimum personal price with the vain hope someone will come in and buy the club. Unfortunately significant outside investment seems unlikely. Or, invest to attract good quality players and then get the local public back behind the team. Unfortunately for Deano, it's chicken and egg. And he's the only man at the moment who can start that process off as it seems the Huddersfield public aren't about to do that for him. The big risk here lies with Dean as its his investment that goes tits up if he pulls the plug without others to take it on and the question is, as a fan, would he do that? Edit: that 'bare minimum personal price' is acknowledged as a sum far in excess of what I, or many others could put in. And appreciated. What about the schemes already in place? Any one of the fans saying they'd watch games IF it was £20 for pay on the doorers ( way less than all our competitors charge) can join the take 10 scheme and cherry pick the 10 most attractive games each season and pay around £20 a game. They can also add on other promoted games such as the forest and MK Dons games recently for £25 FOR BOTH. So thats 12 games right there this season for around £225 or £18.75 each. So if people can't make a full seasons games so don;'t want a season ticket, the initiative is already there for them to watch over half a season for less than £20 a game. Not everything about our pricing system is right- its way too complicated and haphazard for one thing, but a lot of the criticism the club are getting on this thread doesn't make much sense to me. Because it's faff. Take 10 doesn't get you in for £20, don't forget the up front fee. What it does is commits you to paying MORE than the price you'd pay just walking up if you only end up attending 5 home games, the same as walk up if you attend 6 games, then up to a maximum of £40 saving if you happen to attend 10 games. With the broad assumption that it's £30 standard entry across the board, the *maximum* discount that a Take10 gets you is that your ten games cost you £26 each... It's hardly worth bothering with. Thing is, people choose a Take 10 BECAUSE they're expecting to attend 7 to 10 games, because that's the time commitment they're at for whatever reason. But what if you got a Take10 this season, expecting to attend 8 games, and 3 of the games you turned up for, happened to be MK Dons, Forest and Leeds? Now on the one hand you'd be happy that you'd benefited from the promo entry prices, but on the other hand, you'd see (assuming you did only go on to attend a max of 8 games), that your Take10 meant that you'd actually paid £10 MORE for match entry than you would have done if you'd just bought them in advance at full price anyway. That's hardly an incentive to buy a Take10 the following season. And in fact is the exact position I found myself in. I bought a Take10 last season, I can only do Saturdays, and I can't do every Saturday. I ended up getting various discounts from school, and from general promo etc, and only attended 6 games using my Take10...despite getting to 9 or 10 or 11 (not 100% certain, some of them were a bit hazy!) home games in total. So I paid the same as I would have if I hadn't bothered with a Take10, so this season I didn't bother with a Take10...and a football match is not really worth £30...so I've not bothered very often...think I've done 2 home games so far, and had planned on just the Derby County game before Christmas. However, at £20, I WILL go and watch Town v Leeds, and at a blanket £20 I would probably attend a few more. Flat across the board lower pricing, no categorisation, less general promo games, is the way to get fans through the door who aren't going to be season ticket holders initially. It really is as simple as that. Someone watches Town v Leeds for £20, decides it was a cracking day out, then discovers the next game v Boro is a category A, and its £32 (£35 if they pay on the day!) to get in the Kilner Bank and they have to sit right near the front because it's full because half the stand is taken with Boro fans..then theyll likely go, "no thanks".
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 9, 2015 9:58:27 GMT 1
If you are in the take 10 scheme, surely you wouldn't use up 2 of your 10 games on the Forest and MK Dons games where you can get in very cheaply anyway?? I may be wrong but the joining fee is a one off thing isn't it? So you wouldn't need to pay that every season? So next season it would be roughly £20 each for 10 games?
I agree it isn't a help to the very casual fan who might just want to watch a random game as a one off. But it is, or should be' a help to all these people claiming they'd go to quite a few games if it was cheaper. Well its there- so use it and stop making excuses!
Agree with you about no categories etc to make the whole thing less confusing. But its hard to see round the fact that fans seem to be expecting Town to buy in better, more expensive players to entertain them and win more games, whilst at the same time charging our relatively small number of fans much less to watch them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 10:01:05 GMT 1
It needs t be a day out type event. Been to the ethiad t see city part of work. The things going on there are great. Yes we can't afford t put up a mass permanent fans park like they have but maybe something on a smaller scale. They have bands ex pros telling stories good food n drink bit like the German market type stuff. Things for the kids like a hut sponsored by a gaming company with video games t play n loads of other stuff. Yes after they have better football t watch mostly but it would b a step in the right direction as people want a day out. Also look at big events t see how fan parks work always full n plenty t do and see This is where the potential is. People on here cream their pants over German football support. It is great; I've experienced it myself. I'd say it's down to three things: pricing, standing up and having a beer on the terrace...And that it's a full day out on site with their fan parks. It's not about supping in a boozer until five to three (which doesn't benefit the club at all) or just getting 90 mins for your kids' entertainment. It's a whole package. Do you need massive amounts of money for this? No. Yeovil manage it with just a big tent!
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Post by wtd on Oct 9, 2015 10:14:26 GMT 1
What about the schemes already in place? Any one of the fans saying they'd watch games IF it was £20 for pay on the doorers ( way less than all our competitors charge) can join the take 10 scheme and cherry pick the 10 most attractive games each season and pay around £20 a game. They can also add on other promoted games such as the forest and MK Dons games recently for £25 FOR BOTH. So thats 12 games right there this season for around £225 or £18.75 each. So if people can't make a full seasons games so don;'t want a season ticket, the initiative is already there for them to watch over half a season for less than £20 a game. Not everything about our pricing system is right- its way too complicated and haphazard for one thing, but a lot of the criticism the club are getting on this thread doesn't make much sense to me. Because it's faff. Take 10 doesn't get you in for £20, don't forget the up front fee. What it does is commits you to paying MORE than the price you'd pay just walking up if you only end up attending 5 home games, the same as walk up if you attend 6 games, then up to a maximum of £40 saving if you happen to attend 10 games. With the broad assumption that it's £30 standard entry across the board, the *maximum* discount that a Take10 gets you is that your ten games cost you £26 each... It's hardly worth bothering with. Thing is, people choose a Take 10 BECAUSE they're expecting to attend 7 to 10 games, because that's the time commitment they're at for whatever reason. But what if you got a Take10 this season, expecting to attend 8 games, and 3 of the games you turned up for, happened to be MK Dons, Forest and Leeds? Now on the one hand you'd be happy that you'd benefited from the promo entry prices, but on the other hand, you'd see (assuming you did only go on to attend a max of 8 games), that your Take10 meant that you'd actually paid £10 MORE for match entry than you would have done if you'd just bought them in advance at full price anyway. That's hardly an incentive to buy a Take10 the following season. And in fact is the exact position I found myself in. I bought a Take10 last season, I can only do Saturdays, and I can't do every Saturday. I ended up getting various discounts from school, and from general promo etc, and only attended 6 games using my Take10...despite getting to 9 or 10 or 11 (not 100% certain, some of them were a bit hazy!) home games in total. So I paid the same as I would have if I hadn't bothered with a Take10, so this season I didn't bother with a Take10...and a football match is not really worth £30...so I've not bothered very often...think I've done 2 home games so far, and had planned on just the Derby County game before Christmas. However, at £20, I WILL go and watch Town v Leeds, and at a blanket £20 I would probably attend a few more. Flat across the board lower pricing, no categorisation, less general promo games, is the way to get fans through the door who aren't going to be season ticket holders initially. It really is as simple as that.Someone watches Town v Leeds for £20, decides it was a cracking day out, then discovers the next game v Boro is a category A, and its £32 (£35 if they pay on the day!) to get in the Kilner Bank and they have to sit right near the front because it's full because half the stand is taken with Boro fans..then theyll likely go, "no thanks". This
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 10:14:11 GMT 1
Just got an email saying Town have a fireworks evening at Canalside on October 25. That's the day after the Derby game.
Why not bundle it together? Sell the idea to families: a big game, with guaranteed fireworks after. It turns 90 mins of entertainment to a 4 hour plus day out. They're only asking £4 for the fireworks (£2 for kids). Wouldn't they have been better to absorb this cost into a one-off family ticket to entice the neutral / non-regular and try to win some new fans?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 11:04:24 GMT 1
If you are in the take 10 scheme, surely you wouldn't use up 2 of your 10 games on the Forest and MK Dons games where you can get in very cheaply anyway?? I may be wrong but the joining fee is a one off thing isn't it? So you wouldn't need to pay that every season? So next season it would be roughly £20 each for 10 games? I agree it isn't a help to the very casual fan who might just want to watch a random game as a one off. But it is, or should be' a help to all these people claiming they'd go to quite a few games if it was cheaper. Well its there- so use it and stop making excuses! Agree with you about no categories etc to make the whole thing less confusing. But its hard to see round the fact that fans seem to be expecting Town to buy in better, more expensive players to entertain them and win more games, whilst at the same time charging our relatively small number of fans much less to watch them. captain, I admire you're stance on this, supporting the clubs current ticket pricing strategy, but most of the comments regarding simpler and less costly ticket pricing are aimed at bucking the trend of diminishing crowds. Hardly anybody has demanded better players whilst also wanting ticket prices to be slashed. The bottom line is this, if the club can afford to sustain season tickets and take 10 schemes, where entry is sub £20, why can't they also simplify the pricing categories and offers so more people can decide to come for closer to £20 than the current cost of £30 or more in some instances. A business without customers will go out of business.
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Post by chinaski on Oct 9, 2015 11:31:57 GMT 1
Tap into the student market. £5 tickets or something. The university is getting bigger every year and the whole town centre seems to be getting redeveloped for student housing.
When I went to uni in Scotland I couldn't give up my football fix, I travelled all round watching Aberdeen and still make the odd game these days. I would've have gone at full price but it was about £4-5 a game.
At least it'd make the ground look fuller and we might retain a few of them for the 3/4 years they live here.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Oct 9, 2015 12:28:11 GMT 1
If you are in the take 10 scheme, surely you wouldn't use up 2 of your 10 games on the Forest and MK Dons games where you can get in very cheaply anyway?? I may be wrong but the joining fee is a one off thing isn't it? So you wouldn't need to pay that every season? So next season it would be roughly £20 each for 10 games? I agree it isn't a help to the very casual fan who might just want to watch a random game as a one off. But it is, or should be' a help to all these people claiming they'd go to quite a few games if it was cheaper. Well its there- so use it and stop making excuses! Agree with you about no categories etc to make the whole thing less confusing. But its hard to see round the fact that fans seem to be expecting Town to buy in better, more expensive players to entertain them and win more games, whilst at the same time charging our relatively small number of fans much less to watch them. No you pay each season. I bought one last season for £50 and renewed it this season at the same price, however for those new to the scheme who bought for the first time this season it went up to £60, meaning less saving.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 9, 2015 12:44:22 GMT 1
If you are in the take 10 scheme, surely you wouldn't use up 2 of your 10 games on the Forest and MK Dons games where you can get in very cheaply anyway?? I may be wrong but the joining fee is a one off thing isn't it? So you wouldn't need to pay that every season? So next season it would be roughly £20 each for 10 games? I agree it isn't a help to the very casual fan who might just want to watch a random game as a one off. But it is, or should be' a help to all these people claiming they'd go to quite a few games if it was cheaper. Well its there- so use it and stop making excuses! Agree with you about no categories etc to make the whole thing less confusing. But its hard to see round the fact that fans seem to be expecting Town to buy in better, more expensive players to entertain them and win more games, whilst at the same time charging our relatively small number of fans much less to watch them. captain, I admire you're stance on this, supporting the clubs current ticket pricing strategy, but most of the comments regarding simpler and less costly ticket pricing are aimed at bucking the trend of diminishing crowds. Hardly anybody has demanded better players whilst also wanting ticket prices to be slashed. The bottom line is this, if the club can afford to sustain season tickets and take 10 schemes, where entry is sub £20, why can't they also simplify the pricing categories and offers so more people can decide to come for closer to £20 than the current cost of £30 or more in some instances. A business without customers will go out of business. Maybe Im not getting my point over very clearly, because Im not really 'supporting' the clubs pricing stategy- just of the opinion that its pretty unavoidable. You say hardly anyone is demanding better players ( ie- winning, more attractive football) - well you aren't new to DATM so not sure how you can say that. There must have been 20,000 posts saying that this season alone! The same posters are also saying it should be made much cheaper to get in. Diminishing crowds is a huge issue for the club and must frustrate the hell out of everyone at the club, especially in an era when we are actually doing well for a change. If price is the issue, my point is that , yes, the club can do some things better ( simplifying it all, ending category games etc) , but its also fair to point out they have already done things to help- our season ticket prices are cheap for this level- our pay on door prices are cheap for this level, the Take 10 scheme, promotional games etc. If price is still the issue, then its hard to see how the club can do more and STILL compete at this level. We have one of the smallest fanbases and apparently should be the cheapest by some way too? Yet still compete financially? Oh and also not sell any of our better players aswell? It just doesn't add up. And yes i know none of that is a solution to the issue of falling crowds- but neither is making us uncompetitive, because crowds will only fall further if we lose all the time, no matter how cheap it is. The only solution I can see involves ALL clubs reducing prices simultaneously. Not something I can see happening any time soon sadly.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 9, 2015 12:48:14 GMT 1
If you are in the take 10 scheme, surely you wouldn't use up 2 of your 10 games on the Forest and MK Dons games where you can get in very cheaply anyway?? I may be wrong but the joining fee is a one off thing isn't it? So you wouldn't need to pay that every season? So next season it would be roughly £20 each for 10 games? I agree it isn't a help to the very casual fan who might just want to watch a random game as a one off. But it is, or should be' a help to all these people claiming they'd go to quite a few games if it was cheaper. Well its there- so use it and stop making excuses! Agree with you about no categories etc to make the whole thing less confusing. But its hard to see round the fact that fans seem to be expecting Town to buy in better, more expensive players to entertain them and win more games, whilst at the same time charging our relatively small number of fans much less to watch them. No you pay each season. I bought one last season for £50 and renewed it this season at the same price, however for those new to the scheme who bought for the first time this season it went up to £60, meaning less saving. Well thats probably something the club should look at then. Booking fees in general are a big turn off and leave a bad taste in the mouth. I rather they ( any business) just add it onto the fee rather than hiding it in a booking fee. I see no justification for having to join the scheme each year. Once you've joined- youve joined.
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