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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 20:14:42 GMT 1
Because there aren't enough pitchforks and general outrage on here right now. Is the manager coerced into his signings? If it doesn't work at Liverpool what does that say for Town? Where's Ross Wilson?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 20:15:32 GMT 1
Please, before your fury melts the Ethernet cables, I'm jesting(ish).
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Post by Pressing Appointment on Oct 7, 2015 20:17:48 GMT 1
Said it before and will say it again. Clibbens is a numbers monkey. Town wont progress while he is employed.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Oct 7, 2015 20:38:17 GMT 1
Please, before your fury melts the Ethernet cables, I'm jesting(ish). Leave my furry out of this!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 21:13:15 GMT 1
Maybe he's got his Danny Gee's and his Daniel Geey's mixed up.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Oct 7, 2015 21:14:16 GMT 1
Said it before and will say it again. Clibbens is a numbers monkey. Town wont progress while he is employed. Not done bad so far. (Although we do seem to be trying to do it by recreating the hare and the tortoise tale).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 21:27:57 GMT 1
Said it before and will say it again. Clibbens is a numbers monkey. Town wont progress while he is employed. You'd certainly hope so, with him being an accountant. No way will Andyeastleake be able to resist this thread...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 21:47:23 GMT 1
Said it before and will say it again. Clibbens is a numbers monkey. Town wont progress while he is employed. My concern with Clibbens is the fact that he thinks football ticket pricing is inelastic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 22:03:35 GMT 1
Said it before and will say it again. Clibbens is a numbers monkey. Town wont progress while he is employed. My concern with Clibbens is the fact that he thinks football ticket pricing is inelastic. My concern is that Clibbens even still refers to price inelasticity. It's usually the preserve of the first year economics A level student. C'mon, Nige - move on to behavioural economics. All this stuff you keep trotting out has been proven to be bunk for decades.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 7, 2015 22:05:37 GMT 1
Said it before and will say it again. Clibbens is a numbers monkey. Town wont progress while he is employed. Really? He started being employed in 2008. We were mid table League 1 with a squad worth almost nothing and owned no ground or training facilities. Number monkey or not, its nonsense to say we haven't progressed while hes been employed. Id also say most similar sized clubs would dream of doing the transfer business Town have done over the past few seasons and Clibbens plays a role in that.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 7, 2015 22:11:12 GMT 1
Said it before and will say it again. Clibbens is a numbers monkey. Town wont progress while he is employed. Really? He started being employed in 2008. We were mid table League 1 with a squad worth almost nothing and owned no ground or training facilities. Number monkey or not, its nonsense to say we haven't progressed while hes been employed. Id also say most similar sized clubs would dream of doing the transfer business Town have done over the past few seasons and Clibbens plays a role in that. captain he has been an accountant for a business losing millions? when you lose millions cutting back and still losing a shitload isnt too hard.. making millions and cutting overheads is the tough one..
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Post by shawsie on Oct 7, 2015 22:38:35 GMT 1
Really? He started being employed in 2008. We were mid table League 1 with a squad worth almost nothing and owned no ground or training facilities. Number monkey or not, its nonsense to say we haven't progressed while hes been employed. Id also say most similar sized clubs would dream of doing the transfer business Town have done over the past few seasons and Clibbens plays a role in that. captain he has been an accountant for a business losing millions? when you lose millions cutting back and still losing a shitload isnt too hard.. making millions and cutting overheads is the tough one.. With respect galpharm, clibbens has overseen an uplift in partner income, a recent reduction in the club wage bill which hasnt coincided in a fall in our fortunes on the pitch and receipt of transfer income of well in excess of 15m in the last 3/4 years. Thats not a bad resume imho. By all means criticise some aspects of his tenure eg ticket pricing, poor marketing etc but the club is making progress - itsnot as quick or as exciting as many would like, but its still progress nevertheless.
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Post by SN0W on Oct 7, 2015 22:46:43 GMT 1
....but can he score goals?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 22:56:33 GMT 1
Said it before and will say it again. Clibbens is a numbers monkey. Town wont progress while he is employed. Really? He started being employed in 2008. We were mid table League 1 with a squad worth almost nothing and owned no ground or training facilities. Number monkey or not, its nonsense to say we haven't progressed while hes been employed. Id also say most similar sized clubs would dream of doing the transfer business Town have done over the past few seasons and Clibbens plays a role in that. True enough, but he's also one of the main reasons for the scandalous ticket pricing that has come into force, which in turn has pushed hundreds if not thousands of fans away. He also thinks that Town have a solid fanbase of 10,000 that will turn up regardless of price, how wrong that is proving to be. He may be a good numbers man, but the fact is that it is scary just how far out of touch he is with what is needed to get fans back through the turnstiles at this club. Even more worrying is that he appears to be paying little or no attention to what the situation is 'on the ground', the very reason the ATT panel was set up was so that the man himself could hear directly from the fans exactly what is needed, he appears to show little or no genuine interest to what is being said to him, so what was a good initiative has now become somewhat of a farce. He may have had a hand in our transfer successes, but it's not like he scouted and identified the likes of Rhodes, Pilks, Butterfield, etc, and I'm almost certain that we'd have still received the money we did for those players if someone else with a reasonable degree of competency was in the role he is. Just my opinion but at the moment he is causing this club more harm than good. It's going to cost hundreds of thousands to get back those fans that were lost through his shambolic pricing structure.
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Post by detox on Oct 7, 2015 23:13:22 GMT 1
Really? He started being employed in 2008. We were mid table League 1 with a squad worth almost nothing and owned no ground or training facilities. Number monkey or not, its nonsense to say we haven't progressed while hes been employed. Id also say most similar sized clubs would dream of doing the transfer business Town have done over the past few seasons and Clibbens plays a role in that. True enough, but he's also one of the main reasons for the scandalous ticket pricing that has come into force, which in turn has pushed hundreds if not thousands of fans away. He also thinks that Town have a solid fanbase of 10,000 that will turn up regardless of price, how wrong that is proving to be. He may be a good numbers man, but the fact is that it is scary just how far out of touch he is with what is needed to get fans back through the turnstiles at this club. Even more worrying is that he appears to be paying little or no attention to what the situation is 'on the ground', the very reason the ATT panel was set up was so that the man himself could hear directly from the fans exactly what is needed, he appears to show little or no genuine interest to what is being said to him, so what was a good initiative has now become somewhat of a farce. He may have had a hand in our transfer successes, but it's not like he scouted and identified the likes of Rhodes, Pilks, Butterfield, etc, and I'm almost certain that we'd have still received the money we did for those players if someone else with a reasonable degree of competency was in the role he is. Just my opinion but at the moment he is causing this club more harm than good. It's going to cost hundreds of thousands to get back those fans that were lost through his shambolic pricing structure. has the ATT become a farce ? From the outside there seems very little news, activity or outcome ..but that was just a perception.
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 7, 2015 23:14:25 GMT 1
We're doing the best we've done for something like 15 years (and realistically more like 40 years) but apparently people on here know how to do it better.... Got to love HTAFC
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 23:18:39 GMT 1
We're doing the best we've done for something like 15 years (and realistically more like 40 years) but apparently people on here know how to do it better.... Got to love HTAFC In fairness, the criticisms on this thread are about attendances and what the club is doing. Do you think our current attendance is nothing to worry about?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 23:21:40 GMT 1
True enough, but he's also one of the main reasons for the scandalous ticket pricing that has come into force, which in turn has pushed hundreds if not thousands of fans away. He also thinks that Town have a solid fanbase of 10,000 that will turn up regardless of price, how wrong that is proving to be. He may be a good numbers man, but the fact is that it is scary just how far out of touch he is with what is needed to get fans back through the turnstiles at this club. Even more worrying is that he appears to be paying little or no attention to what the situation is 'on the ground', the very reason the ATT panel was set up was so that the man himself could hear directly from the fans exactly what is needed, he appears to show little or no genuine interest to what is being said to him, so what was a good initiative has now become somewhat of a farce. He may have had a hand in our transfer successes, but it's not like he scouted and identified the likes of Rhodes, Pilks, Butterfield, etc, and I'm almost certain that we'd have still received the money we did for those players if someone else with a reasonable degree of competency was in the role he is. Just my opinion but at the moment he is causing this club more harm than good. It's going to cost hundreds of thousands to get back those fans that were lost through his shambolic pricing structure. has the ATT become a farce ? From the outside there seems very little news, activity or outcome ..but that was just a perception. Farce may have been a bit OTT from me, but it certainly seems that it isn't fulfilling the purpose for which it was put together, and it certainly isn't the ATT panel (fans) that are failing to live up to their end of the deal.
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Oct 7, 2015 23:31:23 GMT 1
....but can he score goals? Maybe not but judging by the video Town uploaded today, his son can!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 23:32:31 GMT 1
We're doing the best we've done for something like 15 years (and realistically more like 40 years) but apparently people on here know how to do it better.... Got to love HTAFC Nobody is saying they know how to do it better, but the fact is that the people who should know how to do it better and are in the position to do so, simply are not. For all the 50k P/W players, Sky TV deals, rich Arab chairmen, the most important people in Football are the fans, without us Professional Football does not exist. For a Club such as ours, it is imperative that we gain and keep every single person that shows even a glint of interest in watching Huddersfield Town, for that to happen the powers that be simply have to give undivided attention to what the fans (customers) of HTAFC are saying, especially when they vote with their feet. Right now that is simply not happening, but hopefully it will change before even more decide that enough is enough.
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 7, 2015 23:37:12 GMT 1
We're doing the best we've done for something like 15 years (and realistically more like 40 years) but apparently people on here know how to do it better.... Got to love HTAFC In fairness, the criticisms on this thread are about attendances and what the club is doing. Do you think our current attendance is nothing to worry about? Not particularly, I think it's symptomatic of a larger trend in football in the lower leagues and not specific to us. I'd like us to be pro active and come up with a unique way of getting the punters in but I think the first step would be those that 'support' the club realising actually how good things are and spreading the word
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 23:43:59 GMT 1
In fairness, the criticisms on this thread are about attendances and what the club is doing. Do you think our current attendance is nothing to worry about? Not particularly, I think it's symptomatic of a larger trend in football in the lower leagues and not specific to us. I'd like us to be pro active and come up with a unique way of getting the punters in but I think the first step would be those that 'support' the club realising actually how good things are and spreading the word Problem is Clibbens is so married to his inelastic mantra (which assumes that football supporters are just economic optimal decision-making machines) we don't go down that path. He really should read a Jon Spoelstra book.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 23:53:42 GMT 1
I think they are listening to the customers, now at least, although a lot of the damage has been done. Impossible to say whether it's Clibbens that's made the mistakes or is the one that's listening now. NSL has undoubtedly been hit by idiotic pricing and charges. £100 more than last season and actually charging folk to swap stands when they are required to. Charge now removed but it will have got people's backs up when it came to deciding whether to renew or where to sit. On the day increases and removal of age ranges certainly hits the income too, sometimes now removed, sometimes not. How the hell you can charge and adult and a kid £8.50 more if they decide at the last minute to attend a game is beyond me. Moronic. Finally charging someone £10 to sit in a seat for one game and £35 to sit in exactly the same seat for the next game. Do they not realise how stupid that sounds? Chuck all the weight behind promoting the offer and hide the fact that the game afterwards is an absolutely ridiculous price.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 0:05:56 GMT 1
A footballing CEO should have a background of working within the sporting world or at least understanding the base they have to work with. Does NC have these qualities? No. Has NC been responsible for some of the bad press/alienation of football fans the club have got over the last few years? Yes.
Hoyle may well trust him but from what I've seen and heard, he ain't the man for me.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 8, 2015 0:21:15 GMT 1
Really? He started being employed in 2008. We were mid table League 1 with a squad worth almost nothing and owned no ground or training facilities. Number monkey or not, its nonsense to say we haven't progressed while hes been employed. Id also say most similar sized clubs would dream of doing the transfer business Town have done over the past few seasons and Clibbens plays a role in that. True enough, but he's also one of the main reasons for the scandalous ticket pricing that has come into force, which in turn has pushed hundreds if not thousands of fans away. He also thinks that Town have a solid fanbase of 10,000 that will turn up regardless of price, how wrong that is proving to be. He may be a good numbers man, but the fact is that it is scary just how far out of touch he is with what is needed to get fans back through the turnstiles at this club. Even more worrying is that he appears to be paying little or no attention to what the situation is 'on the ground', the very reason the ATT panel was set up was so that the man himself could hear directly from the fans exactly what is needed, he appears to show little or no genuine interest to what is being said to him, so what was a good initiative has now become somewhat of a farce. He may have had a hand in our transfer successes, but it's not like he scouted and identified the likes of Rhodes, Pilks, Butterfield, etc, and I'm almost certain that we'd have still received the money we did for those players if someone else with a reasonable degree of competency was in the role he is. Just my opinion but at the moment he is causing this club more harm than good. It's going to cost hundreds of thousands to get back those fans that were lost through his shambolic pricing structure. re ticket prices- you're blaming Nigel Clibbens for something that has been going on throughout english football for many years at all clubs across the board. OUR 'scandelous ticket pricing' is just a reflection of the way the game is and indeed ours are actually on the low side compared to our competitors.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 0:25:28 GMT 1
I think they are listening to the customers, now at least, although a lot of the damage has been done. Impossible to say whether it's Clibbens that's made the mistakes or is the one that's listening now. NSL has undoubtedly been hit by idiotic pricing and charges. £100 more than last season and actually charging folk to swap stands when they are required to. Charge now removed but it will have got people's backs up when it came to deciding whether to renew or where to sit. On the day increases and removal of age ranges certainly hits the income too, sometimes now removed, sometimes not. How the hell you can charge and adult and a kid £8.50 more if they decide at the last minute to attend a game is beyond me. Moronic. Finally charging someone £10 to sit in a seat for one game and £35 to sit in exactly the same seat for the next game. Do they not realise how stupid that sounds? Chuck all the weight behind promoting the offer and hide the fact that the game afterwards is an absolutely ridiculous price. You hit the nail on the head in your opening line. Yes the club are looking to increase the number of matchday offers, but as you say the damage has been done, and it's going to cost a hell of a lot of money to get back those supporters who feel they've been shafted by the club. Regardless of whether we stay up or go down I think it's going to take a BIG gesture on ST's next season to get back to averaging 14000+. If Clibbens is as good with numbers as he's supposed to he, then he needs to find a balance between squad investment and subsidised season tickets, whether we can do that will remain to be seen.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 8, 2015 0:28:20 GMT 1
Really? He started being employed in 2008. We were mid table League 1 with a squad worth almost nothing and owned no ground or training facilities. Number monkey or not, its nonsense to say we haven't progressed while hes been employed. Id also say most similar sized clubs would dream of doing the transfer business Town have done over the past few seasons and Clibbens plays a role in that. captain he has been an accountant for a business losing millions? when you lose millions cutting back and still losing a shitload isnt too hard.. making millions and cutting overheads is the tough one.. The only way this club wouldn't be losing millions would be to have a player wage bill so low that we wouldn't be able to compete at all in the championship. Fortunately the owner has decided thats not an option and is willing to stand those losses. What the club has been able to do to soften some of the blow to the owner is to do some spectacularly good business in the transfer market whilst still steadily progressing in an upwards direction on the pitch, and Clibbens should take some of the credit for that.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 8, 2015 0:29:42 GMT 1
We're doing the best we've done for something like 15 years (and realistically more like 40 years) but apparently people on here know how to do it better.... Got to love HTAFC Nobody is saying they know how to do it better, but the fact is that the people who should know how to do it better and are in the position to do so, simply are not. For all the 50k P/W players, Sky TV deals, rich Arab chairmen, the most important people in Football are the fans, without us Professional Football does not exist. For a Club such as ours, it is imperative that we gain and keep every single person that shows even a glint of interest in watching Huddersfield Town, for that to happen the powers that be simply have to give undivided attention to what the fans (customers) of HTAFC are saying, especially when they vote with their feet. Right now that is simply not happening, but hopefully it will change before even more decide that enough is enough. Its a tricky one. I've met him and chatted to him a few times on train platforms, outside away grounds etc. He seems like a decent bloke well in touch with fans and happy to chat about the game etc. Then you see him in some of these presentations and you see a bit of paranoia about DATM / social media. Then you see the daft pricing policy and wonder how a sensible couple of blokes like Clibbens and Hoyle could have come up with it - or can't think out a better policy. You are basically spot on they need to "gain and keep every single person that shows even a glint of interest in watching Huddersfield Town" Sometimes it seems 2+2=5.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 0:39:40 GMT 1
True enough, but he's also one of the main reasons for the scandalous ticket pricing that has come into force, which in turn has pushed hundreds if not thousands of fans away. He also thinks that Town have a solid fanbase of 10,000 that will turn up regardless of price, how wrong that is proving to be. He may be a good numbers man, but the fact is that it is scary just how far out of touch he is with what is needed to get fans back through the turnstiles at this club. Even more worrying is that he appears to be paying little or no attention to what the situation is 'on the ground', the very reason the ATT panel was set up was so that the man himself could hear directly from the fans exactly what is needed, he appears to show little or no genuine interest to what is being said to him, so what was a good initiative has now become somewhat of a farce. He may have had a hand in our transfer successes, but it's not like he scouted and identified the likes of Rhodes, Pilks, Butterfield, etc, and I'm almost certain that we'd have still received the money we did for those players if someone else with a reasonable degree of competency was in the role he is. Just my opinion but at the moment he is causing this club more harm than good. It's going to cost hundreds of thousands to get back those fans that were lost through his shambolic pricing structure. re ticket prices- you're blaming Nigel Clibbens for something that has been going on throughout english football for many years at all clubs across the board. OUR 'scandelous ticket pricing' is just a reflection of the way the game is and indeed ours are actually on the low side compared to our competitors. But somebody is going to have to buck the trend eventually, so why not us? I accept that we can Ill afford to dish out £100 season tickets, but it doesn't take a high level account to figure out that we've cocked up big time on following the pricing trend. He's got it wrong Slapps and there's no two ways about it, he thought that folk would still come through the gate with an extra £3 or £4 on top of matchday price, and then pissing about all those that wanted to go in the South stand for the first game. Fair enough the SS transfer issue was sorted out almost straight away, and I'm led to believe that there are more Matchday ticket offers in the pipeline, but it's all damage limitation now, those fans that got pissed off in the first place haven't come back and probably won't this season. So basically we've lost numbers, and had to go back to cheaper tickets anyway. It was a lose/lose situation from that start and it was down to him paying naff all attention to what was actually happening in the stands, nothing to do with the rest of football.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 0:44:27 GMT 1
Nobody is saying they know how to do it better, but the fact is that the people who should know how to do it better and are in the position to do so, simply are not. For all the 50k P/W players, Sky TV deals, rich Arab chairmen, the most important people in Football are the fans, without us Professional Football does not exist. For a Club such as ours, it is imperative that we gain and keep every single person that shows even a glint of interest in watching Huddersfield Town, for that to happen the powers that be simply have to give undivided attention to what the fans (customers) of HTAFC are saying, especially when they vote with their feet. Right now that is simply not happening, but hopefully it will change before even more decide that enough is enough. Its a tricky one. I've met him and chatted to him a few times on train platforms, outside away grounds etc. He seems like a decent bloke well in touch with fans and happy to chat about the game etc. Then you see him in some of these presentations and you see a bit of paranoia about DATM / social media. Then you see the daft pricing policy and wonder how a sensible couple of blokes like Clibbens and Hoyle could have come up with it - or can't think out a better policy. You are basically spot on they need to "gain and keep every single person that shows even a glint of interest in watching Huddersfield Town" Sometimes it seems 2+2=5. I've had the Same experience as you mate, I chatted with him on the train back from Ipswich last season and he was happy to discuss allsorts and was thoroughly decent, but when it comes to judging the fanbase on the larger scale he just seems to be totally out of touch. I suspect that's why DH placed him on the ATT, to give him a bit more education as to what was happening on the ground.
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