Boyle Sub

[Giggity]

Lost us the game. Anyone know why Wagner brought him on and even swapped formation to accommodate him?

[C.H]

Feb 6, 2016 21:44:36 GMT 1 Giggity said:

Lost us the game. Anyone know why Wagner brought him on and even swapped formation to accommodate him?

Maybe wanted a point midfielder off defender on point to stop the defeats??

[Deleted]

Feb 6, 2016 21:44:36 GMT 1 Giggity said:

Lost us the game. Anyone know why Wagner brought him on and even swapped formation to accommodate him?

It'll be one of them decisions that the fans remember a la Robins brining Lolley on for his debut when we were 5-1 down at Leeds

[Giggity]

I know Boyle fucked up for the goal but I Just thought it was strange to switch from a formation that had served us so well throughout the game. Preston were posing little threat yet Wagner threw on an extra CB.

[Deleted]

I'm guessing he was going for the win. We have no strikers to bring on, so he tried to change the back 4 to a 3 and push Smith and Husband forward. He couldn't do much else after already taking Lolley and Bunn off for our new attacking wingers.

Unfortunately we only had an inexperienced youth player to bring on as the third centre back. It didn't work.

I blame the squad size rather than Wagner.

[wtd]

Feb 6, 2016 22:16:56 GMT 1 Giggity said:

I know Boyle fucked up for the goal but I Just thought it was strange to switch from a formation that had served us so well throughout the game. Preston were posing little threat yet Wagner threw on an extra CB.

I have to agree. If you are bringing on someone with Hudson's experience then I can see where you're coming from... but not a rooky at that stage in the game. For me, he got it wrong. He'll learn, though. Part of his own process.

[gledholt terrier]

Feb 6, 2016 22:24:04 GMT 1 @clappyhapper said:

I'm guessing he was going for the win. We have no strikers to bring on, so he tried to change the back 4 to a 3 and push Smith and Husband forward. He couldn't do much else after already taking Lolley and Bunn off for our new attacking wingers.

Unfortunately we only had an inexperienced youth player to bring on as the third centre back. It didn't work.

I blame the squad size rather than Wagner.

He was going for the point. He's said so.

[Mastercracker]

Thought it was to get 3 cb's on because all Preston could do was spam the box. Didn't work from that aspect either though! Easy with hindsight.

[Deleted]

Feb 6, 2016 22:30:59 GMT 1 gledholt terrier said:

Feb 6, 2016 22:24:04 GMT 1 @clappyhapper said:

I'm guessing he was going for the win. We have no strikers to bring on, so he tried to change the back 4 to a 3 and push Smith and Husband forward. He couldn't do much else after already taking Lolley and Bunn off for our new attacking wingers.

Unfortunately we only had an inexperienced youth player to bring on as the third centre back. It didn't work.

I blame the squad size rather than Wagner.

He was going for the point. He's said so.

By going from a back 4 to a back 3?
Seems an odd way of going for the draw.

[H7]

He explained in his interview with Oggy. We had accepted we were only going to get a point and because Prestons only possible threat were high balls into the box Boyle was put on to help defend them. Didn't work, Wagner will learn and we move on.

[griffa]

Feb 6, 2016 21:44:36 GMT 1 Giggity said:

Lost us the game. Anyone know why Wagner brought him on and even swapped formation to accommodate him?

A moment of complete madness - UTT.

[gledholt terrier]

Feb 6, 2016 22:42:54 GMT 1 @clappyhapper said:

Feb 6, 2016 22:30:59 GMT 1 gledholt terrier said:

He was going for the point. He's said so.

By going from a back 4 to a back 3?
Seems an odd way of going for the draw.

Well obviously he was just spinning like he normally does.

[ritchie]

Bad decision. In hindsight.

[Chips Longhorn]

My opinion is its Sod's law... I'm enthused that he trusts the kid to come on and do a job... He's shanked one.. It happens.. Our best defender Joel lynch shanked one into his own net he had been on the field 80 odd minutes.. Things happen.. You move on

[Deleted]

Feb 6, 2016 23:02:30 GMT 1 H7 said:

He explained in his interview with Oggy. We had accepted we were only going to get a point and because Prestons only possible threat were high balls into the box Boyle was put on to help defend them. Didn't work, Wagner will learn and we move on.

We didn't go for a back 5 though did we? We switched from a 4 to a 3.

Something appears to have been lost in the language barrier here.

[H7]

Feb 6, 2016 23:51:39 GMT 1 @clappyhapper said:

Feb 6, 2016 23:02:30 GMT 1 H7 said:

He explained in his interview with Oggy. We had accepted we were only going to get a point and because Prestons only possible threat were high balls into the box Boyle was put on to help defend them. Didn't work, Wagner will learn and we move on.

We didn't go for a back 5 though did we? We switched from a 4 to a 3.

Something appears to have been lost in the language barrier here.

Just reporting what Wagner said

[Frankiesleftpeg]

Boyle may given the ball away but their bloke still outjumped Lynch who seems to come out of this without any blame.

Wrong decision by Wagner all the same. Whitehead would have been a better option at that stage.

[gledholt terrier]

Feb 6, 2016 23:51:39 GMT 1 @clappyhapper said:

Feb 6, 2016 23:02:30 GMT 1 H7 said:

He explained in his interview with Oggy. We had accepted we were only going to get a point and because Prestons only possible threat were high balls into the box Boyle was put on to help defend them. Didn't work, Wagner will learn and we move on.

We didn't go for a back 5 though did we? We switched from a 4 to a 3.

Something appears to have been lost in the language barrier here.

Listen to the interview FFS. Clear as a bell.

[trailingleg]

Chris Powell proved time and again that going for a point with this team is suicide. Even Colin Powell couldn't help our defence. We just throw matches away - and other teams still look fitter towards the end.

[richyhtfc]

People complain when CP did not bring on the youth players now people are complaining when Wagner does it.

[Deleted]

Feb 7, 2016 2:51:09 GMT 1 gledholt terrier said:

Feb 6, 2016 23:51:39 GMT 1 @clappyhapper said:

We didn't go for a back 5 though did we? We switched from a 4 to a 3.

Something appears to have been lost in the language barrier here.

Listen to the interview FFS. Clear as a bell.

So what went wrong then?

Clearly the message never got through to the players, because KOR and Oggy seemed certain we'd switched to a back 3.

[Deleted]

Boyle on. Arse.
Painful.

[wtd]

Feb 7, 2016 10:56:47 GMT 1 richyhtfc said:

People complain when CP did not bring on the youth players now people are complaining when Wagner does it.

I don't think that's fair. People are simply questioning the timing of such an inexperienced players introduction. Surely you can see that's all folk are doing, rather than denying young players a chance.

[dugnet]

I think at the time of the decision it sort of made sense, PNE playing for set pieces and lumping the ball into the box. It was unfortunate in every sense but the fact is we didn't defend properly in the last 10mins in a game we could have won long before PNE scored.

All in all for all the great stuff we did we colletively gifted PNE the game.


Poor Boyle must feel awful, hope he comes back stronger.

It's all been said, we are lacking that extra quality.

[rothwellterrier]

If only Wins were analysed in so much detail as defeats, then wading through the threads on here wouldn't seem so much like pissing into the wind at times.

[Headless Chicken]

Feb 7, 2016 3:51:33 GMT 1 trailingleg said:

Chris Powell proved time and again that going for a point with this team is suicide. Even Colin Powell couldn't help our defence. We just throw matches away - and other teams still look fitter towards the end.

We run more yards earlier, so it is a risk.

However, sure I heard a stat we've scored the most goals in the last 15, pointing towards this not being the case.

[Deleted]

I'm surprised Boyle has featured around the first team so much. Kane looks like the one with all the potential

[wtd]

Feb 7, 2016 12:03:18 GMT 1 dugnet said:

I think at the time of the decision it sort of made sense, PNE playing for set pieces and lumping the ball into the box. It was unfortunate in every sense but the fact is we didn't defend properly in the last 10mins in a game we could have won long before PNE scored.

All in all for all the great stuff we did we colletively gifted PNE the game.


Poor Boyle must feel awful, hope he comes back stronger.

It's all been said, we are lacking that extra quality.

I disagree with you. Inexperience is the last thing you need in the 90th minute of such a game.

However, it's done... we learn and move on.

[impact]

Feb 7, 2016 12:07:25 GMT 1 Headless Chicken said:

Feb 7, 2016 3:51:33 GMT 1 trailingleg said:

Chris Powell proved time and again that going for a point with this team is suicide. Even Colin Powell couldn't help our defence. We just throw matches away - and other teams still look fitter towards the end.

We run more yards earlier, so it is a risk.

However, sure I heard a stat we've scored the most goals in the last 15, pointing towards this not being the case.

Thing is, we can't be far off conceding the most in the last 15.

[Headless Chicken]

Feb 7, 2016 12:48:09 GMT 1 impact said:

Feb 7, 2016 12:07:25 GMT 1 Headless Chicken said:

We run more yards earlier, so it is a risk.

However, sure I heard a stat we've scored the most goals in the last 15, pointing towards this not being the case.

Thing is, we can't be far off conceding the most in the last 15.

Maybe it's more to do with the attacking ethos then, i.e. Going for the win as most fans demanded, thus the game is stretched.