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Post by H7 on Feb 6, 2016 23:19:10 GMT 1
Completely fed up of this comment. We do not need a striker, far from it.
Nahki Wells has 11 league goals so far this season, the 5th most amount in the league (that's more than Jordan Rhodes, by the way). He is more than capable of leading the line and being the first choice striker in a team pushing the top half/play offs. We now have Hiwula who has obvious talent as a back up and to put pressure on Nahki which can only make him better.
Only 5 teams have scored more goals than us in the league us this season so far... FIVE. Yet we are in 17th position with a GD of -4. Why?
Because only 5 teams have let more goals in!
It couldn't be more clear that we need to invest in a defence this summer as a #1 priority. Our problem is not scoring goals it is conceding them. So can we change the tune from 'we need a striker' to 'we need a bloody defence!'
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Post by Der Blitzbomber on Feb 6, 2016 23:21:21 GMT 1
Post of the day/week/month/season...
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Post by kennyk2 on Feb 6, 2016 23:24:32 GMT 1
Completely fed up of this comment. We do not need a striker, far from it. Nahki Wells has 11 league goals so far this season, the 5th most amount in the league (that's more than Jordan Rhodes, by the way). He is more than capable of leading the line and being the first choice striker in a team pushing the top half/play offs. We now have Hiwula who has obvious talent as a back up and to put pressure on Nahki which can only make him better. Only 5 teams have scored more goals than us in the league us this season so far... FIVE. Yet we are in 17th position with a GD of -4. Why? Because only 5 teams have let more goals in! It couldn't be more clear that we need to invest in a defence this summer as a #1 priority. Our problem is not scoring goals it is conceding them. So can we change the tune from 'we need a striker' to 'we need a bloody defence!' I think he may have 12 goals now. Yes defence is critical in the summer, but of course there will be many money teams bidding for Wells. So ironically we may also need a striker! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 23:24:28 GMT 1
Was saying the exact same to a friend after today's game. Wells, Bunn, Paterson, Lolley are all scoring pretty regularly, it's the fact we can't defend that's losing us games!
We've scored in all of the last 14 games but we don't win them because we always concede due to individual errors. How do you stop individual errors? You get better defenders in your team. We've scored more than Boro and they're 2nd! Scoring really isn't the problem.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Feb 6, 2016 23:24:58 GMT 1
Good pst, our defense is shit
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Post by johnbarnes on Feb 6, 2016 23:26:12 GMT 1
look its just not about defensive players,its the way you play the game,wagner style is high press(which i like)& so that gives teams opitons going forward when a pass goes astray, put jon terry in & it would'nt mean fuck all ,get real & understand thats how wagner will play football,what do you want to see  as i dont fucking get it!!!! |
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Post by kosi on Feb 6, 2016 23:27:10 GMT 1
New left and right back and centre half in an ideal world in the summer but we create that many chances that we bugger up that for me a striker is a big priority too. If wells gets injured then what!!?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 6, 2016 23:28:49 GMT 1
Without wanting to do our own players down .. where is the evidence for this "obvious talent " that Jordy Hiwula has ? He's struggled to get into wigans side scoring two league goals .. I just don't get where all the enthusiasm eminates from .. he may turn out to be a great player but has anyone actually seen any evidence of this obvious talent ?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 6, 2016 23:31:17 GMT 1
Bollocks, anyone who thinks we do not need another striker is clearly on mind bending drugs. We have ONE striker, we've got Hiwula bit he is unknown, Bojaj unknown. Seriously give your head a shake. We missed a stack of chances today, it can't be allowed to continue, its hurting us big time.
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Post by H7 on Feb 6, 2016 23:39:16 GMT 1
Bollocks, anyone who thinks we do not need another striker is clearly on mind bending drugs. We have ONE striker, we've got Hiwula bit he is unknown, Bojaj unknown. Seriously give your head a shake. We missed a stack of chances today, it can't be allowed to continue, its hurting us big time. Did you even read the post or any of the replies? We have scored more goals than Middlesbrough! Yes we need backup for Wells (which we have currently) and i have absolutely no doubt that we will bring in another in the summer. You will always get games where you miss loads of chances and don't get what you deserve i.e today, but the main problem is clearly our goals against column, or maybe it's the 'mind bending drugs' talking. |
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Post by Der Blitzbomber on Feb 6, 2016 23:39:26 GMT 1
Bollocks, anyone who thinks we do not need another striker is clearly on mind bending drugs. We have ONE striker, we've got Hiwula bit he is unknown, Bojaj unknown. Seriously give your head a shake. We missed a stack of chances today, it can't be allowed to continue, its hurting us big time. All players miss chances, whether they're a striker or not and whether they're Pele or Anthony Kay. Obviously if a good striker becomes available at the right price I'd want us to sign him but sorting the defence is more of a priority. |
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Post by ben1987 on Feb 6, 2016 23:42:08 GMT 1
I can see this thread getting trashed by the usual lot.
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Post by H7 on Feb 6, 2016 23:42:36 GMT 1
look its just not about defensive players,its the way you play the game,wagner style is high press(which i like)& so that gives teams opitons going forward when a pass goes astray, put jon terry in & it would'nt mean fuck all ,get real & understand thats how wagner will play football,what do you want to see as i dont fucking get it!!!! The style of play had absolutely no impact on the 2 poor goals we conceded today. The style of play didn't make us leave a man unmarked at the back post whose deflected shot went in. The style of play didn't make Boyle slice his clearance which lead to the 2nd goal where our other defenders got out jumped by someone smaller than them. In fact I can't remember the last time we conceded a goal where I thought 'that was because of how we play'... Maybe Hogg giving the ball away to McCormack? But even then that wasn't the style of play that was just an absolutely crap pass! |
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Post by H7 on Feb 6, 2016 23:43:11 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 23:43:41 GMT 1
Completely fed up of this comment. We do not need a striker, far from it. Nahki Wells has 11 league goals so far this season, the 5th most amount in the league (that's more than Jordan Rhodes, by the way). He is more than capable of leading the line and being the first choice striker in a team pushing the top half/play offs. We now have Hiwula who has obvious talent as a back up and to put pressure on Nahki which can only make him better. Only 5 teams have scored more goals than us in the league us this season so far... FIVE. Yet we are in 17th position with a GD of -4. Why? Because only 5 teams have let more goals in! It couldn't be more clear that we need to invest in a defence this summer as a #1 priority. Our problem is not scoring goals it is conceding them. So can we change the tune from 'we need a striker' to 'we need a bloody defence!' And what happens when he gets injured/suspended or tired from being out only credible striker, played week in week out for 90 minutes? Miller?  I'm not sure you've thought this through. We've just been lucky he hasn't been injured yet. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Feb 6, 2016 23:44:42 GMT 1
Bollocks, anyone who thinks we do not need another striker is clearly on mind bending drugs. We have ONE striker, we've got Hiwula bit he is unknown, Bojaj unknown. Seriously give your head a shake. We missed a stack of chances today, it can't be allowed to continue, its hurting us big time. Well said, all we reluy on is a kanckered wells. Lightweight in offensive play. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 23:47:30 GMT 1
Wells is a good player, no doubting that.
To think he can continue alone or play 90 minutes 50 odd times a season is bonkers.
We definitely need a striker.
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Post by ben1987 on Feb 6, 2016 23:47:42 GMT 1
I can see this thread getting trashed by the usual lot. Think it's already started... Here we go again..... |
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Post by H7 on Feb 6, 2016 23:52:55 GMT 1
Wells is a good player, no doubting that. To think he can continue alone or play 90 minutes 50 odd times a season is bonkers. We definitely need a striker. Nowhere have I or has anyone else said that. Everyone understands that we need more options up front. My point is that going on stats and performances in this season so far, goals and our attacking options are not a problem at all, our defence is. To all saying 'what happens if Wells gets injured?' - well no one knows! How do you know Hiwula won't bang in double what Wells does? It's just guess work and pure speculation. What we need to do is look at the FACTS this season so far and not come to conclusions or make decisions based on something that may or may not happen. And the facts say we need to strengthen in defence. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 23:58:07 GMT 1
Wells is a good player, no doubting that. To think he can continue alone or play 90 minutes 50 odd times a season is bonkers. We definitely need a striker. Nowhere have I or has anyone else said that. Everyone understands that we need more options up front. My point is that going on stats and performances in this season so far, goals and our attacking options are not a problem at all, our defence is. To all saying 'what happens if Wells gets injured?' - well no one knows! How do you know Hiwula won't bang in double what Wells does? It's just guess work and pure speculation. What we need to do is look at the FACTS this season so far and not come to conclusions or make decisions based on something that may or may not happen. And the facts say we need to strengthen in defence. I'm not saying we don't need to strengthen the defence. I'm saying we also need a striker. Miller - 1 goal Bojaj - 0 goals Hiwula - untested All teams need options to turn a game, rest a player or cover an injury. As it stands ours don't appear credible. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Feb 7, 2016 0:01:24 GMT 1
Defence has to be the priority but we've know this for 3 years and we still have the same problems.
We do need as striker though, not to replace Wells but to add competition and for rotation purposes.
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Post by H7 on Feb 7, 2016 0:07:39 GMT 1
Nowhere have I or has anyone else said that. Everyone understands that we need more options up front. My point is that going on stats and performances in this season so far, goals and our attacking options are not a problem at all, our defence is. To all saying 'what happens if Wells gets injured?' - well no one knows! How do you know Hiwula won't bang in double what Wells does? It's just guess work and pure speculation. What we need to do is look at the FACTS this season so far and not come to conclusions or make decisions based on something that may or may not happen. And the facts say we need to strengthen in defence. I'm not saying we don't need to strengthen the defence. I'm saying we also need a striker. Miller - 1 goal Bojaj - 0 goals Hiwula - untested All teams need options to turn a game, rest a player or cover an injury. As it stands ours don't appear credible. You can't score if you don't play so those stats are a misrepresentation... I feel like we have good attacking options, matmour Manu Dempsey all on the bench today. Hiwula will be next week I imagine. Look even without Wells goals we've scored the same amount as Leeds and more than 5 others still. Yes he may get injured but until he does no one can say we would be fxxcked because it's not happened. The point is defence has been the issue so far this season. |
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Post by htfcblue on Feb 7, 2016 0:15:06 GMT 1
Of course a striker is needed, if not to play alongside Wells, then at least to provide cover/competition Wells cant do it all on his own. Out of interest what is wells' conversion rate? A question for the stattos out there? UTT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 0:16:29 GMT 1
To clarify my post and what I think Harris7 is trying to say...we do need back up for Wells, he can't be the only member of the squad who can play that role. However, we score more goals than most teams in this league because we are lucky to have other players who score as well as Nahki. The problem we have is our defence is among the bottom 5 in the league. That's the main problem.
Yes if we took every single chance every game we'd always win...but wouldn't every team?! No team in the world scores 5 goals every game! Our problem is we usually concede more than 1 a game so even if we do take most of our chances we'll still only draw!
My number 1 priority in summer would be to spend good money on a good championship centre back to play alongside Lynch.
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Post by dan9 on Feb 7, 2016 0:22:54 GMT 1
Completely fed up of this comment. We do not need a striker, far from it. Nahki Wells has 11 league goals so far this season, the 5th most amount in the league (that's more than Jordan Rhodes, by the way). He is more than capable of leading the line and being the first choice striker in a team pushing the top half/play offs. We now have Hiwula who has obvious talent as a back up and to put pressure on Nahki which can only make him better. Only 5 teams have scored more goals than us in the league us this season so far... FIVE. Yet we are in 17th position with a GD of -4. Why? Because only 5 teams have let more goals in! It couldn't be more clear that we need to invest in a defence this summer as a #1 priority. Our problem is not scoring goals it is conceding them. So can we change the tune from 'we need a striker' to 'we need a bloody defence!' Bet we sell wells in the summer |
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Post by dan9 on Feb 7, 2016 0:23:34 GMT 1
Completely fed up of this comment. We do not need a striker, far from it. Nahki Wells has 11 league goals so far this season, the 5th most amount in the league (that's more than Jordan Rhodes, by the way). He is more than capable of leading the line and being the first choice striker in a team pushing the top half/play offs. We now have Hiwula who has obvious talent as a back up and to put pressure on Nahki which can only make him better. Only 5 teams have scored more goals than us in the league us this season so far... FIVE. Yet we are in 17th position with a GD of -4. Why? Because only 5 teams have let more goals in! It couldn't be more clear that we need to invest in a defence this summer as a #1 priority. Our problem is not scoring goals it is conceding them. So can we change the tune from 'we need a striker' to 'we need a bloody defence!' Bet we sell wells in the summer |
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Post by H7 on Feb 7, 2016 0:25:33 GMT 1
To clarify my post and what I think Harris7 is trying to say...we do need back up for Wells, he can't be the only member of the squad who can play that role. However, we score more goals than most teams in this league because we are lucky to have other players who score as well as Nahki. The problem we have is our defence is among the bottom 5 in the league. That's the main problem. Yes if we took every single chance every game we'd always win...but wouldn't every team?! No team in the world scores 5 goals every game! Our problem is we usually concede more than 1 a game so even if we do take most of our chances we'll still only draw! My number 1 priority in summer would be to spend good money on a good championship centre back to play alongside Lynch. Yes precisely. Apparently hard to grasp for some on here. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 7, 2016 0:26:14 GMT 1
Bollocks, anyone who thinks we do not need another striker is clearly on mind bending drugs. We have ONE striker, we've got Hiwula bit he is unknown, Bojaj unknown. Seriously give your head a shake. We missed a stack of chances today, it can't be allowed to continue, its hurting us big time. Did you even read the post or any of the replies? We have scored more goals than Middlesbrough! Yes we need backup for Wells (which we have currently) and i have absolutely no doubt that we will bring in another in the summer. You will always get games where you miss loads of chances and don't get what you deserve i.e today, but the main problem is clearly our goals against column, or maybe it's the 'mind bending drugs' talking. This Middlesbrough comparison is ridiculous, tell you what I'd gladly swap places with Middlesbrough, they are Premier League bound whether we have scored more than them or not. Stay of the mind bending drugs mate. |
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Post by Sio on Feb 7, 2016 0:31:20 GMT 1
Did you even read the post or any of the replies? We have scored more goals than Middlesbrough! Yes we need backup for Wells (which we have currently) and i have absolutely no doubt that we will bring in another in the summer. You will always get games where you miss loads of chances and don't get what you deserve i.e today, but the main problem is clearly our goals against column, or maybe it's the 'mind bending drugs' talking. This Middlesbrough comparison is ridiculous, tell you what I'd gladly swap places with Middlesbrough, they are Premier League bound whether we have scored more than them or not. Stay of the mind bending drugs mate. You're absolutely off your rocker. The 'need a striker' comments are surely stemming from the belief that we don't score enough. We've scored more than Middlebrough, who surely score 'enough'. The problem is that we don't have Middlesbrough's defence, and thus highlighting where we need to genuinely strengthen. |
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Post by H7 on Feb 7, 2016 0:33:27 GMT 1
Did you even read the post or any of the replies? We have scored more goals than Middlesbrough! Yes we need backup for Wells (which we have currently) and i have absolutely no doubt that we will bring in another in the summer. You will always get games where you miss loads of chances and don't get what you deserve i.e today, but the main problem is clearly our goals against column, or maybe it's the 'mind bending drugs' talking. This Middlesbrough comparison is ridiculous, tell you what I'd gladly swap places with Middlesbrough, they are Premier League bound whether we have scored more than them or not. Stay of the mind bending drugs mate. Not sure if you've had a few or if you are genuinely slow? That's the whole point, Middlesbrough are prem bound having scored less goals than us... Because they don't concede as many as us... Because they have a good defence... Really isn't a hard concept to grasp. |
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