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Post by upthetown on Feb 13, 2016 23:33:48 GMT 1
Our owner wont back him and he will move on sorry i think hes doing a good job. just don't want to join in this love in, we have only won one in what 5? Really enjoying reading this thread then guess what you come along? Come on the turn around with these same players on performances has been nothing short of amazing. Yes I know we have not had the right results lately, but sometimes you really have to look at the full picture. As for Wagner moving on I some how doubt it as Deano will back him and Wagner likes the idea of building up something special which he should get time here to achieve unlike many other clubs out their who want success Yesterday! Richy is Chris Powell.
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Post by richyhtfc on Feb 13, 2016 23:38:08 GMT 1
Our owner wont back him and he will move on sorry i think hes doing a good job. just don't want to join in this love in, we have only won one in what 5? Really enjoying reading this thread then guess what you come along? Come on the turn around with these same players on performances has been nothing short of amazing. Yes I know we have not had the right results lately, but sometimes you really have to look at the full picture. As for Wagner moving on I some how doubt it as Deano will back him and Wagner likes the idea of building up something special which he should get time here to achieve unlike many other clubs out their who want success Yesterday! well i love it if we stop selling our best players and spend a little. that would be nice.
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Post by sapphireblue on Feb 13, 2016 23:39:26 GMT 1
Really enjoying reading this thread then guess what you come along? Come on the turn around with these same players on performances has been nothing short of amazing. Yes I know we have not had the right results lately, but sometimes you really have to look at the full picture. As for Wagner moving on I some how doubt it as Deano will back him and Wagner likes the idea of building up something special which he should get time here to achieve unlike many other clubs out their who want success Yesterday! Richy is Chris Powell. He's not that fucking interesting.
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Post by wtd on Feb 13, 2016 23:41:32 GMT 1
Doesn't it excite you the way he's getting a Huddersfield Town team playing? Yes we've had a poor run but generally his results have been good and his performances have been 90% fantastic. Enjoy it! I see town games very differently to most hear, middlesbrough is a fine example of that. I watched a team happy to sit back and let us pass it about at the back, and then counter us and grab a goal. There had they tactics spot on, while others thought we should of won. But like i say i think hes doing well, just dont want to join in the love fest. Middlesbrough were about his fourth game! And Forest, who did more homework on us than any other side they have faced this season (Dougie Freedman said so!) didn't get their tactics 'spot on', did they? So we can't be that easy to read and nullify!
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Post by Melc on Feb 13, 2016 23:46:55 GMT 1
Really enjoying reading this thread then guess what you come along? Come on the turn around with these same players on performances has been nothing short of amazing. Yes I know we have not had the right results lately, but sometimes you really have to look at the full picture. As for Wagner moving on I some how doubt it as Deano will back him and Wagner likes the idea of building up something special which he should get time here to achieve unlike many other clubs out their who want success Yesterday! well i love it if we stop selling our best players and spend a little. that would be nice. I was not aware Wagner had sold anyone! As for spending we missed that boat in the transfer window because Wagner decided to wait until the summer, now it might not have gone down well with you but the wait could be worth it come the summer?
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Post by richyhtfc on Feb 13, 2016 23:49:59 GMT 1
I see town games very differently to most hear, middlesbrough is a fine example of that. I watched a team happy to sit back and let us pass it about at the back, and then counter us and grab a goal. There had they tactics spot on, while others thought we should of won. But like i say i think hes doing well, just dont want to join in the love fest. Middlesbrough were about his fourth game! And Forest, who did more homework on us than any other side they have faced this season (Dougie Freedman said so!) didn't get their tactics 'spot on', did they? So we can't be that easy to read and nullify! I know its was his 4th game, just an example on how my opinion was different to most on hear.
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Post by richyhtfc on Feb 13, 2016 23:52:18 GMT 1
well i love it if we stop selling our best players and spend a little. that would be nice. I was not aware Wagner had sold anyone! As for spending we missed that boat in the transfer window because Wagner decided to wait until the summer, now it might not have gone down well with you but the wait could be worth it come the summer? I was not aware i said he did. Am on about our owner.
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 13, 2016 23:53:06 GMT 1
Doesn't it excite you the way he's getting a Huddersfield Town team playing? Yes we've had a poor run but generally his results have been good and his performances have been 90% fantastic. Enjoy it! I see town games very differently to most hear, middlesbrough is a fine example of that. I watched a team happy to sit back and let us pass it about at the back, and then counter us and grab a goal. There had they tactics spot on, while others thought we should of won. But like i say i think hes doing well, just dont want to join in the love fest. They were frantically trying to win the ball off us all match but couldn't get near us?? You're typical of the sort of pundit who forms their opinion based on result if you ask me. Clayton and Karanka .sp alluded that there was no game plan as you're proposing and that we simply surprised them with how good we were. They both looked/sounded relieved to have got anything out of the match.
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Post by runner76 on Feb 14, 2016 0:12:58 GMT 1
Freedman:
"It was as good a display as I have seen from an opposition side at the City Ground this season, so we will give them credit for that. But we will bounce back from this."
.....DW is definitely doing something right....
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Feb 14, 2016 0:21:16 GMT 1
Freedman: "It was as good a display as I have seen from an opposition side at the City Ground this season, so we will give them credit for that. But we will bounce back from this." .....DW is definitely doing something right.... Freedman had said before the game he knew of our style, he had been impressed with some of what we were doing and that he had prepared for the game today more then any other this season. It's nice to read and hear plaudits from other managers. It's nice we are getting the aknowledgment that Wagner and his players deserve. Wolves are on a wretched run of form so next week presents a very different test following a Forest side who were the form side in the country coming into today's game.
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Post by zoso on Feb 14, 2016 0:56:58 GMT 1
Really enjoying reading this thread then guess what you come along? Come on the turn around with these same players on performances has been nothing short of amazing. Yes I know we have not had the right results lately, but sometimes you really have to look at the full picture. As for Wagner moving on I some how doubt it as Deano will back him and Wagner likes the idea of building up something special which he should get time here to achieve unlike many other clubs out their who want success Yesterday! well i love it if we stop selling our best players and spend a little. that would be nice. Thought all this had been covered Richy? Dean made money available for DW, but he didn't want to use it..... yet. We got a brilliant result today, why not just enjoy the day? Looking forward to next Saturday already, try to be just a bit optimistic eh? Utt.
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Post by richyhtfc on Feb 14, 2016 1:17:34 GMT 1
well i love it if we stop selling our best players and spend a little. that would be nice. Thought all this had been covered Richy? Dean made money available for DW, but he didn't want to use it..... yet. We got a brilliant result today, why not just enjoy the day? Looking forward to next Saturday already, try to be just a bit optimistic eh? Utt. I have enjoyed the day Well actions speak louder then words, so we see if there is money in the summer.
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Post by zoso on Feb 14, 2016 1:25:54 GMT 1
Thought all this had been covered Richy? Dean made money available for DW, but he didn't want to use it..... yet. We got a brilliant result today, why not just enjoy the day? Looking forward to next Saturday already, try to be just a bit optimistic eh? Utt. I have enjoyed the day Well actions speak louder then words, so we see if there is money in the summer. Indeed they do I believe Dean Hoyle to be honest & a man of his word & he has said he will back DW. Good enough for me & I've a feeling I'm not alone Utt.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 1:56:43 GMT 1
Doesn't it excite you the way he's getting a Huddersfield Town team playing? Yes we've had a poor run but generally his results have been good and his performances have been 90% fantastic. Enjoy it! I see town games very differently to most hear, middlesbrough is a fine example of that. I watched a team happy to sit back and let us pass it about at the back, and then counter us and grab a goal. There had they tactics spot on, while others thought we should of won. But like i say i think hes doing well, just dont want to join in the love fest. Not sure that game is a good example. We missed some very good chances against Middlesborough.They were dominated, outplayed and fortunate to win. even their manager admitted that.
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Post by 5kippy on Feb 14, 2016 4:20:19 GMT 1
Does anyone know what 'the second line' is? He mentioned Forest only having chances from the second line, and how he has been telling Billing to shoot from the second line. Does he mean, from outside the penalty area? Or does he mean the Subbuteo shooting line? Dont know if this is right, but my dad once mentioned that the Subbuteo shooting line came from German football, where they experimented where you could only be offside beyond that line, rather than the halfway line that was adopted...dont know if thats right?! (but its kind of where Billing scores from). I think "The second line" he refers to is the next line of players after the strikers eg. midfielders/wingers/am's. So what he is actually saying is their strikers were nullified and their only chances came from their second line of attack (as was our 2nd goal).
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Feb 14, 2016 8:25:06 GMT 1
Does anyone know what 'the second line' is? He mentioned Forest only having chances from the second line, and how he has been telling Billing to shoot from the second line. Does he mean, from outside the penalty area? Or does he mean the Subbuteo shooting line? Dont know if this is right, but my dad once mentioned that the Subbuteo shooting line came from German football, where they experimented where you could only be offside beyond that line, rather than the halfway line that was adopted...dont know if thats right?! (but its kind of where Billing scores from). I think "The second line" he refers to is the next line of players after the strikers eg. midfielders/wingers/am's. So what he is actually saying is their strikers were nullified and their only chances came from their second line of attack (as was our 2nd goal). Indeed, I think when he says shooting "from the second line" he's translating too directly from German, i.e. schießen "aus der zweiten Reihe", which literally would be the second row, so in effect, yes, as you implied it's mostly a midfielder bringing the ball forward and having a shot from long range. The way Charlton and Beckenbauer played (sorry I'm revealing my age here) would be fine examples of how this works in a positive sense. Also, as far as Billing is concerned, it's good for Town that we have this option, because the opposition defence wouldn't know whether to come out and block him, thus opening up the defence slightly for an incisive pass into the forward line or letting him come forward and see the ball flying in the net (what a cracking goal that was!). So it's a great option to have someone like that. Think we'll need it next year, because most teams will inevitably be parking the bus big time next season - it's the only way they'll be able to steal points off us, I think. UTT
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Post by nicovaesen on Feb 14, 2016 9:41:02 GMT 1
Well youre seeing it wrong IMO. Boro weren't happy at all. They were clinging on and as much as they tried, unable to get any foothold in the game. It certainly wasn't their tactics to defend by the skin of their teeth, fail to keep the ball for more than a few seconds at a time and be totally dominated throughout, but then score with a huge deflection and add another on the break when we were piling forward near the end. It was a freak result and proof if ever it was needed that the best team doesn't always win in football. Great performance today. Got on top right from the start and but for a 10 minute spell mid 2nd half, we never looked like not being on top of the game. Thats away against a team bang on form and pushing for the play-offs! We had some cracking performances today. Hogg was immense, Lynch, Lolley too but in Billing we may have discovered a real player. Not just the goal but his overall performance oozed quality. And Smith, who has had more than his fair share of criticism on here, some justified and some not IMO. But today he was really good. defended well and had a hell of a lot of the ball and used it very well most of the time. And take into account (re the boro game) which I went too. That Wagner had only had two weeks with the team after Spain and the Wednesday game that their fitness was an issue. We tired towards the end which allowed boro with their experience to grab a second. After 25 years of watching town I've never come away from a defeat sometimes a win so happy with a performance and excitement for the next game. You could see that every player was/is committed to the new style of play. 100% overhaul on the Powell era!
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 14, 2016 10:08:42 GMT 1
"He's better than Klopp!"
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Feb 14, 2016 10:16:50 GMT 1
"He's better than Klopp!" That's slowly becoming a catchphrase
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 10:23:46 GMT 1
Freedman: "It was as good a display as I have seen from an opposition side at the City Ground this season, so we will give them credit for that. But we will bounce back from this." .....DW is definitely doing something right.... Freedman had said before the game he knew of our style, he had been impressed with some of what we were doing and that he had prepared for the game today more then any other this season. It's nice to read and hear plaudits from other managers. It's nice we are getting the aknowledgment that Wagner and his players deserve. Wolves are on a wretched run of form so next week presents a very different test following a Forest side who were the form side in the country coming into today's game. Wolves players are massively short on confidence, crowd on the managers back. They will camp in their own half and try to hit us on the break. Get the first goal and i think we couls give them a whooping to make up for the 4-1 last season
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Post by y2troy on Feb 14, 2016 10:55:14 GMT 1
Our owner wont back him and he will move on sorry i think hes doing a good job. just don't want to join in this love in, we have only won one in what 5? What 'love-in'? Folk are just chuffed that we've a Mgr that's changing the culture at the club & in turn that will reap its rewards... If you can't see that it's a culture change across the club then I don't think there's anything that'll get you out of whatever rut you're in... The culture change Wagner brings is also quite in harmony with Hoyles keenness to do this without going daft. Doesn't mean he won't back him, probably the total opposite when DH can see this bloke wants to build success as best he can from within... If you've a general downer on the Chairman then maybe you should consider a team that has a Chairman that throws money around like confetti. Might not be successful but at least he'll be a 'decent' Chairman eh... Not sure how old you are, but this club might just be on the cusp of something remarkable when compared with the last 40-odd yrs... We are on the verge of something big here as standard players under CP made to just get along with there football lives made to feel like couldnt do no more , now DW comes in changes tehre thinking philosophies and look at difference in players . Mention 1 win in 5 ,under CP we had terrible runs but sometimes we never looked like winning and where we knew the next win was coming and lets be honest the future looked bleak under that tenure. More importantly look how the fans feel now optimism and a buzz about the place and a possabilty of the wandering fans returning ,both of these points were impossible under previous regime.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 14, 2016 11:09:43 GMT 1
Really impressive result yesterday - well done to Wagner and the players
Wagner clearly is a great coach (we look well drilled), tactician (his use of subs are normally excellent) and man manager (noticeable improvement in many individuals)
Bit more work to do this season (50 point target and all that) then in the summer if Wagner (with the help of Webber) get the transfers right then we could be a top ten side
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Post by Marco4 on Feb 14, 2016 11:13:16 GMT 1
I think "The second line" he refers to is the next line of players after the strikers eg. midfielders/wingers/am's. So what he is actually saying is their strikers were nullified and their only chances came from their second line of attack (as was our 2nd goal). Indeed, I think when he says shooting "from the second line" he's translating too directly from German, i.e. schießen "aus der zweiten Reihe", which literally would be the second row, so in effect, yes, as you implied it's mostly a midfielder bringing the ball forward and having a shot from long range. The way Charlton and Beckenbauer played (sorry I'm revealing my age here) would be fine examples of how this works in a positive sense. Also, as far as Billing is concerned, it's good for Town that we have this option, because the opposition defence wouldn't know whether to come out and block him, thus opening up the defence slightly for an incisive pass into the forward line or letting him come forward and see the ball flying in the net (what a cracking goal that was!). So it's a great option to have someone like that. Think we'll need it next year, because most teams will inevitably be parking the bus big time next season - it's the only way they'll be able to steal points off us, I think. UTT Defending is easier when you know what you're up against, so in keeping Forest (effectively) at arm's length, Town were able to stifle their attacks before they really got going. I didn't go, but if the Tricky Trees mustered just that one speculative effort from the corner of the box, it speaks volumes about how well Town did at that. As for Billing, long range goals look good, but they're a rarity. He should have bought himself a bit of respect with that one and those threaded balls through you mention should be his aim for a bit, he'll find players closing him down to allow it - not always, but mostly.
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Feb 14, 2016 11:46:22 GMT 1
Our owner wont back him and he will move on sorry i think hes doing a good job. just don't want to join in this love in, we have only won one in what 5? Fucking hell. I mean, really, fucking hell. If that's how you feel after yesterday then life really must be a bitch.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Feb 14, 2016 11:50:33 GMT 1
Really impressive result yesterday - well done to Wagner and the players Wagner clearly is a great coach (we look well drilled), tactician (his use of subs are normally excellent) and man manager (noticeable improvement in many individuals) Bit more work to do this season (50 point target and all that) then in the summer if Wagner (with the help of Webber) get the transfers right then we could be a top ten side Most of the current top 10 are poor.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Feb 14, 2016 11:53:03 GMT 1
I think "The second line" he refers to is the next line of players after the strikers eg. midfielders/wingers/am's. So what he is actually saying is their strikers were nullified and their only chances came from their second line of attack (as was our 2nd goal). Indeed, I think when he says shooting "from the second line" he's translating too directly from German, i.e. schießen "aus der zweiten Reihe", which literally would be the second row, so in effect, yes, as you implied it's mostly a midfielder bringing the ball forward and having a shot from long range. The way Charlton and Beckenbauer played (sorry I'm revealing my age here) would be fine examples of how this works in a positive sense. Also, as far as Billing is concerned, it's good for Town that we have this option, because the opposition defence wouldn't know whether to come out and block him, thus opening up the defence slightly for an incisive pass into the forward line or letting him come forward and see the ball flying in the net (what a cracking goal that was!). So it's a great option to have someone like that. Think we'll need it next year, because most teams will inevitably be parking the bus big time next season - it's the only way they'll be able to steal points off us, I think. UTT So Alf & Matt was genepressing! Charlton was certainly a strange sort of midfield player.
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Post by mezz60 on Feb 14, 2016 11:58:06 GMT 1
Not sure if its been mentioned but there is a radio Leeds 1 hour special with David Wagner and Stuart Webber on Wednesday at 6pm Maybe our transfer policy (or lack of it in January) will be talked about during this.
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Post by richyhtfc on Feb 14, 2016 12:04:50 GMT 1
Our owner wont back him and he will move on sorry i think hes doing a good job. just don't want to join in this love in, we have only won one in what 5? Fucking hell. I mean, really, fucking hell. If that's how you feel after yesterday then life really must be a bitch. Or there is more to life then football. Sorry if individual results don't effect my mood that much, unless its something like a play off. And the good side of that, if we get batted like we have a thew times i don't get down over it.
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Post by zoso on Feb 14, 2016 12:24:24 GMT 1
Fucking hell. I mean, really, fucking hell. If that's how you feel after yesterday then life really must be a bitch. Or there is more to life then football. Sorry if individual results don't effect my mood that much, unless its something like a play off. And the good side of that, if we get batted like we have a thew times i don't get down over it. So then, it doesn't REALLY matter to you if Dean spends and backs DW (as you've previously mentioned) whether we get relegated or have a really good season, because its only a series of individual results... Hmmm Utt.
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Post by richyhtfc on Feb 14, 2016 12:35:42 GMT 1
Or there is more to life then football. Sorry if individual results don't effect my mood that much, unless its something like a play off. And the good side of that, if we get batted like we have a thew times i don't get down over it. So then, it doesn't REALLY matter to you if Dean spends and backs DW (as you've previously mentioned) whether we get relegated or have a really good season, because its only a series of individual results... Hmmm Utt. I would of not bothered in the slightest if we went down a year ago, with the price of season tickets going up. I nearly did not get one this year. Football as a whole is a joke, so yea i don't let it effect me that much.
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