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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Feb 14, 2016 12:56:59 GMT 1
Indeed, I think when he says shooting "from the second line" he's translating too directly from German, i.e. schießen "aus der zweiten Reihe", which literally would be the second row, so in effect, yes, as you implied it's mostly a midfielder bringing the ball forward and having a shot from long range. The way Charlton and Beckenbauer played (sorry I'm revealing my age here) would be fine examples of how this works in a positive sense. Also, as far as Billing is concerned, it's good for Town that we have this option, because the opposition defence wouldn't know whether to come out and block him, thus opening up the defence slightly for an incisive pass into the forward line or letting him come forward and see the ball flying in the net (what a cracking goal that was!). So it's a great option to have someone like that. Think we'll need it next year, because most teams will inevitably be parking the bus big time next season - it's the only way they'll be able to steal points off us, I think. UTT So Alf & Matt was genepressing! Charlton was certainly a strange sort of midfield player. Why do you think Bobby Charlton was a strange sort of midfield player? Surely he would have been a great "Gegenpresser" - Hard grafter wasn't he? Though I must admit I can't remember what his ball recovery rate was at the top end of the pitch. Still nags a bit when I recall Alf Ramsey taking him off when we were 2-0 up v Germany in the 1970 world cup quarter final and England then lost. They say Ramsey took him off to save his legs for the next game, can't remember if he really was tired, though. Plus I think Beckenbauer once said they'd have lost that game but for Charlton going off. Anyway, surely the fans will come flocking back soon when they're seeing what quality of player we're bringing through now - even though I don't want to be mentioning any young player in the same breathe as Chartlon and Beckenbauer - just yet!
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Post by rocky on Feb 14, 2016 12:59:36 GMT 1
Can only echo what most have said on here. When the opposition manager comes out with the comments he did, you know it was an excellent performance. Second half was a bit nervy, but that's only because we were only one up & concede so many late, crucial goals. Looking back, Forest didn't seem to create much even though they had a lot of the ball & Town looked dangerous on the break.
I must admit I've very much been in the camp of 'despite the good results, we're still going flirt with the relegation places', but the way Wagner has the team playing on a consistent basis now, the wins must surely come to avoid that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 13:35:55 GMT 1
What makes yesterday's result even more satisfying is remembering our first season back in the Championship, where we went there and shipped SIX goals.
And people say we're not progressing!
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Feb 14, 2016 13:44:31 GMT 1
Well youre seeing it wrong IMO. Boro weren't happy at all. They were clinging on and as much as they tried, unable to get any foothold in the game.It certainly wasn't their tactics to defend by the skin of their teeth, fail to keep the ball for more than a few seconds at a time and be totally dominated throughout, but then score with a huge deflection and add another on the break when we were piling forward near the end. It was a freak result and proof if ever it was needed that the best team doesn't always win in football. Great performance today. Got on top right from the start and but for a 10 minute spell mid 2nd half, we never looked like not being on top of the game. Thats away against a team bang on form and pushing for the play-offs! We had some cracking performances today. Hogg was immense, Lynch, Lolley too but in Billing we may have discovered a real player. Not just the goal but his overall performance oozed quality. And Smith, who has had more than his fair share of criticism on here, some justified and some not IMO. But today he was really good. defended well and had a hell of a lot of the ball and used it very well most of the time. Dont think we will see it the same they won 2-0? Thats a foothold imo. Well next 3 games are very winnable, lets see if we can be more consistent, because when we do ill start getting existed. I've been existed since Wagner arrived
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 14, 2016 13:45:14 GMT 1
What makes yesterday's result even more satisfying is remembering our first season back in the Championship, where we went there and shipped SIX goals. And people say we're not progressing! Also what makes yesterday result a little frustrating is that we list to a far worse team last week in Preston and a equally poor one in Cardiff. Its the inconsistency that drives us potty at times.
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Post by Marco4 on Feb 14, 2016 13:58:32 GMT 1
Dont think we will see it the same they won 2-0? Thats a foothold imo. Well next 3 games are very winnable, lets see if we can be more consistent, because when we do ill start getting existed. I've been existed since Wagner arrived I've existed since before then.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Feb 14, 2016 14:49:41 GMT 1
So Alf & Matt was genepressing! Charlton was certainly a strange sort of midfield player. Why do you think Bobby Charlton was a strange sort of midfield player? Surely he would have been a great "Gegenpresser" - Hard grafter wasn't he? Though I must admit I can't remember what his ball recovery rate was at the top end of the pitch. Still nags a bit when I recall Alf Ramsey taking him off when we were 2-0 up v Germany in the 1970 world cup quarter final and England then lost. They say Ramsey took him off to save his legs for the next game, can't remember if he really was tired, though. Plus I think Beckenbauer once said they'd have lost that game but for Charlton going off. Anyway, surely the fans will come flocking back soon when they're seeing what quality of player we're bringing through now - even though I don't want to be mentioning any young player in the same breathe as Chartlon and Beckenbauer - just yet! Maybe I should have said not a typical midfielder rather than a strange midfielder. I can't ever remember him making a tackle - but he had other great qualities. I remember the game in Mexico well. Great first half . Mullery played well and we were all over them. Seem to remember a couple of weak defensive headers from Brian Labone and either Bob McNab or a Terry Cooper. Bonnetti had to play in goal as well. Alf probably made the worst decision of his career taking Charlton off. Just stick with Gullit for the time being!
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Post by y2troy on Feb 14, 2016 17:44:14 GMT 1
I really cant wait for this team to blossom more under DW as we make silly mistakes granted to average teams then go win at an in form one , but thats Town for you flatter to decieve , untill gets the whole squad the way he wants there is gonna be ups and downs but at least we can turn up week in week out now enjoy our football with an expectation of winning EVERY game again .
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Post by sabailand on Feb 14, 2016 17:47:00 GMT 1
I love these kinds of threads,a similar thread last week and someone said we could be in the bottom three shortly,now its all good again,yes i know its the nature of being a football fan but some people do get over anxious!
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Post by gledholt terrier on Feb 14, 2016 23:49:33 GMT 1
Why do you think Bobby Charlton was a strange sort of midfield player? Surely he would have been a great "Gegenpresser" - Hard grafter wasn't he? Though I must admit I can't remember what his ball recovery rate was at the top end of the pitch. Still nags a bit when I recall Alf Ramsey taking him off when we were 2-0 up v Germany in the 1970 world cup quarter final and England then lost. They say Ramsey took him off to save his legs for the next game, can't remember if he really was tired, though. Plus I think Beckenbauer once said they'd have lost that game but for Charlton going off. Anyway, surely the fans will come flocking back soon when they're seeing what quality of player we're bringing through now - even though I don't want to be mentioning any young player in the same breathe as Chartlon and Beckenbauer - just yet! Maybe I should have said not a typical midfielder rather than a strange midfielder. I can't ever remember him making a tackle - but he had other great qualities. I remember the game in Mexico well. Great first half . Mullery played well and we were all over them. Seem to remember a couple of weak defensive headers from Brian Labone and either Bob McNab or a Terry Cooper. Bonnetti had to play in goal as well. Alf probably made the worst decision of his career taking Charlton off. Just stick with Gullit for the time being! I met Bob McNab in LA a couple of years ago over dinner (ooh, get her!). In his 70s and significantly fitter than me - not that it takes much. He said that Cooper was a better player and better full back but was struggling at the altitude - Bob remains convinced that if he had replaced him during the second half, England would have won (and it was said without any boasting whatsoever - he was just a more naturally fit bloke than Cooper). He also said that there were some England players smoking at half time!
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Post by EastCoastTerrier on Feb 14, 2016 23:52:06 GMT 1
So far so good, obviously made a clear positive impact. Even when results don't go our way fans are still leaving the ground satisfied with the performance and effort (perhaps excluding Cardiff). Hopefully the progress and positivity can last over a lot period of time, and as of yet still to see his dabbling a in the transfer market.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Feb 15, 2016 0:33:33 GMT 1
Maybe I should have said not a typical midfielder rather than a strange midfielder. I can't ever remember him making a tackle - but he had other great qualities. I remember the game in Mexico well. Great first half . Mullery played well and we were all over them. Seem to remember a couple of weak defensive headers from Brian Labone and either Bob McNab or a Terry Cooper. Bonnetti had to play in goal as well. Alf probably made the worst decision of his career taking Charlton off. Just stick with Gullit for the time being! I met Bob McNab in LA a couple of years ago over dinner (ooh, get her!). In his 70s and significantly fitter than me - not that it takes much. He said that Cooper was a better player and better full back but was struggling at the altitude - Bob remains convinced that if he had replaced him during the second half, England would have won (and it was said without any boasting whatsoever - he was just a more naturally fit bloke than Cooper). He also said that there were some England players smoking at half time! I once saw Frank Mcklintock subbed and light up in the dugout! Used to love watching Bob McNab.
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Feb 15, 2016 8:31:11 GMT 1
So then, it doesn't REALLY matter to you if Dean spends and backs DW (as you've previously mentioned) whether we get relegated or have a really good season, because its only a series of individual results... Hmmm Utt. I would of not bothered in the slightest if we went down a year ago, with the price of season tickets going up. I nearly did not get one this year. Football as a whole is a joke, so yea i don't let it effect me that much. ... so just not that arsed about Town at all really. That's fine, but why the need to come on here and burst folk's balloons? Just let us all be happy.
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Post by townrwe on Feb 15, 2016 8:43:06 GMT 1
I was happy from with the choice of wager as soon as I heard his first interview.
Yeah the geagenpressing is entertaining, but the one thing that always narked me, was even if we didn't have the talent, we could always have been the fittest team in the division. The team spent half their time at nandos under a succession of managers then onto tokyos until after 2-3am.
His focus on fitness and improvement really is inspirational. In 15 weeks the team has gone from needing a complete overhaul, to one or two minor tweaks.
In fact I saw someone saying they hope he doesn't bring in some bundasliega duds, no better than what we have..... A few weeks ago we were crying out for LB,CB,RB,LW AND SC. You could possibly add a DM to partner Whitehead.
Nahki has 7 goals in his last 10 and in my opinion that's only of a fraction of the improvement he has made and can make under wagner.
The good thing so far is that even though we can see the improvement the rest of football will continue to see us hovering near the bottom or mid table this year, So won't coming sniffing yet.
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Post by 5kippy on Feb 15, 2016 8:47:09 GMT 1
I was happy from with the choice of wager as soon as I heard his first interview. Yeah the geagenpressing is entertaining, but the one thing that always narked me, was That he didn't bring in 2 Dutch players!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 10:20:34 GMT 1
Credit to Wagner for sticking to his guns, and not resorting to a negative style. From the official site, pre-Forest:
Despite the run without a win, there is no question of Wagner changing Town’s playing style:
“For us, it’s totally clear that we stand behind our philosophy and identity. What we’re doing is a long term project; a long term idea. Everybody, me included, has the feeling that we’re on the way.
“For a long term idea, what you need is time. There will be some up and downs. We had some ups at Christmas and the New Year period; at the moment, when you look at the results, we have downs.
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Post by rubicon on Feb 15, 2016 11:23:25 GMT 1
Go one better than smoking in the dugout. Mid sixties, for some unknown reason, Tony Leighton was playing in goal in a Central League match, and in all honesty he had a ciggie whilst leaning on the goal post. Must have been a boring weekend, no idea why I went to a reserve game, and I don't remember any others. Or why Leighton was in goal, but he was known to do so in the first team when the keeper got injured.
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Post by townrwe on Feb 15, 2016 11:41:30 GMT 1
I was happy from with the choice of wager as soon as I heard his first interview. Yeah the geagenpressing is entertaining, but the one thing that always narked me, was That he didn't bring in 2 Dutch players! Ha, Just the one.
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Post by niggled on Feb 15, 2016 16:32:41 GMT 1
I see town games very differently to most hear, middlesbrough is a fine example of that. I watched a team happy to sit back and let us pass it about at the back, and then counter us and grab a goal. There had they tactics spot on, while others thought we should of won. But like i say i think hes doing well, just dont want to join in the love fest. Middlesbrough were about his fourth game! And Forest, who did more homework on us than any other side they have faced this season (Dougie Freedman said so!) didn't get their tactics 'spot on', did they? So we can't be that easy to read and nullify! Middlesboro were his second game, Wendy's his first.
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Post by wtd on Feb 15, 2016 16:39:22 GMT 1
Middlesbrough were about his fourth game! And Forest, who did more homework on us than any other side they have faced this season (Dougie Freedman said so!) didn't get their tactics 'spot on', did they? So we can't be that easy to read and nullify! Middlesboro were his second game, Wendy's his first. Which only reinforces my point more. The man was weaving a bit of magic from the off. If his plan/theory/ethos was all bollocks, it would have started to fall apart long before now. This is going to grow and grow... but it WILL take time.
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Post by richyhtfc on Feb 15, 2016 17:22:26 GMT 1
I would of not bothered in the slightest if we went down a year ago, with the price of season tickets going up. I nearly did not get one this year. Football as a whole is a joke, so yea i don't let it effect me that much. ... so just not that arsed about Town at all really. That's fine, but why the need to come on here and burst folk's balloons? Just let us all be happy. What and not enjoy the way people react because my opinion is not the same? Am busting no ones balloons, I have stated my opinion and its others who are getting they nickers in a twist. Or do you want the forum to be a echo chamber?
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