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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 2, 2016 11:59:51 GMT 1
my observation from yesterday is the more advanced role he had yesterday doesn't suit him. he's better facing the ball not receiving it back to goal and the game by passed him a little until Wagner changed it. it might be worth trying it again though....ipswich stopped us playing yesterday but at the expense of their own threats. we have lots of options right now and the man pulling the strings is top drawer. Wagner said for this game he wanted a number 10 that could play with back to goal and hold the ball up. Mooy did what he was asked to do as part of the bugger game plan. He was then swapped for a pacier player. It's too early to say Mooy is better deeper than No 10. He is very good deep, but only had 45 mins at No 10, where he did exactly as told and created the best chance of the half (Kachunga post). Think we should give a bit more respect to our Australian friends, who have seen much more of him than we have. I didn't think he held it up very well with his back to goal. The stronger Palmer does it much better. Thought Wagner said the main reason for the change is that he wanted both Whitehead and Hogg holding to pick up the second balls, as Ipswich largely bypass central midfield - which they did. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 2, 2016 12:04:48 GMT 1
I know we're only 11 games in but Mooy is by far the best player I've ever seen grace the blue & white of town in over 25 years supporting the club.. What a player! 👍
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 2, 2016 12:09:56 GMT 1
I know we're only 11 games in but Mooy is by far the best player I've ever seen grace the blue & white of town in over 25 years supporting the club.. What a player! 👍 I'd qualify that with best midfielder. Frankie was a sight to behold. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 2, 2016 12:11:30 GMT 1
I know we're only 11 games in but Mooy is by far the best player I've ever seen grace the blue & white of town in over 25 years supporting the club.. What a player! 👍 I'd qualify that with best midfielder. Frankie was a sight to behold. Abit before my time, although I did see him miss a penalty in the legends game! 😂 |
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Post by Beech's Nuts on Oct 2, 2016 13:42:52 GMT 1
I know we're only 11 games in but Mooy is by far the best player I've ever seen grace the blue & white of town in over 25 years supporting the club.. What a player! 👍 I'd qualify that with best midfielder. Frankie was a sight to behold.That was over 40 years ago. Mooy is playing in the best team but in the last 25 years there's only one......Marcus Stewart. |
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Post by wtd on Oct 2, 2016 15:33:06 GMT 1
In the first half yesterday, playing in the advanced No.10 role, he wasn't half as influential a player for us as he has been thus far. Once Wagner changed it, by taking off Whitehead and allowing Mooy to dictate from a little further back, then normal service was resumed. We have a plethora of creative players who can play up and around the box, let's leave Mooy to pull the stings from that more central position. Wagner 1 - 0 Our Antipodean Friends   We need to keep Whitehead match sharp until after Hogg earns a suspension, this approach seems like an effective way of doing that....plus it allows him a bit of recovery if he's not expected on the edge of both penalty areas. He's looked to have faded SLIGHTLY over last few weeks, I suspect this is all about managing Mooy effectively so he can return to his August form. It's a risky policy as it means we look totally devoid of ideas ourself... at least we pretty much did in the first half yesterday. Also, it's a bit fanciful to think the whole change is simply in order to keep Whitehead fit. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Oct 2, 2016 16:48:40 GMT 1
I know we're only 11 games in but Mooy is by far the best player I've ever seen grace the blue & white of town in over 25 years supporting the club.. What a player! 👍 I do agree, we have had some players who were sublime in differing roles. Dean Gore, Trevor Cherry, Terry Poole, Frank Worthington, Jordan Rhodes (yep) and lots more. HE IS VERY CLASSY, 23% ish into a long season he still has to maintain his form to be truly great. I think he will. UTT |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 16:50:41 GMT 1
Or use him further advanced like we did yesterday as part of a stronger defensive block early in away games until the other team has ran out of ideas and got totally frustrated.We need to keep Whitehead match sharp until after Hogg earns a suspension, this approach seems like an effective way of doing that....plus it allows him a bit of recovery if he's not expected on the edge of both penalty areas. He's looked to have faded SLIGHTLY over last few weeks, I suspect this is all about managing Mooy effectively so he can return to his August form. It's a risky policy as it means we look totally devoid of ideas ourself... at least we pretty much did in the first half yesterday. Also, it's a bit fanciful to think the whole change is simply in order to keep Whitehead fit. You're right, I'm just thinking that's a handy by product of allowing Mooy a bit of a rest in an area of the park which isn't going to be as physically and mentally demanding, I suspect he'll return stronger this time than he did after the last break. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 2, 2016 18:17:44 GMT 1
I'd qualify that with best midfielder. Frankie was a sight to behold.That was over 40 years ago. Mooy is playing in the best team but in the last 25 years there's only one......Marcus Stewart. Agree with that but I always think of Stewart as a forward rather than a midfielder. Both hugely influential and joys to watch. |
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Oct 2, 2016 18:30:20 GMT 1
That was over 40 years ago. Mooy is playing in the best team but in the last 25 years there's only one......Marcus Stewart. Agree with that but I always think of Stewart as a forward rather than a midfielder. Both hugely influential and joys to watch. Stewart would've been brilliant in what is now known as the "number 10" position, but at the time playing him a bit deeper was a luxury we didn't have, as he had to carry Payton at first, then Wijnhard who had a tendency to go AWOL. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 2, 2016 22:30:30 GMT 1
Best finisher I've seen at Town.Think its been known about since before Stewart's time - #10.
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Post by bizkit on Oct 2, 2016 22:44:38 GMT 1
Or use him further advanced like we did yesterday as part of a stronger defensive block early in away games until the other team has ran out of ideas and got totally frustrated.We need to keep Whitehead match sharp until after Hogg earns a suspension, this approach seems like an effective way of doing that....plus it allows him a bit of recovery if he's not expected on the edge of both penalty areas. He's looked to have faded SLIGHTLY over last few weeks, I suspect this is all about managing Mooy effectively so he can return to his August form. It's a risky policy as it means we look totally devoid of ideas ourself... at least we pretty much did in the first half yesterday. Also, it's a bit fanciful to think the whole change is simply in order to keep Whitehead fit. DW said in an interview about wanting to get some players a bit more game time into their legs. Perhaps he thinks that Mooy might tire in the next game and so knows Whitehead is match ready if needed. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 23:11:18 GMT 1
Two good performances from whitehead, proving his value in keeping him. Mad to think we've got Paurevic and Billins yet to play this season.
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Post by sapphireblue on Oct 2, 2016 23:58:43 GMT 1
Best finisher I've seen at Town.Think its been known about since before Stewart's time - #10. The best finisher at Town since 1972 is Jordan Rhodes. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Oct 3, 2016 7:18:30 GMT 1
Two good performances from whitehead, proving his value in keeping him. Mad to think we've got Paurevic and Billins yet to play this season. If Billing gets in again hope hes much more resiliant, he seems to easily pick up injurys. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Oct 3, 2016 7:53:30 GMT 1
Best finisher I've seen at Town.Think its been known about since before Stewart's time - #10. The best finisher at Town since 1972 is Jordan Rhodes. Agree that Rhodes was a better finisher, albeit a lot of what we saw was in a lower division. Stewart was easily the best overall though. |
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Post by pberrett on Oct 3, 2016 9:08:50 GMT 1
Yep. Called up again. Two games I believe. Plays in Melbourne on the Tuesday. Probably back in training on the Friday. If he managed the Leeds game then should be ok for Weds with extra day rest And I shall be going to the Australian - Japan game which should be a cracker. It will be interesting to see where Ange plays him on the night. Hopefully you will be able to watch the game in England. cheers Peter |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 3, 2016 9:40:27 GMT 1
Best finisher I've seen at Town.Think its been known about since before Stewart's time - #10. The best finisher at Town since 1972 is Jordan Rhodes. Not a patch on Stewart imho. who remember carried it through to the highest level. |
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Post by sapphireblue on Oct 3, 2016 12:47:16 GMT 1
Whilst in no way I would try to claim that Rhodes was as good as Stewart as a whole, I believe he was the better finisher for Town.
(On Saturday either would have put the rebound off the post in the back of the net with a first time shot)
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Oct 3, 2016 12:51:18 GMT 1
At many other times Stewart would've played for England off the back of that first season in the prem with Ipswich. He got about 30 goals in all comps but Shearer, Ferdinand, Wright, Owen, Fowler were all playing at that time or thereabouts and were ahead of him.
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Post by alexdire on Oct 3, 2016 13:02:43 GMT 1
The best finisher at Town since 1972 is Jordan Rhodes. Agree that Rhodes was a better finisher, albeit a lot of what we saw was in a lower division. Stewart was easily the best overall though. You only have to look at Jordan Rhodes' performances already in the premiership compared to Marcus Stewarts. I doubt Rhodes will finish as one of the top scorers |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 16:33:53 GMT 1
Stewart was in a different league to Rhodes
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Oct 3, 2016 16:50:29 GMT 1
Yimagine Mooy and Clayts in same team, Hmmmm.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 17:06:44 GMT 1
Stewart was in a different league to Rhodes 19 goals in 1 season in the premier league for Ipswich. Agree, Rhodes nowhere near Stewarts ability. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 3, 2016 18:09:11 GMT 1
Stewart was in a different league to Rhodes 19 goals in 1 season in the premier league for Ipswich. Agree, Rhodes nowhere near Stewarts ability. You could argue that that season was a total one off in Stewart's premier league career ? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 19:13:45 GMT 1
19 goals in 1 season in the premier league for Ipswich. Agree, Rhodes nowhere near Stewarts ability. You could argue that that season was a total one off in Stewart's premier league career ? You could say that , if I remember rightly he didn't join Ipswich until he was 28, shame for him a top club didn't take a chance on him a bit earlier, still his goals that season got them to 5th and into the EUFA cup ,let's see what Jordan achieves this season in comparison.(Hope he does well by the way). |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 3, 2016 19:37:40 GMT 1
You could argue that that season was a total one off in Stewart's premier league career ? You could say that , if I remember rightly he didn't join Ipswich until he was 28, shame for him a top club didn't take a chance on him a bit earlier, still his goals that season got them to 5th and into the EUFA cup ,let's see what Jordan achieves this season in comparison.(Hope he does well by the way). When he was banging them in for Bristol Rovers you could tell he had the quality and vision to go along with the finishing power. God knows how we managed to get him - although I imagine Horton was quite good at selling the club. Great shame we could never have the dream team of Boothy and Stewart upfront together. PS We were a topper cub than Ipswich when they acquired him  |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Oct 3, 2016 20:33:32 GMT 1
It should be argued that there is much more competition for Rhodes in the Prem with Middlesboro than there was for Stewart at Ipswich over 15 years ago.
If Ipswich could have afforded it, they may have brought in a £20m striker on loan from Valencia. as it was they bought Alun Armstrong (yes that one) for a quarter of what Stewart cost in December of their first season in the PL.
Given the right service Jordan would score for fun whatever the division, even the PL. But Stewart would provide better performances which makes him the better striker BUT Jordan is the better finisher IMO
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Post by jukes01 on Oct 4, 2016 3:49:45 GMT 1
Plays in Melbourne on the Tuesday. Probably back in training on the Friday. If he managed the Leeds game then should be ok for Weds with extra day rest And I shall be going to the Australian - Japan game which should be a cracker. It will be interesting to see where Ange plays him on the night. Hopefully you will be able to watch the game in England. cheers Peter Ange will play him in the same role as he plays at Huddersfield. We have good attacking midfielders in Rogic and Kruse. |
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Post by tpansw on Oct 4, 2016 6:57:22 GMT 1
And I shall be going to the Australian - Japan game which should be a cracker. It will be interesting to see where Ange plays him on the night. Hopefully you will be able to watch the game in England. cheers Peter Ange will play him in the same role as he plays at Huddersfield. We have good attacking midfielders in Rogic and Kruse. He'll probably play as an attacking mid against the saudis with Rogic/luongo and milligan/jedinak behind as DM in a midfield 3. Against Japan is anybodies guess...possibly a diamond midfield with mooy on the left. Kruse will play as a winger or maybe not at all, he isn't in good form. |
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