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Post by lahdeedah on Jun 1, 2017 9:39:00 GMT 1
Is it right? Who knows, that's not for City to judge. Is it morally right to own a house you don't live in solely to rent it out for profit? I don't think so but I also don't make the rules, nor does City, they just play by them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 9:46:33 GMT 1
Is it morally right to own a house you don't live in solely to rent it out for profit? I don't think so but I also don't make the rules, nor does City, they just play by them. Of course it is. It's called investment. If you've got the capital, you invest it, absolutely nothing wrong with that. |
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Post by mids on Jun 1, 2017 9:48:21 GMT 1
Exchange rate is 0.58 currently. 15m AUD = £8.63m Seems about right to me  hopefully he likes it here, but if not good luck to him and we'll find another gem to replace him |
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Post by Sio on Jun 1, 2017 10:03:22 GMT 1
Isn't the issue with Mooy going to be wages? If rumours are to be believed he's on somewhere in the 30-40k region. We aren't going to increase our wage structure to cater for that, and with him arriving on the big stage quite late in his career (relatively) it's possible he'd want to maximise his income. I doubt we'll be able to do that.
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Post by aideybabes on Jun 1, 2017 10:16:08 GMT 1
I can't see Mooy signing for us i really can't not because City won't allow him to leave but i think another established mid table premier league club will come in and trump us on wages.
I hope i'm wrong though.
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Post by 3Pipe on Jun 1, 2017 10:22:34 GMT 1
I don't think so but I also don't make the rules, nor does City, they just play by them. Of course it is. It's called investment. If you've got the capital, you invest it, absolutely nothing wrong with that. Not everyone is a capitalist. You're confusing what is legal with what is moral. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Jun 1, 2017 10:23:32 GMT 1
I can't see Mooy signing for us i really can't not because City won't allow him to leave but i think another established mid table premier league club will come in and trump us on wages. I hope i'm wrong though. I hope you're wrong too, but I think you're right. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 10:26:34 GMT 1
Didn't they transfer him from Melbourne because there were rumblings from one of the other Oz clubs to take him?
There are no domestic transfer fees in the A-League, so it was a way of protecting their asset and a way of moving cash from City to Melbourne in a manner that is allowed.
Mooy is just a pawn.
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Jun 1, 2017 10:26:35 GMT 1
I can't see Mooy signing for us i really can't not because City won't allow him to leave but i think another established mid table premier league club will come in and trump us on wages. I hope i'm wrong though. 99/100 you would be correct, but sometimes players don't just move for money. Mooy will know that that Town would build the team around him. He would be the first name on the team sheet. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 10:27:12 GMT 1
Of course it is. It's called investment. If you've got the capital, you invest it, absolutely nothing wrong with that. Not everyone is a capitalist. You're confusing what is legal with what is moral. I know for a fact our beloved leader Deano owns a number of properties that he has no intention of living in. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Jun 1, 2017 10:31:24 GMT 1
Not everyone is a capitalist. You're confusing what is legal with what is moral. I know for a fact our beloved leader Deano owns a number of properties that he has no intention of living in. Same as one of my best mates, her and her husband own 6 properties in London. All I'm saying is there is often a massive gap between what is moral/immoral and what is legal/illegal. |
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Post by townatheart on Jun 1, 2017 10:35:34 GMT 1
Of course it is. It's called investment. If you've got the capital, you invest it, absolutely nothing wrong with that. Not everyone is a capitalist. You're confusing what is legal with what is moral. Neither is everyone a communist or a socialist, and perhaps you are confusing belief in a particular system with morality  |
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Post by shikoku14 on Jun 1, 2017 10:35:40 GMT 1
Isn't the issue with Mooy going to be wages? If rumours are to be believed he's on somewhere in the 30-40k region. We aren't going to increase our wage structure to cater for that, and with him arriving on the big stage quite late in his career (relatively) it's possible he'd want to maximise his income. I doubt we'll be able to do that. We need to be in that ballpark for our best players next season, Football Manager is fairly accurate in this area, and when I managed to go up as Champions in 16/17 (suck it Wagner), Deano increased the wage budget from 250K a month to 500K a month and I had around 22 million to spend. I managed to get Mooy, Izzy, Wardy back on permanent deals and Kasey on loan again. But their agents played premier league hardball and I ended up after a fair bit of back and forth of paying basics of 31K, 32K, 20K for those three plus having to accept release clauses which I negotiated up. Now I'd say that is not gospel but gives an idea of the wage bounce we are going to have, not to mention improved contracts for existing players (i.e.Hef went to 17K, Schindler 28K, Lowe 31K, Wells (who banged in 31 goals, so yes, FM isn't totally an accurate barometer) 34K). The club are going to have it all on to keep everyone happy and still push forward and improve the squad and playing catch-up with everyone else, which is what makes coming up through the play-offs so hard. |
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Post by Sio on Jun 1, 2017 10:38:48 GMT 1
Isn't the issue with Mooy going to be wages? If rumours are to be believed he's on somewhere in the 30-40k region. We aren't going to increase our wage structure to cater for that, and with him arriving on the big stage quite late in his career (relatively) it's possible he'd want to maximise his income. I doubt we'll be able to do that. We need to be in that ballpark for our best players next season, Football Manager is fairly accurate in this area, and when I managed to go up as Champions in 16/17 (suck it Wagner), Deano increased the wage budget from 250K a month to 500K a month and I had around 22 million to spend. I managed to get Mooy, Izzy, Wardy back on permanent deals and Kasey on loan again. But their agents played premier league hardball and I ended up after a fair bit of back and forth of paying basics of 31K, 32K, 20K for those three plus having to accept release clauses which I negotiated up. Now I'd say that is not gospel but gives an idea of the wage bounce we are going to have, not to mention improved contracts for existing players (i.e.Hef went to 17K, Schindler 28K, Lowe 31K, Wells (who banged in 31 goals, so yes, FM isn't totally an accurate barometer) 34K). The club are going to have it all on to keep everyone happy and still push forward and improve the squad and playing catch-up with everyone else, which is what makes coming up through the play-offs so hard. Don't you risk causing disharmony when creating such a wide range of incomes though? I honestly don't know how it works - maybe that's standard in the Prem. Just seems to me that as a club we'd aim to keep everyone within a similar region, especially considering team spirit is such a big part of our success. Could be way off, though. Either way, I'd be amazed if we suddenly went from c15000 being our highest wage to somewhere around 35000. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Jun 1, 2017 10:41:22 GMT 1
Not everyone is a capitalist. You're confusing what is legal with what is moral. Neither is everyone a communist or a socialist, and perhaps you are confusing belief in a particular system with morality I see what you are trying to do there but morality, which isn't entirely non-subjective, is one of the major factors behind anyone's choice of system. That's inescapable. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Jun 1, 2017 10:43:13 GMT 1
We need to be in that ballpark for our best players next season, Football Manager is fairly accurate in this area, and when I managed to go up as Champions in 16/17 (suck it Wagner), Deano increased the wage budget from 250K a month to 500K a month and I had around 22 million to spend. I managed to get Mooy, Izzy, Wardy back on permanent deals and Kasey on loan again. But their agents played premier league hardball and I ended up after a fair bit of back and forth of paying basics of 31K, 32K, 20K for those three plus having to accept release clauses which I negotiated up. Now I'd say that is not gospel but gives an idea of the wage bounce we are going to have, not to mention improved contracts for existing players (i.e.Hef went to 17K, Schindler 28K, Lowe 31K, Wells (who banged in 31 goals, so yes, FM isn't totally an accurate barometer) 34K). The club are going to have it all on to keep everyone happy and still push forward and improve the squad and playing catch-up with everyone else, which is what makes coming up through the play-offs so hard. Don't you risk causing disharmony when creating such a wide range of incomes though? I honestly don't know how it works - maybe that's standard in the Prem. Just seems to me that as a club we'd aim to keep everyone within a similar region, especially considering team spirit is such a big part of our success. Could be way off, though. Either way, I'd be amazed if we suddenly went from c15000 being our highest wage to somewhere around 35000. Our wage budget will have already gone through the roof. The same players will now probably be earning 30/40/50% more than they were on Sunday. |
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Post by townatheart on Jun 1, 2017 10:47:55 GMT 1
Neither is everyone a communist or a socialist, and perhaps you are confusing belief in a particular system with morality I see what you are trying to do there but morality, which isn't entirely non-subjective, is one of the major factors behind anyone's choice of system. That's inescapable. Of course it is, but at the same time, it does not imply that any other system that we may not agree with is therefore inherently immoral. That really is my point. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 10:48:13 GMT 1
Man City signed Mooy basically to legally move money from one asset to another. They paid more than his market value at that time.
Now they'll sell him for a bit of a profit. Both 'City Football Group' clubs benefit from this.
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Post by shikoku14 on Jun 1, 2017 10:51:22 GMT 1
Don't you risk causing disharmony when creating such a wide range of incomes though? I honestly don't know how it works - maybe that's standard in the Prem. Just seems to me that as a club we'd aim to keep everyone within a similar region, especially considering team spirit is such a big part of our success. Could be way off, though. Either way, I'd be amazed if we suddenly went from c15000 being our highest wage to somewhere around 35000. Our wage budget will have already gone through the roof. The same players will now probably be earning 30/40/50% more than they were on Sunday. That is the challenge of getting into the premier league (on FM anyway) you end up very quickly going from "I ain't paying you 10K Sean Scannell" to going, "22K seems a bit of a bargain", players who you would balk at giving these rises to, you have to farm out of the team on loan or permanents pretty quickly to keep squad harmony. Now that is probably hyper real but gives a flavour of the challenge the club are going to have retaining and recruiting players. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Jun 1, 2017 10:52:47 GMT 1
I see what you are trying to do there but morality, which isn't entirely non-subjective, is one of the major factors behind anyone's choice of system. That's inescapable. Of course it is, but at the same time, it does not imply that any other system that we may not agree with is therefore inherently immoral. That really is my point. But that is subjective. Morality is subjective. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 10:52:58 GMT 1
£40k a week is £2m a year.
5 players on that is £10m. A huge amount of money but, in the crazy world of the greedy league, easily covered by the £90m we'll bring in for just being there.
I'm not saying we should spend it but that's the situation we are now in.
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Post by aideybabes on Jun 1, 2017 10:55:56 GMT 1
I can't see Mooy signing for us i really can't not because City won't allow him to leave but i think another established mid table premier league club will come in and trump us on wages. I hope i'm wrong though. 99/100 you would be correct, but sometimes players don't just move for money. Mooy will know that that Town would build the team around him. He would be the first name on the team sheet. Fair point that, i reckon they'll be discussions between Town and City with regards to a fee and if then something is agreed between two clubs hopefully we can get around the table with Mooy and his agent to discuss how we could potentially build a team around him and discuss wages etc - i just see it as a long shot that said if we do manage to secure him on a decent deal that shows us that the club mean business (which i'm sure they do). |
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Post by Melc on Jun 1, 2017 10:56:29 GMT 1
Don't you risk causing disharmony when creating such a wide range of incomes though? I honestly don't know how it works - maybe that's standard in the Prem. Just seems to me that as a club we'd aim to keep everyone within a similar region, especially considering team spirit is such a big part of our success. Could be way off, though. Either way, I'd be amazed if we suddenly went from c15000 being our highest wage to somewhere around 35000. Our wage budget will have already gone through the roof. The same players will now probably be earning 30/40/50% more than they were on Sunday. The Playing squad shared a £4m bunus pot for getting promoted for starters! Huddersfield Town Players Will Share Bonus Pool Of £4M After Securing Promotion Published June 1, 2017 Font Size Resize Small Resize Normal Resize Large | Print | Share | Huddersfield Town players will "receive a bonus pool" of £4M ($5.2M) to share between them as a "reward for the club winning promotion to the Premier League for the first time," according to Matt Hughes of the LONDON TIMES. The club is "expected to make at least" £185M ($238.2M) over the next four years after beating Reading in penalties in the League Championship playoff final to "secure a return to the top flight for the first time in 45 years." Huddersfield Town Owner Dean Hoyle will "immediately pass on a significant percentage to the players as part of a bonus scheme agreed last summer." The bonus pool is worth "over a third of the club's wage bill for this season" and is "likely to lead to some players doubling their salaries for the year." The £4M pot will be "distributed according to the number of appearances made throughout Huddersfield's 46-match league campaign" plus three playoff games. Huddersfield used 25 players in league play, and if they had made an equal number of appearances they would each receive £160,000 ($206,000). Huddersfield's bonus scheme is "comparable to that of leading Premier League clubs and far more generous considering the size of the club, which has a turnover" of £13M ($16.7M). In comparison, Chelsea players "shared a pot" of £5M ($6.4M) for winning the Premier League, while ManU paid its squad a £1M ($1.3M) bonus for winning the Europa League. Huddersfield Manager David Wagner is also "set to cash in, with the club preparing to offer him a new contract" worth more than £2M ($2.6M) a year (LONDON TIMES, 5/31). |
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Post by lahdeedah on Jun 1, 2017 11:01:55 GMT 1
Placing the transfer fee aside for the moment. If Wagner stays (and I he think he will) and the wages are in the same ball park as a rival offer I think Mooy would stay. I genuinely believe he wants to stay at the club.
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Post by RickDangerous on Jun 1, 2017 11:05:56 GMT 1
The only way I think this deal could work for us is if Mooy expressed an interest in a Town move to City.
We then negotiated a deal in buying him for roughly the amount city sent to Melbourne - i'd be very surprised to see us go going x3 bigger than our previous transfer record to be fair 5 million will be huge for us, this also included a large sell on clause, if he has a successful season in the premiership, city will then profit fairly substantially because we'll have no choice but to let him move on for big money.
Seems far fetched to me.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jun 1, 2017 11:11:03 GMT 1
This is the bit that everyone seems to overlook... getting the budget right.
We have obviously been very shrewd and done very well to have one of the lowest in the league, we even dropped £2m just last year alone off our wage budget!
But it's now an unknown world. Some of our players may have had clauses for increases already. Others will want to sit down and discuss, some may be told 'no'.
The hardest thing is trying to set the right budget now and not taking the 3/4 years that it took us in the championship. Slightly getting it wrong now could cripple us if we are back in the championship next season.
It's easy to say the obvious thing is relegation clauses but the players have to agree to that contract in the first place.
Hopefully dean will reach out to Bournemouth, Burnley and a few of the others, and ask to explore their budgets/thoughts etc. This can be the only way to know where the market is and how we can operate in it just the same way that we have done.
If we are bringing players in from Germany or abroad again then you have to think that the pay scales in the bundesliga will also be considered by both us and the players.
It's going to be hard, it's a fine line between saying no to splashing more money and getting the right players in.
Dean will have to get the right info and set a budget for Wagner to operate within because after years of holding the purse strings it will be hard to get that Yorkshire man to part with his cash when the agents/clubs are now talking millions and around 2/3 times our record signing!
Having said that, from a personal view I don't think that kind of money needs to be spent, it doesn't guarantee class or ability (ala Rhodes or the other ex-Blackburn player) after all if we can pick up Schindlers for 1.8m happy days, surely they will be happy to come to us now anyway!
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Post by detox on Jun 1, 2017 11:18:58 GMT 1
£40k pw is approx £2m pa, we have £97m pa coming in from outside sources to add to our sponsorship, gate money and commercial stuff. I hope Town don't fall into the same trap as 1970/72 and try and do it on the cheap.
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Post by richyhtfc on Jun 1, 2017 11:42:16 GMT 1
£40k pw is approx £2m pa, we have £97m pa coming in from outside sources to add to our sponsorship, gate money and commercial stuff. I hope Town don't fall into the same trap as 1970/72 and try and do it on the cheap. How much to bring the ground to skysports standards? Am sure dean would want to take some of the money back out for him self? Do we want to buy giants share of the ground? (I don't think we should do anything with ground unless we stay up, apart from pitch) 10mill max i think we should put on him, 8m at most for price? Its a hard balance most teams fail to achieve. 100m does not go far if you get carried away (and when other teams know you need to buy fast). |
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Post by yanfan on Jun 1, 2017 11:50:33 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle has already publicly stated that we will not be spending large amounts of money on players and wages.He said it will be done the Yorkshire way ie frugally.I can live with that! He's done alright by us so far.I'd rather have a decent cheap player who plays his heart out for the club week in week out than a Prima Donna on massive wages who struts around and doesn't give a shit about the club.I trust Deano and Wagner implicitly.
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Post by melbguy on Jun 1, 2017 11:51:39 GMT 1
I can't see Mooy signing for us i really can't not because City won't allow him to leave but i think another established mid table premier league club will come in and trump us on wages. I hope i'm wrong though. He doesn't come across as someone persuaded by wages, he was offered more by a middle eastern club (sorry can't remember which one) but stayed at Melbourne City on a lot less wages. Huddersfield have a lot to offer, a coach he likes, familiarity, his wife is Scottish so a Northern move could be favorable, on the team sheet most weeks. I hope he chooses to stay and continue the story, I still think your a good chance. |
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hopefully he likes it here, but if not good luck to him and we'll find another gem to replace him
