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Post by Syran on Sept 25, 2016 8:39:51 GMT 1
The biggest sitter was missed by Wells, a drilled low cross from Kachunga went past everyone and somehow Wells completely missed his kick with the goal at his mercy at the back post. Someone feel free to correct me if I've somehow misremembered this chance. Think the chance you mean is the one where tommy smith took it down and played a brilliant pass across the face of the goal and wells was at the back post and just needed a toe on it and it was in but he didnt even seem to try and make a connection. The ball just flew past him. I nearly collapsed in disbelief when i saw that. Wells can only score the difficult half chances. He is terrible when he has time to think about it. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Sept 25, 2016 8:40:11 GMT 1
I assumed it's because Bunn is more disciplined, but he got rinsed on the edge of our box before they scored their goal, and rinsed again in the second half when only a very good block stopped a good shot. Palmer has much more about him and tracked back well last week, so for that alone I thought he'd earned the right to stay on yesterday. Personally prefer Palmer (or Payne) too... but hard to argue with Wagner's decision here given the level of team performance that followed. Admittedly there were no obvious Bunn highlights on the radio coverage, but presumably he contributed to the team effort of keeping them at bay until we threw everything at them later on. Thought he was poor and offered little, but it's Wagner's decision and I don't think it was an absolute clanger. However I do find it strange that Bunn is above Scannell in the pecking order and that Palmer was sacrificed for him yesterday. |
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Post by Syran on Sept 25, 2016 8:42:54 GMT 1
I am baffled by wagners insistence on playing bunn. Its not cos i think hes shite, its more because i cant see what he offers the team that scannell, palmer or payne cant.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 8:45:21 GMT 1
I thought the Wells 'chance' went just behind him as it flashed across. Smith did put some very dangerous balls in and the lack of a man was really telling as it just never fell to a Town player. We picked up very few loose balls in and around the box.
Mooy was everywhere and a real driving force. Apart from the deflected goal and 1 save late on they offered little other than long range efforts. It really was an excellent effort by Town.
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Post by y2troy on Sept 25, 2016 8:48:47 GMT 1
Not Barracking Bunn ,but dont think he is up to the standard of what we have now, as said above Scanz ,Payne and Palmer the one sthat offer lots more
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Post by shawsie on Sept 25, 2016 8:56:56 GMT 1
The biggest sitter was missed by Wells, a drilled low cross from Kachunga went past everyone and somehow Wells completely missed his kick with the goal at his mercy at the back post. Someone feel free to correct me if I've somehow misremembered this chance. Think the chance you mean is the one where tommy smith took it down and played a brilliant pass across the face of the goal and wells was at the back post and just needed a toe on it and it was in but he didnt even seem to try and make a connection. The ball just flew past him. I nearly collapsed in disbelief when i saw that. Wells can only score the difficult half chances. He is terrible when he has time to think about it. I think theres a picture of it on the town website which appears to show as i thought at the time it was slightly behind him. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 25, 2016 9:49:52 GMT 1
Been peeping at Reading forum. A lot of them very complimentary about our 2nd half showing, but equally saying we missed some sitters late on. How many exactly, if you were there ? Kachunga missed the easiest .....it hit his shoulder when a flick header would at least have worked the keeper more. There were no absolute sitters though - a few near misses from wells and some great balls in from smith which went begging............but dont lets over criticise. Poor officiating and a stupid decision from a player have cost us today ultimately and if we replicate it on tues with 11 we will win imho. youre determined not to criticise wells for misses aren't you? 2 glorious chances fluffed = 'a few near misses from wells' |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 10:00:49 GMT 1
It was behind him. He also narrowly missed from a very tight angle a few minutes earlier. First half we were just hitting it long at him. Second he was far more involved and looked good. What frustrated me was when we had Hudson and Hef up top with him we were still hitting it long to Wells. He ran himself ragged today but it just didn't drop for him. Anyone blaming him for yesterday's blank is way off the mark.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 10:14:21 GMT 1
How did Bunn do today when he came on? I find it interesting that he can get game time when the likes of Payne, Scannell and Billing can't. That comes across as a dig but isn't meant as a nasty one I just see them 3 as better players. Speaking to someone at the Reading game who's seen Billing training recently, he's not surprised he can't even get in the U23s lately. Lack of application would be one way of putting it. Oh well, they play QPR at Canalside today, let's see if he gets a game. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 10:18:20 GMT 1
How did Bunn do today when he came on? I find it interesting that he can get game time when the likes of Payne, Scannell and Billing can't. That comes across as a dig but isn't meant as a nasty one I just see them 3 as better players. Speaking to someone at the Reading game who's seen Billing training recently, he's not surprised he can't even get in the U23s lately. Lack of application would be one way of putting it. Oh well, they play QPR at Canalside today, let's see if he gets a game. Did said person mention anything of how the likes of Paurevic and Stankovic are looking in training? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 10:22:10 GMT 1
Speaking to someone at the Reading game who's seen Billing training recently, he's not surprised he can't even get in the U23s lately. Lack of application would be one way of putting it. Oh well, they play QPR at Canalside today, let's see if he gets a game. Did said person mention anything of how the likes of Paurevic and Stankovic are looking in training? I didn't ask but will probably see him later today, will make a point of finding out. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 10:26:26 GMT 1
Did said person mention anything of how the likes of Paurevic and Stankovic are looking in training? I didn't ask but will probably see him later today, will make a point of finding out. Cheers. Strange that none of them have played in the recent under 23 games. Disappointing to hear about Billing but it's not the first time he has been accused of this. Seems to have a real attitude problem |
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Post by rubicon on Sept 25, 2016 10:56:10 GMT 1
Going back to the original point of this post, it does slightly worry me re: Hef on Tuesday. We all love the guy to bits obviously, and clearly he's a great influence in the dressing room and on the touchline.
Now Wagner wouldn't presumably have bought him just for that, so we have to assume that he can actually defend as a centre half. Thing is we haven't really seen any of that yet, having only seen him thrown on as an emergency alternative forward.
It's alright behaving like a daft schoolboy and being totally gung-ho enthusiastic in such a situation, but come Tuesday if he's selected, all I want to see is a cool, calm clear headed Hefele.
I have worrying visions of the usual 110% action man Hefele being booked / sent off in not too short a space of time. We need to see the footballing centre half Hefele on Tuesday, and I hope he realises that. Its his chance to make the position his own, though I'm more than happy with Hudson, and can't see Wagner dropping him whatever performance Hefele puts in.
(Wasn't at Shrewsbury, unsure if he played, but if he did its not really a recommendation)
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Post by impact on Sept 25, 2016 11:18:00 GMT 1
Not Barracking Bunn ,but dont think he is up to the standard of what we have now, as said above Scanz ,Payne and Palmer the one sthat offer lots more Yet for all that he doesn't offer he got 6 goals and 12 assists last season. Scannell has had 1 good year out of the 4 and a bit he's been here. He's great running at a tired defence as an impact sub but his final ball is regularly poor as is his positioning without it. I've said this before but whilst Scannell may look more threatening Bunn is the more effective player out of the 2. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 25, 2016 11:22:35 GMT 1
Bojaj not getting games at Killie... none of us know whether he'll turn out to be good enough admittedly, but if he's not getting on the pitch up there he might as well be not getting on the pitch here. He'd be an option if we needed it at least, can't recall until Jan anyway though so it's academic. Cant see any reason why Bojaj would have been brought on at Reading if he was still with us. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 25, 2016 11:28:16 GMT 1
Going back to the original point of this post, it does slightly worry me re: Hef on Tuesday. We all love the guy to bits obviously, and clearly he's a great influence in the dressing room and on the touchline. Now Wagner wouldn't presumably have bought him just for that, so we have to assume that he can actually defend as a centre half. Thing is we haven't really seen any of that yet, having only seen him thrown on as an emergency alternative forward. It's alright behaving like a daft schoolboy and being totally gung-ho enthusiastic in such a situation, but come Tuesday if he's selected, all I want to see is a cool, calm clear headed Hefele. I have worrying visions of the usual 110% action man Hefele being booked / sent off in not too short a space of time. We need to see the footballing centre half Hefele on Tuesday, and I hope he realises that. Its his chance to make the position his own, though I'm more than happy with Hudson, and can't see Wagner dropping him whatever performance Hefele puts in. (Wasn't at Shrewsbury, unsure if he played, but if he did its not really a recommendation) We were all saying the same thing. have visions of him being so excited and wound up to be starting a game that he gets himself sent off launching himself into some ridiculous challenge. Bit like Gazza in the cup final against forest. Its the chance hes been waiting for. Thats if hes the one who gets it. Stankovic and cranie will also be in the running. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 25, 2016 11:28:17 GMT 1
I am baffled by wagners insistence on playing bunn. Its not cos i think hes shite, its more because i cant see what he offers the team that scannell, palmer or payne cant. Weird I guess we haven't seen Palmer or Payne play out wide left. Bunn slotted in to VLP's position. Loewe had Guthrie and a decent winger down his side so it was critical that positionally we filled VLP's role. Didn't work out - but I think it was the right thing to do at the time. To confound the theory though I'd have kept Palmer on and taken Nakhi off! |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 25, 2016 11:32:06 GMT 1
Going back to the original point of this post, it does slightly worry me re: Hef on Tuesday. We all love the guy to bits obviously, and clearly he's a great influence in the dressing room and on the touchline. Now Wagner wouldn't presumably have bought him just for that, so we have to assume that he can actually defend as a centre half. Thing is we haven't really seen any of that yet, having only seen him thrown on as an emergency alternative forward. It's alright behaving like a daft schoolboy and being totally gung-ho enthusiastic in such a situation, but come Tuesday if he's selected, all I want to see is a cool, calm clear headed Hefele. I have worrying visions of the usual 110% action man Hefele being booked / sent off in not too short a space of time. We need to see the footballing centre half Hefele on Tuesday, and I hope he realises that. Its his chance to make the position his own, though I'm more than happy with Hudson, and can't see Wagner dropping him whatever performance Hefele puts in. (Wasn't at Shrewsbury, unsure if he played, but if he did its not really a recommendation) We were all saying the same thing. have visions of him being so excited and wound up to be starting a game that he gets himself sent off launching himself into some ridiculous challenge. Bit like Gazza in the cup final against forest. Its the chance hes been waiting for. Thats if hes the one who gets it. Stankovic and cranie will also be in the running. Thought he played reasonably well in one of those pre-season games as a defender. Some excellent passing out of defence also. Maybe Schindler will move over to cover Huddy and Heff will play left centre back. The left side is going to be tricky though having lost VLP and Loewe. The new lad from Charlton presumably comes in at left back? Hope he doesn't play Bunn in front of him - although I can see why he might. I'd put Kachunga on the left to start with Scanz on the right. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 25, 2016 11:46:39 GMT 1
Not Barracking Bunn ,but dont think he is up to the standard of what we have now, as said above Scanz ,Payne and Palmer the one sthat offer lots more Yet for all that he doesn't offer he got 6 goals and 12 assists last season. Scannell has had 1 good year out of the 4 and a bit he's been here. He's great running at a tired defence as an impact sub but his final ball is regularly poor as is his positioning without it. I've said this before but whilst Scannell may look more threatening Bunn is the more effective player out of the 2. I'd agree Bunn has been more effective as a contributor to goals over their full tenures, but he's right at the bottom of a trough and has been for a while. I also think that's harsh on Scannell- he had one very good year, one good and two average ones if you ask me. There's no doubting his decision making ain't great, but the more creative and incisive players often do their bit after Scannell has brought the ball upfield or just occupied two of their players. Appears Wagner thinks the same as you though, so maybe I'm wrong! |
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Sept 25, 2016 11:51:13 GMT 1
He's a centre half, and not a quick one at that. Surely when we're chasing a game we can't keep sending him on. May be unpopular, but we're paying the price of only having one proven goalscorer. Hef may be a character but we need better than this up front. We have 2 strikers already. Are you advocating we have a third? If so why stop there, perhaps a fourth or fifth proven striker! DW has already said we do not have the need for a third proven striker. The only price we would pay is the cost of having a third striker who may even not make the bench |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 11:55:19 GMT 1
He's a centre half, and not a quick one at that. Surely when we're chasing a game we can't keep sending him on. May be unpopular, but we're paying the price of only having one proven goalscorer. Hef may be a character but we need better than this up front. All the investment has accumulated a really good squad with just one blatant hole in it. Don't want to come across too critical, I'm actually extremely grateful for what the club has done over the last year. But its a bit like building a Porshe with 3 wheels - it will be a real shame if we come up short because we didn't sign just one extra player. Yes - you can argue that we have a budget and strikers are not cheap - but I would argue that it wouldn't cost much to get someone in who is significantly better than a centre half up front. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 11:55:23 GMT 1
I didn't ask but will probably see him later today, will make a point of finding out. Cheers. Strange that none of them have played in the recent under 23 games. Disappointing to hear about Billing but it's not the first time he has been accused of this. Seems to have a real attitude problem Or he could just be struggling to get back into things after his injury. When you do an ankle or tear a muscle, even when fully recovered you can sometimes be reticent to go 100%, and instead try and "protect" your body until you fully trust it. His leg looked like THIS only a month or so back.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 12:03:46 GMT 1
Not Barracking Bunn ,but dont think he is up to the standard of what we have now, as said above Scanz ,Payne and Palmer the one sthat offer lots more Yet for all that he doesn't offer he got 6 goals and 12 assists last season. Scannell has had 1 good year out of the 4 and a bit he's been here. He's great running at a tired defence as an impact sub but his final ball is regularly poor as is his positioning without it. I've said this before but whilst Scannell may look more threatening Bunn is the more effective player out of the 2. I really think this is a frequent misconception about Scannell - I don't think his final ball is bad at all, he often puts the ball where players should be. And while the statisticians will highlight a lack of goals etc, no statistics demonstrate his work rate and the defensive shift he puts in. My only worry about Scannell is that I'm not sure how suited he is to the 4-2-3-1. He's more of an 'old fashioned' one dimensional winger/wing back for me, not someone who wants to cut inside and have a shot etc. |
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Post by terrierpark on Sept 25, 2016 12:45:05 GMT 1
The old chestnut of the striker situation perfectly demonstrated yesterday.
Of course VLP shouldnt have got himself sent off but a third striker is not just for sendings off is it? Not if you want a plan B that isnt really a last ditch approach of a ctre back?
Then you have Wells who always needs a few chances/game to get one based on what we have all seen. That doesnt matter of course if somebody else gets one but our lack of goals /games does concern me.
And just so it doesnt escape anyone actually getting a goal from a corner or free kick would help too!
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 25, 2016 12:56:52 GMT 1
The old chestnut of the striker situation perfectly demonstrated yesterday. Of course VLP shouldnt have got himself sent off but a third striker is not just for sendings off is it? Not if you want a plan B that isnt really a last ditch approach of a ctre back? Then you have Wells who always needs a few chances/game to get one based on what we have all seen. That doesnt matter of course if somebody else gets one but our lack of goals /games does concern me. And just so it doesnt escape anyone actually getting a goal from a corner or free kick would help too! I'm not sure it does necessarily. Shove someone like Rhodes in a team with 10 men and you don't necessarily create those chances, rather more likely struggle even more to hold onto the ball and win it back. A decent big man maybe, but how easy will it be to attract such without it being at the expense of Wells, rather than addition to. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 25, 2016 13:12:48 GMT 1
The old chestnut of the striker situation perfectly demonstrated yesterday. Of course VLP shouldnt have got himself sent off but a third striker is not just for sendings off is it? Not if you want a plan B that isnt really a last ditch approach of a ctre back? Then you have Wells who always needs a few chances/game to get one based on what we have all seen. That doesnt matter of course if somebody else gets one but our lack of goals /games does concern me. And just so it doesnt escape anyone actually getting a goal from a corner or free kick would help too! I'm not sure it does necessarily. Shove someone like Rhodes in a team with 10 men and you don't necessarily create those chances, rather more likely struggle even more to hold onto the ball and win it back. A decent big man maybe, but how easy will it be to attract such without it being at the expense of Wells, rather than addition to. Yeah but strikers like Rhodes are good at making their own chances, how many times did Rhodes pick up the ball outside the area run with it and drill it in the bottom corner from nothing? I do think we are missing someone like that, someone who has that in their locker. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 25, 2016 13:15:53 GMT 1
I'm not sure it does necessarily. Shove someone like Rhodes in a team with 10 men and you don't necessarily create those chances, rather more likely struggle even more to hold onto the ball and win it back. A decent big man maybe, but how easy will it be to attract such without it being at the expense of Wells, rather than addition to. Yeah but strikers like Rhodes are good at making their own chances, how many times did Rhodes pick up the ball outside the area run with it and drill it in the bottom corner from nothing? I do think we are missing someone like that, someone who has that in their locker. Probably never. You're describing a totally different striker to the one I knew. Fantastic at getting his head on crosses and deadly clinical finisher. The sort that created his own chances- never in a million years. |
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Post by Metch on Sept 25, 2016 13:35:23 GMT 1
Last year in the fa cup game we continued to try and play expansive football after hoggs sending off and ended up getting walloped.
Yesterday DW brought Bunn on to keep it tight and not concede till half time. We almost managed this. It was a real shame to see Palmer go off but was the right call.
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Post by sheesh on Sept 25, 2016 14:17:54 GMT 1
Been peeping at Reading forum. A lot of them very complimentary about our 2nd half showing, but equally saying we missed some sitters late on. How many exactly, if you were there ? Not just the team, very complimentary about our fans as well "What a friendly bunch Huddersfield fans are, had a great chat with them after the game." " This before and after the game. Absolutely no reflection of the standard posturing that took placing in the stadium. lovely people." "3rd that. Had a laugh with a few of them on the bus on the way back. Almost stereotypically 'northerners are friendlier'." "Huddersfield is easily the nicest of the big West Yorkshire towns and cities and as a result, it breeds easily the nicest of the West Yorkshire people." hobnob.royals.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=119920&start=940 |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 25, 2016 14:20:59 GMT 1
The old chestnut of the striker situation perfectly demonstrated yesterday. Of course VLP shouldnt have got himself sent off but a third striker is not just for sendings off is it? Not if you want a plan B that isnt really a last ditch approach of a ctre back? Then you have Wells who always needs a few chances/game to get one based on what we have all seen. That doesnt matter of course if somebody else gets one but our lack of goals /games does concern me. And just so it doesnt escape anyone actually getting a goal from a corner or free kick would help too! We had 4 up front at the end yesterday and had a string of chances. The Heff tactic worked pretty well. |
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