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Post by Essex Terrier on Sept 26, 2016 11:34:14 GMT 1
Couldn't understand the Bunn for Palmer sub. myself. Palmer (although admittedly young) seems to have a goal in him for the skill quotient alone. On another point (then I'll shut up (possibly), please don't put Cranie in at left back on Tuesday Herr Wagner. Sticky is not good enough imo. He may not be a currant favourite, but he is plenty good enough to be in this squad! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 11:47:36 GMT 1
Bunn is the currant favourite.......
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 26, 2016 12:08:18 GMT 1
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 26, 2016 12:16:17 GMT 1
I believe some Reading fans will think that 1-0 against 10 men for 70 minutes isnt quite good enough. This unease will lead to some spurious comments about the opposition on the day.
Id be happy to win 1-0 against 10 men but would probably be looking closer to home at the performance..The opposition were away from home and one man light for some considerable time..
I might find that more worrying than what Hef was up to?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 16:57:03 GMT 1
No I'm not saying anything against Wells at all - just that we need another striker. Would we have brought him on at Reading and hooked either Nahki or Kachunga? I thought Heff was pretty effective as the Hail Mary striker for the last 15 mins when we were one down. We certainly had a lot of opportunity during that period. What you wouldn't do I think is bring Heff on after 60 minutes if you were one down and chasing the game. That is maybe the time you need a game changer. Porche wheels are expensive though! I think it all comes down to how much we want to risk to stay at the top of the league. Deans already mentioned January is when things will be evaluated, I just hope we're still there or there about at that time. But I don't think many top sides in any division tend to need to revert to bringing a centre half on up front from the bench every time they need a goal in the last 10 mins. Far from ideal. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 26, 2016 18:28:50 GMT 1
Would we have brought him on at Reading and hooked either Nahki or Kachunga? I thought Heff was pretty effective as the Hail Mary striker for the last 15 mins when we were one down. We certainly had a lot of opportunity during that period. What you wouldn't do I think is bring Heff on after 60 minutes if you were one down and chasing the game. That is maybe the time you need a game changer. Porche wheels are expensive though! I think it all comes down to how much we want to risk to stay at the top of the league. Deans already mentioned January is when things will be evaluated, I just hope we're still there or there about at that time. But I don't think many top sides in any division tend to need to revert to bringing a centre half on up front from the bench every time they need a goal in the last 10 mins. Far from ideal. So you would have to bring someone on better than Nahki - at better than Nahki prices? What do the top sides do? So long since we have been one I've forgot! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 18:48:22 GMT 1
I think it all comes down to how much we want to risk to stay at the top of the league. Deans already mentioned January is when things will be evaluated, I just hope we're still there or there about at that time. But I don't think many top sides in any division tend to need to revert to bringing a centre half on up front from the bench every time they need a goal in the last 10 mins. Far from ideal. So you would have to bring someone on better than Nahki - at better than Nahki prices? What do the top sides do? So long since we have been one I've forgot! I'd take someone better than a makeshift forward in Hefele. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 26, 2016 19:47:43 GMT 1
So you would have to bring someone on better than Nahki - at better than Nahki prices? What do the top sides do? So long since we have been one I've forgot! I'd take someone better than a makeshift forward in Hefele. His big problem on Saturday was that they pushed Hudson up as well and he kept getting in the way. |
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Post by terrierpark on Sept 26, 2016 19:52:50 GMT 1
Look we have plenty of great forward players but we need the other option of a presence up front. Now whether that is a target man type striker or a muscular but mobile and athletic type is up to the manager but the ability to have that option is required. When you think of the number of players we signed it seems ridiculuos we are putting ctre backs on up front.
But thats not to say its not good to watch and to be fair has proven reasonably effective but someone who is versed in getting it in the onion bag might have got us an equaliser saturday.
It is also claptrap that we cant have another striker as back up because anybody any good wont sit on the bench!
So paurevic stankovic and heffele are also no good by that reasoning then ?
Nahki wells might be playing well but his goal return this season is poor compared to last because we are not reliant on him as much or is the service not as good ? We might dominate for long spells but that dominance does not always translate into chances/Goals.
Of course if we win 1-0 who gives a monkeys!
We are a much more solid and organised unit that is for sure. We have tightened up defensively and we have a great team ethic. We have faced difficult and talented opposition (leeds apart) game after game so its difficult to truly gage. Even reading were unbeaten and on form and our ten gave them a run for their money but lets not pretend we couldnt do with someone who gives us different options ...you never know in two or three sub appearances that person might be ahead of wells lol.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 19:54:54 GMT 1
I'd take someone better than a makeshift forward in Hefele. His big problem on Saturday was that they pushed Hudson up as well and he kept getting in the way. I wasn't there but I think shoving your 2 centre haves up front when your down to 10 is very brave! |
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Post by exeter2terrier on Sept 26, 2016 20:10:04 GMT 1
The plan B was putting two centre backs up front for long balls, at 5"5 Jack Payne would have been as much use as a chocolate tea pot. (Someone mentioned bringing him on somewhere in the thread..)
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 26, 2016 20:16:09 GMT 1
Look we have plenty of great forward players but we need the other option of a presence up front. Now whether that is a target man type striker or a muscular but mobile and athletic type is up to the manager but the ability to have that option is required. When you think of the number of players we signed it seems ridiculuos we are putting ctre backs on up front. But thats not to say its not good to watch and to be fair has proven reasonably effective but someone who is versed in getting it in the onion bag might have got us an equaliser saturday. It is also claptrap that we cant have another striker as back up because anybody any good wont sit on the bench! So paurevic stankovic and heffele are also no good by that reasoning then ? Nahki wells might be playing well but his goal return this season is poor compared to last because we are not reliant on him as much or is the service not as good ? We might dominate for long spells but that dominance does not always translate into chances/Goals. Of course if we win 1-0 who gives a monkeys! We are a much more solid and organised unit that is for sure. We have tightened up defensively and we have a great team ethic. We have faced difficult and talented opposition (leeds apart) game after game so its difficult to truly gage. Even reading were unbeaten and on form and our ten gave them a run for their money but lets not pretend we couldnt do with someone who gives us different options ...you never know in two or three sub appearances that person might be ahead of wells lol. We play like Liverpool and you'll see they don't have a player with presence either and they have a bucket load of cash! Maybe even if we did get another striker in, there's a chance we'll be throwing the Heff upfront. Otherwise, Wagner has gone on record to say we wouldn't have signed another CB, but Stankovic became available who he really rates as a prospect. I suspect the same happened with Mooy, albeit more from the perspective he's bloody good, which maybe impacts Paurevic's likely game time. As I've already said, I'm sure they would prefer to have an alternative type of striker and we may see such in January, it's just not so easy, especially when it may mean there's a chance one of your two most valuable assets may be sat on the bench. If the club had been so quick to fill the voids as many were calling for last January, we may have found ourselves finish a couple of places higher, but have no space in our squad for Lowe, Schindler, Kachunga, etc. What point am I making.....well, I'll trust them to possibly get another striker in Jan and make do for now, rather than be lumbered with someone Wagner wasn't even that keen on. |
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Post by terrierpark on Sept 26, 2016 21:17:52 GMT 1
Look we have plenty of great forward players but we need the other option of a presence up front. Now whether that is a target man type striker or a muscular but mobile and athletic type is up to the manager but the ability to have that option is required. When you think of the number of players we signed it seems ridiculuos we are putting ctre backs on up front. But thats not to say its not good to watch and to be fair has proven reasonably effective but someone who is versed in getting it in the onion bag might have got us an equaliser saturday. It is also claptrap that we cant have another striker as back up because anybody any good wont sit on the bench! So paurevic stankovic and heffele are also no good by that reasoning then ? Nahki wells might be playing well but his goal return this season is poor compared to last because we are not reliant on him as much or is the service not as good ? We might dominate for long spells but that dominance does not always translate into chances/Goals. Of course if we win 1-0 who gives a monkeys! We are a much more solid and organised unit that is for sure. We have tightened up defensively and we have a great team ethic. We have faced difficult and talented opposition (leeds apart) game after game so its difficult to truly gage. Even reading were unbeaten and on form and our ten gave them a run for their money but lets not pretend we couldnt do with someone who gives us different options ...you never know in two or three sub appearances that person might be ahead of wells lol. We play like Liverpool and you'll see they don't have a player with presence either and they have a bucket load of cash! Maybe even if we did get another striker in, there's a chance we'll be throwing the Heff upfront.Otherwise, Wagner has gone on record to say we wouldn't have signed another CB, but Stankovic became available who he really rates as a prospect. I suspect the same happened with Mooy, albeit more from the perspective he's bloody good, which maybe impacts Paurevic's likely game time. As I've already said, I'm sure they would prefer to have an alternative type of striker and we may see such in January, it's just not so easy, especially when it may mean there's a chance one of your two most valuable assets may be sat on the bench. If the club had been so quick to fill the voids as many were calling for last January, we may have found ourselves finish a couple of places higher, but have no space in our squad for Lowe, Schindler, Kachunga, etc. What point am I making.....well, I'll trust them to possibly get another striker in Jan and make do for now, rather than be lumbered with someone Wagner wasn't even that keen on. Quite possibly. Dont forget pre Wagner the situation was similar with no credible alternative to Wells and had we dealt with this situation properly and i dont mean Miller we wouldnt have this situation. Its quite incredible that the striker issue from seasons long gone continue with us despite what was it ten/eleven signings! |
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Post by shawsie on Sept 26, 2016 22:13:03 GMT 1
We play like Liverpool and you'll see they don't have a player with presence either and they have a bucket load of cash! Maybe even if we did get another striker in, there's a chance we'll be throwing the Heff upfront.Otherwise, Wagner has gone on record to say we wouldn't have signed another CB, but Stankovic became available who he really rates as a prospect. I suspect the same happened with Mooy, albeit more from the perspective he's bloody good, which maybe impacts Paurevic's likely game time. As I've already said, I'm sure they would prefer to have an alternative type of striker and we may see such in January, it's just not so easy, especially when it may mean there's a chance one of your two most valuable assets may be sat on the bench. If the club had been so quick to fill the voids as many were calling for last January, we may have found ourselves finish a couple of places higher, but have no space in our squad for Lowe, Schindler, Kachunga, etc. What point am I making.....well, I'll trust them to possibly get another striker in Jan and make do for now, rather than be lumbered with someone Wagner wasn't even that keen on. Quite possibly. Dont forget pre Wagner the situation was similar with no credible alternative to Wells and had we dealt with this situation properly and i dont mean Miller we wouldnt have this situation. Its quite incredible that the striker issue from seasons long gone continue with us despite what was it ten/eleven signings! We did get lumbered though park......fortunes were paid to and for Vaughan who sadly was a semi permanent sick note. Good strikers cost a lot of money.....and there are no guarantees they will produce. It's ok saying it's nonsense that we can't have a quality striker prepared to sit on the bench.....care to name a few? I'm not having a pop at you, but it's not as easy as you make out bringing in quality at reasonable cost and no first team guaranteed place. |
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