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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 25, 2016 14:24:43 GMT 1
It was behind him. He also narrowly missed from a very tight angle a few minutes earlier. First half we were just hitting it long at him. Second he was far more involved and looked good. What frustrated me was when we had Hudson and Hef up top with him we were still hitting it long to Wells. He ran himself ragged today but it just didn't drop for him. Anyone blaming him for yesterday's blank is way off the mark. I didn't see that. The keeper was hitting it long to Hef for Nahki to chase the head on, but Hudson was getting in the way of Hef. Nahki did run himself ragged - but he will have been deeply disappointed not to connect with at least two of the crosses that past him by and the one he put over the bar. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 25, 2016 14:26:32 GMT 1
Been peeping at Reading forum. A lot of them very complimentary about our 2nd half showing, but equally saying we missed some sitters late on. How many exactly, if you were there ? Kachunga missed the easiest .....it hit his shoulder when a flick header would at least have worked the keeper more. There were no absolute sitters though - a few near misses from wells and some great balls in from smith which went begging............but dont lets over criticise. Poor officiating and a stupid decision from a player have cost us today ultimately and if we replicate it on tues with 11 we will win imho. Thought Kachunga's was a hard chance - the header near the end. Think it came over another player and he saw it very late. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 25, 2016 14:31:12 GMT 1
Been peeping at Reading forum. A lot of them very complimentary about our 2nd half showing, but equally saying we missed some sitters late on. How many exactly, if you were there ? No absolute sitters. I counted 7 decent opportunities in the last 10 minutes. The most disappointing were the two great crosses from the right which neatly bisected the keeper and out forwards. Someone should have got on one of those. We had plenty of players in the box. Nahki flashed one over the bar. Also had a curling effort from outwide tipped round the post. Kachunga had a sharp header chance in the last couple of minutes. Our corners/free kicks were poor when we had some pressure built up. |
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Post by Thwarting Dog on Sept 25, 2016 14:47:53 GMT 1
Bunn must be doing something good in training cause we dont see it on the pitch. It was like having 2 sent off within minutes, I'll never understand that decision for the life in me.
On the striker front we should have gone for Ricky Lambert ( what you recon Deano ) would have been a solid signing for us.
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Post by DATM Travel Agent on Sept 25, 2016 14:52:52 GMT 1
Bunn must be doing something good in training cause we dont see it on the pitch. It was like having 2 sent off within minutes, I'll never understand that decision for the life in me. On the striker front we should have gone for Ricky Lambert ( what you recon Deano ) would have been a solid signing for us. Still talking about Rickie Lambert, really? |
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Post by impact on Sept 25, 2016 14:59:13 GMT 1
Yet for all that he doesn't offer he got 6 goals and 12 assists last season. Scannell has had 1 good year out of the 4 and a bit he's been here. He's great running at a tired defence as an impact sub but his final ball is regularly poor as is his positioning without it. I've said this before but whilst Scannell may look more threatening Bunn is the more effective player out of the 2. I'd agree Bunn has been more effective as a contributor to goals over their full tenures, but he's right at the bottom of a trough and has been for a while. I also think that's harsh on Scannell- he had one very good year, one good and two average ones if you ask me. There's no doubting his decision making ain't great, but the more creative and incisive players often do their bit after Scannell has brought the ball upfield or just occupied two of their players. Appears Wagner thinks the same as you though, so maybe I'm wrong! His first 2 years were poor IMO. Had the odd game where he looked the business but far too many where he just didn't show up. His 3rd he was very good, granted, but last year when he should really have kicked on he seemed to go backwards. Haven't seen much of Bunn this year but my comments were more about the players in general. To me it seems that people see Bunn's direct, untidy style and think he's poor because of it. He may not beat 2 or 3 men like Scannell but I think he'll be in the goals far more often. |
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Post by Thwarting Dog on Sept 25, 2016 15:02:54 GMT 1
Bunn must be doing something good in training cause we dont see it on the pitch. It was like having 2 sent off within minutes, I'll never understand that decision for the life in me. On the striker front we should have gone for Ricky Lambert ( what you recon Deano ) would have been a solid signing for us. Still talking about Rickie Lambert, really? Deano, " Arrrr the one that got away" |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 25, 2016 16:11:33 GMT 1
I'm not sure it does necessarily. Shove someone like Rhodes in a team with 10 men and you don't necessarily create those chances, rather more likely struggle even more to hold onto the ball and win it back. A decent big man maybe, but how easy will it be to attract such without it being at the expense of Wells, rather than addition to. Yeah but strikers like Rhodes are good at making their own chances, how many times did Rhodes pick up the ball outside the area run with it and drill it in the bottom corner from nothing? I do think we are missing someone like that, someone who has that in their locker. I can think of numerous goals for Town that he scored like that....the equaliser at Sheffield Wednesday in the infamous 4-4 draw instantly springs to mind. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 25, 2016 16:15:20 GMT 1
Yeah but strikers like Rhodes are good at making their own chances, how many times did Rhodes pick up the ball outside the area run with it and drill it in the bottom corner from nothing? I do think we are missing someone like that, someone who has that in their locker. I can think of numerous goals for Town that he scored like that....the equaliser at Sheffield Wednesday in the infamous 4-4 draw instantly springs to mind. Yeah and he has been sold for 8m and 12m respectively Stop f****** moaning this is the best town team you have ever seen will you ever be happy ? |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 25, 2016 16:22:57 GMT 1
I'd agree Bunn has been more effective as a contributor to goals over their full tenures, but he's right at the bottom of a trough and has been for a while. I also think that's harsh on Scannell- he had one very good year, one good and two average ones if you ask me. There's no doubting his decision making ain't great, but the more creative and incisive players often do their bit after Scannell has brought the ball upfield or just occupied two of their players. Appears Wagner thinks the same as you though, so maybe I'm wrong! His first 2 years were poor IMO. Had the odd game where he looked the business but far too many where he just didn't show up. His 3rd he was very good, granted, but last year when he should really have kicked on he seemed to go backwards. Haven't seen much of Bunn this year but my comments were more about the players in general. To me it seems that people see Bunn's direct, untidy style and think he's poor because of it. He may not beat 2 or 3 men like Scannell but I think he'll be in the goals far more often. I've stuck up for Bunn on here, because his stats can't be ignored and fans expect too much of squad players. He's just been poor for I reckon a good six months of football. He was terrible yesterday, albeit in difficult circumstances, and not much better in the preceding game. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 25, 2016 16:30:11 GMT 1
I can think of numerous goals for Town that he scored like that....the equaliser at Sheffield Wednesday in the infamous 4-4 draw instantly springs to mind. Yeah and he has been sold for 8m and 12m respectively Stop f****** moaning this is the best town team you have ever seen will you ever be happy ? Who's 'fucking moaning'? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 25, 2016 16:32:15 GMT 1
Yeah and he has been sold for 8m and 12m respectively Stop f****** moaning this is the best town team you have ever seen will you ever be happy ? Who's 'fucking moaning'? YOU Both games we've lost you've been on here "striker this .. striker that ..." you're worse than Otium |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 25, 2016 16:38:09 GMT 1
YOU Both games we've lost you've been on here "striker this .. striker that ..." you're worse than Otium Goals and strikers win you games....and I'll say what I bloody want on a public forum....ok? Stop trying censor everyone. If I want to express the opinion that we might be light in the striker department then I will. By the way I wasn't saying that we needed another striker yesterday, I was just saying that I am of the mind that we are short in this department and we could benefit from another option in that department. |
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Post by htfc63 on Sept 25, 2016 16:40:33 GMT 1
On the earlier posts regarding Billing he played for the under 23s today and had an excellent first half. It was however noticeable that he dropped off the pace in the second half so Wagner may be waiting until he gets up to full fitness. On the other hand Paurevic was excellent and a class above other players on the pitch. Both he and Stankovic were subbed just after half time which suggests they may be called into the squad on Tuesday.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 25, 2016 16:41:43 GMT 1
Yeah but strikers like Rhodes are good at making their own chances, how many times did Rhodes pick up the ball outside the area run with it and drill it in the bottom corner from nothing? I do think we are missing someone like that, someone who has that in their locker. I can think of numerous goals for Town that he scored like that....the equaliser at Sheffield Wednesday in the infamous 4-4 draw instantly springs to mind. Come on, you can't seriously claim he's the sort of striker that created his own chances. His lack of an overall game is why he's been ignored for the Prem and international football, despite being a fantastic finisher. I don't think he'd have even turned his man to have the chance Wells hit over the bar. On the flip-side, I'm sure he'd have anticipated Smith's crosses better and either timed his run or just adapted his body shape better. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 25, 2016 16:43:43 GMT 1
YOU Both games we've lost you've been on here "striker this .. striker that ..." you're worse than Otium Goals and strikers win you games....and I'll say what I bloody want on a public forum....ok? Stop trying censor everyone. If I want to express the opinion that we might be light in the striker department then I will. By the way I wasn't saying that we needed another striker yesterday, I was just saying that I am of the mind that we are short in this department and we could benefit from another option in that department. I'm not censoring anyone . You are moaning and I'm telling you you're moaning.. as I'm sure you don't even know you do it . Goals and strikers win you games and we are top of the league .. enough said end of story |
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Post by upthetown on Sept 25, 2016 16:49:37 GMT 1
YOU Both games we've lost you've been on here "striker this .. striker that ..." you're worse than Otium Harsh! |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 25, 2016 17:03:03 GMT 1
He's a centre half, and not a quick one at that. Surely when we're chasing a game we can't keep sending him on. May be unpopular, but we're paying the price of only having one proven goalscorer. Hef may be a character but we need better than this up front. All the investment has accumulated a really good squad with just one blatant hole in it. Don't want to come across too critical, I'm actually extremely grateful for what the club has done over the last year. But its a bit like building a Porshe with 3 wheels - it will be a real shame if we come up short because we didn't sign just one extra player. Yes - you can argue that we have a budget and strikers are not cheap - but I would argue that it wouldn't cost much to get someone in who is significantly better than a centre half up front. Aren't you effectively saying Wells doesn't cut the mustard. Would your third striker put Nahki on the bench? I think we do need another striker - not to be the fourth wheel on the Porche - but to be the spare in the boot. |
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Post by shawsie on Sept 25, 2016 19:54:22 GMT 1
Kachunga missed the easiest .....it hit his shoulder when a flick header would at least have worked the keeper more. There were no absolute sitters though - a few near misses from wells and some great balls in from smith which went begging............but dont lets over criticise. Poor officiating and a stupid decision from a player have cost us today ultimately and if we replicate it on tues with 11 we will win imho. youre determined not to criticise wells for misses aren't you? 2 glorious chances fluffed = 'a few near misses from wells' Not at all capn.....thought he was one of our poorer performers on the day, but neither of his chances were gilt edged imo. One was behind him, the other a half chance but hey you may beg to differ again! |
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 25, 2016 20:24:57 GMT 1
On the earlier posts regarding Billing he played for the under 23s today and had an excellent first half. It was however noticeable that he dropped off the pace in the second half so Wagner may be waiting until he gets up to full fitness. On the other hand Paurevic was excellent and a class above other players on the pitch. Both he and Stankovic were subbed just after half time which suggests they may be called into the squad on Tuesday.With the injuries & suspensions we have for that game, it's nailed on that they both will be in the squad. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 20:35:44 GMT 1
On thread the Reading comments on that site are the generally the fairest have ever read on an oppostion forum. Look at the comment on opp just back from the game thread
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 25, 2016 20:38:07 GMT 1
A narrow defeat after playing over 2/3rd of the game with 10 men & the overreaction on here is unbelievable!
I see Bunn is now the DATM whipping boy aswell? No way can he be at the fitness levels as the rest & has been playing catch up ever since Austia.. The criticism of him is harsh imo.
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Post by upthetown on Sept 25, 2016 20:59:46 GMT 1
A narrow defeat after playing over 2/3rd of the game with 10 men & the overreaction on here is unbelievable! I see Bunn is now the DATM whipping boy aswell? No way can he be at the fitness levels as the rest & has been playing catch up ever since Austia.. The criticism of him is harsh imo. Apart from one or two usual suspects, the reaction on here has been overwhelmingly positive. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 7:18:06 GMT 1
All the investment has accumulated a really good squad with just one blatant hole in it. Don't want to come across too critical, I'm actually extremely grateful for what the club has done over the last year. But its a bit like building a Porshe with 3 wheels - it will be a real shame if we come up short because we didn't sign just one extra player. Yes - you can argue that we have a budget and strikers are not cheap - but I would argue that it wouldn't cost much to get someone in who is significantly better than a centre half up front. Aren't you effectively saying Wells doesn't cut the mustard. Would your third striker put Nahki on the bench? I think we do need another striker - not to be the fourth wheel on the Porche - but to be the spare in the boot. No I'm not saying anything against Wells at all - just that we need another striker. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 26, 2016 7:26:38 GMT 1
A narrow defeat after playing over 2/3rd of the game with 10 men & the overreaction on here is unbelievable! I see Bunn is now the DATM whipping boy aswell? No way can he be at the fitness levels as the rest & has been playing catch up ever since Austia.. The criticism of him is harsh imo. Apart from one or two usual suspects, the reaction on here has been overwhelmingly positive. Plus I have recently defended Bunn against daft OTT comments, just it is a fact he was poor on Sat, poor the game before and has not reached his early promise for a good time. I don't think anyone has called him shit or similar (but won't dismiss that possibility). |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 26, 2016 7:44:44 GMT 1
A reading blogger on newsnow suggests they were comfortable most of game 70 % Possession And we didnt really have chances.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 26, 2016 7:53:19 GMT 1
A reading blogger on newsnow suggests they were comfortable most of game 70 % Possession And we didnt really have chances. Leave em to it. Stats are useful, but used in isolation, not so much so. Anyone with a modicum of judgement could see whilst we had eleven on the pitch they had possession for possession sake, whilst we were still more incisive than them when down to ten. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 26, 2016 10:47:33 GMT 1
Aren't you effectively saying Wells doesn't cut the mustard. Would your third striker put Nahki on the bench? I think we do need another striker - not to be the fourth wheel on the Porche - but to be the spare in the boot. No I'm not saying anything against Wells at all - just that we need another striker. Would we have brought him on at Reading and hooked either Nahki or Kachunga? I thought Heff was pretty effective as the Hail Mary striker for the last 15 mins when we were one down. We certainly had a lot of opportunity during that period. What you wouldn't do I think is bring Heff on after 60 minutes if you were one down and chasing the game. That is maybe the time you need a game changer. Porche wheels are expensive though! |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 26, 2016 11:00:04 GMT 1
His first 2 years were poor IMO. Had the odd game where he looked the business but far too many where he just didn't show up. His 3rd he was very good, granted, but last year when he should really have kicked on he seemed to go backwards. Haven't seen much of Bunn this year but my comments were more about the players in general. To me it seems that people see Bunn's direct, untidy style and think he's poor because of it. He may not beat 2 or 3 men like Scannell but I think he'll be in the goals far more often. I've stuck up for Bunn on here, because his stats can't be ignored and fans expect too much of squad players. He's just been poor for I reckon a good six months of football. He was terrible yesterday, albeit in difficult circumstances, and not much better in the preceding game. Yup, I was big fan of Bunn in the past but It's hard to see how he's going to fight his way back into the side given the performances he's put in so far. Shame really as I thought he would be another one who would improve leaps and bounds under Wagner, there's still time though I suppose. |
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Post by Russlad on Sept 26, 2016 11:29:17 GMT 1
On thread the Reading comments on that site are the generally the fairest have ever read on an oppostion forum. Look at the comment on opp just back from the game thread Do you have a link? |
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