Referees

[Bassingham Terrier]

Two last season.
Wells missed at Leeds, but Huws missed at home to Brizzle City.

[rothwellterrier]

I'm not quite sure why you are fretting about who is going to take our next penalty, the poor kid hasn't even been born yet

[Bassingham Terrier]

And here's a REALLY interesting stat from last season.
The only two penalties that we were awarded at home last season - Bristol (League) and Reading (FAC) - were both awarded by the same referee, Jeremy Simpson.
Yes, he was the truly dreadful ref for that FAC home game where Wells was booked for diving when subsequent photos have proved that Al-Habsi had his foot, and their two goals followed on from not-given fouls in the build-up.

[Deleted]

I wonder what rating Town gave the ref the other night? Or whether there was an assessor present and what his view was.

Be interesting to see whether he has been demoted to a lower league this weekend

[kennyk2]

Having had time to think about it, I can't remember two poorer refereeing decisions, since James Vaughan was wrestled to the ground by a neck-high tackle in the penalty area at home a couple of seasons ago. Was it Norwich?

[Doc Halladay 32]

It was against Charlton when Wallace had been sent off early - Amazingly the Ref rescinded the red on appeal. I remember it well (because it was that bad ) I emigrated the following day

Edit found the highlights too.

[El Mel]

Dec 1, 2016 13:56:18 GMT 1 Bassingham Terrier said:

And here's a REALLY interesting stat from last season.
The only two penalties that we were awarded at home last season - Bristol (League) and Reading (FAC) - were both awarded by the same referee, Jeremy Simpson.
Yes, he was the truly dreadful ref for that FAC home game where Wells was booked for diving when subsequent photos have proved that Al-Habsi had his foot, and their two goals followed on from not-given fouls in the build-up.

And Huws was fouled trying to get to the rebound of the penalty he missed.

[Porrohman]

Dec 1, 2016 15:36:10 GMT 1 kennyk2 said:

Having had time to think about it, I can't remember two poorer refereeing decisions, since James Vaughan was wrestled to the ground by a neck-high tackle in the penalty area at home a couple of seasons ago. Was it Norwich?

What about Russell Martin losing the ball to Butts then dragging him down when clean through and only getting a yellow ?

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[morleyterrier]

Dec 1, 2016 16:23:22 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Dec 1, 2016 15:36:10 GMT 1 kennyk2 said:

Having had time to think about it, I can't remember two poorer refereeing decisions, since James Vaughan was wrestled to the ground by a neck-high tackle in the penalty area at home a couple of seasons ago. Was it Norwich?

What about Russell Martin losing the ball to Butts then dragging him down when clean through and only getting a yellow ?

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The list goes on and on......

Look, we are all biased towards the Teams we support.

This ain't bias this though when it comes to referring decisions going against us, key match defining ones at that.

Surely somebody at the Club can compile a video with these clips and take it to the FA or whoever. Let's face it, these moments are so frequent it will be a decent length video.

Doing nothing by the Club is not an option. It's got silly, way beyond isolated incidents. Every match now.

[kennyk2]

Dec 1, 2016 16:29:51 GMT 1 morleyterrier said:

Dec 1, 2016 16:23:22 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

What about Russell Martin losing the ball to Butts then dragging him down when clean through and only getting a yellow ?

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The list goes on and on......

Look, we are all biased towards the Teams we support.

This ain't bias this though when it comes to referring decisions going against us, key match defining ones at that.

Surely somebody at the Club can compile a video with these clips and take it to the FA or whoever. Let's face it, these moments are so frequent it will be a decent length video.

Doing nothing by the Club is not an option. It's got silly, way beyond isolated incidents. Every match now.

I agree. I'm pretty phlegmatic about refereeing decisions, probably because I don't go to many matches and seeing it on highlights isn't the same as being there in the heat of battle. I have a lot of sympathy for referees whose decisions are heavily critiqued and from every angle. But, Monday night's decisions were outrageous.

Turned down penalty claim highlights at the end of the season would be interesting.

[detox]

we need a new chant,preferably before the game actually kicks off - " All referees are bastards" ..usual tune... Might as well set our stall out early on ... :-)

[kennyk2]

Forest v Newcastle, Shelvey sending off.

If that had been Town, Wells would have been booked for throwing himself against Shelvey's boot 3 times.

[rothwellterrier]

It gets funnier. Another off

Edit: for the shelvey sending off Lansbury was pathetic, he wasn't even sure which body part to hold. However shelvey was daft for attempting to kick out at him. On the second one Lansbury was going over before the defender touched him. Lansbury deserves to be red carded himself for his bloody hair do!

[terrier87]

Dec 2, 2016 21:34:55 GMT 1 rothwellterrier said:

It gets funnier. Another off

Another miss!

[Porrohman]

2 reds, 2 missed penalties !!!

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[Deleted]

Amazing 15 minutes of football

I wonder what percentage of penalties hit down the middle at waste height are saved? I bet it's very low yet there are still very few who do it

[workshyfop]

Dec 1, 2016 17:01:20 GMT 1 kennyk2 said:

Dec 1, 2016 16:29:51 GMT 1 morleyterrier said:

The list goes on and on......

Look, we are all biased towards the Teams we support.

This ain't bias this though when it comes to referring decisions going against us, key match defining ones at that.

Surely somebody at the Club can compile a video with these clips and take it to the FA or whoever. Let's face it, these moments are so frequent it will be a decent length video.

Doing nothing by the Club is not an option. It's got silly, way beyond isolated incidents. Every match now.

I agree. I'm pretty phlegmatic about refereeing decisions, probably because I don't go to many matches and seeing it on highlights isn't the same as being there in the heat of battle. I have a lot of sympathy for referees whose decisions are heavily critiqued and from every angle. But, Monday night's decisions were outrageous.

Turned down penalty claim highlights at the end of the season would be interesting.

Agreed, we've been on the rough end of some decisions this season. Not being a big club, we won't get what Newcastle et al will. However, I'm not going to get paranoid about it. I'm naively confident that officials do their best and call it as they see it. Same nonsense as when people accuse professional footballers of not trying. There's no reason a ref would prefer Wigan away to Town at home. It'll even itself out ... probably in a couple of hundred years!

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Compare the two penalty decisions (and subsequent sendings-off) to our appeals on Monday. Referees decision-making are consistently inconsistent.

[ilsonterrier]

Dec 2, 2016 21:34:55 GMT 1 rothwellterrier said:

It gets funnier. Another off

Edit: for the shelvey sending off Lansbury was pathetic, he wasn't even sure which body part to hold. However shelvey was daft for attempting to kick out at him. On the second one Lansbury was going over before the defender touched him. Lansbury deserves to be red carded himself for his bloody hair do!

My thoughts exactly. For the first one, whilst Shelvey was stupid it did seem as though it was six of one and half a dozen of the other, and Lansbury was just as bad as Shelvey. Lansbury was falling down before the defender touched him. How that is more of a penalty than the Kachunga one on Monday night I'll never know.

[Porrohman]

Gouffran gets yellow carded for sod all

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Dec 2, 2016 21:40:37 GMT 1 workshyfop said:

Dec 1, 2016 17:01:20 GMT 1 kennyk2 said:

I agree. I'm pretty phlegmatic about refereeing decisions, probably because I don't go to many matches and seeing it on highlights isn't the same as being there in the heat of battle. I have a lot of sympathy for referees whose decisions are heavily critiqued and from every angle. But, Monday night's decisions were outrageous.

Turned down penalty claim highlights at the end of the season would be interesting.

Agreed, we've been on the rough end of some decisions this season. Not being a big club, we won't get what Newcastle et al will. However, I'm not going to get paranoid about it. I'm naively confident that officials do their best and call it as they see it. Same nonsense as when people accuse professional footballers of not trying. There's no reason a ref would prefer Wigan away to Town at home. It'll even itself out ... probably in a couple of hundred years!

Going by what i've been watching i hope to hell we don't get what Newcastle are getting.

[morleyterrier]

Dec 2, 2016 21:46:31 GMT 1 @longdistancerunner said:

Compare the two penalty decisions (and subsequent sendings-off) to our appeals on Monday. Referees decision-making are consistently inconsistent.

We have the same ref from the Forest Newcastle game giving penalties like that and we get awarded 6 penalties in the last couple of home games.

4 at home to Birmingham and 2 at home to Wigan.

It makes my blood boil that we are being so badly done to with key decisions.

Then there is them twats from Sheffield getting one at our place that wins them the match (we had a similar one at home to Brum, one of many not given).

What the feck is going on!!!!?.

PS expect the same at Blackburn today. Until the Club take it to the powers that be, nothing will change. We are just too nice a Club with a nice Manager. Makes it easy to give us feck-all as there is no reproach be that in the media or anywhere.

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Dec 3, 2016 6:33:55 GMT 1 morleyterrier said:

Dec 2, 2016 21:46:31 GMT 1 @longdistancerunner said:

Compare the two penalty decisions (and subsequent sendings-off) to our appeals on Monday. Referees decision-making are consistently inconsistent.

We have the same ref from the Forest Newcastle game giving penalties like that and we get awarded 6 penalties in the last couple of home games.

4 at home to Birmingham and 2 at home to Wigan.

It makes my blood boil that we are being so badly done to with key decisions.

Then there is them twats from Sheffield getting one at our place that wins them the match (we had a similar one at home to Brum, one of many not given).

What the feck is going on!!!!?.

PS expect the same at Blackburn today. Until the Club take it to the powers that be, nothing will change. We are just too nice a Club with a nice Manager. Makes it easy to give us feck-all as there is no reproach be that in the media or anywhere.

While i agree with the sentiment of what you're saying Morley, the referee for Forest v Newcastle was bad to the other extreme. Conning the referee is becoming an art form though.

[kennyk2]

Dec 2, 2016 21:40:37 GMT 1 workshyfop said:

Dec 1, 2016 17:01:20 GMT 1 kennyk2 said:

I agree. I'm pretty phlegmatic about refereeing decisions, probably because I don't go to many matches and seeing it on highlights isn't the same as being there in the heat of battle. I have a lot of sympathy for referees whose decisions are heavily critiqued and from every angle. But, Monday night's decisions were outrageous.

Turned down penalty claim highlights at the end of the season would be interesting.

Agreed, we've been on the rough end of some decisions this season. Not being a big club, we won't get what Newcastle et al will. However, I'm not going to get paranoid about it. I'm naively confident that officials do their best and call it as they see it. Same nonsense as when people accuse professional footballers of not trying. There's no reason a ref would prefer Wigan away to Town at home. It'll even itself out ... probably in a couple of hundred years!

Have a look at the papers via the links earlier in the thread. There is a subconscious bias by referees regarding amongst other things, cards, disallowed goals and one of the papers describes crowd influence swaying referees decisions. That's why I said earlier that a nice study would be to look at referee bias between so-called larger and smaller teams. Easy to do, the only tricky part would be your initial design categories for each team.

[galpharm2400]

Dec 3, 2016 8:38:29 GMT 1 kennyk2 said:

Dec 2, 2016 21:40:37 GMT 1 workshyfop said:

Agreed, we've been on the rough end of some decisions this season. Not being a big club, we won't get what Newcastle et al will. However, I'm not going to get paranoid about it. I'm naively confident that officials do their best and call it as they see it. Same nonsense as when people accuse professional footballers of not trying. There's no reason a ref would prefer Wigan away to Town at home. It'll even itself out ... probably in a couple of hundred years!

Have a look at the papers via the links earlier in the thread. There is a subconscious bias by referees regarding amongst other things, cards, disallowed goals and one of the papers describes crowd influence swaying referees decisions. That's why I said earlier that a nice study would be to look at referee bias between so-called larger and smaller teams. Easy to do, the only tricky part would be your initial design categories for each team.

not getting into the bit about 'professional footballers not trying'??

Shelvey spent about 5 minutes calling a forest player a 'pussy' after he had obviously fouled him. Lansbury spends too much time falling over and whingeing before making a ludicrous and stupid challenge of his own. Both are playing their football here for a reason and its obvious why, given both can play.  Shelvey is still astounded that nobody came in for him after the other 10 Newcastle players let him and the club down last season?

The little fella playing 11 for Forest, Osborn?  showed everyone else up on the night..

You should not be sent off just because you are a twat but its a great place for refs to start.. Shelvey and Landsbury are both mega sized twats in a smaller pond, red cards waiting to happen.

Shelvey is the spitting image of one of the characters from the orginal film 'The Hills Have Eyes, I kid you not.  Maybe thats why 60k a week isnt softening whatever blows he has had in life to grow that enormous chip on his shoulder?

[kennyk2]

Dec 3, 2016 9:28:54 GMT 1 galpharm2400 said:

Dec 3, 2016 8:38:29 GMT 1 kennyk2 said:

Have a look at the papers via the links earlier in the thread. There is a subconscious bias by referees regarding amongst other things, cards, disallowed goals and one of the papers describes crowd influence swaying referees decisions. That's why I said earlier that a nice study would be to look at referee bias between so-called larger and smaller teams. Easy to do, the only tricky part would be your initial design categories for each team.

not getting into the bit about 'professional footballers not trying'??

Shelvey spent about 5 minutes calling a forest player a 'pussy' after he had obviously fouled him. Lansbury spends too much time falling over and whingeing before making a ludicrous and stupid challenge of his own. Both are playing their football here for a reason and its obvious why, given both can play.  Shelvey is still astounded that nobody came in for him after the other 10 Newcastle players let him and the club down last season?

The little fella playing 11 for Forest, Osborn?  showed everyone else up on the night..

You should not be sent off just because you are a twat but its a great place for refs to start.. Shelvey and Landsbury are both mega sized twats in a smaller pond, red cards waiting to happen.

Shelvey is the spitting image of one of the characters from the orginal film 'The Hills Have Eyes, I kid you not.  Maybe thats why 60k a week isnt softening whatever blows he has had in life to grow that enormous chip on his shoulder?

For his sending off, I thought Shelvey was practising his moped kick start!

A couple of mates who are Newcastle fans berating the referee. My response being, you're in the Championship now - better get used to it.

Saying that the ref didn't give the decision for the first penalty/Shelvey sending off because he had his back turned - the assistant gave it.

[galpharm2400]

Dec 3, 2016 9:35:45 GMT 1 kennyk2 said:

Dec 3, 2016 9:28:54 GMT 1 galpharm2400 said:

not getting into the bit about 'professional footballers not trying'??

Shelvey spent about 5 minutes calling a forest player a 'pussy' after he had obviously fouled him. Lansbury spends too much time falling over and whingeing before making a ludicrous and stupid challenge of his own. Both are playing their football here for a reason and its obvious why, given both can play.  Shelvey is still astounded that nobody came in for him after the other 10 Newcastle players let him and the club down last season?

The little fella playing 11 for Forest, Osborn?  showed everyone else up on the night..

You should not be sent off just because you are a twat but its a great place for refs to start.. Shelvey and Landsbury are both mega sized twats in a smaller pond, red cards waiting to happen.

Shelvey is the spitting image of one of the characters from the orginal film 'The Hills Have Eyes, I kid you not.  Maybe thats why 60k a week isnt softening whatever blows he has had in life to grow that enormous chip on his shoulder?

For his sending off, I thought Shelvey was practising his moped kick start!

A couple of mates who are Newcastle fans berating the referee. My response being, you're in the Championship now - better get used to it.

Saying that the ref didn't give the decision for the first penalty/Shelvey sending off because he had his back turned - the assistant gave it.

the newcastle coaches probably spent 15 minutes getting shelvey to breath deeply before the game whilst having 'Lansbury' whispered into his ear??

total waste of time.. nothing much happened for a long time and it was clear Shelvey was wound up..

you cant play in todays game if you can have an argument with yourself and lose it?

[morleyterrier]

Dec 3, 2016 7:18:57 GMT 1 @jameshudd72 said:

Dec 3, 2016 6:33:55 GMT 1 morleyterrier said:

We have the same ref from the Forest Newcastle game giving penalties like that and we get awarded 6 penalties in the last couple of home games.

4 at home to Birmingham and 2 at home to Wigan.

It makes my blood boil that we are being so badly done to with key decisions.

Then there is them twats from Sheffield getting one at our place that wins them the match (we had a similar one at home to Brum, one of many not given).

What the feck is going on!!!!?.

PS expect the same at Blackburn today. Until the Club take it to the powers that be, nothing will change. We are just too nice a Club with a nice Manager. Makes it easy to give us feck-all as there is no reproach be that in the media or anywhere.

While i agree with the sentiment of what you're saying Morley, the referee for Forest v Newcastle was bad to the other extreme. Conning the referee is becoming an art form though.

I also know what you are saying, Lansbury for example is an absolute toilet of a Supposed professional sports person. An embarrassment to the game.

I watched some local rugby last Saturday and saw two committed sets of Players show bravery and commitment (some of the young Lads going in to tackles against what in comparison looked like grown Men). It was an entertaining contests only marred by a Player who went down injured, you knew though that he was injured otherwise he wouldn't have been on the floor looking like he was in pain and the poor Lad had dislocated his ankle.

If somebody takes Lansbury out, like badly to his serious injury then fair does. Give him something to wrythe around and clutch his (that didn't get touched) face to the cheating bastard.

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Right, I'll level with you. I don't think there's a referees conspiracy against Town. That's a bit fanciful. There is, however, a fundamental problem with refereeing and it is exemplified by what happened on the Monday and Friday Sky games. I am amazed the 'pundits' haven't picked up on the dire officiating and the way both matches were effectively decided by blokes who weren't even kicking the frigging ball.
Saying that, I wouldn't do the job for all the Peroni in Italy. You need the skin of a rhino, selective deafness and eyes in your arsehole.
I think some refs are just shite at their job and that is the same in any profession. It just seems that we keep getting the really shit ones.

[rothwellterrier]

Dec 3, 2016 11:53:54 GMT 1 @longdistancerunner said:

Right, I'll level with you. I don't think there's a referees conspiracy against Town. That's a bit fanciful. There is, however, a fundamental problem with refereeing and it is exemplified by what happened on the Monday and Friday Sky games. I am amazed the 'pundits' haven't picked up on the dire officiating and the way both matches were effectively decided by blokes who weren't even kicking the frigging ball.
Saying that, I wouldn't do the job for all the Peroni in Italy. You need the skin of a rhino, selective deafness and eyes in your arsehole.
I think some refs are just shite at their job and that is the same in any profession. It just seems that we keep getting the really shit ones.

I totally agree with you. No conspiracy at all, just human error. The officials have to make a decision based on a split second view of an incident, from one angle (the lino and ref don't always see the incident together). Unless a way is found to incorporate some form of instant review/replay system (which fans wouldn't like because it would slow the game down) then we are just going to have to continue and live with this.
I also don't agree that making the officials professionals instead of amateur makes the blind bit of difference, it's just done for the sake of "doing something" to appease the critics.