Referees

[morleyterrier]

Dec 5, 2016 19:14:13 GMT 1 Henry Mcgee said:

Dec 5, 2016 7:49:59 GMT 1 trailingleg said:

The penalty that Newcastle were awarded against us was given to bring them back into the game IMO. I watched it several times and could not see an infringement that was worth a goal against us. Wednesday were awarded a penalty against us for a 50/50 shout and yet last season their player clearly handled a Billing header on the goal line which was waved away without a second thought. Reading are particularly favoured by referees for a reason that I think is suspicious. You know when Town go there that you will either get a man sent off or a penalty awarded against you in dubious circumstances. There is a referees' 'club' that selects its favoured teams and its scapegoats. I thought so before, but after the events of last week I am more than convinced. If the Hefele incident had been a Blackburn player in our box it categorically would not have been given as a penalty kick.
I believe that it's bias, not inconsistency.

100% penalty.  

Believing that refs are biased against your club?  Mad, just mad.

No it wasn't

[Henry Mcgee]

Dec 8, 2016 20:18:07 GMT 1 morleyterrier said:

Dec 5, 2016 19:14:13 GMT 1 Henry Mcgee said:

100% penalty.  

Believing that refs are biased against your club?  Mad, just mad.

No it wasn't

eh?

[Yuta be a terrier]

Dec 9, 2016 19:39:58 GMT 1 Henry Mcgee said:

Dec 8, 2016 20:18:07 GMT 1 morleyterrier said:

No it wasn't

eh?

Where would you put your hands if someone was volleying a ball at your head from point blank range? If that's not a 'natural position' then I don't know what is.

[Deleted]

Defenders might naturally try to pull their arms away from something like that, but attackers are generally less hard & need to protect their faces, hence that's why RVLP reacted like that.

I'm fully expecting that in the remainder of the season this will even itself out & the penalties given against us will be totally nailed on... :-)

[Deleted]

We always hear the phrase ball to hand

If you aren't looking at the ball and therefore don't know where it is, I'm not sure how anyone can say that is intentional hand to ball.

Just another bullshit decision to add to an ever growing list

[Terriersmad]

Dec 9, 2016 19:39:58 GMT 1 Henry Mcgee said:

Dec 8, 2016 20:18:07 GMT 1 morleyterrier said:

No it wasn't

eh?

Look at where the Sheffield Wednesday players' elbows are. Looking at the hand in this case, considering where it hit VLP, is misleading. Their elbows are in similar positions to VLP's, albeit not quite as far from his body. Elbow is part of hand, but that's what we need to think about, not the hand itself, if that makes sense.

Very much a 50/50 call at best for the attacking team, but one that always seems to go against us, especially galling when their lad made a magnificent dive across the line last season to save a certain goal.

Are refs biased per se? No. Do refs talk about teams to each other? Now there the secret may lie. I suspect they do, and that we've been on the wrong end of some conversations. Because if you think about it Wells has been on the wrong end of some awful penalty decisions, such as Reading and Wigan, alongside the slightly less clear cut if no less a penalty decision v Birmingham, and the only reason for that can be referees talking.

[Henry Mcgee]

I give up.

[morleyterrier]

Dec 9, 2016 21:38:49 GMT 1 Henry Mcgee said:

I give up.

If I blasted a ball at your face from close range would you:

A) let it smash you in the face (and defy natural Human reaction) or

B) instinctively put your hands up to protect your face.

Honest answer please.

[Henry Mcgee]

Honest answer - I'd stick my arms up and if the ball hit them I'd expect a penalty to be given. No arguments.

[Terriersmad]

Dec 9, 2016 22:38:51 GMT 1 Henry Mcgee said:

Honest answer - I'd stick my arms up and if the ball hit them I'd expect a penalty to be given. No arguments.

Then you're wilfully misinterpreting the laws of the game. In those circumstances I'd be furious at a referee because there'd be nothing I could do in what is an express ball-to-hand situation. Just out of interest, do you think the penalty at Newcastle was a penalty? Because I'd say that's most definitely not.

A handball should be given as a penalty if it is a DELIBERATE handball. This includes hands in an unnatural position. In the case you're arguing about, you're talking about something where a ball has been wellied at him from less than two yards away, when it has hit his elbow without a chance of getting out of the way. His hand is high, granted, and in an unnatural position. But it hasn't hit his hand, it's hit his elbow, something much harder to get out of the way of anything and much closer to his body. It is, at best, 50-50 for an attacker. I can see why it would be given, but it's a million miles from being a 100% penalty. It goes for you, you've got lucky, it goes against you, it's bad luck.

We're arguing because there are so many interpretations of the handball ruling. Deliberate handballs can be spotted and are easy to agree on. Handballs like that aren't, which is entirely the point - they're entirely up to individual interpretation and there needs to be more clarity.

[morleyterrier]

............

[impact]

2 penalties, possibly offside for the goal and now a keeper handles outside his area to stop Wells going through on an open net and gets booked.

This is getting ridiculous now.

[Deleted]

Dec 10, 2016 18:06:58 GMT 1 impact said:

2 penalties, possibly offside for the goal and now a keeper handles outside his area to stop Wells going through on an open net and gets booked.

This is getting ridiculous now.

Yeah, it is getting a bit silly now. Their keeper only gets a yellow for a defo red card offence. In terms of pens, Forest got two against Newcastle for lesser offences t'other night.

[DATM Travel Agent]

I don't think we should've had any penalties today. The booking for the keeper was utterly outrageous, inexcusable. Bizarrely though, not taking away from the magnitude of the error, it wasn't a bad thing that he wasn't sent off given that he gifted us the winner. We also got extremely lucky in the first half when Abraham got pulled up for a "foul" on Hefele when there was no foul at all. If the ref doesn't give that Abraham is clean through on goal with only Ward to beat. Big errors from the officials on both sides.

[impact]

Dec 10, 2016 18:22:16 GMT 1 DATM Travel Agent said:

I don't think we should've had any penalties today. The booking for the keeper was utterly outrageous, inexcusable. Bizarrely though, not taking away from the magnitude of the error, it wasn't a bad thing that he wasn't sent off given that he gifted us the winner. We also got extremely lucky in the first half when Abraham got pulled up for a "foul" on Hefele when there was no foul at all. If the ref doesn't give that Abraham is clean through on goal with only Ward to beat. Big errors from the officials on both sides.

He gave tens of free kicks for the same thing on Wells in the box. The handball looked fairly clear to me.

[waltzingthecowshed]

Abrahams foot was very high so its dangerous play, anyway he would have had lots to do to score from that even if it was play on...he got lots wrong for both sides but he clearly favoured Bristol, point being the keeper handles outside the area he wasnt going to give anything went over to the liner then bottle it and awards the yellow and the freekick thats plain cheating... always used to think ther must be a conspiracy against us for years but after today im totally convinced

[huddersfc]

im sorry but it was absolutely disgusting today, the hand ball offence was beyond laughable. There was something clearly going on, and we must go to the FA, because its gone beyond just mistakes from the officials point of view. It was obvious as soon as the ref went over to the linesman that they were going to try and concoct a yellow card instead of a red, and sure enough, they worked one out of thin air. I am genuinely fed up of going and getting screwed, I cant remember it being as consistently bad for a long long time now.

[morleyterrier]

Today, even better as we played the bent bastard in the middle and the Linesman. It's a fucking joke.

[capitalterrier]

Had we not won we would all rightly be fuming. Fucking awful performance from the ref for the keepers booking alone.

[explorer]

We are feature match in C5 tonight (apparantly) so hopefully we will get a proper look at the handball saga.

[aksaiblue]

He lost control today at times - the goalie incident was a naieve (being lenient) decision. The good thing is the game was televised in 44 countries, so his incompetence will not go unnoticed

[artysid]

Thought the linesman on the Kilner bank side was even worse than the ref today

[morleyterrier]

Dec 10, 2016 19:41:46 GMT 1 explorer said:

We are feature match in C5 tonight (apparantly) so hopefully we will get a proper look at the handball saga.

Or a decent look at that bird on channel 5's tits.

[mayorofcov (BFHB) Honours]

Dec 9, 2016 19:46:01 GMT 1 Yuta be a terrier said:

Dec 9, 2016 19:39:58 GMT 1 Henry Mcgee said:

eh?

Where would you put your hands if someone was volleying a ball at your head from point blank range? If that's not a 'natural position' then I don't know what is.

[mayorofcov (BFHB) Honours]

On the head mate you ever played the game looking at Steve Bruce face ee never done that fooker

[HalifaxTerrier]

What about their number 15 that he bottled sending off? Already on a yellow and he had a right strop in front of the ref and told him where to go, supposed to be an automatic yellow these days (like VLP at Reading) but he just gets a talking to.

Also hated them not giving the ball back after Heff had received treatment, especially when Johnson had kicked the ball back at Lowe as he let it go out too. Cheating gets!

[morleyterrier]

Fuck em,let's do it the hard way.

We don't need these wankers doing us over every week

[oldrain]

The only thing the performance of the ref did today was galvanise the crowd which pushed the team on justice at last the only way the winning goal could have been sweeter was if their manager had walked on the pitch the ball hit him full in the face and flown over the top of their keeper cheating little git

[Deleted]

The weakest part of the refs game IMO, was his decision making on whether it was a talking to, yellow or a red.

I think a penalty for Flint on Wells would have been harsh. There were at least one or two occasions where we went down too easy today.

Hefele is a big lad but went down a couple of times from next to nothing.

[midge]

Dec 10, 2016 20:05:11 GMT 1 HalifaxTerrier said:

What about their number 15 that he bottled sending off? Already on a yellow and he had a right strop in front of the ref and told him where to go, supposed to be an automatic yellow these days (like VLP at Reading) but he just gets a talking to.

Also hated them not giving the ball back after Heff had received treatment, especially when Johnson had kicked the ball back at Lowe as he let it go out too. Cheating gets!

It was a strange incident that!

Think their trainer treated one of our players cos there were 2 down but just had a feeling that with 9 men they wouldn't give it back- and they didn't!!!