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Post by Junior & Onuora on May 19, 2024 17:41:52 GMT 1
I really don't get this. The same way that some people hated Corberan football with playing out from the back. Guardiola not only plays winning football, their goals scored for column is incredible - currently at 95 in a 38 game league. It might not be to your sensibilities, but to call it boring, tedious and sterile is just bollocks. Would fooking love to see Town score 2.5 goals a game next season! It's massively tedious, they just pass teams to death. Cheated too with FFP. The way the commentator is right up pep and man city's arse makes me want to vomit. Another reason why I rarely watch PL. I don't know when commentators stopped being objective and started being fan boys, it's nauseating and unprofessional imo. See it with Klopp too. This isn't a special game, man city are just doing what they're expected to because of the money they've spent. Nobody in football wants them to win except their own fans... And spurs fans of course. Hopefully they'll fk off to a European super League and they can stop polluting our competition. It's not a great football story, it's just boring. I fully get your understanding of your dislike of Man City. I'm exactly the same. But what I don't get is that their style of football is anti-football or sterile or boring or tedious (et al.). It has brought us the highest-scoring league ever. If that's not what's your benchmark, what makes a league/club boring? |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on May 19, 2024 17:50:51 GMT 1
Man City winning all the time is boring, the way they play to be honest is boring. There's literally nothing about them at all that excites or interests me. Boring. I said this before, and was laughed at for it, but I think Guardiola has ruined the game in this country. Now, everyone wants to try and play like Man City and it's incredibly boring to watch. They are right to laugh at you. The stats are clear: As more and more teams try to play like Man City, the goals to games average has gone up. So if more goals = boring, tell what makes a game exciting? |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 19, 2024 17:52:11 GMT 1
Just because there are more goals doesn’t mean the game is more exciting.
Huge periods of sterile play, trying to pick through the eye of a needle.
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Post by htafcokay on May 19, 2024 17:53:17 GMT 1
I said this before, and was laughed at for it, but I think Guardiola has ruined the game in this country. Now, everyone wants to try and play like Man City and it's incredibly boring to watch. They are right to laugh at you. The stats are clear: As more and more teams try to play like Man City, the goals to games average has gone up. So if more goals = boring, tell what makes a game exciting? I thought they might be  I find the way they play very boring, it's not exciting football, it's snoozefest football. You obviously disagree, which is fine. End of discussion. |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on May 19, 2024 18:02:08 GMT 1
Just because there are more goals doesn’t mean the game is more exciting. Huge periods of sterile play, trying to pick through the eye of a needle. Remember "Boring, boring Arsenal"? They were winners, but the back-pass law was brought in to stop their genuine snooze-fest of playing. In 91/92, Liverpool finished 6th in the league having scored 47 goals. This year Luton will go down having scored 52. If you think this is a boring era of the top tier (and the influence it has on the below leagues) then I'm struggling to understand what you're harping after. |
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Post by stevvy on May 19, 2024 18:03:28 GMT 1
They are right to laugh at you. The stats are clear: As more and more teams try to play like Man City, the goals to games average has gone up. So if more goals = boring, tell what makes a game exciting? I thought they might be I find the way they play very boring, it's not exciting football, it's snoozefest football. You obviously disagree, which is fine. End of discussion. Yep. Said before that if I wanted to watch a team that wins all the time, I'd watch Man City. If I wanted to be entertained however, I wouldn't. They might score a fair few, but the style of play is absolutely fucking tedious. Heck, I'd probably rather watch long ball than 20 minutes of pissing about with the ball at the back between the keeper and the various defenders/defensive midfielders |
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Post by htafcokay on May 19, 2024 18:05:25 GMT 1
I thought they might be I find the way they play very boring, it's not exciting football, it's snoozefest football. You obviously disagree, which is fine. End of discussion. Yep. Said before that if I wanted to watch a team that wins all the time, I'd watch Man City. If I wanted to be entertained however, I wouldn't. They might score a fair few, but the style of play is absolutely fucking tedious. Heck, I'd probably rather watch long ball than 20 minutes of pissing about with the ball at the back between the keeper and the various defenders/defensive midfielders I'd much rather watch Liverpool play than City. And I don't think I've ever seen better football than what Arsenal played at the pomp in the 2000s, that was exciting to watch. City are just boring. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 19, 2024 18:07:20 GMT 1
There is definitely something repetitively boring about watching Man City.
I put their game on, left the room after 25 minutes, came back after 10 minutes and found myself scrolling at other football related stuff on my phone. Watched 10 minutes of second half and didn’t bother with the rest.
I get the goals per game, great stats etc but fuck me it’s drab to watch.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 19, 2024 18:13:19 GMT 1
Just because there are more goals doesn’t mean the game is more exciting. Huge periods of sterile play, trying to pick through the eye of a needle. Remember "Boring, boring Arsenal"? They were winners, but the back-pass law was brought in to stop their genuine snooze-fest of playing. In 91/92, Liverpool finished 6th in the league having scored 47 goals. This year Luton will go down having scored 52. If you think this is a boring era of the top tier (and the influence it has on the below leagues) then I'm struggling to understand what you're harping after. The technical side of the game has taken over, that’s all. They’re an acquired taste. I don’t doubt that many Man C fans will be thinking about any of these things right now, but it felt a bit soulless for large parts of that game. And they’ve nicked their ‘celebration’ from another club… |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on May 19, 2024 18:13:44 GMT 1
It's not just about City, though. This is a much bigger thing that requires a much more zoomed-out reference.
Globally, football has changed because of what the Spanish FA did to change kids' football 30 years ago. Pep at Man City is just the tip of the pyramid with this.
It almost certainly won't last forever. In the next ten years a new (winning) system will emerge that will dominate global football.
But this period will be remembered for a great goal ratio and skillful players who were allowed to play (can you imagine a player the size of Foden being allowed to flourish in the era of 70s Leeds' dominance?).
To call it anti-football is just daft.
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Post by space hardware on May 19, 2024 18:16:34 GMT 1
I hate it. Sterile, tedious shite. I look forward to the day Guardiola fucks off to ruin another League. Yes, I am bitter 😁 I really don't get this. The same way that some people hated Corberan football with playing out from the back. Guardiola not only plays winning football, their goals scored for column is incredible - currently at 95 in a 38 game league. It might not be to your sensibilities, but to call it boring, tedious and sterile is just bollocks. Would fooking love to see Town score 2.5 goals a game next season! It's probably just me but I can't stand Guardiola. Horrible little hypocritical drug cheat. The sooner he's gone, the better. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 19, 2024 18:16:58 GMT 1
It's not just about City, though. This is a much bigger thing that requires a much more zoomed-out reference. Globally, football has changed because of what the Spanish FA did to change kids' football 30 years ago. Pep at Man City is just the tip of the pyramid with this. It almost certainly won't last forever. In the next ten years a new (winning) system will emerge that will dominate global football. But this period will be remembered for a great goal ratio and skillful players who were allowed to play (can you imagine a player the size of Foden being allowed to flourish in the era of 70s Leeds' dominance?). To call it anti-football is just daft. I get the bit about Foden, I’d agree with that one. But as said it’s because the technical side of the game is flourishing just now, but that’s homogenised football really. It would help if players didn’t con the refs every 30 seconds as well. So many of these players are so talented they don’t need to cheat, but I think they get coached to cheat nowadays. It’s refreshing when we see a side turn up at Town and don’t do all the gamesmanship stuff. It’s a very rare occurrence now though. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 19, 2024 18:18:38 GMT 1
It's not just about City, though. This is a much bigger thing that requires a much more zoomed-out reference. Globally, football has changed because of what the Spanish FA did to change kids' football 30 years ago. Pep at Man City is just the tip of the pyramid with this. It almost certainly won't last forever. In the next ten years a new (winning) system will emerge that will dominate global football. But this period will be remembered for a great goal ratio and skillful players who were allowed to play (can you imagine a player the size of Foden being allowed to flourish in the era of 70s Leeds' dominance?). To call it anti-football is just daft. I’m personally not calling it anti football. Just painstakingly mundane to watch. Given it was a title decider too, my lack of interest in that particular game is solely based on my boredom watching it. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 19, 2024 18:19:00 GMT 1
I really don't get this. The same way that some people hated Corberan football with playing out from the back. Guardiola not only plays winning football, their goals scored for column is incredible - currently at 95 in a 38 game league. It might not be to your sensibilities, but to call it boring, tedious and sterile is just bollocks. Would fooking love to see Town score 2.5 goals a game next season! It's probably just me but I can't stand Guardiola. Horrible little hypocritical drug cheat. The sooner he's gone, the better. He has no class whatsoever. Every time they lose, he kicks off and sulks. Had no problem with him until we played them down here and he came running down the touchline in front of the Riverside fist pumping at the end of the game. They'd beaten Huddersfield not Real Madrid. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 19, 2024 18:20:49 GMT 1
Anyway, that’s the wankfest over for another season.
Can someone drop a note on here when Man C have finished rolling out their backroom staff. 😂
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Post by Junior & Onuora on May 19, 2024 18:22:22 GMT 1
I really don't get this. The same way that some people hated Corberan football with playing out from the back. Guardiola not only plays winning football, their goals scored for column is incredible - currently at 95 in a 38 game league. It might not be to your sensibilities, but to call it boring, tedious and sterile is just bollocks. Would fooking love to see Town score 2.5 goals a game next season! It's probably just me but I can't stand Guardiola. Horrible little hypocritical drug cheat. The sooner he's gone, the better. I'm going to copy and paste this... This isn't about Guardiola (I don't like him) nor about Man City (I don't think them). This was me saying that the idea of building from the back - which is now being employed by clubs of all levels - being 'boring' directly conflicts with the statical evidence. This started with the Spanish FA 30 years ago when they completely reorganised how kids' football was to be played. Nothing to do with Pep. |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on May 19, 2024 18:22:42 GMT 1
It's probably just me but I can't stand Guardiola. Horrible little hypocritical drug cheat. The sooner he's gone, the better. He has no class whatsoever. Every time they lose, he kicks off and sulks. Had no problem with him until we played them down here and he came running down the touchline in front of the Riverside fist pumping at the end of the game. They'd beaten Huddersfield not Real Madrid. I'm going to copy and paste this... This isn't about Guardiola (I don't like him) nor about Man City (I don't think them). This was me saying that the idea of building from the back - which is now being employed by clubs of all levels - being 'boring' directly conflicts with the statical evidence. This started with the Spanish FA 30 years ago when they completely reorganised how kids' football was to be played. Nothing to do with Pep. |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on May 19, 2024 18:23:30 GMT 1
It's not just about City, though. This is a much bigger thing that requires a much more zoomed-out reference. Globally, football has changed because of what the Spanish FA did to change kids' football 30 years ago. Pep at Man City is just the tip of the pyramid with this. It almost certainly won't last forever. In the next ten years a new (winning) system will emerge that will dominate global football. But this period will be remembered for a great goal ratio and skillful players who were allowed to play (can you imagine a player the size of Foden being allowed to flourish in the era of 70s Leeds' dominance?). To call it anti-football is just daft. I get the bit about Foden, I’d agree with that one. But as said it’s because the technical side of the game is flourishing just now, but that’s homogenised football really. It would help if players didn’t con the refs every 30 seconds as well. So many of these players are so talented they don’t need to cheat, but I think they get coached to cheat nowadays. It’s refreshing when we see a side turn up at Town and don’t do all the gamesmanship stuff. It’s a very rare occurrence now though. I'm going to copy and paste this... This isn't about Guardiola (I don't like him) nor about Man City (I don't think them). This was me saying that the idea of building from the back - which is now being employed by clubs of all levels - being 'boring' directly conflicts with the statical evidence. This started with the Spanish FA 30 years ago when they completely reorganised how kids' football was to be played. Nothing to do with Pep. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 19, 2024 18:24:01 GMT 1
He has no class whatsoever. Every time they lose, he kicks off and sulks. Had no problem with him until we played them down here and he came running down the touchline in front of the Riverside fist pumping at the end of the game. They'd beaten Huddersfield not Real Madrid. I'm going to copy and paste this... This isn't about Guardiola (I don't like him) nor about Man City (I don't think them). This was me saying that the idea of building from the back - which is now being employed by clubs of all levels - being 'boring' directly conflicts with the statical evidence. This started with the Spanish FA 30 years ago when they completely reorganised how kids' football was to be played. Nothing to do with Pep. Cool. |
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Post by tepidterrier on May 19, 2024 18:29:19 GMT 1
There is definitely something repetitively boring about watching Man City. I put their game on, left the room after 25 minutes, came back after 10 minutes and found myself scrolling at other football related stuff on my phone. Watched 10 minutes of second half and didn’t bother with the rest. I get the goals per game, great stats etc but fuck me it’s drab to watch. their fans will agree with you. I went to one of their games a few years ago, they won 4-0. It was a sterile atmosphere, every goal was met with little more than polite applause, there was notably never the 'go on' before the goal that has happened in every other English game I've been to. The crowd half arsedly watch, because the attention span required to appreciate the complexity of what they're doing is too long. Pep has attempted to solve football, whereas fans like watching a game |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 19, 2024 18:32:18 GMT 1
I get the bit about Foden, I’d agree with that one. But as said it’s because the technical side of the game is flourishing just now, but that’s homogenised football really. It would help if players didn’t con the refs every 30 seconds as well. So many of these players are so talented they don’t need to cheat, but I think they get coached to cheat nowadays. It’s refreshing when we see a side turn up at Town and don’t do all the gamesmanship stuff. It’s a very rare occurrence now though. - being 'boring' directly conflicts with the statical evidence. I don’t think you are grasping how boring it is for alot of football watching fans. I don’t pay to watch stats, I pay to be entertained or, if it’s Town, enraged. |
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on May 19, 2024 18:35:05 GMT 1
This was me saying that the idea of building from the back - which is now being employed by clubs of all levels. You should watch Lossiemouth try to do it. Not for the faint hearted fan I can tell you, considering half of them couldn't trap a bag of cement. |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on May 19, 2024 18:36:47 GMT 1
- being 'boring' directly conflicts with the statical evidence. I don’t think you are grasping how boring it is for alot of football watching fans. I don’t pay to watch stats, I pay to be entertained or, if it’s Town, enraged. I watch as much football as I can. Sometimes one on the telly and one on the laptop. What I don't want to happen is a 0-0 or a 1-0. The likelihood of that happening has decreased massively since teams have developed this new way of playing. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 19, 2024 18:37:34 GMT 1
There is definitely something repetitively boring about watching Man City. I put their game on, left the room after 25 minutes, came back after 10 minutes and found myself scrolling at other football related stuff on my phone. Watched 10 minutes of second half and didn’t bother with the rest. I get the goals per game, great stats etc but fuck me it’s drab to watch. their fans will agree with you. I went to one of their games a few years ago, they won 4-0. It was a sterile atmosphere, every goal was met with little more than polite applause, there was notably never the 'go on' before the goal that has happened in every other English game I've been to. The crowd half arsedly watch, because the attention span required to appreciate the complexity of what they're doing is too long. Pep has attempted to solve football, whereas fans like watching a game I was there in 2018 when they lifted the title. The atmosphere was shite, and our fans made more noise. Empty seats everywhere as well. All rather strange. |
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Post by markthehorn on May 19, 2024 18:39:10 GMT 1
They are a bit dull at times but obviously have that cutting edge to suddenly burst into life whereas we all try to copy them and generally miss out the second bit! But football evolves. Hungary were the team of the 50s by stopping being rigid in terms of possession. If the 'boring Man City' way of playing proves to be a winning tactic, eventually everyone will play that way... Until another (better) way comes by. As far as 'boring, tedious and sterile' is concerned, it's a long way from the Route One football I grew up watching in the 80s and 90s. Fair point although cannot say much as we were pretty successful with that under Graham Taylor . I think trouble is teams at all levels try to copy Man C and their very effective easy on the eye style but it obviously doesn’t have the same affect ! |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on May 19, 2024 18:42:09 GMT 1
But football evolves. Hungary were the team of the 50s by stopping being rigid in terms of possession. If the 'boring Man City' way of playing proves to be a winning tactic, eventually everyone will play that way... Until another (better) way comes by. As far as 'boring, tedious and sterile' is concerned, it's a long way from the Route One football I grew up watching in the 80s and 90s. Fair point although cannot say much as we were pretty successful with that under Graham Taylor . I think trouble is teams at all levels try to copy Man C and their very effective easy on the style but it obviously doesn’t have the same affect ! We were a VAR awarded penalty away from the Premier League using this style just a two years ago. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 19, 2024 18:47:23 GMT 1
I don’t think you are grasping how boring it is for alot of football watching fans. I don’t pay to watch stats, I pay to be entertained or, if it’s Town, enraged. I watch as much football as I can. Sometimes one on the telly and one on the laptop. What I don't want to happen is a 0-0 or a 1-0. The likelihood of that happening has decreased massively since teams have developed this new way of playing. It’s hard to get a tone of voice through words on a screen. I’m not being a dick. I would rather watch a 0-0 game between Halifax and Gateshead than a routine Man City 5 - 0 Fulham borefest. It’s not about how many goals are scored. It’s about watching 22 players fight for a game. Not 11 players constantly passing it to each other for 90 minutes whilst the other 11 players run around like lemons trying to catch them. It was nice to see when Spain started playing this way as it was new and fresh. But now it’s dull to watch. Each to their own. It’s not for me. |
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Post by Kirchenglocken on May 19, 2024 18:51:38 GMT 1
I don’t think you are grasping how boring it is for alot of football watching fans. I don’t pay to watch stats, I pay to be entertained or, if it’s Town, enraged. I watch as much football as I can. Sometimes one on the telly and one on the laptop. What I don't want to happen is a 0-0 or a 1-0. The likelihood of that happening has decreased massively since teams have developed this new way of playing. Tbf though you interpret goals as being the fun element of games. I have seen many a nil nil or 1-0 game which was unbelievably entertaining or full of emotion. Goals are of course brilliant but I won't pretend as though it is the only criteria for enjoying football. |
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Post by stevvy on May 19, 2024 19:09:50 GMT 1
I watch as much football as I can. Sometimes one on the telly and one on the laptop. What I don't want to happen is a 0-0 or a 1-0. The likelihood of that happening has decreased massively since teams have developed this new way of playing. Tbf though you interpret goals as being the fun element of games. I have seen many a nil nil or 1-0 game which was unbelievably entertaining or full of emotion. Goals are of course brilliant but I won't pretend as though it is the only criteria for enjoying football. Agreed. Seen some thrilling 0-0 and 1-0 games over the years. Man City might score a lot, but the style.of play is boring. I couldn't give a shit where it came from, it's boring. Stats, goals, whatever else, doesn't automatically make it interesting or exciting. |
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Post by henryc on May 19, 2024 19:45:50 GMT 1
Grealish is a good example for me, exciting maverick type of player before he joined City.
It’s depressing to watch him now, fake to take on the full back a few times before inevitably cutting back or inside to opt for a simple pass instead.
Up until Foden recently it felt like De Bruyne was the only player that you didn’t already know exactly what they was going to do.
Best way I could describe what it’s like for me watching a Guardiola side is those assemblies as a kid where you had to sing the same bullshit hymns for what felt like an eternity.
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