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Post by iangreaves on Apr 5, 2021 19:17:35 GMT 1
We have Rotherham, Forest, Blackburn and Coventry to play. If we can't get the points we need from those, then we deserve to go down.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 5, 2021 19:19:57 GMT 1
Don't be . The only conceivable scenario is that Rotherham go on a run . They won't- they've just lost 3-0 at home to Wycombe. Even if they beat cardiff and we lose to Norwich Wednesday need to win three and we lose three in order that they go above us. Again-aint going to happen Seems like this sort of conversation happens every year in the Championship for Town. As comfortable as it looks right now, someone always goes on a run. Add to that, Town have a very tough run in whilst Rotherham and Wednesday have much easier ones. This isn’t done yet. Blimey .. these are some runs that Rotherham Wycombe and Wednesday have to go on . I wouldn't be surprised if they failed to beat our current total and we've got 8 ? games left |
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Post by gazramataz on Apr 5, 2021 19:20:34 GMT 1
They didnt when we played them. Well compare this performance against Cardiff to ours. We thrashed Swansea and while our form has improved, it hardly set us off on some winning run. An unexpected result for Sheff Wed, but I wouldn't be declaring the great escape just yet. |
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Post by wigster on Apr 5, 2021 19:21:10 GMT 1
How many of our current strikers would you have backed to finish that? Be a good addition if the rumours are true. None. Can’t understand why there are some who still think Rhodes wouldn’t strengthen us, he’s streets ahead of what we have currently up front. Quite simply he scores goals. Our strikers don't, and rarely have - Campbell one adequate, not good, season in his career Ward one season at Rotherham . |
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Post by impact on Apr 5, 2021 19:22:18 GMT 1
In term of reuslts, I sure hope so. In terms of style, please God no. As you say credit to their coaches for finding a way that suits their players and to get the wins but I'd hate to see us play like that every week. Oh, aye. Because ain't it just awful winning games. Walking back along St Andrews Road despondent because even though you're in the play off positions, the team didn't meet the Corinthian ideals you have inside your mind. I will never understand these "I'd rather lose 5-4 and play well than win 1-0" types. Never. We played some bloody awful football under Warnock, but they are some of my happiest memories as we moved from being a bunch of try hards to a team that wins. There's no better feeling than picking up the paper on a Monday morning and checking out the results when your team has won (again). How about rather than jumping to extremes you ask what I'm meaning. I don't expect us to play total football. I do expect us to find a way of playing that isn't lumping the ball forward as much as possible. That isn't just me saying it from some position of snobbery or "Corinthian ideals", the stats back it up. They lead the league in innacurate long balls at 61 per game, or around 1 every 40 seconds. That's 7 per game more than the 2nd worst of Wycombe. That's coupled with the fewest accurate long balls per game of 21. In other words, hit long and hope. They complete just 58% of their passes. The only team worse than them is Wycombe. Maybe some people are win at all costs no matter what the football is like. Winning to me is generally more important than style, but there are limits to that, and I personally wouldn't want to see us play like them next year. As I said credit to their staff for finding a way that works for them and good luck to them, but it's a really poor watch. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 19:29:51 GMT 1
Oh, aye. Because ain't it just awful winning games. Walking back along St Andrews Road despondent because even though you're in the play off positions, the team didn't meet the Corinthian ideals you have inside your mind. I will never understand these "I'd rather lose 5-4 and play well than win 1-0" types. Never. We played some bloody awful football under Warnock, but they are some of my happiest memories as we moved from being a bunch of try hards to a team that wins. There's no better feeling than picking up the paper on a Monday morning and checking out the results when your team has won (again). How about rather than jumping to extremes you ask what I'm meaning. I don't expect us to play total football. I do expect us to find a way of playing that isn't lumping the ball forward as much as possible. That isn't just me saying it from some position of snobbery or "Corinthian ideals", the stats back it up. They lead the league in innacurate long balls at 61 per game, or around 1 every 40 seconds. That's 7 per game more than the 2nd worst of Wycombe. That's coupled with the fewest accurate long balls per game of 21. In other words, hit long and hope. They complete just 58% of their passes. The only team worse than them is Wycombe. Maybe some people are win at all costs no matter what the football is like. Winning to me is generally more important than style, but there are limits to that, and I personally wouldn't want to see us play like them next year. As I said credit to their staff for finding a way that works for them and good luck to them, but it's a really poor watch. Cool. Here's to another relegation scare next year. But, hey, don't we have a wonderful pass completion rate? |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 5, 2021 19:31:10 GMT 1
Barnsley are probably doing something similar to our promotion season. Grinding out wins by the odd goal. Only difference is that they've built up, whereas we were up in the top 6 for pretty much all of the season.
I still wonder what the league would look like with fans in the ground.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 5, 2021 19:32:57 GMT 1
Owls talk will be a sea of delusion tonight.
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Post by westislandterrier on Apr 5, 2021 19:33:28 GMT 1
We have Rotherham, Forest, Blackburn and Coventry to play. If we can't get the points we need from those, then we deserve to go down. Yep totally agree ! Would be totally unacceptable though to be relegated in a League with Rotherham, Coventry and Wycombe in ma humble opinion, though should they all (unlikely) prevail they’ll have earned it. |
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Post by impact on Apr 5, 2021 19:33:28 GMT 1
How about rather than jumping to extremes you ask what I'm meaning. I don't expect us to play total football. I do expect us to find a way of playing that isn't lumping the ball forward as much as possible. That isn't just me saying it from some position of snobbery or "Corinthian ideals", the stats back it up. They lead the league in innacurate long balls at 61 per game, or around 1 every 40 seconds. That's 7 per game more than the 2nd worst of Wycombe. That's coupled with the fewest accurate long balls per game of 21. In other words, hit long and hope. They complete just 58% of their passes. The only team worse than them is Wycombe. Maybe some people are win at all costs no matter what the football is like. Winning to me is generally more important than style, but there are limits to that, and I personally wouldn't want to see us play like them next year. As I said credit to their staff for finding a way that works for them and good luck to them, but it's a really poor watch. Cool. Here's to another relegation scare next year. But, hey, don't we have a wonderful pass completion rate? Yeah you're right, we definitely didn't get promoted in 16/17 with one of the smallest budgets in the league and the 3rd highest pass completion rate. Apparently it can't be done, we just have to play like Barnsley or it's relegation. Great argument. |
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Post by sabailand on Apr 5, 2021 19:37:45 GMT 1
Commentator tonight....`This giant of a club`....ffs they haven't been in the top flight for over 20 years and spent seasons in the third tier in that time, despite number of spells in the top tier that`ve never been a giant, big city yes giant club no.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 19:37:59 GMT 1
Well compare this performance against Cardiff to ours. We thrashed Swansea and while our form has improved, it hardly set us off on some winning run. An unexpected result for Sheff Wed, but I wouldn't be declaring the great escape just yet. as I said in a post a few days ago anything is possible and we still h Ave work to do but so do the others I cannot understand any one who thinks we are safe when there are twenty four points available as there is over for some some o here if they knew the championship wouldn't spout such drivel |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 19:38:22 GMT 1
Cool. Here's to another relegation scare next year. But, hey, don't we have a wonderful pass completion rate? Yeah you're right, we definitely didn't get promoted in 16/17 with one of the smallest budgets in the league and the 3rd highest pass completion rate. Apparently it can't be done, we just have to play like Barnsley or it's relegation. Great argument. As I said earlier in the thread, you have to work with what you've got. Sometimes, that means sacrificing ideals. Let's not forget, we didn't play all-out beautiful football when we went up with Wagner. Instead, we took full advantage of our superior fitness and chased down every ball. We got so many winners in the last ten minutes precisely because of this tactic. And I fully applaud that. I work with about a dozen Barnsley fans, and I know that none of them would swap places with us right now. They are quite happy with the football as it is right now. |
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Post by ACW on Apr 5, 2021 19:39:22 GMT 1
How about rather than jumping to extremes you ask what I'm meaning. I don't expect us to play total football. I do expect us to find a way of playing that isn't lumping the ball forward as much as possible. That isn't just me saying it from some position of snobbery or "Corinthian ideals", the stats back it up. They lead the league in innacurate long balls at 61 per game, or around 1 every 40 seconds. That's 7 per game more than the 2nd worst of Wycombe. That's coupled with the fewest accurate long balls per game of 21. In other words, hit long and hope. They complete just 58% of their passes. The only team worse than them is Wycombe. Maybe some people are win at all costs no matter what the football is like. Winning to me is generally more important than style, but there are limits to that, and I personally wouldn't want to see us play like them next year. As I said credit to their staff for finding a way that works for them and good luck to them, but it's a really poor watch. Cool. Here's to another relegation scare next year. But, hey, don't we have a wonderful pass completion rate? They you go again, over simplifying things again. It's not that black and white. |
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Post by impact on Apr 5, 2021 19:41:25 GMT 1
Oh, aye. Because ain't it just awful winning games. Walking back along St Andrews Road despondent because even though you're in the play off positions, the team didn't meet the Corinthian ideals you have inside your mind. I will never understand these "I'd rather lose 5-4 and play well than win 1-0" types. Never. We played some bloody awful football under Warnock, but they are some of my happiest memories as we moved from being a bunch of try hards to a team that wins. There's no better feeling than picking up the paper on a Monday morning and checking out the results when your team has won (again). Agree. I’d much prefer us to go for the jugular than watch a 57 pass move end up back at the feet of our Goalkeeper. And I don't think anyone would disagree with you. But there are ways to play attacking football that isn't just smashing the ball down field. Leicester were that team when they won the title. They did exactly what you said in going for the jugular but did it by playing decent football and hitting teams quickly on the break. It wasn't just a case of hitting it long and hoping. |
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Post by ACW on Apr 5, 2021 19:41:56 GMT 1
Yeah you're right, we definitely didn't get promoted in 16/17 with one of the smallest budgets in the league and the 3rd highest pass completion rate. Apparently it can't be done, we just have to play like Barnsley or it's relegation. Great argument. As I said earlier in the thread, you have to work with what you've got. Sometimes, that means sacrificing ideals. Let's not forget, we didn't play all-out beautiful football when we went up with Wagner. Instead, we took full advantage of our superior fitness and chased down every ball. We got so many winners in the last ten minutes precisely because of this tactic. And I fully applaud that. I work with about a dozen Barnsley fans, and I know that none of them would swap places with us right now. They are quite happy with the football as it is right now. We played a very effective passing game under Wagner in the season we went up. |
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Post by impact on Apr 5, 2021 19:48:03 GMT 1
Yeah you're right, we definitely didn't get promoted in 16/17 with one of the smallest budgets in the league and the 3rd highest pass completion rate. Apparently it can't be done, we just have to play like Barnsley or it's relegation. Great argument. As I said earlier in the thread, you have to work with what you've got. Sometimes, that means sacrificing ideals. Let's not forget, we didn't play all-out beautiful football when we went up with Wagner. Instead, we took full advantage of our superior fitness and chased down every ball. We got so many winners in the last ten minutes precisely because of this tactic. And I fully applaud that. I work with about a dozen Barnsley fans, and I know that none of them would swap places with us right now. They are quite happy with the football as it is right now. "All-out beautiful football" - once again who has said we have to play that? You don't seem to realise there is a middle ground between lumping it forward and playing like Man City. In 16/17 we played good football. We got the ball down, passed it, pushed the full-backs forward and when we lost it, pressed the shit out of teams without the ball. It was good to watch. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 19:48:49 GMT 1
As I said earlier in the thread, you have to work with what you've got. Sometimes, that means sacrificing ideals. Let's not forget, we didn't play all-out beautiful football when we went up with Wagner. Instead, we took full advantage of our superior fitness and chased down every ball. We got so many winners in the last ten minutes precisely because of this tactic. And I fully applaud that. I work with about a dozen Barnsley fans, and I know that none of them would swap places with us right now. They are quite happy with the football as it is right now. We played a very effective passing game under Wagner in the season we went up. I would never deny that. But that we were doing double training when the norm was still single training had a massive impact (hence why all teams do it now). It meant that when other teams were blowing out of their arse on 80 minutes, we were just getting going. And it's finding out those little gains which moves you from a loser to a winner. And sometimes - just sometimes - that means realising that the opposition defence play a high line, and your forward is faster than their fastest defender, and so a long ball over the top is a great tactic. Even if that makes the purists sick. Which is only the sort of stuff Barnsley are doing with a tiny budget. And I know I wish Town were in the Play Offs right now. |
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Post by ACW on Apr 5, 2021 19:54:30 GMT 1
We played a very effective passing game under Wagner in the season we went up. I would never deny that. But that we were doing double training when the norm was still single training had a massive impact (hence why all teams do it now). It meant that when other teams were blowing out of their arse on 80 minutes, we were just getting going. And it's finding out those little gains which moves you from a loser to a winner. And sometimes - just sometimes - that means realising that the opposition defence play a high line, and your forward is faster than their fastest defender, and so a long ball over the top is a great tactic. Even if that makes the purists sick. Which is only the sort of stuff Barnsley are doing with a tiny budget. And I know I wish Town were in the Play Offs right now. There is a big difference between 'sometimes' and 'always'. Out of interest, do you think with the players Town have had available this season, we would be much higher the league by playing a much more direct style? IMO if we'd played more direct we would have conceded less silly goals with poor passing at the back, but we wouldn't have scored the great goals we've scored by playing through the thirds either. A more direct style would have also led to giving up more possession and I'm not convinced we're strong enough defensively to hold out when we have much less of the ball than the opposition. |
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Post by sabailand on Apr 5, 2021 19:55:54 GMT 1
In term of reuslts, I sure hope so. In terms of style, please God no. As you say credit to their coaches for finding a way that suits their players and to get the wins but I'd hate to see us play like that every week. Oh, aye. Because ain't it just awful winning games. Walking back along St Andrews Road despondent because even though you're in the play off positions, the team didn't meet the Corinthian ideals you have inside your mind. I will never understand these "I'd rather lose 5-4 and play well than win 1-0" types. Never. We played some bloody awful football under Warnock, but they are some of my happiest memories as we moved from being a bunch of try hards to a team that wins. There's no better feeling than picking up the paper on a Monday morning and checking out the results when your team has won (again). Ive never come away from an 'entertaining' high scoring defeat happy, they are instantly forgotten, but i`ve come away from loads of dour 1-0 wins or dismal hard fought away draws chuffed to bits. |
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 5, 2021 19:56:57 GMT 1
None. Can’t understand why there are some who still think Rhodes wouldn’t strengthen us, he’s streets ahead of what we have currently up front. Quite simply he scores goals. Our strikers don't, and rarely have - Campbell one adequate, not good, season in his career Ward one season at Rotherham . But over the last 5 years he's got about as many as Campbell and Campbell works hard too, Rhodes never has |
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Post by westislandterrier on Apr 5, 2021 19:57:40 GMT 1
Though you can never say never in C’ship, looks like no chance of play offs so probably on the beach for their last 6 games. Only thing is their last two matches are against Birmingham and Rotherham in May, could be chance for that two to nick something against them.. |
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Post by stinkypete on Apr 5, 2021 20:00:29 GMT 1
Why do people look at league table and assume we aren’t gonna pick another point up in 8 games, yet Rotherham and Wednesday are gonna go on storming runs?
Wednesday have 7 games left, they are 8 points behind us if we win just one more game they’d have to win 4 out of 7. Fair play if they do it.
Rotherham are 8 behind us but we still have to play them, beat them or draw I don’t think they’re gonna catch us.
6 more points will comfortably be enough, especially if they come against Rotherham and Coventry.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 20:01:05 GMT 1
I would never deny that. But that we were doing double training when the norm was still single training had a massive impact (hence why all teams do it now). It meant that when other teams were blowing out of their arse on 80 minutes, we were just getting going. And it's finding out those little gains which moves you from a loser to a winner. And sometimes - just sometimes - that means realising that the opposition defence play a high line, and your forward is faster than their fastest defender, and so a long ball over the top is a great tactic. Even if that makes the purists sick. Which is only the sort of stuff Barnsley are doing with a tiny budget. And I know I wish Town were in the Play Offs right now. There is a big difference between 'sometimes' and 'always'. Out of interest, do you think with the players Town have had available this season, we would be much higher the league by playing a much more direct style? IMO if we'd played more direct we would have conceded less silly goals with poor passing at the back, but we wouldn't have scored the great goals we've scored by playing through the thirds either. A more direct style would have also led to giving up more possession and I'm not convinced we're strong enough defensively to hold out when we have much less of the ball than the opposition. I'm not advocating for a direct style. I am advocating for a style that makes the best use of the talent at our disposal, rather than starting with an ideal style in mind and then trying to execute that with players who will not be able to fulfil it. As I said before, get the most you can out of all you've got. And I think this sniffy attitude to Barnsley is just ridiculous. |
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Post by impact on Apr 5, 2021 20:02:17 GMT 1
Quite simply he scores goals. Our strikers don't, and rarely have - Campbell one adequate, not good, season in his career Ward one season at Rotherham . But over the last 5 years he's got about as many as Campbell and Campbell works hard too, Rhodes never has In far fewer minutes. Rhodes' goals per 90 record is much better. |
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Post by ACW on Apr 5, 2021 20:06:10 GMT 1
There is a big difference between 'sometimes' and 'always'. Out of interest, do you think with the players Town have had available this season, we would be much higher the league by playing a much more direct style? IMO if we'd played more direct we would have conceded less silly goals with poor passing at the back, but we wouldn't have scored the great goals we've scored by playing through the thirds either. A more direct style would have also led to giving up more possession and I'm not convinced we're strong enough defensively to hold out when we have much less of the ball than the opposition. I'm not advocating for a direct style. I am advocating for a style that makes the best use of the talent at our disposal, rather than starting with an ideal style in mind and then trying to execute that with players who will not be able to fulfil it. As I said before, get the most you can out of all you've got. And I think this sniffy attitude to Barnsley is just ridiculous. I'm not being sniffy. Good luck to Barnsley. If they go up it will be a tremendous achievement by them. Even if they don't, it's still been a great season for them. That said, I just don't find their style enjoyable to watch. That is just a personal preference. |
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Post by impact on Apr 5, 2021 20:06:52 GMT 1
There is a big difference between 'sometimes' and 'always'. Out of interest, do you think with the players Town have had available this season, we would be much higher the league by playing a much more direct style? IMO if we'd played more direct we would have conceded less silly goals with poor passing at the back, but we wouldn't have scored the great goals we've scored by playing through the thirds either. A more direct style would have also led to giving up more possession and I'm not convinced we're strong enough defensively to hold out when we have much less of the ball than the opposition. I'm not advocating for a direct style. I am advocating for a style that makes the best use of the talent at our disposal, rather than starting with an ideal style in mind and then trying to execute that with players who will not be able to fulfil it. that As I said before, get the most you can out of all you've got. And I think this sniffy attitude to Barnsley is just ridiculous. So when I said I didn't want us to play like Barnsley, why did you come back and essentially say let's just get relegated then? That is exactly what the majority of people want. Various posters said this season we don't have the players to try and play the way we have at times, and need to adapt. But that doesn't mean we want to go completely the other way and just twat the ball downfield. This "sniffy attitude" is me and 1 or 2 others saying fair play to them they've found a style that works for them, but I don't want town to play like that. Or, exactly what you've described. |
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Post by ACW on Apr 5, 2021 20:06:52 GMT 1
Quite simply he scores goals. Our strikers don't, and rarely have - Campbell one adequate, not good, season in his career Ward one season at Rotherham . But over the last 5 years he's got about as many as Campbell and Campbell works hard too, Rhodes never has Rhodes is better at staying upright though.  And he wouldn't give so many needless freekicks away because he wouldn't chase the opposition defenders.  |
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Post by jonbrno on Apr 5, 2021 20:12:05 GMT 1
If we beat Rotherham at home on Saturday I will be very confident we will survive. Lose and it's everything to play for. We shouldn't lose, but we shouldn't have lost the Luton home game at the same stage last season.
There's nine teams from Cardiff in 8th down to Preston in 16th who now have nothing to play for - realistically can't make the play-offs or go down. Could be plenty on the beach already so expect some more unpredictable results.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 20:14:16 GMT 1
I'm not advocating for a direct style. I am advocating for a style that makes the best use of the talent at our disposal, rather than starting with an ideal style in mind and then trying to execute that with players who will not be able to fulfil it. that As I said before, get the most you can out of all you've got. And I think this sniffy attitude to Barnsley is just ridiculous. So when I said I didn't want us to play like Barnsley, why did you come back and essentially say let's just get relegated then? That is exactly what the majority of people want. Various posters said this season we don't have the players to try and play the way we have at times, and need to adapt. But that doesn't mean we want to go completely the other way and just twat the ball downfield. This "sniffy attitude" is me and 1 or 2 others saying fair play to them they've found a style that works for them, but I don't want town to play like that. Or, exactly what you've described. I am saying that football isn't ballroom dancing: Judges don't score you on style and skill. Winning is everything. Everything. And the fundamental part of being any fan of any team is wanting them to win. I'll worry about the style of that win later. |
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