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Post by terriers2000 on Apr 5, 2021 20:16:15 GMT 1
Knowing town lose against rotherham then beat inform Bournemouth on the Tuesday
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Post by est1908 on Apr 5, 2021 20:22:08 GMT 1
But over the last 5 years he's got about as many as Campbell and Campbell works hard too, Rhodes never has Rhodes is better at staying upright though. And he wouldn't give so many needless freekicks away because he wouldn't chase the opposition defenders. If we signed any other 31 year old striker with this 5 year record, we wouldn't be happy...... Year. Club. Apps. Goals. 2016–2017 Middlesbrough 24 (6) 2017 → Sheffield Wednesday (loan) 18 (3) 2017– 2021 Sheffield Wednesday 76 (15) 2018–2019 Norwich City (loan) 36 (6) 154(30)
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 5, 2021 20:22:24 GMT 1
But over the last 5 years he's got about as many as Campbell and Campbell works hard too, Rhodes never has In far fewer minutes. Rhodes' goals per 90 record is much better. We'd have to find the right players to allow us to play with 10 men every week unless he scores. Last time he had Novak doing the work of 2.
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Post by impact on Apr 5, 2021 20:23:36 GMT 1
In far fewer minutes. Rhodes' goals per 90 record is much better. We'd have to find the right players to allow us to play with 10 men every week unless he scores. Last time he had Novak doing the work of 2. A bit like when Bacuna plays then
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Post by impact on Apr 5, 2021 20:26:03 GMT 1
So when I said I didn't want us to play like Barnsley, why did you come back and essentially say let's just get relegated then? That is exactly what the majority of people want. Various posters said this season we don't have the players to try and play the way we have at times, and need to adapt. But that doesn't mean we want to go completely the other way and just twat the ball downfield. This "sniffy attitude" is me and 1 or 2 others saying fair play to them they've found a style that works for them, but I don't want town to play like that. Or, exactly what you've described. I am saying that football isn't ballroom dancing: Judges don't score you on style and skill. Winning is everything. Everything. And the fundamental part of being any fan of any team is wanting them to win. I'll worry about the style of that win later. So what part of I hope we emulate their points total but not their style do you have an issue with?
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Post by ACW on Apr 5, 2021 20:28:48 GMT 1
In far fewer minutes. Rhodes' goals per 90 record is much better. We'd have to find the right players to allow us to play with 10 men every week unless he scores. Last time he had Novak doing the work of 2. We would also need some players who could cross like Roberts and Pilkington. Without service Rhodes is a waste of a shirt.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 20:30:13 GMT 1
I am saying that football isn't ballroom dancing: Judges don't score you on style and skill. Winning is everything. Everything. And the fundamental part of being any fan of any team is wanting them to win. I'll worry about the style of that win later. So what part of I hope we emulate their points total but not their style do you have an issue with? My issue is that I would not have any issue if we are in the play off positions this time next year playing exactly the same football that they have been playing. You say you would. Well, I'll take that winning feeling all day long.
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Post by k1man999 on Apr 5, 2021 20:40:29 GMT 1
Re the comment about how teams play etc, honestly I'd be fine with us playing rubbish football 46 times a season but getting promoted than playing well 46 times a season and getting relegated. You don't get points for playing well. Particularly at this stage of the season, it's not about performances or the type of football you play, it's just about picking up points, however you get them And this is epitomised by CC playing a more pragmatic style to help keep us up. The cowleys did it. We just don't have the players or mentally in the squad to play attacking free flowing easy on the eye football. Maybe Carlos will be able to bring these sort of players in next season (won't hold my breath though)
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 5, 2021 20:40:54 GMT 1
We'd have to find the right players to allow us to play with 10 men every week unless he scores. Last time he had Novak doing the work of 2. A bit like when Bacuna plays then Aye, but at least he's scored in the PL, the waddling wallet hasn't 😁
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Post by ACW on Apr 5, 2021 20:43:42 GMT 1
So what part of I hope we emulate their points total but not their style do you have an issue with? My issue is that I would not have any issue if we are in the play off positions this time next year playing exactly the same football that they have been playing. You say you would. Well, I'll take that winning feeling all day long. People watch football for lots of different reasons. We all want to watch our team win, of course we do, but for some it's more than that. For some, the enjoyment of being entertained along the way is also a part of why they watch. That's not to say they enjoy watching their team lose, it just means that the result is not the only important factor. For you, the result is all that matters. That's fine. There are many who feel the same. For me, I want to enjoy what I watch as well. At least some of the time! You may snear at that and say there are no points awarded for entertainment, but that is one of the reasons why I watch football. If the result was all that mattered to me, I'd save a lot of cash and follow the scores online. I guess we are all different. I don't like watching Town lose, but if they play well, work hard and I have enjoyed most of what I've seen, I still think the match was a worthwhile watch. I might not like the end result, but at least I enjoyed some of the ride. A bad result does not completely over ride any enjoyment I got from watching the actual match. Maybe that makes me strange in your eyes, but that's me.
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 5, 2021 20:52:46 GMT 1
Re the comment about how teams play etc, honestly I'd be fine with us playing rubbish football 46 times a season but getting promoted than playing well 46 times a season and getting relegated. You don't get points for playing well. Particularly at this stage of the season, it's not about performances or the type of football you play, it's just about picking up points, however you get them And this is epitomised by CC playing a more pragmatic style to help keep us up. The cowleys did it. We just don't have the players or mentally in the squad to play attacking free flowing easy on the eye football. Maybe Carlos will be able to bring these sort of players in next season (won't hold my breath though) It was injuries that did for us this year, with our first choice team we were performing well. We need to add some quality and get back to Carlosball next season.
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Post by westislandterrier on Apr 5, 2021 20:53:04 GMT 1
If we beat Rotherham at home on Saturday and I will be very confident we will survive. Lose and it's everything to play for. We shouldn't lose, but we shouldn't have lost the Luton home game at the same stage last season. There's nine teams from Cardiff in 8th down to Preston in 16th who now have nothing to play for - realistically can't make the play-offs or go down. Could be plenty on the beach already so expect some more unpredictable results. Yeah totally agree.. Unfortunately outta these ‘beach’ teams we’ve only Forest, possibly to a lesser extent Blackburn to play. Think that between ourselves gettin some draws and I think we’ve still one shock win to come, and the rest cutting each other’s throats we’ll have enough to preserve our c’ship status. Gonna be exciting for sure !
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Post by iangreaves on Apr 5, 2021 21:02:48 GMT 1
If we beat Rotherham at home on Saturday and I will be very confident we will survive. Lose and it's everything to play for. We shouldn't lose, but we shouldn't have lost the Luton home game at the same stage last season. There's nine teams from Cardiff in 8th down to Preston in 16th who now have nothing to play for - realistically can't make the play-offs or go down. Could be plenty on the beach already so expect some more unpredictable results. Yeah totally agree.. Unfortunately outta these ‘beach’ teams we’ve only Forest, possibly to a lesser extent Blackburn to play. Think that between ourselves gettin some draws and I think we’ve still one shock win to come, and the rest cutting each other’s throats we’ll have enough to preserve our c’ship status. Gonna be exciting for sure ! Blackburn are one place and three points above us, having played two more games. They really shouldn't be on the beach.
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Post by willo on Apr 5, 2021 21:04:04 GMT 1
None. Can’t understand why there are some who still think Rhodes wouldn’t strengthen us, he’s streets ahead of what we have currently up front. Quite simply he scores goals. Our strikers don't, and rarely have - Campbell one adequate, not good, season in his career Ward one season at Rotherham . 100%
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Post by impact on Apr 5, 2021 21:04:11 GMT 1
Messi Lingard smashing it again
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Post by sapphireblue on Apr 5, 2021 21:05:06 GMT 1
There is a big difference between 'sometimes' and 'always'. Out of interest, do you think with the players Town have had available this season, we would be much higher the league by playing a much more direct style? IMO if we'd played more direct we would have conceded less silly goals with poor passing at the back, but we wouldn't have scored the great goals we've scored by playing through the thirds either. A more direct style would have also led to giving up more possession and I'm not convinced we're strong enough defensively to hold out when we have much less of the ball than the opposition. I'm not advocating for a direct style. I am advocating for a style that makes the best use of the talent at our disposal, rather than starting with an ideal style in mind and then trying to execute that with players who will not be able to fulfil it. As I said before, get the most you can out of all you've got. And I think this sniffy attitude to Barnsley is just ridiculous. And there was nothing more sniffy as Barnsley fans were about the way Sheff Weds played their football when Barnsley last got promoted. They were, quite rightly, proud of the way Barnsley teams always played football. You ask them if they like the type of game they play now compared to Danny Wilson's style? I know many Tykes and I 100% know what the answer will be.
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Post by Baba O'Riley on Apr 5, 2021 21:14:41 GMT 1
Messi Lingard smashing it again What a superb game. Lingard has been sublime. Wolves playing well, also. UTT
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 5, 2021 21:15:11 GMT 1
Messi Lingard smashing it again What a superb game. Lingard has been sublime. Wolves playing well, also. UTT Quality from Gary Neville again. Atleast he can laugh at himself when he gets it wrong
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Post by willo on Apr 5, 2021 21:15:14 GMT 1
Quite simply he scores goals. Our strikers don't, and rarely have - Campbell one adequate, not good, season in his career Ward one season at Rotherham . But over the last 5 years he's got about as many as Campbell and Campbell works hard too, Rhodes never has Rhodes lost his way at Boro (was it the board who decided his goals would fire them up as against Karanka who didn’t bother playing him(?), can’t remember), short loan at Norwich which was a strange one followed by Wednesday where he often hasn’t played). In a nutshell, he’s lacked game time. If he does return and the other options remain Campbell & Ward, he’ll start every game if fit. His record with us & Blackburn was second to none. How can he not be an improvement on the impotent “strike” force we currently have?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 21:16:10 GMT 1
I'm not advocating for a direct style. I am advocating for a style that makes the best use of the talent at our disposal, rather than starting with an ideal style in mind and then trying to execute that with players who will not be able to fulfil it. As I said before, get the most you can out of all you've got. And I think this sniffy attitude to Barnsley is just ridiculous. And there was nothing more sniffy as Barnsley fans were about the way Sheff Weds played their football when Barnsley last got promoted. They were, quite rightly, proud of the way Barnsley teams always played football. You ask them if they like the type of game they play now compared to Danny Wilson's style? I know many Tykes and I 100% know what the answer will be. Of course, the ideal is good football / winning football. But that's rare. After that I'd say things are in this order: Bad football / winning football Good football / losing football Bad football / losing football But maybe some people prefer option 3 to option 2. Fair enough. Some people are happy to be losers.
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Post by space hardware on Apr 5, 2021 21:17:00 GMT 1
Be funny if West Ham took fourth place ahead of Liverpool 😁
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 5, 2021 21:20:02 GMT 1
Agree. I’d much prefer us to go for the jugular than watch a 57 pass move end up back at the feet of our Goalkeeper. And I don't think anyone would disagree with you. But there are ways to play attacking football that isn't just smashing the ball down field. Leicester were that team when they won the title. They did exactly what you said in going for the jugular but did it by playing decent football and hitting teams quickly on the break. It wasn't just a case of hitting it long and hoping. Agree. I’m not advocating constantly playing meaningless long balls with no strategy. But for me, we have been crying out for a proper target man up front for a long time and Sanogo may or may not be the answer ( though I have a feeling he will be) We look a much more well balanced side now and have the personnel that are capable of playing long, short and on the break - all options that can be used in the same game or by selection depending on our opponents. We look like we can now compete in this league for the first time since relegation. Prior to the last few games we only had a weak Plan A which just was not good enough against the majority of much more physically able teams in the Championship.
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Post by wigster on Apr 5, 2021 21:26:14 GMT 1
Quite simply he scores goals. Our strikers don't, and rarely have - Campbell one adequate, not good, season in his career Ward one season at Rotherham . But over the last 5 years he's got about as many as Campbell and Campbell works hard too, Rhodes never has We've had this debate before ! I presume you are not even attempting to compare Rhodes and Campbell as goal scorers are you ? I know it's old fashioned and people will say football has changed but I rather like the idea of my main striker scoring goals (and even providing assists...) not merely leading the press. Whenever people talk about Campbell's good points they talk about his work rate, never his goal scoring. Even this season Rhodes has a better goals per game record. There might be an argument that Rhodes is getting on now but even tonight he ran almost the length of the pitch to score his goal - a finish that, as a previous poster said, we never see Campbell doing. Nothing magical, just clinical. That said, let's both agree that if Campbell scores the winner tomorrow we'll all be happy !
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Post by brighousebandbred on Apr 5, 2021 22:08:23 GMT 1
They didnt when we played them. Well compare this performance against Cardiff to ours. Every team in this division can look better on their day just like we did against Swansea 4 v 1 that’s why this division is so great. Sheffield Wednesday are in the correct league position because they cannot do it every week, although new manager bounce has given them a chance of escaping relegation, they won’t finish above us.
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 5, 2021 22:26:49 GMT 1
But over the last 5 years he's got about as many as Campbell and Campbell works hard too, Rhodes never has Rhodes lost his way at Boro (was it the board who decided his goals would fire them up as against Karanka who didn’t bother playing him(?), can’t remember), short loan at Norwich which was a strange one followed by Wednesday where he often hasn’t played). In a nutshell, he’s lacked game time. If he does return and the other options remain Campbell & Ward, he’ll start every game if fit. His record with us & Blackburn was second to none. How can he not be an improvement on the impotent “strike” force we currently have? How long is it since his purple patch and why have managers constantly not picked him since then ?
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Post by terrier10 on Apr 5, 2021 22:44:38 GMT 1
If we beat Rotherham at home on Saturday and I will be very confident we will survive. Lose and it's everything to play for. We shouldn't lose, but we shouldn't have lost the Luton home game at the same stage last season. There's nine teams from Cardiff in 8th down to Preston in 16th who now have nothing to play for - realistically can't make the play-offs or go down. Could be plenty on the beach already so expect some more unpredictable results. Yeah totally agree.. Unfortunately outta these ‘beach’ teams we’ve only Forest, possibly to a lesser extent Blackburn to play. Think that between ourselves gettin some draws and I think we’ve still one shock win to come, and the rest cutting each other’s throats we’ll have enough to preserve our c’ship status. Gonna be exciting for sure ! Could add Reading to the “on the Beach” teams - potentially they’ll be resting players ahead of the play offs. Although we’ll have had to have made a proper bollocks of the remaining games to be worried about needing something from the last game!
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Post by willo on Apr 6, 2021 0:19:01 GMT 1
Rhodes lost his way at Boro (was it the board who decided his goals would fire them up as against Karanka who didn’t bother playing him(?), can’t remember), short loan at Norwich which was a strange one followed by Wednesday where he often hasn’t played). In a nutshell, he’s lacked game time. If he does return and the other options remain Campbell & Ward, he’ll start every game if fit. His record with us & Blackburn was second to none. How can he not be an improvement on the impotent “strike” force we currently have? How long is it since his purple patch and why have managers constantly not picked him since then ? Let’s wait and see shall we. If he returns and scores a minimum of 15 goals next season, I assume you’ll accept he’s still decent. If he scores less than 10, I would concede it was a mistake to have him come back. I think having made his money and with a point or two to prove, he’ll be champing at the bit.
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Apr 6, 2021 0:46:07 GMT 1
If we beat Rotherham at home on Saturday I will be very confident we will survive. Lose and it's everything to play for. We shouldn't lose, but we shouldn't have lost the Luton home game at the same stage last season. There's nine teams from Cardiff in 8th down to Preston in 16th who now have nothing to play for - realistically can't make the play-offs or go down. Could be plenty on the beach already so expect some more unpredictable results. As negative as it sounds, i'd take a point against Rotherham, but run them into the ground. Nudge another point for Wednesday to hurdle and kill one of Rotherham's games with a backlog coming up. It's uninspiring stuff but I just want to get through this season so we can forget about it.
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Post by westislandterrier on Apr 6, 2021 2:20:15 GMT 1
If we beat Rotherham at home on Saturday I will be very confident we will survive. Lose and it's everything to play for. We shouldn't lose, but we shouldn't have lost the Luton home game at the same stage last season. There's nine teams from Cardiff in 8th down to Preston in 16th who now have nothing to play for - realistically can't make the play-offs or go down. Could be plenty on the beach already so expect some more unpredictable results. As negative as it sounds, i'd take a point against Rotherham, but run them into the ground. Nudge another point for Wednesday to hurdle and kill one of Rotherham's games with a backlog coming up. It's uninspiring stuff but I just want to get through this season so we can forget about it. Should we stay up (I think we will) 3 wealthy clubs will come down from the premiership and looks like Hull, Sunderland and A.N. Other will be promoted. On paper, looks like a stronger C’ship next season than the one we’ve struggled in this time. Some changes of sorts required as probably no Wycombe size club or points deductions (owls) to ‘ease’ the relegation zone burden in 2021/22..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 7:26:50 GMT 1
Commentator tonight....`This giant of a club`....ffs they haven't been in the top flight for over 20 years and spent seasons in the third tier in that time, despite number of spells in the top tier that`ve never been a giant, big city yes giant club no. They're not even the biggest team in Sheffield!
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