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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 5, 2017 9:34:23 GMT 1
Too right I am...I'll be on here Tuesday giving it both barrells after Villa beat us. A bit of a silly post Art. We lost, we're disappointed, we move on to Tuesday night  UTT. I was being sarcastic, of course I don't want us to lose, quite the contrary. |
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Post by zoso on Mar 5, 2017 9:37:39 GMT 1
A bit of a silly post Art. We lost, we're disappointed, we move on to Tuesday night UTT. I was being sarcastic, of course I don't want us to lose, quite the contrary. Oh, OK. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 11:35:27 GMT 1
There are so many marginal decisions in football. Referees tend to err on the side of caution to keep their bosses at the FA happy, and to avoid controversy. We all know that the marginal decisions tend to go in favour of the big clubs, as this is less likely to upset the apple cart.
Had decisions like those last night gone in favour of Town, the pundits would have been taking about them. Given that they went against us the pundits will ignore them, much as they they have done with Town for most of the season, apart from when they were writing us off.
I said in another post that we would outplay the Toon, and that the game would swing on the decisions. So it proved to be. We have a great chance to bounce back on Tuesday night.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Mar 5, 2017 11:54:12 GMT 1
Not quite sure what you mean. Rhodes isn't a target man. All the shots came from players shooting? Rhodes isn't a target man? Really? Remember the time under Clarke? Saw him every game. Maybe you need to revise what you think of as a target man. |
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Post by upthetown on Mar 5, 2017 13:55:52 GMT 1
How did we lose to that shower of shit? Ironically, we were too dominant, forcing them to hit speculative long balls out of defence, which with a combination of luck and poor refereeing won them the game. Honestly don't think we were dominant. Three teams have wooped us this season - Newcastle tonight - Sheff Wed - Fulham All played our own game against us with quick counter attack. We cannot defend against our own style of football it seems. One team has, Fulham. We were also beaten by the better team at Preston. Never in a million years vs Newcastle or Sheff Wed |
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Post by detox on Mar 5, 2017 16:02:10 GMT 1
has anyone mentioned the state of the pitch yet ? seemed ok to me despite the egg chasers on Thursday...but what about the size of that 'safety zone' in the SS last night ..looked bigger than ever ...good job with all the fighting and threats made by fans (not).
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Mar 5, 2017 16:23:37 GMT 1
I didn't get home till past midnight and have had to deal with my increasingly loopy mother-in-law most of today, so I'm not in the frame of mind to go through everything on here about yesterday's game, but just one observation:
Two Wells free kicks in good positions - both clearly going over the bar the moment he hit them.
Two Mooy free kicks in good positions - both lobbed without pace wide of the box for Schindler to hopefully win in the air.
At the very least, Town, GET THE BALL ON TARGET. Deflection, own goal, goalkeeping error.....I don't care.
Let's make our own luck. Hitting the target will help.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Mar 5, 2017 17:42:06 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 18:22:48 GMT 1
Did anyone see before the game, David Wagner went to the directors box to shake a few hands and Dean Hoyle appeared to be a bit brief with him pointing to where DW should be sitting across the gangway ?
looked a bit out of character to me..
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Post by worthington on Mar 5, 2017 20:32:38 GMT 1
don;t get to see two at home much, but the last 3 games have been
last season middlesbrough, 0-2
this season: shelf wed 0-1
newcastle 1-3
Each game was the same, a good and well-organised than with a ruthless streak came and defended, played no football at all, nicked a goal and watched as town played about with it on the half way line and then tried to do the same thing again and again without threatening to score. Wagner should be practising attacking against very committed defences and coming up with a way to hurt them. And a plan b and plan c would help. quaner came on and nothing changed.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Mar 5, 2017 20:39:09 GMT 1
don;t get to see two at home much, but the last 3 games have been last season middlesbrough, 0-2this season: shelf wed 0-1 newcastle 1-3 Each game was the same, a good and well-organised than with a ruthless streak came and defended, played no football at all, nicked a goal and watched as town played about with it on the half way line and then tried to do the same thing again and again without threatening to score. Wagner should be practising attacking against very committed defences and coming up with a way to hurt them. And a plan b and plan c would help. quaner came on and nothing changed. Chap sitting next to me last evening made this exact same comparison. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 20:39:40 GMT 1
Did anyone see before the game, David Wagner went to the directors box to shake a few hands and Dean Hoyle appeared to be a bit brief with him pointing to where DW should be sitting across the gangway ? looked a bit out of character to me.. Think you may be reading too much into that. Dean Hoyle shook his hand and maybe just pointed out where Stuart Webber was? |
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Post by ujpestdoza on Mar 5, 2017 21:14:06 GMT 1
Just stating the obvious mate. I love Wagners philosophy but he's a tit. We've got used to pathetic little morons from Beeston and Massive spouting their bullshit and bile on here and find it mildly amusing - we've also had BHA and a few NUFC fans come on and make fair (and complimentary) posts which have been welcomed but you need to take a look at yourself. A Newcastle fan posing as a Town fan and having digs at us and heaping praise on Gayle, Colback etc on half a dozen threads - tinpot and pathetic, I thought Geordies where football people, what are you, a secret Mackem ? Come on here and gloat if you want, you won but you've got as much class as a typical Leeds fan and it really is sad and pathetic, by the way talking to a couple of Geordies after the game who didn't pretend to support Town, they both said "Delighted with the 3 points but thought the style of play was a DISGRACE." You will no doubt go back to the PL, we may join you, we may well miss out but on a tiny fraction of your transfer and wage budget, with a stadium that would fit twice into yours we at least play football in the way that any normal Geordie fan would like to see their team play. Dunno who you were talking to but it sounds like they were the stereotypical NUFC fans who supposedly would prefer to lose a great game 4-3 than to win a poor one 1-0.
Style of play is only a disgrace if you're losing games. Sheff Wed got pelters back in the early 80's for Wilkinsons style of play but it was effective and got them promoted. I'd rather see us winning games than getting plaudits for being good to watch.
I thought we were brilliant, set up perfectly for an away game and challenged you to break us down, you didn't get in beind us, passed it about all in front of us and were restricted to a couple of long range shots.
I didn't think ours was a penalty, I thought Ritchie tripped himself up, but David Prutton highlighted at the end how Wells had actually clipped his heel which made him trip over so I suppose the ref got it right.
I didn't think the keeper had full control of the ball and I don't think Murphy fouled him, his heel clipped the ball as he went passed and it spun loose. Your penalty was a daft challenge from Shelvey that he didn't need to make because Lascelles had it covered.
I dunno what the fuss is about Gayle either, he was hardly sticking his V's up was he??
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Post by space hardware on Mar 5, 2017 21:23:52 GMT 1
We've got used to pathetic little morons from Beeston and Massive spouting their bullshit and bile on here and find it mildly amusing - we've also had BHA and a few NUFC fans come on and make fair (and complimentary) posts which have been welcomed but you need to take a look at yourself. A Newcastle fan posing as a Town fan and having digs at us and heaping praise on Gayle, Colback etc on half a dozen threads - tinpot and pathetic, I thought Geordies where football people, what are you, a secret Mackem ? Come on here and gloat if you want, you won but you've got as much class as a typical Leeds fan and it really is sad and pathetic, by the way talking to a couple of Geordies after the game who didn't pretend to support Town, they both said "Delighted with the 3 points but thought the style of play was a DISGRACE." You will no doubt go back to the PL, we may join you, we may well miss out but on a tiny fraction of your transfer and wage budget, with a stadium that would fit twice into yours we at least play football in the way that any normal Geordie fan would like to see their team play. Dunno who you were talking to but it sounds like they were the stereotypical NUFC fans who supposedly would prefer to lose a great game 4-3 than to win a poor one 1-0.
Style of play is only a disgrace if you're losing games. Sheff Wed got pelters back in the early 80's for Wilkinsons style of play but it was effective and got them promoted. I'd rather see us winning games than getting plaudits for being good to watch.
I thought we were brilliant, set up perfectly for an away game and challenged you to break us down, you didn't get in beind us, passed it about all in front of us and were restricted to a couple of long range shots.
I didn't think ours was a penalty, I thought Ritchie tripped himself up, but David Prutton highlighted at the end how Wells had actually clipped his heel which made him trip over so I suppose the ref got it right.
I didn't think the keeper had full control of the ball and I don't think Murphy fouled him, his heel clipped the ball as he went passed and it spun loose. Your penalty was a daft challenge from Shelvey that he didn't need to make because Lascelles had it covered.
I dunno what the fuss is about Gayle either, he was hardly sticking his V's up was he??
The Gayle thing was just small-time and unnecessary. Fair play if he'd been getting stick from all angles but everyone around me was a bit "meh" when he came on. Score your tap in, turn round and celebrate the win. Why act like a bell end? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 21:24:11 GMT 1
We've got used to pathetic little morons from Beeston and Massive spouting their bullshit and bile on here and find it mildly amusing - we've also had BHA and a few NUFC fans come on and make fair (and complimentary) posts which have been welcomed but you need to take a look at yourself. A Newcastle fan posing as a Town fan and having digs at us and heaping praise on Gayle, Colback etc on half a dozen threads - tinpot and pathetic, I thought Geordies where football people, what are you, a secret Mackem ? Come on here and gloat if you want, you won but you've got as much class as a typical Leeds fan and it really is sad and pathetic, by the way talking to a couple of Geordies after the game who didn't pretend to support Town, they both said "Delighted with the 3 points but thought the style of play was a DISGRACE." You will no doubt go back to the PL, we may join you, we may well miss out but on a tiny fraction of your transfer and wage budget, with a stadium that would fit twice into yours we at least play football in the way that any normal Geordie fan would like to see their team play. Dunno who you were talking to but it sounds like they were the stereotypical NUFC fans who supposedly would prefer to lose a great game 4-3 than to win a poor one 1-0.
Style of play is only a disgrace if you're losing games. Sheff Wed got pelters back in the early 80's for Wilkinsons style of play but it was effective and got them promoted. I'd rather see us winning games than getting plaudits for being good to watch.
I thought we were brilliant, set up perfectly for an away game and challenged you to break us down, you didn't get in beind us, passed it about all in front of us and were restricted to a couple of long range shots.
I didn't think ours was a penalty, I thought Ritchie tripped himself up, but David Prutton highlighted at the end how Wells had actually clipped his heel which made him trip over so I suppose the ref got it right.
I didn't think the keeper had full control of the ball and I don't think Murphy fouled him, his heel clipped the ball as he went passed and it spun loose. Your penalty was a daft challenge from Shelvey that he didn't need to make because Lascelles had it covered.
I dunno what the fuss is about Gayle either, he was hardly sticking his V's up was he??
Could I respectfully ask you to read rule 12 again and point out where it says a keeper has to have full control of the ball? All that is required is for the keeper to have a hand on the ball and for it to be in contact with his body or the ground. The fact you say it spun loose says it all. It wasn't a loose ball by your own admission. |
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Post by ujpestdoza on Mar 5, 2017 21:30:04 GMT 1
Dunno who you were talking to but it sounds like they were the stereotypical NUFC fans who supposedly would prefer to lose a great game 4-3 than to win a poor one 1-0.
Style of play is only a disgrace if you're losing games. Sheff Wed got pelters back in the early 80's for Wilkinsons style of play but it was effective and got them promoted. I'd rather see us winning games than getting plaudits for being good to watch.
I thought we were brilliant, set up perfectly for an away game and challenged you to break us down, you didn't get in beind us, passed it about all in front of us and were restricted to a couple of long range shots.
I didn't think ours was a penalty, I thought Ritchie tripped himself up, but David Prutton highlighted at the end how Wells had actually clipped his heel which made him trip over so I suppose the ref got it right.
I didn't think the keeper had full control of the ball and I don't think Murphy fouled him, his heel clipped the ball as he went passed and it spun loose. Your penalty was a daft challenge from Shelvey that he didn't need to make because Lascelles had it covered.
I dunno what the fuss is about Gayle either, he was hardly sticking his V's up was he??
Could I respectfully ask you to read rule 12 again and point out where it says a keeper has to have full control of the ball? All that is required is for the keeper to have a hand on the ball and for it to be in contact with his body or the ground. The fact you say it spun loose says it all. It wasn't a loose ball by your own admission. I disagree, ball was there to be won, spun loose due to the slightest contact with Murphy's heel, I honestly can't see why it's even an issue or point of controversy. Our penalty, yes, was dodgy, but there was nowt wrong with Murphy's goal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 21:33:56 GMT 1
What about the blatant handball before the Ritchie penalty sprawl though? The pen was very soft, but Shelvey was right in the eye line of the Ref & he moved his body + his arm towards the ball... Had that been in reverse you'd have been pissed off, but football bias must release chemicals in all football fans, because I'd have been the same as you buggers are, trying to play it down...
It's done now though, Newcastle & Town players will have put it to bed and be thinking about next week...
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Post by ujpestdoza on Mar 5, 2017 21:41:42 GMT 1
What about the blatant handball before the Ritchie penalty sprawl though? The pen was very soft, but Shelvey was right in the eye line of the Ref & he moved his body + his arm towards the ball... Had that been in reverse you'd have been pissed off, but football bias must release chemicals in all football fans, because I'd have been the same as you buggers are, trying to play it down... It's done now though, Newcastle & Town players will have put it to bed and be thinking about next week... In real time I thought the ball had just been blasted at Shelvey and didn't really know where it had hit him. Obviously replays show it hit his hand and I can only assume the ref thinks it was ball to hand accidental rather than deliberate hand ball.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 21:45:27 GMT 1
Could I respectfully ask you to read rule 12 again and point out where it says a keeper has to have full control of the ball? All that is required is for the keeper to have a hand on the ball and for it to be in contact with his body or the ground. The fact you say it spun loose says it all. It wasn't a loose ball by your own admission. I disagree, ball was there to be won, spun loose due to the slightest contact with Murphy's heel, I honestly can't see why it's even an issue or point of controversy. Our penalty, yes, was dodgy, but there was nowt wrong with Murphy's goal.
Murphys heel didn't make contact, to do that he would have had to be running backwards.  Perhaps you need to look at sky footage from goal side? Ward clearly has a full hand on the ball and is pulling it towards himself when Murphy gets his FOOT behind it and spins it clear. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 22:15:11 GMT 1
What about the blatant handball before the Ritchie penalty sprawl though? The pen was very soft, but Shelvey was right in the eye line of the Ref & he moved his body + his arm towards the ball... Had that been in reverse you'd have been pissed off, but football bias must release chemicals in all football fans, because I'd have been the same as you buggers are, trying to play it down... It's done now though, Newcastle & Town players will have put it to bed and be thinking about next week... In real time I thought the ball had just been blasted at Shelvey and didn't really know where it had hit him. Obviously replays show it hit his hand and I can only assume the ref thinks it was ball to hand accidental rather than deliberate hand ball.
I do think Refs have a tough job - Shelvey seems to show intent. Had that been a Town defender making that movement in the eye line of the Ref I expect it would have been a pen and I'd have no issue with that. They do seem to be influenced as to where on the pitch and who is the culprit. We move on, I reckon Town fans are now focusing on cementing a p/o spot and anything beyond that is a bonus... |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Mar 5, 2017 23:13:02 GMT 1
Maybe it just happened too fast for the ref to be sure but on replay it looks clear handball by Shelvey. Should have been Town free kick before the penalty issue ever materialised. We didnt get much of the run of the ball irrespective of the quality of oposition and we need to move on to Tues night, I'm sure Wagner has.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 23:15:56 GMT 1
I wish we lot were more like DW and forget about what has gone and concentrate on the next game 😁😁😁
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Post by realmadkid on Mar 5, 2017 23:17:59 GMT 1
I wish we lot were more like DW and forget about what has gone and concentrate on the next game 😁😁😁 Oh come on. Where's the fun in that?  |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 5, 2017 23:19:35 GMT 1
I wish we lot were more like DW and forget about what has gone and concentrate on the next game 😁😁😁 Oh come on. Where's the fun in that? There'd be no DATM if we didn't endlessly chew over things. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 23:20:01 GMT 1
I wish we lot were more like DW and forget about what has gone and concentrate on the next game 😁😁😁 Oh come on. Where's the fun in that? It's like that long meeting planned it is making me sleepy 😉 |
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 6, 2017 11:26:53 GMT 1
A Leeds fan at work, who never has a good word for Town, told me how good a game he thought it was. He said their penalty was both handball first and then a dive, he also couldn't understand how Colback stayed on. I'm thinking of having him stuffed and put on display ;D
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 11:29:33 GMT 1
Can't really understand the reaction from some on here. You weren't controlling possession because you're a vastly superior footballing side. You were controlling it because Rafa set up to let you and the ability to control the game without the ball is something I'd never seen from a Newcastle side before we got him. It worked and you were restricted to long range efforts. The goals weren't lucky. The penalties were as contentious as each other. If we didn't have a lead we'd have been more adventurous but we did have it so didn't need go be gung ho. We don't play like that every week. It's horses for courses and we came with a game plan that we executed superbly. We're not naive enough to think we can go anywhere, play like Brazil and win. We've dominated some games this season in terms of possession but Saturday was one of our best showings in ages. The suggestion that we've had referees is laughable too. We've spent most games this season in the opposition half yet curiously conceded more penalties than we've been awarded. No team in the league will suffer a referee like we had to versus Forest away in December. Two rescinded red cards!
Don't think Gayle was being particularly offensive either.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Mar 6, 2017 11:35:49 GMT 1
There is a massive over reaction on here, but it does make it easier for your lot to sit back when the ref gives you a pen in the first 10 minutes, it almost allows you to set up with everyone behind the ball.
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 11:42:00 GMT 1
There is a massive over reaction on here, but it does make it easier for your lot to sit back when the ref gives you a pen in the first 10 minutes, it almost allows you to set up with everyone behind the ball. If it'd happened to one of your players you would say it was a penalty. He clearly does catch his heel. Sometimes they're given sometimes they aren't. Even with hindsight you can't say it definitely wasn't a penalty |
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Post by impact on Mar 6, 2017 11:46:14 GMT 1
There is a massive over reaction on here, but it does make it easier for your lot to sit back when the ref gives you a pen in the first 10 minutes, it almost allows you to set up with everyone behind the ball. If it'd happened to one of your players you would say it was a penalty. He clearly does catch his heel. Sometimes they're given sometimes they aren't. Even with hindsight you can't say it definitely wasn't a penalty You can. You can say it's a definite dive and he should have been booked. Ritchie goes down because he trips himself up, no other reason. |
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