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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 11:48:15 GMT 1
If it'd happened to one of your players you would say it was a penalty. He clearly does catch his heel. Sometimes they're given sometimes they aren't. Even with hindsight you can't say it definitely wasn't a penalty You can. You can say it's a definite dive and he should have been booked. Ritchie goes down because he trips himself up, no other reason. So has he tripped himself or has he dived? Seems contrary to me. His heel was caught, whether that's what sent him down or not. They're given more often that shoulder charges though which is all Shelvey did. |
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Post by impact on Mar 6, 2017 11:48:44 GMT 1
Can't really understand the reaction from some on here. You weren't controlling possession because you're a vastly superior footballing side. You were controlling it because Rafa set up to let you and the ability to control the game without the ball is something I'd never seen from a Newcastle side before we got him. It worked and you were restricted to long range efforts. The goals weren't lucky. The penalties were as contentious as each other. If we didn't have a lead we'd have been more adventurous but we did have it so didn't need go be gung ho. We don't play like that every week. It's horses for courses and we came with a game plan that we executed superbly. We're not naive enough to think we can go anywhere, play like Brazil and win. We've dominated some games this season in terms of possession but Saturday was one of our best showings in ages. The suggestion that we've had referees is laughable too. We've spent most games this season in the opposition half yet curiously conceded more penalties than we've been awarded. No team in the league will suffer a referee like we had to versus Forest away in December. Two rescinded red cards! Don't think Gayle was being particularly offensive either. And here goes another Newcastle fan harping on about 1 match, when they got a red card rescinded which clearly shouldn't have been. By thier logic they were on the wrong end of decisions in 1 match so they deserve to get every decision going for the rest of the season. And you've said it there - you sat back because you could. And you could because the ref gave you a 2 goal head-start. |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Mar 6, 2017 11:51:27 GMT 1
Just when we were trying to get over it all along comes another of the Toon army to reopen the wounds, thanks.
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 11:51:56 GMT 1
Can't really understand the reaction from some on here. You weren't controlling possession because you're a vastly superior footballing side. You were controlling it because Rafa set up to let you and the ability to control the game without the ball is something I'd never seen from a Newcastle side before we got him. It worked and you were restricted to long range efforts. The goals weren't lucky. The penalties were as contentious as each other. If we didn't have a lead we'd have been more adventurous but we did have it so didn't need go be gung ho. We don't play like that every week. It's horses for courses and we came with a game plan that we executed superbly. We're not naive enough to think we can go anywhere, play like Brazil and win. We've dominated some games this season in terms of possession but Saturday was one of our best showings in ages. The suggestion that we've had referees is laughable too. We've spent most games this season in the opposition half yet curiously conceded more penalties than we've been awarded. No team in the league will suffer a referee like we had to versus Forest away in December. Two rescinded red cards! Don't think Gayle was being particularly offensive either. And here goes another Newcastle fan harping on about 1 match, when they got a red card rescinded which clearly shouldn't have been. By thier logic they were on the wrong end of decisions in 1 match so they deserve to get every decision going for the rest of the season. And you've said it there - you sat back because you could. And you could because the ref gave you a 2 goal head-start. Even if you take our two goals away that you claim were gifted we'd still have won 1-0 if your own contentious penalty was taken away. We've suffered poor refs all season. Don't confuse yourself into thinking that because I cited one example that that was the only occasion. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 11:52:20 GMT 1
There is a massive over reaction on here, but it does make it easier for your lot to sit back when the ref gives you a pen in the first 10 minutes, it almost allows you to set up with everyone behind the ball. If it'd happened to one of your players you would say it was a penalty. He clearly does catch his heel. Sometimes they're given sometimes they aren't. Even with hindsight you can't say it definitely wasn't a penalty If you think goal number 2 was fair you're ignoring the rule and condemning photo evidence on the Law 12 thread. Murphy even admits to taking the ball from the keeper. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 11:53:30 GMT 1
Ritchie went down of his own making. How is that a Penalty? Ward has the ball taken off him illegally and the goal stands. Seeing a pattern here?
Roger East (Is that him forever immortalised in that Youtube video of Towns Penalty Shootout at Wembley?) was looking after the big boys. Nice early goal allowing them to settle into the game early. My dad called it before kick off in that Newcastle would win because.... Premier League.
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Post by impact on Mar 6, 2017 11:53:39 GMT 1
And here goes another Newcastle fan harping on about 1 match, when they got a red card rescinded which clearly shouldn't have been. By thier logic they were on the wrong end of decisions in 1 match so they deserve to get every decision going for the rest of the season. And you've said it there - you sat back because you could. And you could because the ref gave you a 2 goal head-start. Even if you take our two goals away that you claim were gifted we'd still have won 1-0 if your own contentious penalty was taken away. We've suffered poor refs all season. Don't confuse yourself into thinking that because I cited one example that that was the only occasion. Cite another then. |
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 11:57:42 GMT 1
If it'd happened to one of your players you would say it was a penalty. He clearly does catch his heel. Sometimes they're given sometimes they aren't. Even with hindsight you can't say it definitely wasn't a penalty If you think goal number 2 was fair you're ignoring the rule and condemning photo evidence on the Law 12 thread. Murphy even admits to taking the ball from the keeper. I don't know how a photograph would be superior to seeing it in motion. Your keeper was clearly still in the process of trying to get the ball under control |
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 11:59:07 GMT 1
Ritchie went down of his own making. How is that a Penalty? Ward has the ball taken off him illegally and the goal stands. Seeing a pattern here? Roger East (Is that him forever immortalised in that Youtube video of Towns Penalty Shootout at Wembley?) was looking after the big boys. Nice early goal allowing them to settle into the game early. My dad called it before kick off in that Newcastle would win because.... Premier League. His heel was clipped. That's a foul irrespective of whether it's what sent him down. |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 6, 2017 12:01:53 GMT 1
Can't really understand the reaction from some on here. You weren't controlling possession because you're a vastly superior footballing side. You were controlling it because Rafa set up to let you and the ability to control the game without the ball is something I'd never seen from a Newcastle side before we got him. It worked and you were restricted to long range efforts. The goals weren't lucky. The penalties were as contentious as each other. If we didn't have a lead we'd have been more adventurous but we did have it so didn't need go be gung ho. We don't play like that every week. It's horses for courses and we came with a game plan that we executed superbly. We're not naive enough to think we can go anywhere, play like Brazil and win. We've dominated some games this season in terms of possession but Saturday was one of our best showings in ages. The suggestion that we've had referees is laughable too. We've spent most games this season in the opposition half yet curiously conceded more penalties than we've been awarded. No team in the league will suffer a referee like we had to versus Forest away in December. Two rescinded red cards! Don't think Gayle was being particularly offensive either. Putting aside the two penalties, which were both incredibly soft in my opinion, and the very debatable second goal, what was your view on Colback? He should have been booked before he actually was and then got away with a blatant pull back after he'd been carded. Just one of those things that supposedly even themselves out over a season? Or a ref shitting his pants when he thought he'd have to send him off and changing his mind midway through reaching for the card? |
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 12:01:53 GMT 1
Even if you take our two goals away that you claim were gifted we'd still have won 1-0 if your own contentious penalty was taken away. We've suffered poor refs all season. Don't confuse yourself into thinking that because I cited one example that that was the only occasion. Cite another then. Sheffield Wednesday on boxing day we were kicked off the park |
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 12:03:07 GMT 1
Can't really understand the reaction from some on here. You weren't controlling possession because you're a vastly superior footballing side. You were controlling it because Rafa set up to let you and the ability to control the game without the ball is something I'd never seen from a Newcastle side before we got him. It worked and you were restricted to long range efforts. The goals weren't lucky. The penalties were as contentious as each other. If we didn't have a lead we'd have been more adventurous but we did have it so didn't need go be gung ho. We don't play like that every week. It's horses for courses and we came with a game plan that we executed superbly. We're not naive enough to think we can go anywhere, play like Brazil and win. We've dominated some games this season in terms of possession but Saturday was one of our best showings in ages. The suggestion that we've had referees is laughable too. We've spent most games this season in the opposition half yet curiously conceded more penalties than we've been awarded. No team in the league will suffer a referee like we had to versus Forest away in December. Two rescinded red cards! Don't think Gayle was being particularly offensive either. Putting aside the two penalties, which were both incredibly soft in my opinion, and the very debatable second goal, what was your view on Colback? He should have been booked before he actually was and then got away with a blatant pull back after he'd been carded. Just one of those things that supposedly even themselves out over a season? Or a ref shitting his pants when he thought he'd have to send him off and changing his mind midway through reaching for the card? Believe me you stood more of a chance with Colback on the pitch. Liability. |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Mar 6, 2017 12:03:20 GMT 1
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Post by space hardware on Mar 6, 2017 12:05:25 GMT 1
Putting aside the two penalties, which were both incredibly soft in my opinion, and the very debatable second goal, what was your view on Colback? He should have been booked before he actually was and then got away with a blatant pull back after he'd been carded. Just one of those things that supposedly even themselves out over a season? Or a ref shitting his pants when he thought he'd have to send him off and changing his mind midway through reaching for the card? Believe me you stood more of a chance with Colback on the pitch. Liability. Not in his own head he isn't  . |
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Post by impact on Mar 6, 2017 12:05:50 GMT 1
Sheffield Wednesday on boxing day we were kicked off the park A bit like us on Saturday then. If that's the only other time decisions have gone against you and you're complaining about not getting a few free-kicks then that really is amusing. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 12:06:16 GMT 1
If you think goal number 2 was fair you're ignoring the rule and condemning photo evidence on the Law 12 thread. Murphy even admits to taking the ball from the keeper. I don't know how a photograph would be superior to seeing it in motion. Your keeper was clearly still in the process of trying to get the ball under control Read the rule, the keeper only has to have one hand on the ball and the ball to be in contact with the ground to be in his control. That whether a still photo or not is clear as day. It was kicked out of his control like it or not. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Mar 6, 2017 12:06:48 GMT 1
I still think he gave us that pen cos he knew he fucked up in the first half and it shouldn't be like that. East got a generous 5 out of 10 in the fl paper, which give a much more balanced view than the likes of the sun. He was heavily criticised for getting the two big decisions wrong.
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 12:13:25 GMT 1
I don't know how a photograph would be superior to seeing it in motion. Your keeper was clearly still in the process of trying to get the ball under control Read the rule, the keeper only has to have one hand on the ball and the ball to be in contact with the ground to be in his control. That whether a still photo or not is clear as day. It was kicked out of his control like it or not. I know the rule and i think the keeper was still in the process of trying to control it. Again one you'd be disgusted with if you'd scored it and it'd been ruled out |
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 12:14:41 GMT 1
Sheffield Wednesday on boxing day we were kicked off the park A bit like us on Saturday then. If that's the only other time decisions have gone against you and you're complaining about not getting a few free-kicks then that really is amusing. Well I'm not going to review every referee we've had this season. We've had more decisions against us than for us |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 12:18:19 GMT 1
Read the rule, the keeper only has to have one hand on the ball and the ball to be in contact with the ground to be in his control. That whether a still photo or not is clear as day. It was kicked out of his control like it or not. I know the rule and i think the keeper was still in the process of trying to control it. Again one you'd be disgusted with if you'd scored it and it'd been ruled out At any point in that incident did Ward lift his hand off the ball? NO! You know what mate, if I saw that happen in reverse i'd be one of the first to hold my hand up in defence of the opposition keeper.... You don't know me. |
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 12:25:45 GMT 1
I know the rule and i think the keeper was still in the process of trying to control it. Again one you'd be disgusted with if you'd scored it and it'd been ruled out At any point in that incident did Ward lift his hand off the ball? NO! You know what mate, if I saw that happen in reverse i'd be one of the first to hold my hand up in defence of the opposition keeper.... You don't know me. He didn't even have his hand planted on the ball. It was still in motion and he was desperately trying to pull it in towards his body. He was about 3 seconds away from having it under control |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 12:26:46 GMT 1
Ritchie went down of his own making. How is that a Penalty? Ward has the ball taken off him illegally and the goal stands. Seeing a pattern here? Roger East (Is that him forever immortalised in that Youtube video of Towns Penalty Shootout at Wembley?) was looking after the big boys. Nice early goal allowing them to settle into the game early. My dad called it before kick off in that Newcastle would win because.... Premier League. His heel was clipped. That's a foul irrespective of whether it's what sent him down. don't talk bollocks. he tripped over himself. last I looked that didn't merit a penalty, but apparently it does in the eyes of Roger East. And Referees demand respect? Bunch of fookin clowns. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 12:27:53 GMT 1
At any point in that incident did Ward lift his hand off the ball? NO! You know what mate, if I saw that happen in reverse i'd be one of the first to hold my hand up in defence of the opposition keeper.... You don't know me. He didn't even have his hand planted on the ball. It was still in motion and he was desperately trying to pull it in towards his body. He was about 3 seconds away from having it under control get your fookin eyes tested.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 12:28:23 GMT 1
At any point in that incident did Ward lift his hand off the ball? NO! You know what mate, if I saw that happen in reverse i'd be one of the first to hold my hand up in defence of the opposition keeper.... You don't know me. He didn't even have his hand planted on the ball. It was still in motion and he was desperately trying to pull it in towards his body. He was about 3 seconds away from having it under control Take a look at the latest photo in the Law 12 thread, if that isn't good enough for you I give up. Edit... Just seen the previous to this post. Not interested in any more arguing on this topic. Just one thing more, if he's desperately trying to pull it in towards his body (which the latest photo proves he'd succeeded in doing) how the hell didn't he have his hand planted on the ball? |
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 12:33:09 GMT 1
He didn't even have his hand planted on the ball. It was still in motion and he was desperately trying to pull it in towards his body. He was about 3 seconds away from having it under control get your fookin eyes tested. Looks like both players have it under control to me. Murphy was in fact in possession initially and it's the keeper trying to challenge him not the opposite, imo. It's telling that only your own supporters seem to think it's a poor decision btw |
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Post by mozzie on Mar 6, 2017 12:35:33 GMT 1
At any point in that incident did Ward lift his hand off the ball? NO! You know what mate, if I saw that happen in reverse i'd be one of the first to hold my hand up in defence of the opposition keeper.... You don't know me. He didn't even have his hand planted on the ball. It was still in motion and he was desperately trying to pull it in towards his body. He was about 3 seconds away from having it under control Jonjo, How would you compare Shelvey and Mooy based on Saturday's match. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 12:37:43 GMT 1
get your fookin eyes tested. Looks like both players have it under control to me. Murphy was in fact in possession initially and it's the keeper trying to challenge him not the opposite, imo. It's telling that only your own supporters seem to think it's a poor decision btw  **other opticians are available if you can be arsed.  |
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 12:40:54 GMT 1
He didn't even have his hand planted on the ball. It was still in motion and he was desperately trying to pull it in towards his body. He was about 3 seconds away from having it under control Jonjo, How would you compare Shelvey and Mooy based on Saturday's match. Shelvey was asked to play a much more disciplined role than he's used to on Saturday so it's not really apt to compare on the one game, and I haven't watched your player enough either. Sorry |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 12:49:05 GMT 1
get your fookin eyes tested. Looks like both players have it under control to me. Murphy was in fact in possession initially and it's the keeper trying to challenge him not the opposite, imo. It's telling that only your own supporters seem to think it's a poor decision btw It was Murphys initial poor ten yard first touch that enabled Ward to get there before him. I had no problem with Murphy going for that ball by the way, it was his right. However by the laws of the game the resulting foul should have ruled the goal out. |
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Post by worthington on Mar 6, 2017 13:00:07 GMT 1
Can't really understand the reaction from some on here. You weren't controlling possession because you're a vastly superior footballing side. You were controlling it because Rafa set up to let you and the ability to control the game without the ball is something I'd never seen from a Newcastle side before we got him. It worked and you were restricted to long range efforts. The goals weren't lucky. The penalties were as contentious as each other. If we didn't have a lead we'd have been more adventurous but we did have it so didn't need go be gung ho. We don't play like that every week. It's horses for courses and we came with a game plan that we executed superbly. We're not naive enough to think we can go anywhere, play like Brazil and win. We've dominated some games this season in terms of possession but Saturday was one of our best showings in ages. The suggestion that we've had referees is laughable too. We've spent most games this season in the opposition half yet curiously conceded more penalties than we've been awarded. No team in the league will suffer a referee like we had to versus Forest away in December. Two rescinded red cards! Don't think Gayle was being particularly offensive either. Agree with most of this, Town were just not good enough to break down a stubborn defensively minded team (largely because our 2 midfielders played so much as centre backs and so we couldn't get down your sides, and our forwards, especially kachunga, were enable to make space for themselves . on the other hand, your way of playing is an affront to the game, anti-football in fact. |
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