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Post by mrg on Mar 6, 2017 13:12:06 GMT 1
You can. You can say it's a definite dive and he should have been booked. Ritchie goes down because he trips himself up, no other reason. So has he tripped himself or has he dived? Seems contrary to me. His heel was caught, whether that's what sent him down or not. They're given more often that shoulder charges though which is all Shelvey did. It's not a penalty, he's a cheating bastard. I've not been on here since Saturday I was that Angry, I've just watched it again. Gayle was lucky not to get dropped at the end and the rest of your lads would have been fucked if it had gone off because of him as well. Town's definitely not a penalty, but hey, if your playing with cheating bastards and getting nowhere might as well give it a go eh? Ref bottled it. Otherwise it was a good game.  |
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 13:15:36 GMT 1
Can't really understand the reaction from some on here. You weren't controlling possession because you're a vastly superior footballing side. You were controlling it because Rafa set up to let you and the ability to control the game without the ball is something I'd never seen from a Newcastle side before we got him. It worked and you were restricted to long range efforts. The goals weren't lucky. The penalties were as contentious as each other. If we didn't have a lead we'd have been more adventurous but we did have it so didn't need go be gung ho. We don't play like that every week. It's horses for courses and we came with a game plan that we executed superbly. We're not naive enough to think we can go anywhere, play like Brazil and win. We've dominated some games this season in terms of possession but Saturday was one of our best showings in ages. The suggestion that we've had referees is laughable too. We've spent most games this season in the opposition half yet curiously conceded more penalties than we've been awarded. No team in the league will suffer a referee like we had to versus Forest away in December. Two rescinded red cards! Don't think Gayle was being particularly offensive either. Agree with most of this, Town were just not good enough to break down a stubborn defensively minded team (largely because our 2 midfielders played so much as centre backs and so we couldn't get down your sides, and our forwards, especially kachunga, were enable to make space for themselves . on the other hand, your way of playing is an affront to the game, anti-football in fact. Can't agree with the end of ypur post. We've bossed possession in most of our games. You're one of the better footballing sides in the league so we came and played differently. It was a brilliant show of tactical diversity and well executed. It's the reason we're paying big money for a manager that is probably too good for us. |
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 13:16:23 GMT 1
So has he tripped himself or has he dived? Seems contrary to me. His heel was caught, whether that's what sent him down or not. They're given more often that shoulder charges though which is all Shelvey did. It's not a penalty, he's a cheating bastard. I've not been on here since Saturday I was that Angry, I've just watched it again. Gayle was lucky not to get dropped at the end and the rest of your lads would have been fucked if it had gone off because of him as well. Town's definitely not a penalty, but hey, if your playing with cheating bastards and getting nowhere might as well give it a go eh? Ref bottled it. Otherwise it was a good game. Christ. |
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Post by mrg on Mar 6, 2017 13:17:02 GMT 1
If you think goal number 2 was fair you're ignoring the rule and condemning photo evidence on the Law 12 thread. Murphy even admits to taking the ball from the keeper. I don't know how a photograph would be superior to seeing it in motion. Your keeper was clearly still in the process of trying to get the ball under control Can't argue with that mate, he only had one hand on it and wasn't strong enough. What I would say though is the game would have (obviously) panned out differently if some diving premier league twat hadn't cheated his way to a penalty. In the words of Brian Clough, Fuck off, I don't speak to cheating bastards. |
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Post by mrg on Mar 6, 2017 13:17:42 GMT 1
It's not a penalty, he's a cheating bastard. I've not been on here since Saturday I was that Angry, I've just watched it again. Gayle was lucky not to get dropped at the end and the rest of your lads would have been fucked if it had gone off because of him as well. Town's definitely not a penalty, but hey, if your playing with cheating bastards and getting nowhere might as well give it a go eh? Ref bottled it. Otherwise it was a good game. Christ.  ? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 13:17:45 GMT 1
Whatever the controversies in this game, Newcastle are where they fully deserve to be....at the top of the Championship. They've won more games, scored more goals, and have a better GD than any other side in the Football League (although Premiership sides have played less games). They have the best defensive record in our division, and are the best-supported club. Their team/fans deserve their success, certainly to date.
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Post by midge on Mar 6, 2017 13:19:40 GMT 1
Can't really understand the reaction from some on here. You weren't controlling possession because you're a vastly superior footballing side. You were controlling it because Rafa set up to let you and the ability to control the game without the ball is something I'd never seen from a Newcastle side before we got him. It worked and you were restricted to long range efforts. The goals weren't lucky. The penalties were as contentious as each other. If we didn't have a lead we'd have been more adventurous but we did have it so didn't need go be gung ho. We don't play like that every week. It's horses for courses and we came with a game plan that we executed superbly. We're not naive enough to think we can go anywhere, play like Brazil and win. We've dominated some games this season in terms of possession but Saturday was one of our best showings in ages. The suggestion that we've had referees is laughable too. We've spent most games this season in the opposition half yet curiously conceded more penalties than we've been awarded. No team in the league will suffer a referee like we had to versus Forest away in December. Two rescinded red cards! Don't think Gayle was being particularly offensive either. Agree with most of this, Town were just not good enough to break down a stubborn defensively minded team (largely because our 2 midfielders played so much as centre backs and so we couldn't get down your sides, and our forwards, especially kachunga, were enable to make space for themselves . on the other hand, your way of playing is an affront to the game, anti-football in fact. That's the thing that got me!!! If it was us that had won that way of course I'd take it but tell it how it is!!! Can you imagine if us or any team went up to St James's Park and played like that? We'd be accused of being negative, anti football and parking the bus.......they do it and somehow it's down to a tactical masterclass from Benitez!! |
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Post by benhomly on Mar 6, 2017 13:20:31 GMT 1
Looks like both players have it under control to me. Murphy was in fact in possession initially and it's the keeper trying to challenge him not the opposite, imo. It's telling that only your own supporters seem to think it's a poor decision btw It was Murphys initial poor ten yard first touch that enabled Ward to get there before him. I had no problem with Murphy going for that ball by the way, it was his right. However by the laws of the game the resulting foul should have ruled the goal out. Ward should have been braver IMO; if he'd have taken the ball and Murphy in the follow through then the goal wouldn't have happened. Unless the ref had given another penalty of course, which would have been unlikely. I put our defeat down to two goalkeeping errors. And like the much maligned Newcastle fans have pointed out on here we don't know how they would have approached the game had they not been ahead so early in the game. We might have won it, we might not but it doesn't help when we gift them 2 goals. That is WE gifted them, not the ref. |
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 13:27:57 GMT 1
Agree with most of this, Town were just not good enough to break down a stubborn defensively minded team (largely because our 2 midfielders played so much as centre backs and so we couldn't get down your sides, and our forwards, especially kachunga, were enable to make space for themselves . on the other hand, your way of playing is an affront to the game, anti-football in fact. That's the thing that got me!!! If it was us that had won that way of course I'd take it but tell it how it is!!! Can you imagine if us or any team went up to St James's Park and played like that? We'd be accused of being negative, anti football and parking the bus.......they do it and somehow it's down to a tactical masterclass from Benitez!! If you think any team away from home is going to get an early goal and not try and protect the lead, in what was an important game for our promotion chances, then you're frankly deluding yourself. It'd have been foolish and unnecessarily risky. We're targetting promotion. A lot of teams are playing "anti football" at SJP this season btw. Part of the reason we've struggled there, moreso when Shelvey was banned. |
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Post by mrg on Mar 6, 2017 13:31:23 GMT 1
It's not a penalty, he's a cheating bastard. I've not been on here since Saturday I was that Angry, I've just watched it again. Gayle was lucky not to get dropped at the end and the rest of your lads would have been fucked if it had gone off because of him as well. Town's definitely not a penalty, but hey, if your playing with cheating bastards and getting nowhere might as well give it a go eh? Ref bottled it. Otherwise it was a good game. Christ. Sorry mate what are you saying? |
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 13:35:00 GMT 1
Sorry mate what are you saying? I don't think it needs further comment |
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Post by midge on Mar 6, 2017 13:36:42 GMT 1
That's the thing that got me!!! If it was us that had won that way of course I'd take it but tell it how it is!!! Can you imagine if us or any team went up to St James's Park and played like that? We'd be accused of being negative, anti football and parking the bus.......they do it and somehow it's down to a tactical masterclass from Benitez!! If you think any team away from home is going to get an early goal and not try and protect the lead, in what was an important game for our promotion chances, then you're frankly deluding yourself. It'd have been foolish and unnecessarily risky. We're targetting promotion. A lot of teams are playing "anti football" at SJP this season btw. Part of the reason we've struggled there, moreso when Shelvey was banned. Like I said, I would take it in your position - a wins a win, especially in the position you're in but then like I say, don't try and reflect on it as anything other than it was or it is you who is deluding yourself!! |
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Post by detox on Mar 6, 2017 13:39:54 GMT 1
The best person to see was the lino, who was 15 yards away and looking directly at the incident...I think I was shouting some abuse at him at the time ..something like "he's f*cking offside again you f*cking blind tw*t..." (or words to that effect)..so I probably put him off, or worse p*ssed him off so much he thought..stuff you mate, it's a goal. Sorry everyone, I feel a bit guilty now..
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 13:43:56 GMT 1
If you think any team away from home is going to get an early goal and not try and protect the lead, in what was an important game for our promotion chances, then you're frankly deluding yourself. It'd have been foolish and unnecessarily risky. We're targetting promotion. A lot of teams are playing "anti football" at SJP this season btw. Part of the reason we've struggled there, moreso when Shelvey was banned. Like I said, I would take it in your position - a wins a win, especially in the position you're in but then like I say, don't try and reflect on it as anything other than it was or it is you who is deluding yourself!! We went in with a gameplan and executed it. Got 3 points and looked comfortable throughout, even without the ball. We're clearly not anti-football, we've scored more than anybody else in the division. |
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Post by mrg on Mar 6, 2017 13:50:39 GMT 1
Sorry mate what are you saying? I don't think it needs further comment I've no idea what your talking about mate so how's about you shut the fuck up if you've got nothing to say? |
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Post by realmadkid on Mar 6, 2017 13:51:45 GMT 1
Like I said, I would take it in your position - a wins a win, especially in the position you're in but then like I say, don't try and reflect on it as anything other than it was or it is you who is deluding yourself!! We went in with a gameplan and executed it. Got 3 points and looked comfortable throughout, even without the ball. We're clearly not anti-football, we've scored more than anybody else in the division. Dream on Geordie boy. A gameplan that no doubt included conceding 76% possession, fluking 2 early goals through refereeing incompetence and then kicking everything that moved for ever afterwards. That Benitez is some master technician. |
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 13:53:01 GMT 1
I don't think it needs further comment I've no idea what your talking about mate so how's about you shut the fuck up if you've got nothing to say? And in one post you're being more provocative than anything Gayle did. See the irony? |
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 13:54:46 GMT 1
We went in with a gameplan and executed it. Got 3 points and looked comfortable throughout, even without the ball. We're clearly not anti-football, we've scored more than anybody else in the division. Dream on Geordie boy. A gameplan that no doubt included conceding 76% possession, fluking 2 early goals through refereeing incompetence and then kicking everything that moved for ever afterwards. That Benitez is some master technician. Mackemesque Rafa slating. He's one of the most trophy-laden mangers in the game for good reason |
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Post by impact on Mar 6, 2017 13:56:13 GMT 1
Dream on Geordie boy. A gameplan that no doubt included conceding 76% possession, fluking 2 early goals through refereeing incompetence and then kicking everything that moved for ever afterwards. That Benitez is some master technician. Mackemesque Rafa slating. He's one of the most trophy-laden mangers in the game for good reason Cos he's always had shitloads of money to spend? |
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Post by realmadkid on Mar 6, 2017 13:57:12 GMT 1
Dream on Geordie boy. A gameplan that no doubt included conceding 76% possession, fluking 2 early goals through refereeing incompetence and then kicking everything that moved for ever afterwards. That Benitez is some master technician. Mackemesque Rafa slating. He's one of the most trophy-laden mangers in the game for good reason Yeah whatever pal. Cannot be bothered arguing the toss with blinkered fools like you. End of discussion for me. |
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 14:01:52 GMT 1
Mackemesque Rafa slating. He's one of the most trophy-laden mangers in the game for good reason Cos he's always had shitloads of money to spend? Not relatively he hasn't. Valencia weren't the richest club in Spain. Liverpool weren't the richest in Europe. |
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Post by andyeswecan on Mar 6, 2017 14:03:21 GMT 1
Mackemesque Rafa slating. He's one of the most trophy-laden mangers in the game for good reason Cos he's always had shitloads of money to spend? Makes you wonder why Steve Bruce isn't currently putting Ronaldo his lads through their paces at the Bernabeu. |
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Post by mrg on Mar 6, 2017 14:03:41 GMT 1
I've no idea what your talking about mate so how's about you shut the fuck up if you've got nothing to say? And in one post you're being more provocative than anything Gayle did. See the irony? Gayle has been a twat since the day he was born. We've got previous with him. He might as well of played for L666s. I had/have tremendous respect for you as a club and a town, proper northern people who understand football and life quite well. I'm sat opposite one of your girls in our office today and she's embarrassed by how shit you were on Saturday, she understands football. £50m and that's all you come up with, putting 10 players behind the ball at Huddersfield? To be fair it's the only way to beat us, but the first penalty is nothing other than embarrassing premier league bullshit. English lads didn't used to cheat like that, it's embarrassing. You won 3-1, the end. I might have calmed down by tomorrow night |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 14:04:40 GMT 1
some managers get all the press and publicity after throwing copious amounts of someone elses cash about of overpriced and overhyped players. Benitez is one of those. NOt saying he's a bad manager but he needs a shit load of cash to spend to get anywhere. He would not be able to do a job with little or very little resources.
Then there's David Wagner. A proper football manager who can put together a team for less than it cost for one newcastle player.
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Post by impact on Mar 6, 2017 14:08:49 GMT 1
some managers get all the press and publicity after throwing copious amounts of someone elses cash about of overpriced and overhyped players. Benitez is one of those. NOt saying he's a bad manager but he needs a shit load of cash to spend to get anywhere. He would not be able to do a job with little or very little resources. Then there's David Wagner. A proper football manager who can put together a team for less than it cost for one newcastle player. I think our starting XI cost us around 5m (calling kachunga 1m). Newcastle spent that on Grant Hanley who barely even plays. |
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 14:12:24 GMT 1
And in one post you're being more provocative than anything Gayle did. See the irony? Gayle has been a twat since the day he was born. We've got previous with him. He might as well of played for L666s. I had/have tremendous respect for you as a club and a town, proper northern people who understand football and life quite well. I'm sat opposite one of your girls in our office today and she's embarrassed by how shit you were on Saturday, she understands football. £50m and that's all you come up with, putting 10 players behind the ball at Huddersfield? To be fair it's the only way to beat us, but the first penalty is nothing other than embarrassing premier league bullshit. English lads didn't used to cheat like that, it's embarrassing. You won 3-1, the end. I might have calmed down by tomorrow night Oh well if a pass in the office says it then it must be true. If it's the only way to beat you then it's probably a sensible decision to play that way, then. We spent the money we did to build a side good enough to be promoted. So far so good.steve McClaren tried to set us up to play attractive football every game last season, it was naive and got us relegated. We're top because when circumstances demand it we can adapt. Possession football that doesn't carry a threat is described as "all fart nee shite" up our way |
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Post by jonjo on Mar 6, 2017 14:14:41 GMT 1
some managers get all the press and publicity after throwing copious amounts of someone elses cash about of overpriced and overhyped players. Benitez is one of those. NOt saying he's a bad manager but he needs a shit load of cash to spend to get anywhere. He would not be able to do a job with little or very little resources. Then there's David Wagner. A proper football manager who can put together a team for less than it cost for one newcastle player. Suppose the managers that have established themselves over decades sufficiently to get jobs at richer clubs should decline transfer funds so as to prove themselves against Wagner then huh? |
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Post by kennyk2 on Mar 6, 2017 14:15:26 GMT 1
some managers get all the press and publicity after throwing copious amounts of someone elses cash about of overpriced and overhyped players. Benitez is one of those. NOt saying he's a bad manager but he needs a shit load of cash to spend to get anywhere. He would not be able to do a job with little or very little resources. Then there's David Wagner. A proper football manager who can put together a team for less than it cost for one newcastle player. Interesting to see if he could get a £4 million playing squad promoted from the Championship as champions. I wonder how DW would do with a squad worth £100 million. |
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Post by El Mel on Mar 6, 2017 14:15:58 GMT 1
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