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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 9, 2017 21:26:15 GMT 1
The 50s and 60s are not a generation ago. The 70s and 80s are. I think we have generational differences on DATM. I can remember my dad cracking the £20 a week barrier, and I can clearly remember the Batley scrum half being overjoyed with his win bonus of £5 for a third round win in the challenge cup against Halifax at Thrum Hall. Have my kids, now in their twenties, had better opportunities etc than me - possibly but only just. Certainly have some big challenges around housing etc. Think the house price issue is the big thing. My mum and dads first house cost them £5000 in the early 70's. My mate bought a two bedroom terraced house in Birkby in about 1996 and it cost him 30k. When he separated from his missus the house was worth 3 times that and he'did done bugger all to it!!! |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 9, 2017 21:27:42 GMT 1
It may seem silly to some but I am actually stressed about this. After travelling for years to watch terrible players at terrible grounds missing out this year would be a total kick in the balls. Tuesday night in Hartlepool watching a nil nil draw and dreaming of what it would be like on the drive home on my Todd to maybe one day watch Town at Old Trafford. Only for the dream to come true but not get an invite to the party. When are we expecting to find out??? I can't take this!!!! I was at Hartlepool one Tuesday night and we lost 5-3 ...doesn't get much worse than that. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 9, 2017 23:21:40 GMT 1
I think we have generational differences on DATM. I can remember my dad cracking the £20 a week barrier, and I can clearly remember the Batley scrum half being overjoyed with his win bonus of £5 for a third round win in the challenge cup against Halifax at Thrum Hall. Have my kids, now in their twenties, had better opportunities etc than me - possibly but only just. Certainly have some big challenges around housing etc. Interesting thought. My parents both died younger than any of their parents. My parents who have very similar jobs to me and my wife had a far greater disposable income in their 50s than we do - their mortgage expenses for a house very similar to ours were less than half the proportion of their earnings compared to now. My own kids who are in their twenties have far fewer opportunities of a decent job than I did despite similar qualifications and almost no chance of buying a house. They have never had it so good. Think inflation rates were 13% when I got my first mortgage for a house in 1982 - mind it only cost £23k.  |
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Post by rubicon on Jul 10, 2017 3:25:37 GMT 1
Hey, arterrier, how do you know I worked for the NHS? lol. Only kidding, obviously my post basically gives away that I did, 34 years to be precise, but jacked it in at 52. Smaller pension, much smaller, but still better than many get not in Public service, 9k a year, but would have been a lot better if I could have stuck it until 60. Before anyone thinks lucky me, ever since I've done two part time jobs at once, until end of June this year and still do one. Get my state pension October, so will give that up in the New Year.
Now I'm not a Politician, so don't know all the answers. The housing situation is clearly a problem, but if younger people don't want proper contracts, full time contracts as you imply, then that also implies, that some aren't helping themselves. Yes house prices were cheaper, but in Essex at the time we had to buy ours in Clacton, working Braintree as no one would lend more than 2.5 + 1 salary in those days. They didn't care about the 80 mile round trip and fuel costs for that, rules was rules. (Clacton was about 2k cheaper than Braintree house price wise, cost that is). Anyway when I'd finished at 5pm in the NHS, I then spent the evenings working in a Service Station until midnight, five nights a week.
I still have 3 years 11 months to go on my mortgage, so until then at £600 a month it will still be a struggle on two pensions, though I'll add my wife has an NHS one too, but won't get her state one for another four years, but she too packed in end of June.
Basically we are not living the life of Riley, but get by, and are happy enough. Both put money away each month for hols, car repairs, Insurance, Christmas, season ticket etc, and holiday in UK, cottage, week and weekend break each year.
I get by, on a £100 spend each month, same for petrol, as travel to Town from Stockton for games, and to see my Dad, and still get enough for beers and fun, the odd concert, film, meal out etc. Beers when I use the train of course, which at £26 is actually cheaper than driving. Yes Senior rail card, but available to anyone over 60. Use credit card for petrol, sometimes other stuff, but try and pay it off each month, at least the petrol part, but it still slips occasionally.
Guess what I'm saying, is we still plan, and live a life some younger members wouldn't understand. I know some that can spend my spending money in a weekend out, but I am not suggesting all do. Times are different, but they truly don't have the same mindset as we grew up with.
There is no point in any generation blaming others though, because neither can put themselves in the others place. I wouldn't swap, thats for sure, but they really don't know just how hard it was. I wouldn't swap, not because it was easier, but because my generation, could buy fags in singles from loads of shops, fireworks as kids, including bangers and jumping jacks, and lived our lives outdoors from dawn to dusk. Let alone alcohol from the pub back window off sales, even if it was only crap cider, then maybe get in the pub at 16 if you behaved yourself. Most younger parents, who's kids can't even take shandy pop to school will think all that is bloody ridiculous. It wasn't, it was bloody marvellous, and the majority of us survived it all unharmed.
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Post by DeepSpace on Jul 10, 2017 6:46:16 GMT 1
It may seem silly to some but I am actually stressed about this. After travelling for years to watch terrible players at terrible grounds missing out this year would be a total kick in the balls. Tuesday night in Hartlepool watching a nil nil draw and dreaming of what it would be like on the drive home on my Todd to maybe one day watch Town at Old Trafford. Only for the dream to come true but not get an invite to the party. When are we expecting to find out??? I can't take this!!!! I was at Hartlepool one Tuesday night and we lost 5-3 ...doesn't get much worse than that. Does the fact that we were 3-1 up in that game with about 10 minutes to go make it worse? I should have added that one to my list  |
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Post by DeepSpace on Jul 10, 2017 6:49:20 GMT 1
Folks...as Off Topicers will know I like a good political bust-up as much as the next man, but I'm watching this thread because I want to know how I can get to Palace. Any chance we can shift the political stuff over to the Politics board?
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Jul 10, 2017 7:19:04 GMT 1
It's only £30 more than buying the tickets each week but I get your point, sounds a lot of money when all added up in one go. I get different people have different priorities but for me, £50 a month is less than people pay for SkySports and I definitely know which I'd rather have. Would much rather it went down to an away history loyalty system anyway but unfortunately the club won't have records for that. I'm not really one for people who pay more get more priority and didn't buy a Terriers on Tour membership last season for that reason but nearly missing out on the Hillsborough play off game woke me up to the reality of the times we're in due to the recent success. You had a pay rise Mark? 😂 Haha I wish! |
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Post by rubicon on Jul 10, 2017 8:26:26 GMT 1
Fair enough Deepspace. Did actually post "a comment" on priority of tickets. Thing is, none of us know at the moment, what the situation regarding priority is going to be, so it's all a bit pointless as Alexander Armstrong would say.
I never really thought of it as anything to do with Politics really, just differing opinions, but I suppose some could see it as Politics. Personally reckon it's been contributed to by all Parties over the decades, but there you go. It was all very reasonably polite, posts and responses in the main, but I promise I'll post no more regarding the subject.
Guess after all those transfers, we're all just waiting for the off, and it's very much a slow news period football wise at the minute.
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Post by pickup on Jul 10, 2017 9:29:43 GMT 1
As mentioned, I can see all 19 home games at a steal in comparison to other clubs.
I also don't think I'm the only one, but out of all the away games, I'm most looking forward to going to Burnley, Swansea, West Brom, Stoke etc. Sounds slightly negative, but games where we have as a good a chance as the opposition to get 3 points and in the grand scheme of things, where our voice and support will be needed more!
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 10, 2017 10:56:00 GMT 1
I think we have generational differences on DATM. I can remember my dad cracking the £20 a week barrier, and I can clearly remember the Batley scrum half being overjoyed with his win bonus of £5 for a third round win in the challenge cup against Halifax at Thrum Hall. Have my kids, now in their twenties, had better opportunities etc than me - possibly but only just. Certainly have some big challenges around housing etc.  Hard to grasp that half the under 30s owned a house in '93. For the Right in the generation above to say the collapse in home ownership isn't an issue because the young have fancy lattés and iPads is such a rejection of Thatcherism's key tenet that it boggles the mind. Takes some studying that graph. However, I'm not sure your conclusion is valid. I don't think it's a rejection of "want to buy" it's the result of "inability to buy". That surely must be due to the weird house price bubble that we are in. Latterly that's been fuelled by a lot of dodgy foreign money taken out of places like China and Russia to safe havens like London, Cambridge etc. However, that rise really started in the early 80's. Fortunately for me just as I was buying my first house, but impossible for my kids trying to buy their first! Shame in a lot of ways that we have this desire to buy our own homes. My brother lived most of his life in quality rented housing in Germany. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 11:03:11 GMT 1
Don't the Germans and Dutch have family mortgages ? As in 80 year repayments. You pop ur clogs and the property and outstanding debts are passed on to your family ?
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 10, 2017 11:09:47 GMT 1
Don't the Germans and Dutch have family mortgages ? As in 80 year repayments. You pop ur clogs and the property and outstanding debts are passed on to your family ? Didn't know that. Had a friend in the US who have a 30 year fixed interest mortgage - which seemed sensible. Just realised that it won't help anybody get away tickets though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 11:12:47 GMT 1
No it wont help with the purchase of Palace tickets.
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Post by softboy on Jul 10, 2017 11:32:23 GMT 1
unless priority 1 is for fans who have friends in the usa who have a property with a mortgage - priority 2 friends in spain with the same etcetc - sounds very fair to me
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Post by shikoku14 on Jul 10, 2017 11:34:00 GMT 1
I can try and bring this back on-topic by mentioning I lived in South Norwood till just over a year ago (perfect timing to move back north and have a season ticket). And for me it would be almost too sweet to see the Palace game, but I seriously think that due to limited tickets for all away games (and home games) there should be a proportion that are reserved to supporters who live within a specific radius of the away ground especially down South as opportunities to travel to the JSS are limited due to the high number of season ticket holders) and then the rest are available second come, first served if you were.
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Post by softboy on Jul 10, 2017 11:39:12 GMT 1
say 250 miles - should cover me for most games
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 10, 2017 11:42:27 GMT 1
I can try and bring this back on-topic by mentioning I lived in South Norwood till just over a year ago (perfect timing to move back north and have a season ticket). And for me it would be almost too sweet to see the Palace game, but I seriously think that due to limited tickets for all away games (and home games) there should be a proportion that are reserved to supporters who live within a specific radius of the away ground especially down South as opportunities to travel to the JSS are limited due to the high number of season ticket holders) and then the rest are available second come, first served if you were. given the above its clear that at least me and Jimmy mac will be moving to within spitting distance of the San Siro then???  |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jul 10, 2017 12:05:50 GMT 1
Don't the Germans and Dutch have family mortgages ? As in 80 year repayments. You pop ur clogs and the property and outstanding debts are passed on to your family ? The Japanese definitely do and can across 3 generations. Often they do not declare the death of older members of the family who have long standing preferential mortgages that are no longer available. Plus old age benefits are quite good. It was discovered when the average age became unrealistically high. In Holland and Germany long term interest only mortgages exist to allow young people to buy but not repay capital until they have the income to do so. (this may be a little out of date, last worked in Europe 20 years ago) |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jul 10, 2017 14:01:04 GMT 1
Wait till next week, ie, Palace away on Monday NF you should be Ok! West Ham also Monday |
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Post by hd2 on Jul 11, 2017 11:22:10 GMT 1
SJ tweeted Friday as the day for an announcement.
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Post by detox on Jul 11, 2017 11:40:27 GMT 1
It's going to upset many fans I suspect, but I don't see what the club can do really.
Are away tickets to be a reward for loyalty (B&WF, Patron, TOT and SC holder), or fans with a history of attending away games (thereby excluding anyone else getting on the list).
Should there be a 'pecking' order at all in fact ? Why not just a free for all (although given the online ticketing facility we have this can and will result in much anger and discontent).
Should it be a 'mix' perhaps, first 1,000 away tickets for the B&WF etc group, next 1,000 based on how long you've had a SC or maybe how many away games you've been to (if that can be determined)?...and then the rest of the tickets just a free for all ?
At least that way everybody gets a go at it and no group is ever totally excluded.
I did think maybe a membership scheme could be introduced, just so the club know how many fans are actually interested in going to away games and could then be put on a database. I don't know, out of 20,000 SC holders how many do actually want to go to an away match...half ?
The club might be accused of greed doing this, but if they said the cash received from membership went to the Academy or something that might work.
If I were a B&WF member, or a Patron or even a (now defunct) TOT member . and was used to having priority for away tickets I might not be happy with anything that took away that priority..so how does Sean deal with that scenario ?
I can't really think of any scheme that is 100% fair, so I wish the club good luck with whatever they come up with..
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 11, 2017 12:08:05 GMT 1
It's going to upset many fans I suspect, but I don't see what the club can do really. Are away tickets to be a reward for loyalty (B&WF, Patron, TOT and SC holder), or fans with a history of attending away games (thereby excluding anyone else getting on the list). Should there be a 'pecking' order at all in fact ? Why not just a free for all (although given the online ticketing facility we have this can and will result in much anger and discontent). Should it be a 'mix' perhaps, first 1,000 away tickets for the B&WF etc group, next 1,000 based on how long you've had a SC or maybe how many away games you've been to (if that can be determined)?...and then the rest of the tickets just a free for all ? At least that way everybody gets a go at it and no group is ever totally excluded. I did think maybe a membership scheme could be introduced, just so the club know how many fans are actually interested in going to away games and could then be put on a database. I don't know, out of 20,000 SC holders how many do actually want to go to an away match...half ? The club might be accused of greed doing this, but if they said the cash received from membership went to the Academy or something that might work. If I were a B&WF member, or a Patron or even a (now defunct) TOT member . and was used to having priority for away tickets I might not be happy with anything that took away that priority..so how does Sean deal with that scenario ? I can't really think of any scheme that is 100% fair, so I wish the club good luck with whatever they come up with.. might be helpful to know what sort of averages there have been of b and w members etc attending the away games. I think people may overlook that a big percentage of members may well have been going 'away'.. thereby the numbers of away game devotees who are not members might not be that many?? If you can sell all the away tickets to members, why not? have not heard an argument yet that benefits the club any better.. 100% fair in this instance is the 'paying customer' is right.. It might well change should we stay up and they can organise and admin a different 'loyalty' scheme where priority is part of it... Till then I think this is it.. What you propose is already the foundation anyway? just join? Said before, still true, I will fight along with new members for away tickets, no matter how long they have been in for.. They may just last a year but thats the scheme, we who have been in it since the start could have left or re joined anytime we pleased.. If there are 10 x the members than tickets available then so be it.. fastest fingers first.. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 11, 2017 12:58:35 GMT 1
It's going to upset many fans I suspect, but I don't see what the club can do really. Are away tickets to be a reward for loyalty (B&WF, Patron, TOT and SC holder), or fans with a history of attending away games (thereby excluding anyone else getting on the list). Should there be a 'pecking' order at all in fact ? Why not just a free for all (although given the online ticketing facility we have this can and will result in much anger and discontent). Should it be a 'mix' perhaps, first 1,000 away tickets for the B&WF etc group, next 1,000 based on how long you've had a SC or maybe how many away games you've been to (if that can be determined)?...and then the rest of the tickets just a free for all ? At least that way everybody gets a go at it and no group is ever totally excluded. I did think maybe a membership scheme could be introduced, just so the club know how many fans are actually interested in going to away games and could then be put on a data base. I don't know, out of 20,000 SC holders how many do actually want to go to an away match...half ? The club might be accused of greed doing this, but if they said the cash received from membership went to the Academy or something that might work. If I were a B&WF member, or a Patron or even a (now defunct) TOT member . and was used to having priority for away tickets I might not be happy with anything that took away that priority..so how does Sean deal with that scenario ? I can't really think of any scheme that is 100% fair, so I wish the club good luck with whatever they come up with.. I think they've got this one wrong myself. Should have had it sorted out years ago. Our online system is woeful, and when you buy tickets at the office they are never assigned. To me the ToT was also badly implemented. I think the club is going to get dogs of abuse whatever they come up with. It will alienate many folk. As for the % of fans that will want to go to away games. I reckon 99% will want to go to Old Trafford and Anfield. |
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Post by bridgeterrier on Jul 11, 2017 13:31:59 GMT 1
It's going to upset many fans I suspect, but I don't see what the club can do really. Are away tickets to be a reward for loyalty (B&WF, Patron, TOT and SC holder), or fans with a history of attending away games (thereby excluding anyone else getting on the list). Should there be a 'pecking' order at all in fact ? Why not just a free for all (although given the online ticketing facility we have this can and will result in much anger and discontent). Should it be a 'mix' perhaps, first 1,000 away tickets for the B&WF etc group, next 1,000 based on how long you've had a SC or maybe how many away games you've been to (if that can be determined)?...and then the rest of the tickets just a free for all ? At least that way everybody gets a go at it and no group is ever totally excluded. I did think maybe a membership scheme could be introduced, just so the club know how many fans are actually interested in going to away games and could then be put on a database. I don't know, out of 20,000 SC holders how many do actually want to go to an away match...half ? The club might be accused of greed doing this, but if they said the cash received from membership went to the Academy or something that might work. If I were a B&WF member, or a Patron or even a (now defunct) TOT member . and was used to having priority for away tickets I might not be happy with anything that took away that priority..so how does Sean deal with that scenario ? I can't really think of any scheme that is 100% fair, so I wish the club good luck with whatever they come up with.. Not quite defunct, my membership keeps getting extended by a further 24hrs so hasn't actually run out yet |
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Post by detox on Jul 11, 2017 13:58:06 GMT 1
It's going to upset many fans I suspect, but I don't see what the club can do really. Are away tickets to be a reward for loyalty (B&WF, Patron, TOT and SC holder), or fans with a history of attending away games (thereby excluding anyone else getting on the list). Should there be a 'pecking' order at all in fact ? Why not just a free for all (although given the online ticketing facility we have this can and will result in much anger and discontent). Should it be a 'mix' perhaps, first 1,000 away tickets for the B&WF etc group, next 1,000 based on how long you've had a SC or maybe how many away games you've been to (if that can be determined)?...and then the rest of the tickets just a free for all ? At least that way everybody gets a go at it and no group is ever totally excluded. I did think maybe a membership scheme could be introduced, just so the club know how many fans are actually interested in going to away games and could then be put on a database. I don't know, out of 20,000 SC holders how many do actually want to go to an away match...half ? The club might be accused of greed doing this, but if they said the cash received from membership went to the Academy or something that might work. If I were a B&WF member, or a Patron or even a (now defunct) TOT member . and was used to having priority for away tickets I might not be happy with anything that took away that priority..so how does Sean deal with that scenario ? I can't really think of any scheme that is 100% fair, so I wish the club good luck with whatever they come up with.. Not quite defunct, my membership keeps getting extended by a further 24hrs so hasn't actually run out yet that's interesting...I am in the TOT scheme but have never checked my status ..maybe it's going to be included in the new scheme somehow ? |
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Post by conman on Jul 11, 2017 14:42:29 GMT 1
Not quite defunct, my membership keeps getting extended by a further 24hrs so hasn't actually run out yet that's interesting...I am in the TOT scheme but have never checked my status ..maybe it's going to be included in the new scheme somehow ? How do you check your status? I got two TOT'S for me and the missus, purely for Newcastle away because we'd got really cheap rail tickets a few weeks earlier. Never used it after that, so it would be interesting to see if it's still going to be of further use. |
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Post by bridgeterrier on Jul 11, 2017 15:42:40 GMT 1
that's interesting...I am in the TOT scheme but have never checked my status ..maybe it's going to be included in the new scheme somehow ? How do you check your status? I got two TOT'S for me and the missus, purely for Newcastle away because we'd got really cheap rail tickets a few weeks earlier. Never used it after that, so it would be interesting to see if it's still going to be of further use. Sign in to your online account and at the top right of the page should be your name and client reference, click your name and on the next page scroll down the page...all the info should be there |
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Post by conman on Jul 11, 2017 15:52:08 GMT 1
How do you check your status? I got two TOT'S for me and the missus, purely for Newcastle away because we'd got really cheap rail tickets a few weeks earlier. Never used it after that, so it would be interesting to see if it's still going to be of further use. Sign in to your online account and at the top right of the page should be your name and client reference, click your name and on the next page scroll down the page...all the info should be there Ah right, cheers for that. |
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Post by wazzahtfc on Jul 14, 2017 7:33:42 GMT 1
The outrage levels will hit the roof today. Rest easy if you're in the Premier Pledge 4000 AND a long standing B&W member  |
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Post by jqhtfc on Jul 14, 2017 7:53:56 GMT 1
The outrage levels will hit the roof today. Rest easy if you're in the Premier Pledge 4000 AND a long standing B&W member Can imagine that will be first priority, little annoying though as I'd miss out on it due to not being BWF even though I've done over 90 grounds watching town but you can't please everybody . |
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